Mc Dojahng Help Please!!!!!!!!!!!

[TigerAnsTKDLove]

Can anyone explain to me what is a Mc Dojahng? i have an idea of what it is but can you please give me advice on how to spot one? at a tournament a month ago I saw a 8 year old very very overweight not to be mean or anything he was a second dan!!!! and he had to do a spin kick and break a board the first time he fell on his a$$ the second time he fell on his a$$ and slid into the table. the judges did not know what to make of it and they almost started laughing recalled my older bro chris and my dad. I was embarrassed for this kid and the master!:confused: :confused: :confused:

[surgingshark]

Yeah...that's a McDojang student right there :-P Who in their right mind would promote a kid like that to second dan? Where's his school? I'm doing a paper about quality vs profit in martial arts schools and I'd love to use that kid's school as a target...I mean example :-P

[TigerAnsTKDLove]

hey surgingshark i put you on my aol buddy list! if you ever wanna talk to me my aol e-mail/i.m. is love4taekwondo@aol.com

[47Ronin]

Mcdojangs/Mcdojos are typical schools that sell out their art for money and profit. They give their kids big egos with little strength or techniques. It's one thing if your place is over priced but another if you training is crap too :p

P.s.- Left one a while back and found this article on it too-
(Mcdojang/Liar school. juko kai)-http://www.furyu.com/archives/issue9/realor.html

:)

[Chris.B]

Originally posted by surgingshark
Yeah...that's a McDojang student right there :-P Who in their right mind would promote a kid like that to second dan? Where's his school? I'm doing a paper about quality vs profit in martial arts schools and I'd love to use that kid's school as a target...I mean example :-P

To second DAN...how did he EVEN get to FIRST Dan. I don't care how good you are no 8 year old should be a second dan.

[TheMachine]

Originally posted by Chris.Bee
To second DAN...how did he EVEN get to FIRST Dan. I don't care how good you are no 8 year old should be a second dan. --

I honestly believe that before getting a black belt, a person should be of a certain age and a certain maturity level. Of course skill is also important.

I've trained in several schools and in about 5 arts, I've also been fooled by mcdojos, am just glad that I got out as soon as i found out they were. It really saddens me to see these people ruining an art for money

[ns_oni]

I remember when i was very young i did taekwondo, and we had to do some kind of jump over a bin, anyway there was a heavyweight high level TKD guy who missed, knocked over the bin and had to clean it up. You had to be there :p

[Poop-Loops]

Happens to everybody. We get people (me included) falling over when doing an axe kick. Sometimes you just mess up. But it shouldn't happen 2 or 3 times in a row. Especially not to a black belt.

PL

[Chris.B]

Originally posted by Poop-Loops
Happens to everybody. We get people (me included) falling over when doing an axe kick. Sometimes you just mess up. But it shouldn't happen 2 or 3 times in a row. Especially not to a black belt.

PL

I know what you mean, well it's OK for a black belt to mess up a kick a couple times depending on the kick. But I spin kick can be done by an orange belt. Not to foget saying this was at a COMPITTION were people train there ars off to show that you deserve this second dan. I hate those kids that are full of them selves and because there second dan they can beat on anyone with ease that has a lower belt. Kids like that discrase the black belt martial artists everywere.

[Poop-Loops]

Originally posted by Chris.Bee
But I spin kick can be done by an orange belt.

I can't do a spin kick. :(

PL

[Chris.B]

Originally posted by Poop-Loops
I can't do a spin kick. :(

PL
Well I was exagerating a bit...but I was trying to make a point that a kick like that should be quite simple for a level 2 black belt. I didn't mean to anything by it to anyone else.

[abby]

Originally posted by Chris.Bee
Kids like that discrase the black belt martial artists everywere.

I don't think it's the kid's fault. It's the adults who teach them. Their teachers should be the disgraces!

[shipto]

well said who was it who spoke the words there is no bad students only bad teachers?

[Chris.B]

Then I restate my statement, Teachers who give the belts and ranks to a martial artist of that skill and age a second dan...are disgraces.

[juramentado]

other MA styles have separate ranking i.e belt color for kids. That way you don't hand out black belts to kids yet still give them some motivation by promoting them.

[Serpico]

I feel bad for the kid. I agree that he really shouldn't be a 2nd Dan at that age. However, in the Martial Arts you should always be measuring yourself against yourself, not yourself against everyone else. If he has really come that far in his own personal training maybe he should be a black belt. Not because he can meet the standards of a black belt, but because he earned a black belt. Did anyone here stop to think that it is quite possible that this child may have a medical condition, that makes him overweight. Or worse yet, maybe he even has a fatal condition and may die soon. So his instructor has pushed him through the ranks, even though it may make his school look bad, to help this kid feel good about himself. Everyone is always ready to judge, but no one wants to get the facts.

[Poop-Loops]

Then he shouldn't of gone to the tourney, if he knew he sucked so badly. I mean, he had to of known. Unless he didn't even train for it, which wouldn't really surprise me.

