UFC 77 Hostile Territory

[duderanch182]

I know plenty of people are interested but as no one has posted about this I will, here are the fights listed for the night.

Rich Franklin Vs. Anderson Silva
Tim Sylvia Vs. Brandon Vera
Alvin Robinson Vs. Jorge Gurgel
Eric Schafer Vs. Stephan Bonnar
Alan Belcher Vs. Kalib Starnes

The below fight might not be aired

Jason MacDonald Vs. Yushin Okami - really disppointed about this not be aired
Demian Maia Vs. Ryan Jensen
Josh Burkman Vs. Forrest Petz
Matt Grice Vs. Jason Black

Here are my thoughts on the fights with fighters that I know

Okami/mcdonald
Okami with his strength will destroy Macdonald. Macdonald is a good fighter but he struggled with someone strong like Franklin and will be very similar imo.

Schafer/Bonnar
Bonnar is fairly well rounded and should win, Schafer is good at Jujitsu but seemed very one dimensional against Bisping and only wanted to take him down with no stand up game. If Schafer has improved his stand up game then I reckon he will have a stronger chance.

Robinson/Gurgel
I don't know too much about Robinson but I wouldn't be surprised if this fight was to be used as a stepping stone for Gurgel. I think Gurgel is a pretty good fighter and the UFC want to get him a few wins before facing same tough opponents.

Sylvia/Vera
I want Vera to win as I like his style and attitude. It is hard to say as they can both knock people out. Sylvia is trying to lose weight so that Vera does not have a speed advantage. I beleive that Vera will do it with good speed and he is meant to be pretty good on the ground from what I hear.

Franklin/Silva
Franklin is one of my favourite fighters but Silva is a favourite of mine know as well due to his thaiboxing and makes fights exciting even though they are short. It is tough to say who will win, if Franklin has practised his clinch is chances will increase a lot. I saw that in training Silva likes to make sure that all techniques he throw labd abd this means Franklin better make sure he is a hard to target to hit as Silva can throw some nasty blows. I beleive Franklin will try to take it to the ground before the end of the first round (if the fight lasts that long) and near the beginning of the second. Who ever wins or loses I will be happy and sad but I beleive Silva will win but I like the thouht of Franklin winning and having a third and final match between the 2.

So what is everyones oppinion then?

[callsignfuzzy]

I've only really got an oppinion on the two big matches:

Vera-Sylvia: Vera's got KO power, but he's kind of a small heavyweight. Big Tim's got a reach advantage. I can't say for sure that Sylvia will win the standup, but I think he's got a better chance. Vera's supposed to be excellent on the ground, but I haven't seen any strong takedowns out of him, so I don't think he'll be able to get the fight to the ground if he was being punished in the standup. I'd actually prefer to see Vera win, but what I'm looking at tells me the better odds are with Sylvia.

Sylvia, KO, R2

Silva-Franklin: I like Rich. I really do. But Silva's a better striker at a distance and in the clinch, and is very good at fighting off of his back. Franklin's only advantage seems to be in takedowns, and maybe a top game. He's also proven he can go the distance, while Silva hasn't... or hasn't NEEDED to. Franklin's a smart guy, and in great shape. It's possible he could pull a Couture and keep the fight exactly in that one area where Silva's not that good: from a dominant top possition. However, I've never seen anyone take such a lopsided beating and win a rematch.

Silva, TKO, R4

[doc97]

I've only really got an oppinion on the two big matches:

Vera-Sylvia: Vera's got KO power, but he's kind of a small heavyweight. Big Tim's got a reach advantage. I can't say for sure that Sylvia will win the standup, but I think he's got a better chance. Vera's supposed to be excellent on the ground, but I haven't seen any strong takedowns out of him, so I don't think he'll be able to get the fight to the ground if he was being punished in the standup. I'd actually prefer to see Vera win, but what I'm looking at tells me the better odds are with Sylvia.

