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Bronze Statue
17-Nov-2007, 08:57 PM
What are the major differences between Gracie Jiu Jitsu, Gracie Barra, and Machado Jiu Jitsu, or other systems/groups/families/etc. of jiu jitsu?
forever young
17-Nov-2007, 09:17 PM
What are the major differences between Gracie Jiu Jitsu, Gracie Barra, and Machado Jiu Jitsu, or other systems/groups/families/etc. of jiu jitsu?
?????? none.
what i mean by that is basically its all gracie jiu jitsu however some might argue for example that helios side is more self defence orientated while carlos's side is sport oriented altho these are gross generalizations and all will include some elements of both
if you mean literally well gracie barra is carlos gracie jr/roger gracie/renzo gracie etc, gracie jiujitsu or humitai is rorion/helio/royler/royce etc while the machados are their cousins
callsignfuzzy
17-Nov-2007, 09:44 PM
Eddie Bravo's "10th Planet" system might quallify as a branchoff of traditional BJJ.
The Machados seem to demo more leglocks than "traditional" BJJ, but that could just be personal preference.
Atharel
18-Nov-2007, 12:55 AM
The Machados are a bit more wrestling/sambo influenced due to Rolls.
Eddie Bravo is different enough to qualify as a substyle.
Combat Submission Wrestling is a fusion of BJJ with catch and sambo.
The rest varies much less.
Freeform
18-Nov-2007, 08:01 AM
Combat Submission Wrestling is a fusion of BJJ with catch and sambo.
True, but hasn't it been around longer than Erik's involvement with the Machados? A lot of it is Shooto based.
forever young
18-Nov-2007, 08:40 AM
The Machados are a bit more wrestling/sambo influenced due to Rolls.
Eddie Bravo is different enough to qualify as a substyle.
Combat Submission Wrestling is a fusion of BJJ with catch and sambo.
The rest varies much less.
as you prolly know Eddie bravo pieced his system together from guys already doing bjj and as such hasnt really done anything new or different, its more a case of him piecing together a string of techniques and/or positions/transitions from those places. The exeption as far as im aware is the twister which is a wrestling move which while im pretty sure was first integrated by eddie is not really enough imo to qualify for labeling different, altho 10th planet jiujitsu is in the same way as no gi is :) (though that is done in gi trousers by him ;))
csw is as you pointed out NOT straight bjj and is more imo a blended style of submission wrestling and as such is only a little more 'bjj' than say sambo or catch so im not sure whether this qualifies as a different style of brazilian jiujitsu or more another style of submission wrestling.
just my 02 altho of course i could be talking out of my hat so feel free to ignore/correct me :D
fanatical
18-Nov-2007, 01:54 PM
I wouldn't really call the different "styles" of Jiu-jitsu a substyle to that degree. I doubt we will come to the point where there are so many different groupings of Jiu-jitsu that there will ever develop different styles in such an extent.
The reason being that there are different "styles" because there are different people. And different people have different bodies and mindsets. Jiu-jitsu is very personal and as far as I'm concerned there might be as many styles as there are people.
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