PL

[Chris.B]

Originally posted by Poop-Loops
Then he shouldn't of gone to the tourney, if he knew he sucked so badly. I mean, he had to of known. Unless he didn't even train for it, which wouldn't really surprise me.

PL

I agree with that, someone said it's good to keep the spirits up by giving them belts. Fine keep it that way, but if your going to do that don't embaresse the kid by taking him to a tutorment if you know he's under qulified.

[Os3y3ris]

No one who cant represent a belt should be allowed to wear it. As far as pure TKD is concerned, Im pretty good. At fighting Im better than most of them. I dont need some fool who outranks me by 3 or four ranks running around reflecting badly on my skills. If everyone does there part, every single person wont have to knock people out to gain respect. I jiujitsu blackbelts dont have to show anything. You KNOW what theyre capable of. In TKD, everyone assumes you suck because the last 5 blackbelts theyve seen sucked.

[surgingshark]

I jiujitsu blackbelts dont have to show anything. You KNOW what theyre capable of. In TKD, everyone assumes you suck because the last 5 blackbelts theyve seen sucked.

*coughplugcough*

[Os3y3ris]

No, its the truth. A jiujitsu black belt has about 10 years of experience compared to the two that most TKD black belts have. Plus there are no real standards in TKD, with people being promoted basically on forms. Schools vary, but in the same federation there should be SOME consistency. I know this because my secondary (due to my starting jiujitsu) style is TKD. I can beat most black belts IN WTF SPARRING up until 3rd or fourth degree. In a fight, lets make that 5th in 6th degree. There are no standards. It shouldnt take a master to defeat me. Youve seen my videos, so you know Im not that great. I wasnt using much TKD, but that should tell you that Im not the best at thinking on my feet. What people fail to realize is that in most arts the REAL black belt is given around 3rd degree. This is at a much more reasonable 6 years of experience. An honest instructer will tell you this. The ranks have been watered down for your entertainment. If you want a source, ask Joe Corley.

[PsiCop]

Originally posted by Os3y3ris
No, its the truth. A jiujitsu black belt has about 10 years of experience compared to the two that most TKD black belts have. Plus there are no real standards in TKD


Okay, what don't you get... WE AREN'T TAE KWON DO. We practice Tang Soo Do and that's a completely different style. Also, calling us TKD could be considered offensive because of the TKD McDojo stereotype. Please don't make us go Tang Soo Do on you. :woo: ....... :D

[Os3y3ris]

Did you read the first post?

[surgingshark]

First post says nothing about Tang Soo Do, mate.

That said...

*starts looking for fire extinguisher*

[surgingshark]

Saying that I'm a TaeKwonDoist isn't using it as an example...it's Saying that I'm a TaeKwonDoist.

You know what? I'm going off this thread now. I already know what's about to go down, and I do not wish to be a part of it...

*gives up looking for fire extinguisher*

[Os3y3ris]

LOL

[Thokk]

Originally posted by TheMachine
--

I honestly believe that before getting a black belt, a person should be of a certain age and a certain maturity level. Of course skill is also important.


I dont know about a minimum age because everyone is different. My sifu for example started training with his father when he was 2. He was a black sash by 11 and that 11 yr. old could kick the crap out of all of his father's students and assistants. He was teaching by 13. so in general, yes it is true that most young kids don't deserve the black sashes they recieve, but there are exceptions.

[Chris.B]

Yes my friend recived his black belt at 12 years of age and is now second dan at the age of 14. He has taken down a ton of people, beaten down 18 year old black belts and won many compitions with black belts a lot older then him. I don't have anything againts young kids getting black belts, I just have something againts kids who get black belts that don't go to the standards of the belt.

[Os3y3ris]

I dont think that the standards of a martial arts belt have anything to do with competition and sparring.

[Os3y3ris]

Check your PMs.

[Thokk]

Right, but dosnt a person's skill in a martial art reflect in their sparing ability. What good are a person's skills if they can't put them into practise in a more realistic situation?

[Poop-Loops]

What do you mean by "skill in a martial art"?

PL

[Thokk]

well if you say, "wow that guy's good at tkd," to me that means his techniques are good, he's fast good balance etc. The only other thing needed for sparing is the mindset, the confidence and that develops with time and experience.

[Chris.B]

I agree if you can't do correctly do moves in training, you will DIE under a real fight. Not only do you have to do the move that you did in training you have to have the correct timing. Not to mension keep on your gaurd, and you can't be worried about not completing your move correctly.

[Protein]

A BB should be given to someone who embodies his art, or near to it, not someone who know how to fight and do the forms well, but lacks the responsibility and wisedom. For me, a BB knows how to fight, knows himself, always ready to improve, can teach other people, and is RESPONSIBLE. That's why no one under 18 should get a BB. Or even older ppl(including me) should not be promoted, until they are ready to represent their art very well.