Sylvia, KO, R2

Agree, I would like Vera to win, but I favor Sylvia

Silva-Franklin: I like Rich. I really do. But Silva's a better striker at a distance and in the clinch, and is very good at fighting off of his back. Franklin's only advantage seems to be in takedowns, and maybe a top game. He's also proven he can go the distance, while Silva hasn't... or hasn't NEEDED to. Franklin's a smart guy, and in great shape. It's possible he could pull a Couture and keep the fight exactly in that one area where Silva's not that good: from a dominant top possition. However, I've never seen anyone take such a lopsided beating and win a rematch.

Silva, TKO, R4


I agree also, I really want Franklin to win, but Silva striking is just too good, but I give him TKO in R2 or 3

[Mushroom]

My prediction.
Anderson Silva to win - TKO strikes (round 3 or 4)

My girlfriend's prediction:
Rich Franklin to win - "because he's gorgeous and hunky, Anderson is skinny".

Women, go figure. :confused:

[wazzabi]

My prediction.
Anderson Silva to win - TKO strikes (round 3 or 4)

My girlfriend's prediction:
Rich Franklin to win - "because he's gorgeous and hunky, Anderson is skinny".

Women, go figure. :confused:

HAHAHAHAHAHA

[Sever]

And the results are...

Anderson Silva def. Rich Franklin by TKO (Strikes) at 1:07, R2
Tim Sylvia def. Brandon Vera by Unanimous Decision, R3
Alvin Robinson def. Jorge Gurgel by Unanimous Decision, R3
Stephan Bonnar def. Eric Schafer by TKO (Strikes) at 2:47, R2
Alan Belcher def. Kalib Starnes by TKO (Doctor Stoppage) at 1:39, R2
Yushin Okami def. Jason MacDonald by Unanimous Decision, R3
Demian Maia def. Ryan Jensen by Submission (Rear Naked Choke) at 2:40, R1
Josh Burkman def. Forrest Petz by Split Decision, R3
Matt Grice def. Jason Black by Split Decision, R3

No major surprises there, really. I was expecting Silva to drop Franklin again, but for Franklin to give a better account of himself than last time, which he did and, much as I like Vera, I thought Sylvia would just be too big and range-y for him, grinding out a dull decision, though I was kinda hoping Vera would've been able to chop him down. Maybe the ring rust was a factor

If people can use the spoiler tags until tomorrow morning, that'd be great since the event doesn't air in the UK until tonight

[callsignfuzzy]

I was rooting for Franklin, despite the fact I didn't think he'd win. I saw opportunities FOR a win, but after the punch at the end of R1 I knew it was over. As for Silva, I've never seen a guy win cleanly and look like he regreted it so much. Almost like he felt bad for winning. Great show of class by both guys, though.

[FasterStronger]

It's aired in the U.K. now. Anderson Silva dominated Rich again, he seems to be in a leage of his own, in the middle weights. Tim Silvia gave us a boring fight, where he showed 0 skill and just used his size to stop Verra doing anything, he probally could of finished it with strikes but hes so lazy hed rather stand still for 15 minutes. I hope they give him Kongo like he wanted, so he can beat him to death (hopefully).

[Yohan]

SPOILER

Nice. Try the spoiler tag next time big boy.

[FasterStronger]

Nice. Try the spoiler tag next time big boy.


It just finished like I said in my post. Its been shown everywhere it will be shown.

[Yohan]

It just finished like I said in my post. Its been shown everywhere it will be shown.

LoL whoops my bad dude.

[KempoFist]

Poor Tim Sylvia....all he wants is to be loved. I don't blame him at all for that boring fight. He tried his best to push the pace, but Vera's gameplan seemed to entail trying to hug him to death. I have never seen a fighter try to cling onto his opponent to such a degree! Jeez, I was hoping Tim was gonna knock him out cold for that.

Gurgel....he tried...man that whole fight was an amazing display of Jiu-Jitsu in the cage

I can't bring myself to care about Stephan Bonnar....I have always hated him and Forrest just because everyone hails that sloppy slugfest of a fight they had as apparently a shining moment in MMA history.

Aaron Belcher has found a new fan in me. He lit up Starnes with some beautiful kicks and elbows. Beautiful Muay Thai. Props to Starnes for displaying some skills of his own, and for fighting with such a gash on his head! ouch :eek:

Anderson Silva...man not even sure what to say. He is a freaking God amongst us mortals. AMAZING.

PS: Anderson did the Rashad dance!!! +10 points!

[Gufbal1981]

PS: Anderson did the Rashad dance!!! +10 points!


LOL! I noticed that too. I loved the beautiful spinning back kick and the spinning backfist that Silva did to Franklin.

[nicolethai1]

I agree with what everyone's saying.

Silva just seems to get better and better, it's a delight to watch someone with such well rounded skills, plus boundless energy and heart.

I don't remember seeing Alan Belcher before but I was really impressed by his Muay Thai. It's so refreshing to see something new added into the mix!

Also it was great to see all the fighters showing a lot of class and mutual respect.

[duderanch182]

Well the show was alright nothing amazing imo.

Belcher/starnes
Belcher is a pretty good stand up fighter but starnes stand up game is ok and his take downs where useless.

Robinson/Gurgel
Gurgel is great at Jujitsu but he threw hardly any punches when on top in the first round which was silly. Robinson knows how to play the mma games while gurgel needs to learn a few things.

Bonner/Schafer
I knew Bonner would win, schafer is too one dimensional and is not able to handle the strikes too well

Vera/Sylvia
Borefest, sylvia played it safe and kept him by the cage for most of the fight. When they were not against the cage I couldn't understand why vera was hardly throwing any stikes until after with a possible broken hand. Also Vera's footwork was not great as he could have avoided getting stuck on the cage on a few occasions.

Franklin/Silva
Franklin is a hell of a fighter and can beat pretty much all middleweights out there but sadly Silva is in a league of his own. Silva's striking is just amazing probably the best in all of mma at the moment. I can't think of anyone that will beat Silva, maybe if Machida moved to the the middlewieght then he might have a chance. Franklin could move to the light heavyweight division and see how that goes. Silva is going to dominate the middleweight division for a few years like chuck did.

[RentoKill]

I was just going to say i have no seen this then i hit a non-spoiler post.

I'll watch it then come back to this thread.

[Davey Bones]

Undercards were good fights, not much to say, tbh.

The Sylvia/Verra fight was so underwhelming I don't know where to begin. And I haven't decided whose fault it is. Tim came across as a fat schlub whose sole strategy seemed to be to squash Vera with the cage and his substantial gut, while Vera needs his head examined. What was up with the commentary at the end? "I'm still here bitches"?!? Yeah, whatever. Although from what I heard Vera and Irvin weren't agreeing on a strategy ;)

*sigh* Damn, Franklin lost again. I like him. I really do. Class, brains, and a great fighter. But Silva owned him. Again. My buds and I were actually surprised there was even a round two; Franklin got rocked right at the end of round one. On the plus side, Silva has a lot of class and may very well take the place of Couture as the "humble champion".

[callsignfuzzy]

I think it was a night of could-have-beens.

If Starnes had spent some time on wrestling (takedowns & top control), he might have stood a chance with his much-improved standup. Props to Belcher, he's got a versatility on the feet that's fun to watch.

If Gurgel had thrown some ground strikes in R1, at the very least he could have softened Robinson up. Instead he basically played a sport JJ game, and tried to "score points" by taking mount instead of doing what Robinson did and throw punches at every opportunity on the ground.

If Schafer... well, he probably did all he could to finish that choke. Props to Bonnar for his sub defense, but it was close there for a bit.

If Vera hadn't hurt his hand, we might have seen a better standup fight. But I don't really think so, he scored a bit with kicks but seemed content to stay in the clinch. Maybe if he'd tried to take the fight to the ground, or done something once it got there, we wouldn't be complaining about the fight so much. As one guy on Sherdog said (paraphrasing), "I didn't count on the fact that neither man showed up to fight".

Rich... what can I say. Like Domino, I really like the guy. I don't like to see him get destroyed. You know, he was tagging Silva when they were in the center of the Octagon. Maybe things would have gone differently if he'd tried to stay in the center, maybe counterpunched a bit. The second the fight ended up against the cage, it was only a matter of time. Silva is downright frightening on the feet. A little like seeing a cheatah in slow motion. It's elegant, beautiful, but you know it's going to end very badly for his victim.

On another note, what's up with all the elbows thrown that night? Both Belcher and the :58 seconds worth of action in the Sylvia-Vera fight had guys throwin' 'bows on the feet. That was awesome. Hope it starts a trend.

[slacker6]

Silva is a man amongst boys right now. He is so polished and efficient as a fighter, very little wasted energy and every strike counts. No wasted effort with him.

It's really a beautiful thing to watch him, none of this garbage of just punching for the sake of it and flailing away like most of these guys. He is definitely the exception rather than the rule.

[Scarlet Mist]

Tim Sylvia needs to lose his next 4 fights so he can retire from MMA, and then I will never have to watch him push some dude up against the cage for 15 minutes. In the middle of the bout when Vera tried to unload some big kicks on him he just started clinching. What the hell, man? If I wanted to see 2 dudes hugging for 15 minutes I would .. well, I don't know what I'd do, but I cerntainly woudln't go watch the UFC.

Also, Anderson Silva is my hero. Way to lay down that ass whuppin'. He even landed a jumping back kick. Amazing! That fight is one for the ages. Hell yeah, hostile territory. Any place with 5 feet of Anderson Silva is hostile territory.

[Scarlet Mist]

Silva is a man amongst boys right now. He is so polished and efficient as a fighter, very little wasted energy and every strike counts. No wasted effort with him.

It's really a beautiful thing to watch him, none of this garbage of just punching for the sake of it and flailing away like most of these guys. He is definitely the exception rather than the rule.

Are you kidding? The only person less entertaining than Sylvia is Sean Sherk (and at least he's on roids, so I don't have to watch him fight for 25 minutes for a while).

[fire cobra]

Anderson Silva not Tim Sylvia Scarlet :)

[slacker6]

Are you kidding? The only person less entertaining than Sylvia is Sean Sherk (and at least he's on roids, so I don't have to watch him fight for 25 minutes for a while).

Read my post...I said SILVA, not SYLVIA.

SYLVIA is absolute garbage and waste of time to watch.

[Scarlet Mist]

Read my post...I said SILVA, not SYLVIA.

SYLVIA is absolute garbage and waste of time to watch.

Oh, sorry. My bad. Anything that sounds like Sylvia makes me want to hit something.

[slipthejab]

Just watched the fast and efficient destruction of Rich Franklin.

Jeez.

Silva was clean, precise and fearless. Franklin's camp really needs to get him up to speed on staying out of that clinch. Pretty much every time Silva put it on... Franklin was at a loss for what to do. So not really all that unexpected that Silva put him down. The shot at the end of round one that put Franklin on the canvas was short and clean. Bang on.

I was surprised it seems like Franklin threw more kicks than Silva did. :eek:

[Ular Sawa]

SYLVIA is absolute garbage and waste of time to watch.

Oh I don't know, I immensely enjoyed Randy giving Big Tim a hell of a beating in Columbus back in March. The look on Silvia's face at the moment Randy first connected with his head was priceless. I think that would have made a great still photograph.

[slacker6]

Oh I don't know, I immensely enjoyed Randy giving Big Tim a hell of a beating in Columbus back in March. The look on Silvia's face at the moment Randy first connected with his head was priceless. I think that would have made a great still photograph.

That's about the only enjoyable experience I've had watching Tim Silvia:)

[Davey Bones]

Tim Sylvia needs to lose his next 4 fights so he can retire from MMA, and then I will never have to watch him push some dude up against the cage for 15 minutes. In the middle of the bout when Vera tried to unload some big kicks on him he just started clinching. What the hell, man? If I wanted to see 2 dudes hugging for 15 minutes I would .. well, I don't know what I'd do, but I cerntainly woudln't go watch the UFC.

uhm, ewww. Allow me to repeat...

EWWW.

[KenpoDavid]

Tim Sylvia needs to lose his next 4 fights so he can retire from MMA, and then I will never have to watch him push some dude up against the cage for 15 minutes. In the middle of the bout when Vera tried to unload some big kicks on him he just started clinching. What the hell, man? If I wanted to see 2 dudes hugging for 15 minutes I would .. well, I don't know what I'd do, but I cerntainly woudln't go watch the UFC.

Heavyweight boxing maybe? or a lemonparty?

[Yohan]

I really like Sylvia.

That's right, SYLVIA.

I think he's an excellent fighter with a good deal of talent and heart. I think Couture beat him because he's a fricking cyborg with super special powers. Sylvia will have that belt again unless Couture or Fedor gets in his way. I don't think there's another UFC fighter with the mustard to contend with Sylvia.

Plus, Tim is just a downright nice, decent guy from all of his fights. He talks soft and trains hard.

[Gufbal1981]

I really like Sylvia.

That's right, SYLVIA.

I think he's an excellent fighter with a good deal of talent and heart. I think Couture beat him because he's a fricking cyborg with super special powers. Sylvia will have that belt again unless Couture or Fedor gets in his way. I don't think there's another UFC fighter with the mustard to contend with Sylvia.

Plus, Tim is just a downright nice, decent guy from all of his fights. He talks soft and trains hard.

Fedor signed with a different organization and Randy left the UFC so he can go fight Fedor. I think Big Nog and Sylvia are fighting for the belt...I think that could be an exciting fight.

[Patrick_baji]

I loved watching the destruction of franklin at silva's hands and in my opinion if there were any middleweights to give him a good go I'd say Matt Lindland or Cung Le.

[Davey Bones]

I loved watching the destruction of franklin at silva's hands and in my opinion if there were any middleweights to give him a good go I'd say Matt Lindland or Cung Le.

Cung Le? Ahhh, no. He's too untested on the ground.

[wazzabi]

I loved watching the destruction of franklin at silva's hands and in my opinion if there were any middleweights to give him a good go I'd say Matt Lindland or Cung Le.

you forgot to mention dan henderson, denis kang, or paulo filho.

[Yohan]

Fedor signed with a different organization and Randy left the UFC so he can go fight Fedor. I think Big Nog and Sylvia are fighting for the belt...I think that could be an exciting fight.

Big Nog has a chance, but honestly, I think Tim will punch him in the eye, knee him in the chin, and roll over on top of him.

Go Big Tim!!

[Yohan]

you forgot to mention dan henderson, denis kang, or paulo filho.

Yep, Hendo should drop and give Silva a go. I love Dan Henderson. I think he's a great fighter, but after his bout with Rampage, I think he needs to step up his conditioning. He's not a young guy. That's for sure.

[sliver]

Yep, Hendo should drop and give Silva a go. I love Dan Henderson. I think he's a great fighter, but after his bout with Rampage, I think he needs to step up his conditioning. He's not a young guy. That's for sure.


Ditto this on both points. Dan's starting to get into the "borrowed time" teritory with his fighting career. He may be able to go untill his mid fourties like his teamate Randy Coture, but if he is, I agree his best bet is to drop down to the middle weights and work his endurance like no one has ever done before. I for one would definetly pay to see a silva/henderson fight.

[Patrick_baji]

Cung Le? Ahhh, no. He's too untested on the ground.

well it's not like Silva really takes the fights to the ground anyway

[Davey Bones]

I'd prefer to see a more well-rounded fighter up against Sylva. I think that's what it's going to take to get that belt away from him.

[slipthejab]

Domino... who did you have in mind?
I'm curious because I really didn't expect Slyva to get to where he's at. I'm not sure why... but I guess I figured he'd get taken down and submitted at some point.

I don't see Cung Le as even coming close to the same league as Sylva... he wouldn't be able to hang in the striking department IMO.

[Davey Bones]

I'm not sure, TBH. The problem is that many of these guys have really sloppy clinch work, at least compared to Sylva. Totally textbook. Even his bob and weave is just unbelievable. I'm not sure that many guys in the UFC currently would even be ready for him...

I've gone through the UFC Middleweight fighter list and no one jumped out at me screaming "I'll beat him". As a matter of fact, I saw a lot of older names who wouldn't be even remotely competitive. I think some of the newer guys could be interesting challenges for him, but they need more time to get better IMO.

[KempoFist]

Cung Le's striking is clean and precise. They both use somewhat unorthodox for MMA style strikes, and they both have no fear of engaging in a trade. I'd have to see him and Anderson go at it before I'd determine who'd win the standup. Though there's no doubt in my mind Anderson would demolish Cung as soon as it hit the floor.

[callsignfuzzy]

I think Hendo's got the power and wrestling to be a threat, but he likes to stand and brawl too much; Silva would clinch & destroy him. Hughes, if he decided to step up, could probably control him on the ground, but would probably get KO'd or take a lot of damage getting there. A striker with a good chin, good reach, and who could stay out of the clinch would be a threat, I think, as Franklin was at least landing some shots before getting mauled in the clinch and against the cage. But you're right, I don't see anyone under UFC contract at MW who could get me to bet against Silva.

[Davey Bones]

Cung Le's striking is clean and precise. They both use somewhat unorthodox for MMA style strikes, and they both have no fear of engaging in a trade. I'd have to see him and Anderson go at it before I'd determine who'd win the standup. Though there's no doubt in my mind Anderson would demolish Cung as soon as it hit the floor.

that's also a dream fight... last time I checked, Cung hadn't singed with the UFC, so....

[Patrick_baji]

Cung Le's striking is clean and precise. They both use somewhat unorthodox for MMA style strikes, and they both have no fear of engaging in a trade. I'd have to see him and Anderson go at it before I'd determine who'd win the standup. Though there's no doubt in my mind Anderson would demolish Cung as soon as it hit the floor.

IF it hit the floor :P

[Davey Bones]

Uh, Sylva's not exactly a slouch in the stand up arena, y'know. He'd give Cung a run for the money, IMO, and that's where my concern is. We don't know what Cung Le can do on the ground, while we know Sylva's a beast.

[Patrick_baji]

ahm spell it Silva please so ppl dont mix them up with Sylvia.....

anyhow of course he'd give a cung a run for his money. did i say he wouldn't :S?

either way it'd be a good match to watch

[Davey Bones]

I don't know, since Cung hasn't been tested on the ground. It could be the best match in profighting or it could be a complete charlie foxtrot as Cung gets taken down and mauled by Silva's BJJ.

I'm not going to put my money on some guys who's known for KOs and a limited ruleset which discourages clinching and has NO allowances for groundwork. PERIOD. If you don't agree with me, fine, whatever.

[Patrick_baji]

I don't know, since Cung hasn't been tested on the ground. It could be the best match in profighting or it could be a complete charlie foxtrot as Cung gets taken down and mauled by Silva's BJJ.

I'm not going to put my money on some guys who's known for KOs and a limited ruleset which discourages clinching and has NO allowances for groundwork. PERIOD. If you don't agree with me, fine, whatever.

cung has fought in 4 MMA matches and is undefeated.

[Sever]

cung has fought in 4 MMA matches and is undefeated.Domino is, however, correct. His ground game's completely untested - the only person he's fought that's known to be even a little tricky on the ground (Fryklund) inexplicably decided to try and stand with Le for the whole fight
We've seen Silva on the ground; he's subbed BJJ blackbelts, swept ADCC veterans, KO'd people from his guard and so on. In short; we know Silva's good on the ground, we don't know how good Le is there. I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that since Silva's had a hell of a lot more training and practise there, Silva's ground game's lightyears ahead of Le's at this point in time

[Davey Bones]

cung has fought in 4 MMA matches and is undefeated.

What Sever said. Untested, and probably not ready for someone who can eat BJJ blackbelts and ADCC champs for breakfast then beat up Thai boxers for lunch, especially when Cung Le himself has acknowledged that his groundgame needs hella work (Inside Kung Fu, a spring issue, IIRC. He was the cover boy).

And once again, allow me to remind you that Cung doesn't play in the octagon, nor is there any indication he'll be signing soon, so please, can we perhaps discuss opponents who might actually step in the ring and fight Silva?!? I'm getting really bored with your teenage manchrush. Stop following me around MAP nutriding Cung Le before I get a goddamn restraining order.

[Patrick_baji]

<<Personal Attack removed>>

[Davey Bones]

And you obviously have no clue what you're talking about, so just hit Alt + F4 while the adults continue to think about who in the UFC could take on Anderson and win.

[Sever]

The only person that's signed under Zuffa that I can see beating Silva right now is Paulo Filho who's in the WEC, but I have doubts of that fight happening due to A) the two of them training together at Black House and B) Filho will probably be disliked very strongly by the US crowd since he's not especially exciting (many of his fights are lay n' pray heavy). I'd like to see him fight Henderson, but Hendo still doesn't want to drop back down
Interestingly, the UFC has got Ryo Chonan (the guy who leg-scissor-heel-hooked Silva at Shockwave 2004), but he's fighting at 170 for the time being. That could be a big-money rematch if they handled it right, but it'd involved Chonan moving back up and making some waves at 185

[KempoFist]

And you obviously have no clue what you're talking about, so just hit Alt + F4 while the adults continue to think about who in the UFC could take on Anderson and win.

I just hit Alt F4...all it did was open my system sound preferences.

[callsignfuzzy]

Interestingly, the UFC has got Ryo Chonan (the guy who leg-scissor-heel-hooked Silva at Shockwave 2004), but he's fighting at 170 for the time being. That could be a big-money rematch if they handled it right, but it'd involved Chonan moving back up and making some waves at 185

Also on the UFC building up a fight based on events that happened outside the UFC. So far, only the Herring-man-kiss-KO has done this. I don't even feel like they promoted Rampage & Chuck's first fight all that well building up to their rematch.

[Patrick_baji]

And you obviously have no clue what you're talking about, so just hit Alt + F4 while the adults continue to think about who in the UFC could take on Anderson and win.

oh yeah cool, just coz I'm half your age means I don't know anything. yeah brilliant logic there.

[Sever]

oh yeah cool, just coz I'm half your age means I don't know anything. yeah brilliant logic there.Final warning: drop the attitude

[shift]

Honestly there is no one in UFC MW list that I think can beat Silva.

Silva has amazingly accurate and brutal strikes, he's a true Muay Thai fighter not a MMA fighter who learned Muay thai or a grappler who learned Muay thai. This dude is the real deal.

I can only think of a few people in WEC who could take him on and only one person in strtike force (Cung Le).

Here are Cung Le's disadvantages
1. Never been tested on the ground
2. Keeps his hands low
3. A bit too fancy with his striking
4. Never really been tested in general

With that said, his strengths are ironic
1. Neutralizes and reverses take downs very well
2. Moves around the ring instead of standing still like a lot of mma fighters
3. Though fancy with his strikes he's amazingly accurate and devastating like Silva
4. He's Undefeated in more than one style of fighting, which does count for something

Cung Le's ground game may have never been tested, but I've never see Cung Le not take preparation for a fight seriously. Notice he's never done a scissor kick take down in his mma matches...something that had become very instinctive for him in sanshou.

With that said, Cung isn't know for his clinch and Silva's Clinch is as infamous as Cung's throws. Speaking of throws...Could that be Cung's secret weapon against Silva's Clinch?

Hmmm....we'll just have to find out and see one day won't we?

If I had to bet, I'd bet on Silva though...his game is all A's
I don't think SIlva has met a good enough grapller/wrestler...cung definately isn't that person.

I heard Cung was suppose to fight Frank Shamrock but Shamrock backed out and complained that Cung isn't ready for him yet. Sounds fishy to me.

[wazzabi]

I heard Cung was suppose to fight Frank Shamrock but Shamrock backed out and complained that Cung isn't ready for him yet. Sounds fishy to me.

where did you hear this? Cung Le has to fight better competition to be considered a serious threat. if the fight did happen, Shamrock would be the first notable fighter he's fought in his entire fighting carreer, let alone MMA. it seems like this guy made his career ducking the best fighters, and is undefeated against cans. he fought in K-1 USA, but never flew over to Japan, probably because he didn't want to lose to the best of the world.

[slipthejab]

I think he'd have been devoured in K-1 frankly. Absolutely devoured.

[Sweeter_Science]

Silva rocks my socks :cool: