Stupid illegal weapons rules [Archive]

nzric

04-Dec-2003, 11:25 PM

I practice bagua and lately some of my fellow students have been studying the bagua deer horn knives. These weapons are illegal in some states in Australia but not in others - the problem being that since the handle has a covered guard (which is a blade), it is classed as a 'push knife' (same league as brass knuckles, I think).

I was Christmas shopping with my partner yesterday and we were in a homewares store. I came across something called a 'herb cutter', which was a wooded handle with a covered guard, the guard being two (closed) curved blades over the knuckles. My partner thought it was funny that I was so angry about the knife - I told her that herb cutter was obviously illegal, technically, and since it fit close to the hand, it would be much easier to conceal than a couple of 1 1/2 foot long spiked deerhorn knives.

Any more stories of this kind of double standard?

Greg-VT

05-Dec-2003, 12:59 AM

#1 Stutta

05-Dec-2003, 01:59 AM

Kinjiro Tsukasa

05-Dec-2003, 02:08 AM

A bo is illegal? (If it is, I'm breaking the law every time I go to my class). That doesn't make much sense -- you could carry around a broom with a detachable handle; the broom would be legal, but remove the handle -- instant bo.

xplasma

05-Dec-2003, 03:21 AM

Bo isn't illegal in the States. Neither is a Jo or Cane???? I guess old people are law breakers. Chains, sorry no. Weight chains are illegal to carry in some states.

Carrying Knifes over 6" blade requires a weapon permit, to carry on you. No law about owning.

Throwing Stars, Butterfly Knives, Switch Blades, Sword Canes, and nunchaku are illegal to own in NY, MA, and CA. Elsewhere its just illegal to carry.

xplasma

05-Dec-2003, 03:22 AM

Originally posted by Ving Tsun
Hmm, not exactly double standards....

But I just got a letter from Customs saying they have seized two FOAM nunchaku that I had ordered from the UK.

Nunchaku are illegal here. Even the foam versions it seems... Which I dont like :angry:

I know nunchaku are illegal in New York because they with a popular gang weapon. So they outlawed them. With the foam ones, you can just remove the foam and you have real nunchaku to then were illegal too.

Disciple

05-Dec-2003, 03:38 AM

He was saying that list were LEGAL weapons in the USA.

The nunckuku problem.... PVC pipes and electrical cord... watch where you use them,

xplasma

05-Dec-2003, 03:40 AM

Originally posted by Disciple
He was saying that list were LEGAL weapons in the USA.

oops....

Kinjiro Tsukasa

05-Dec-2003, 03:42 PM

Oops -- I read that as "illegal" too -- what's up with that? ;)

YODA

05-Dec-2003, 03:54 PM

Originally posted by Kinjiro Tsukasa
Oops -- I read that as "illegal" too -- what's up with that? ;)

Guilty conscience? :D

Kinjiro Tsukasa

05-Dec-2003, 04:06 PM

Originally posted by YODA
Guilty conscience? :D
Ooohhh, no! Not a guilty conscience! My Sensei made me do it! (carry my bo to class, I mean). :D

I can't even hide the sticks in one of those carrying bags, because I need a bag that will be long enough for my Tai Chi staff too, and that is really long, which means I'll have to make the bag myself.

RubyMoon

05-Dec-2003, 04:07 PM

Originally posted by xplasma
Carrying Knifes over 6" blade requires a weapon permit, to carry on you.In the United States, the laws about blade length vary greatly from state to state. In some states the legal limit is a mere 3 inches, so be careful. Also, switchblades are illegal pretty much everywhere. Butterfly knives (i.e. Balisong) are generally okay as long as they fall within legal blade length limits. Note, this may not be the case in some states.

Shaolin Dragon

05-Dec-2003, 06:13 PM

One of the prohibited weapons listed in the UK states: a pair of weights attached by a cord or chain, where the cord/chain is longer than the weights. This technically doesn't include nunchuku (neither does it suggest you carry them!), but would include a skipping rope with wooden handles.

The trouble over here is that a lot of police don't know all the laws themselves (after all, they aren't lawyers) so are likely to (over)react to someone carrying a weapon without a good enough reason.

zun

05-Dec-2003, 06:15 PM

Originally posted by Ving Tsun
Hmm, not exactly double standards....

But I just got a letter from Customs saying they have seized two FOAM nunchaku that I had ordered from the UK.

Nunchaku are illegal here. Even the foam versions it seems... Which I dont like :angry:

I stayed with a friend in Melbourne. His flat mate had them all plastered over his wall - foam, chain and rope.

Cudgel

05-Dec-2003, 08:00 PM

blade lenghts for weapons knives and swords varies not only from state to state but also city to city and county to county. Where I live i can open carry any size blade as long as it isnt already illegal Ie for california switch blades and other "auto matic knives" over 2 inches.
Cane swords are illegal unless you get a CCW
Brass knuckels are flat out illegal to carry as are nunckaku.
You acn own almost any thign you want Here but you cant alaway carry it.
If you have questions Iwould suggest asking your police they should know. My do.

but yeah some illeagl weaposna e stupid.
LIek throwing stars, nunchaku and chains weapons. they are illeagal becasue they are gang weapons IIRC.

quartermaster

05-Dec-2003, 08:41 PM

aikiMac

05-Dec-2003, 09:38 PM

Originally posted by xplasma
Bo isn't illegal in the States. Neither is a Jo or Cane???? I guess old people are law breakers. Chains, sorry no. Weight chains are illegal to carry in some states.

Carrying Knifes over 6" blade requires a weapon permit, to carry on you. No law about owning.

Throwing Stars, Butterfly Knives, Switch Blades, Sword Canes, and nunchaku are illegal to own in NY, MA, and CA. Elsewhere its just illegal to carry.
Where do you live, XPlasma?
What statutes are you refering to? I want to read them.

Weapon permit for a blade over 6 inches? I don't believe you, amigo. I think someone fed you an urban myth.

Arizona has a funny law on nunchakus: Martial arts students may have them, and a store may sell them to martial arts students, but for the general public, possession or sale is a felony. Heh heh! I shouldn't laugh. It's not a good law. The statute is Criminal Code 13-3102.

Disciple

05-Dec-2003, 10:26 PM

manrikigusari : This is the weapon that was referred to in an earlier post. This is an older japanese weapon. It is two weights attached by a long chain.

As far as the blade over 6 inches, yes this is correct. There are laws (state by state in the USA) that say in public, you may only carry a blade of certain length. Such as you may carry a blade of 4 inches in some states, 6 in otheres, no limit in others. It depends. Also, there are general laws for cities and such that can also prohibit weapons.

Aboutg the Arizona law: hahahaha/.. athat is great, but how does the law define a martial artisit?

#1 Stutta

06-Dec-2003, 12:42 AM

He was saying that list were LEGAL weapons in the USA.

Thank you. :rolleyes:

Weapon permit for a blade over 6 inches? I don't believe you, amigo. I think someone fed you an urban myth.

Exactly. I just bought a 9 inch hunting knife.

Arizona has a funny law on nunchakus: Martial arts students may have them, and a store may sell them to martial arts students, but for the general public, possession or sale is a felony. Heh heh! I shouldn't laugh. It's not a good law. The statute is Criminal Code 13-3102.

Are you serious? I didn't know that, and I live here!

Dark Blade

06-Dec-2003, 12:46 AM

You know what I hate about Australia’s weapon laws.... a knife with a blade about 6 inches is illegal.... and a sword is not.
Well, they just passed another weapons law, so they are now...but what was up with that?

And here, almost everything is illegal.
And you need such high levels of proof to get a permit for anything.

Like, an "anti-personal" device, like some mace.
You need to state why you need the weapon (for self defence, clearly).
And a club to show that you need it.....who's ever heard of a mace class? And normal self-defence classes won't cut it, it needs to be a "mace defence class".

But, the laws are so exact, they you can find little loop holes in them, like, nine and seven piece chains...take off one section, it becomes 8 piece...and that's legal....

It's an incredibly messed up system.

Bos aren't illegal, and a trained person can cause more damage with a bo than a knife.

There have been a lot of law changes about weapons lately, so it may have changed a bit, but this si what I know, and my opinion is that they’re far to strict/ignorant with these laws.

Greg-VT

06-Dec-2003, 12:54 AM

There is law up in Queensland regarding Nunchaku.

They can legaly be sold to anyone who trains in MAs. But it is illegal to sell to anyone else (similar the law US law meantioned above).

Nunchaku are illegal here in NSW, BUT it is LEGAL for you to order one from a store in Queensland, and legal for them to send you one.

xplasma

06-Dec-2003, 05:36 AM

Originally posted by aikiMac
Where do you live, XPlasma?
What statutes are you refering to? I want to read them.

Weapon permit for a blade over 6 inches? I don't believe you, amigo. I think someone fed you an urban myth.

Arizona has a funny law on nunchakus: Martial arts students may have them, and a store may sell them to martial arts students, but for the general public, possession or sale is a felony. Heh heh! I shouldn't laugh. It's not a good law. The statute is Criminal Code 13-3102.

I was referring to New York law which tends to more strict then most states. Second the permit is too carry it on your person. Owning it and using it for hunting (assuming you have a hunting permit) is fine. Carrying it in your pocket to the store is illegal. The limit is 6" in NY and 4" in NYC

Sub zero

06-Dec-2003, 07:03 AM

To myknowlege under the brutal weapons act (i thin that's it) you may have nunchucks if ur over 18 or all the other MA questions i've come across.

But i did see somethingthat in some weapons you do have to have an MA liscence.

As mentioned on this forum before as long as they are not easily accesable (eg under lock and key or in a bag) when not in use or transporting them to a place where u use them for practice then there completly legal.

My instructor brought back about 5-10 chinese broadswords form america to scotland, No papers or anything , he just declared them and told them theywere for MA use. No problems. Maybe that's a little worrying. That was pre 9/11 tho........

FOr example my lovely new butterfly knives that i'm getting for Xmas are perfectly legal. http://www.wushudirect.co.uk/acatalog/Knives.html

:D

RubyMoon

06-Dec-2003, 07:11 AM

Originally posted by Sub zero
FOr example my lovely new butterfly knives that i'm getting for Xmas are perfectly legal. Nice! Those are lovely. :)

Taiso

06-Dec-2003, 07:15 PM

the police and people where i live don't seem to fussed about weapons as i tend to practise with my nunchuks 3 sectional staff and sword on a football field surrounded by houses and no one takes any notice :D

Cudgel

06-Dec-2003, 08:25 PM

AS long as you arent a nuisance about weapons the cops sorta dont see you, I practice stick fighting in a park and the seriff Department is right next to the park and cops are always driving past. They pay us no never mind.

unexist

06-Dec-2003, 09:02 PM

well here in colorado, anything that CAN be used as a weapon is illegal, if the police deem it so.sometimes they'll give you back your legal length pocket knife.

Sub zero

06-Dec-2003, 10:42 PM

Originally posted by RubyMoon
Nice! Those are lovely. :)

Yep very chuffed!:D

Plus my gf is getting for me :D ;) :cool:

Shaolin Dragon

10-Dec-2003, 07:05 PM

I dug up this list of prohibited weapons in the UK - it is illegal to own, buy, sell or make anything on this list:

1988 No. 2019
CRIMINAL LAW, ENGLAND AND WALES CRIMINAL LAW, NORTHERN IRELAND CRIMINAL LAW, SCOTLAND
The Criminal Justice Act 1988 (Offensive Weapons) Order 1988

1. Section 141 of the Criminal Justice Act 1988 (offensive weapons) shall apply to the following descriptions of weapons, other than weapons of those descriptions which are antiques for the purposes of this Schedule:
(a) a knuckleduster, that is, a band of metal or other hard material worn on one or more fingers, and designed to cause injury, and any weapon incorporating a knuckleduster;
(b) a swordstick, that is, a hollow walking-stick or cane containing a blade which may be used as a sword;
(c) the weapon sometimes known as a "handclaw" , being a band of metal or other hard material from which a number of sharp spikes protrude, and worn around the hand;
(d) the weapon sometimes known as a "belt buckle knife" , being a buckle which incorporates or conceals a knife;
(e) the weapon sometimes known as a "push dagger" , being a knife the handle of which fits within a clenched fist and the blade of which protrudes from between two fingers;

(f) the weapon sometimes known as a "hollow kubotan" , being a cylindrical container containing a number of sharp spikes;

(g) the weapon sometimes known as a "footclaw" , being a bar of metal or other hard material from which a number of sharp spikes protrude, and worn strapped to the foot;
(h) the weapon sometimes known as a "shuriken" , "shaken" or "death star" , being a hard non-flexible plate having three or more sharp radiating points and designed to be thrown;
(i) the weapon sometimes known as a "balisong" or "butterfly knife" , being a blade enclosed by its handle, which is designed to split down the middle, without the operation of a spring or other mechanical means, to reveal the blade;
(j) the weapon sometimes known as a "telescopic truncheon" , being a truncheon which extends automatically by hand pressure applied to a button, spring or other device in or attached to its handle;
(k) the weapon sometimes known as a "blowpipe" or "blow gun" , being a hollow tube out of which hard pellets or darts are shot by the use of breath;
(l) the weapon sometimes known as a "kusari gama" , being a length of rope, cord, wire or chain fastened at one end to a sickle;
(m) the weapon sometimes known as a "kyoketsu shoge" , being a length of rope, cord, wire or chain fastened at one end to a hooked knife;
(n) the weapon sometimes known as a "manrikigusari" or "kusari" , being a length of rope, cord, wire or chain fastened at each end to a hard weight or hand grip;
2. For the purposes of this Schedule, a weapon is an antique if it was manufactured more than 100 years before the date of any offence alleged to have been committed in respect of that weapon under subsection (1) of the said section 141 or section 50(2) or (3) of the Customs and Excise Management Act 1979[2] (improper importation).

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Notes:

[2] 1979 c.

2002 Update

2. This Order extends to England, Wales and Northern Ireland only.

3. The Schedule to the Criminal Justice Act 1988 (Offensive Weapons) Order 1988[2], which specifies offensive weapons for the purposes of section 141 of the Criminal Justice Act 1988, shall be amended by the insertion into paragraph 1 of that Schedule after sub-paragraph (n) the words -
" (o) a disguised knife, that is any knife which has a concealed blade or concealed sharp point and is designed to appear to be an everyday object of a kind commonly carried on the person or in a handbag, briefcase, or other hand luggage (such as a comb, brush, writing instrument, cigarette lighter, key, lipstick or telephone).".

Shaolin Dragon

10-Dec-2003, 07:08 PM

Note that "the weapon sometimes known as a "manrikigusari" or "kusari" , being a length of rope, cord, wire or chain fastened at each end to a hard weight or hand grip;" applies to a weapon where the cord is longer than the weights attached, therefore nunchucku are not illegal to own in the UK, but a skipping rope is!:D

Sub zero

10-Dec-2003, 11:13 PM

LOL Shaolin Dragon

There are sooooooooooo many people who carry kobutons.

I'l stick tomy good old pen for the same tehcniques

God

18-Dec-2003, 02:12 AM

Originally posted by #1 Stutta
Ya'll should move to America. Here's a list of the legal MA weapons in most states:

Nunchaku
Bo
Jo
Cane
Knives
Brass Knuckles
Sword hidden as a Walking Stick
Chain
Butterfly Knives (under 6 inches i think)

America is great!

brass knuckles are illegal in a lot of places.

even without spikes

undead_ninja

22-Dec-2003, 03:08 AM

booksie_girl

22-Dec-2003, 10:50 AM

Coming from someone completely ignorant where weapons are concerned, but why should something like brass knuckles be leagal? I don't think there is an artform in using them, and I see no reason for them to be there and legal, for anyone desiring to misuse them.

Greg-VT

22-Dec-2003, 10:53 AM

Self-defence.

I only know of their legality in the US.

booksie_girl

22-Dec-2003, 11:11 AM

My point was, for each person who carries it for self-defence, how many carry it for other reasons?

Cudgel

22-Dec-2003, 04:13 PM

Im not aware of any length limit on concealed blades.
But its been like three months since I last looked up the concealed carry laws so something might have been changed. Doubtful however.
Oh and rember laws can and ill change from county to county and city to city. So even thouhg I can carry anything not specifically ilegal according to the California laws doesnt mean some other city may have stricter weapon laws, always asked your friendly neighborhood cop, its one of their jobs to tell you the laws.

undead_ninja

24-Dec-2003, 04:17 AM

MY Grandmother sell knives and swords and spears and the such so i usually ask her but its been awhile...
i know u can carry swords and spears and stuff without having to worry about the cops doing anything other than loo at you funny note:IN CALIFORNIA
and about the brass knukles gangs use them all the time thats why my grandma sell them as "paper weights"...

undead_ninja

24-Dec-2003, 04:21 AM

Originally posted by undead_ninja
and about the brass knukles gangs use them all the time thats why my grandma sell them as "paper weights"...

When i say gangs use them im saying their ilegal in california thats why my grandma has to sell them as "paperweights" or "belt buckles"

Cudgel

24-Dec-2003, 06:43 PM

I love "paper weights" My Step dad has one I think it's funny.

Wait a sec. Your Grandma sells weapons?
*stunned blinking*

Orange...?

27-Dec-2003, 02:55 AM

I am planing to learn some martial arts with weapons, BUT I'M IN CANADA!!! They don't allow weapons in Canada. Well, it's good that we are safe from guns here, but this is a disapointment to all the martial artists learning to fight with weapons.

bcullen

27-Dec-2003, 03:41 AM

It's really hard not to laugh at some of the statutes in individual states. In Arizona nunchaku are illegal to carry unless you are coming from or going to a MA class. But with between one to two thousand bucks, a few weeks and the right paperwork I can carry a concealed handgun. In the U.S. in general being shot is still a more likely case. Millions of legal and illegal handguns out there and I get funny looks carrying a dao between the car and the school. heh, Go figure.

undead_ninja

30-Dec-2003, 05:16 PM

Originally posted by Cudgel
Wait a sec. Your Grandma sells weapons?
*stunned blinking*

Yeah cool huh? The one thing that sux is my parents won't let me have anything:(
the only weapons i own are my knife which is about 10 or 12 inches long and a 4 inch throwing knife

Pasante

30-Dec-2003, 05:36 PM

I was Christmas shopping with my partner yesterday and we were in a homewares store. I came across something called a 'herb cutter', which was a wooded handle with a covered guard, the guard being two (closed) curved blades over the knuckles. My partner thought it was funny that I was so angry about the knife - I told her that herb cutter was obviously illegal, technically, and since it fit close to the hand, it would be much easier to conceal than a couple of 1 1/2 foot long spiked deerhorn knives.

If I was going to kit out a private army (though I wouldn't do *that* again... not after last time, it's all politics these days) I'd go to a DIY store.

I mean you can buy yourself a pick axe, a normal axe, chain saws, big ol' lengths of chain, hammers of varying sizes, white plastic doors... the list is endless.

Onviously all the laws mentioned above would stop you just carrying them around in public but they're much easier to come by and just as deadly I'd say...

El Tejon

30-Dec-2003, 07:39 PM

Everything discussed is just fine here in Indiana (yes, even those silly brass knuckles). No law against possession or carrying.

Of course, I use a wooden pair of baat jam dao when I practice my WC swords in public like on a bridge or a park. No reason to alarm the soccermommies!:D (That's footballmummies to our chumleys).;)

Cudgel

31-Dec-2003, 04:08 PM

Its probably a very good I dea to use wooden weapons whne in public, mostly because there is tha chance taht you might get busted for brandishing a weapon. Which is illegal here, dont know aobut Indiana. ANd its always a good idea not to scare the 'normals' :D

El Tejon

31-Dec-2003, 06:12 PM

Cudgel, no "brandishing" here (seems to be a Southern thing). There is Criminal Recklessness, but I keep to myself and tend NOT to throw my weapons about!

The Kestrel

01-Jan-2004, 07:51 PM

I always have to use wooden spears without blade.
:(
Metal spears are too heavy here.

undead_ninja

03-Jan-2004, 04:57 PM

Originally posted by El Tejon
Everything discussed is just fine here in Indiana (yes, even those silly brass knuckles). No law against possession or carrying.

Yeah, California's a pretty boring state cuz they dont let you have anything here though you can carry swords in public!

Cudgel

06-Jan-2004, 05:38 PM

Originally posted by undead_ninja
Yeah, California's a pretty boring state cuz they dont let you have anything here though you can carry swords in public!

But yet you cant carry a loaded firearm in the open. :woo:

Andrew Green

07-Jan-2004, 03:29 AM

Originally posted by IVP_Kozak
I am planing to learn some martial arts with weapons, BUT I'M IN CANADA!!! They don't allow weapons in Canada. Well, it's good that we are safe from guns here, but this is a disapointment to all the martial artists learning to fight with weapons.

sure they do, just not ALL weapons.

I'm canadian, and I teach weapons classes ;)

Orange...?

07-Jan-2004, 01:52 PM

Originally posted by Andrew Green
sure they do, just not ALL weapons.

I'm canadian, and I teach weapons classes ;)

Well yah. But I wanted to learn Iaido (Japanese sword art) I don't think they allow to walk around with a sword on a street...

El Tejon

07-Jan-2004, 02:13 PM

IVP, don't know about your criminal statutes up there, but if you can't carry a sword, how about a wooden training sword. Or, is that an illegal club up there?

I forget how lucky I am not having those hassles. Hope you don't let it spoil your quest for knowledge.

Orange...?

07-Jan-2004, 02:16 PM

Originally posted by El Tejon
IVP, don't know about your criminal statutes up there, but if you can't carry a sword, how about a wooden training sword. Or, is that an illegal club up there?

I forget how lucky I am not having those hassles. Hope you don't let it spoil your quest for knowledge.

...............

...I'll just shut up now...

El Tejon

07-Jan-2004, 02:33 PM

Sorry, IVP, just trying to offer an alternative.

Orange...?

07-Jan-2004, 02:36 PM

It's okey.

undead_ninja

09-Jan-2004, 10:15 PM

Originally posted by Cudgel
But yet you cant carry a loaded firearm in the open. :woo:
Bet your right ... but I dont care because my grandma dont sell loaded fire arms:)

Nevada_MO_Guy

22-Apr-2004, 03:51 AM

What if your percieved "weapon" could be classified as a heirloom, an antique or (if your are totaly devoted to your training) a religious artifact used for your personal growth?

Nevada_MO_Guy

22-Apr-2004, 03:52 AM

http://www.martialartsplanet.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12722&page=2&pp=15

aikiMac

22-Apr-2004, 09:44 PM

I was referring to New York law which tends to more strict then most states. Second the permit is too carry it on your person. Owning it and using it for hunting (assuming you have a hunting permit) is fine. Carrying it in your pocket to the store is illegal. The limit is 6" in NY and 4" in NYC
Tell me the statute. I want to read it. I'm a lawyer, okay? A couple or three years ago I researched the knife laws in New York, and I sure don't remember anything about a permit for knives.

aikiMac

22-Apr-2004, 09:48 PM

u can carry most weapons in most states without worrying about length. you mostly have to worry about the length with concealable weapons . I'm pretty sure its 4 inches for concealed knives in california
I 100% sure there is no blade-inch rule for concealed knives in California, 'cause I read the statutes and the cases. I'm a lawyer and a reformed knife fighter and I went to law school in California, so I'm supposed to know these things.

Concealed: bad
Visible: good
Folding knife that's closed: good no matter where you put it

Taiso

16-May-2004, 04:18 PM

i don't see point of having laws which only allow maximum knife lengths if your going to hurt someone with knife it doesn't matter how long it is and the shorter it is the easier it is to conceal while out and about.

A question for a lawyer or someone who knows about. Would a spear with metal tip which is within the law be ok as the blade is legal just attatched to a long pole?

Mind Aflame

16-May-2004, 07:50 PM

I can't believe that Bo and Jo staffs are illegal. They are just other names for a stick and how the hell can carrying a stick be illegal? There are far more dangerous things around than sticks that are totaly legal to carry.
Also I don't know what the laws are like in America but recently in England it has become illegal to carry a screwdriver without due cause. 1984 or what!

Meshugener87

18-May-2004, 08:27 PM

anyone know about the laws in Boston? I'm moving there soon and I want to start learning to use a katana. Is it illegal to walk around with one?

oni_sensei

19-May-2004, 05:40 AM

Possibly if it's unsheathed. It may be allowable if the sword is in it's saya, and wrapped or in a case. That way, it can't be concealed, nor is it immediately readily available. I'm not sure about the laws, but I've heard that's about the only way to carry them in public.

killbill

19-May-2004, 07:50 AM

two words, california sucks.
i hate the laws here.

Nevada_MO_Guy

20-May-2004, 03:50 AM

anyone know about the laws in Boston? I'm moving there soon and I want to start learning to use a katana. Is it illegal to walk around with one?

Looks like you can get into some pretty serious stuff with a katana.

I'm reading 2-1/2 to 5 years in state prison or 6 months to 2 years in jail? Just for having the thing in your possesion...or....in your car.

Here is the link:
http://pweb.netcom.com/~brlevine/ma.txt

Meshugener87

20-May-2004, 11:49 PM

hmm..that seems a little harsh, but they dont mention anything similar to a katana except a cane sword. They only talk about switchblades and the like. I wonder if katanas are different?

Kalifallen

15-Jul-2004, 07:32 AM

Bad things about CA: taxes, prices, and unclear laws.

It says in the state law that shuriken - a three or more pointed throwing object in the shape of a star, triangle, etc. BUT they will sell you a weapon that looks like a shuriken. At John T's (a store at my mall) they sell throwing glaives. It is a three knife bladed shuriken style throwing star. Cool but is a little too big to conceal unless you had the pouch strapped to your blet or in your pocket.

Plus, one of the weirdest things is a sai and shuko (hand claws) are all right you use/have in CA but for some weird reason we can't buy them from Internet stores. What the heck is up with that?!

CA Illegal weapons:
Shinobi-zue, shuriken, nunchuku (bad Bruce Lee wannabe's), cane sword, and dirk (any knife that is fixed and longer than 3"). The others are firearms and really old weapons like a sap (its like a billy club).

Pajama 51

28-Jul-2004, 09:32 PM

How do I find the weapon restrictions for Arkansas? I keep Googling but all I get is this firearms crap.

Arkansas sites are designed so horribly. >_<

FuzzyHead

29-Oct-2004, 09:18 PM

I can tell you a little bit about Oregon laws. Nunchaku are legal as long as they aren't concealed, though explain that one to the cops. To conceal nunchaku you need a CCW permit. Which if I move back there, I'm gonna call and ask how one gets a permit to just conceal nunchaku.

166.240 Carrying of concealed weapons. (1) Except as provided in subsection (2) of this section, any person who carries concealed upon the person any knife having a blade that projects or swings into position by force of a spring or by centrifugal force, any dirk, dagger, ice pick, slungshot, metal knuckles, or any similar instrument by the use of which injury could be inflicted upon the person or property of any other person, commits a Class B misdemeanor.

Upon looking at that, I might need to get a permit for my knife as well. I carry a Kershaw Ken Onion, Blackout, model from Wal-Mart. Although, I believe that having the clip, might make it a visible weapon.

Basically with most other weapons you just can't take them into public places.

One could, hypothetically speaking in OR, go into a place, besides school or government building, with a gun in holster that's visible and not have a problem.

Of course, right now I'm living in CA for school reasons so I really do need to know the Laws of this state. I already know my chucks are illegal, but they stay in their box for the time being.

munkiejunkie

31-Oct-2004, 09:34 AM

If they want to ban Bos and Jos, they should arrest trees becase they have branches

zenmonk

31-Oct-2004, 10:15 AM

I wonder if carrying a baseball bat is illegal? How about brooms? :)

Orange...?

31-Oct-2004, 12:02 PM

I wonder if carrying a baseball bat is illegal? How about brooms? :) if you carry a baseball bat to play baseball its not illegal, but if you carry baseball bat not for playing baseball its illegal. if you have a walking stick its not illegal, but if you have a walking stick, but you dont need it, its illegal...

stupid rules.... :woo:

ZenPolice

31-Oct-2004, 07:04 PM

Do you have a permit for that banana?

TheMightyMcClaw

01-Nov-2004, 12:18 AM

And this is precisely why I love China. I only spent about two months there, but here are things I notice:

1. People walking down the street with swords. Primarily middle-aged women going to the park to practice Taijiquan.
2. Myself walking through the park, (specifically through a crowd of small children) with a sword drawn (it was towards the end of my stay, and my teacher wanted to get some photos of me doing wushu). No one stopped me, except to take my picture.
3. My personal favorite.... in a martial arts store, they had a shelf dedicated to knuckledusters. This included spiked knuckledusters and plastic knuckledusters. Take that, metal detectors.

They did, however take my teachers chain whip when we flew to Fujian. I think it was only because he put it on his carry-on luggage (though I hear China has crazy laws regarding taking weapons on domestic flights). I was never bothered about the numerous swords in my checked luggage flying back to the U.S. The guys in the US airport freaked a little bit, but they didn't confiscate them or anything.

adouglasmhor

07-Nov-2004, 08:23 AM

In the UK throwing stars are ilegal but bo-shuriken are legal (not to cary as weapons but to train with) Death Stars are specifically mentioned and I agree, the public should not have weapons that can destroy planets :rolleyes:

zhongding37

04-Aug-2006, 04:56 AM

Ya'll should move to America. Here's a list of the legal MA weapons in most states:

Nunchaku
Bo
Jo
Cane
Knives
Brass Knuckles
Sword hidden as a Walking Stick
Chain
Butterfly Knives (under 6 inches i think)

America is great!
ummmM but guns are legal?

Shadow_of_Evil

04-Aug-2006, 05:59 AM

That's the first thing I thought when I read that post.
Can't have those but a Mac10 etc is allowed. Pft, stupid country.

Langenschwert

04-Aug-2006, 03:41 PM

Well yah. But I wanted to learn Iaido (Japanese sword art) I don't think they allow to walk around with a sword on a street...

In Canada, the law is concerned with the intent than the actual weapon. I can walk around with my sharp longsword, provided it's in a bag (I keep mine in a scabbard, in a rifle case, in a bag) or something, and I'm on my way to a practice/demo. Articulated weapons are illegal (flail, etc), but can be purchased if you are a collector, which IIRC you have to have X amount of legal weapons. You are also allowed (at least in Alberta) to carry a fixed blade knife (up to the size of a K-Bar) in a sheath on your hip. I wouldn't walk into a bank with one, though. ;)

Keep in mind, I Am Not a Lawyer, so all the advice is IMO, IIRC, and not to be construed as legal advice, merely gossip. ;)

Best regards,

-Mark

jjmac

04-Aug-2006, 04:04 PM

i know its illegal over here in scotland but wouldnt it be easer to just carry pepper spray around ? rather than knifes and other sorts of nasties

prowla

04-Aug-2006, 04:13 PM

Hmm, not exactly double standards....

But I just got a letter from Customs saying they have seized two FOAM nunchaku that I had ordered from the UK.

Nunchaku are illegal here. Even the foam versions it seems... Which I dont like :angry:IMHO, the foam ones are useless anyway - they don't have a positive feel and tend to bounce out of your hand.
(But then again I am absolutely utter rubbish at nunchaku, so that could be part of the problem.)
In the UK you can only buy them if you have an MA licence.

A bo (or jo) being illegal doean't make too much sense, as you could easily substitute a broom handle.

I guess all of them only really have a place in an MA class, as you'd look a right nutter dressed up like a cross between Rambo and Van Damme, walking down the high street carrying a selection of weapons and stopping to order a skinny cappucino from Starbucks! :)

Anyway, weapons have no place out and about in normal society.

Al Bundy

04-Aug-2006, 04:34 PM

tolchocker

04-Aug-2006, 04:37 PM

like Lee Evans was saying in one of his tours, you try to buy a knife in a military shop and they get all suspicious want to see if you're over 18 etc. but just go into a big department shop and buy a kitchen knife thats twice the size with no fuss at all. you can imagine them with the demonstrations saying things like ' this here is your stabber, you can stap someone like this.' or 'this is the wielder, look how im wielding it!'

stupid really :D

Anth

04-Aug-2006, 04:47 PM

tellner

04-Aug-2006, 04:58 PM

The jo is illegal to carry in most of the US? Not hardly. Put a crutch tip on one end and it's an orthopedic device. I've even carried my walking stick onto post 9/11 planes.

TheDarkJester

04-Aug-2006, 06:04 PM

I can get away with carrying my wooden practice swords around in public, as well as my Kali sticks.. Hard to tell a cop why my training sticks are spiral burn hardened, but my waxwood ones look just like normal sticks.

I can carry my rope dart around, assuming I don't have the rope attached to the the dart, as well as my staff. Chain is a whole 'nother story. In texas if it can be used as a weapon and its within reach of the driver, then it can be considered an illegal weapon. Same with baseball bats. You can have one in your car, but better make sure you have a glove to go with it otherwise you're going to the city jail. :)

maf

04-Aug-2006, 10:12 PM

here in the uk there are no stickswords, manrikigusari (whatever that is), throwing stars (with 3 or more points), ballisong, anything you have with you in a public place even if it is just your clothes, no guns of any kind, nuckle dusters, hand claws, foot spikes, kubotan, kama, and a couple of other things i cant remember

that is pretty daft

how do mate just to let you know, a manrikigusari is a length of chain weighted on both ends, Kubotan are legal in the uk just the ones that have spikes or blades inside are illegal.

http://www.role-n-play.co.uk/Weapons/cat/criminaljusticeact.htm

heres a link below to a weapons glossary, just incase any ones interested

http://www.youandwhosearmy.co.uk/youandwhosearmy/weapons.asp

Anth

05-Aug-2006, 12:37 PM

heres a link below to a weapons glossary, just incase any ones interested

http://www.youandwhosearmy.co.uk/yo...rmy/weapons.asp Nice link! That will be handy sometime soon for me :)

Cheers!

kiaiki

05-Aug-2006, 01:30 PM

maf: I hope you haven't got confused over the classifications.

The weapons classified as 'offensive' simply because of what they are, do not tell the whole story. Police can deem all sorts of things as offensive weapons according to the circumstances, e.g. any blade in a night club has no place being there. The Act also includes any object specifically made as a weapon, so home made stuff is also a no-no.

Police I've spoken to tell me any kubotan in any material may be deemed an offensive weapon by police here in the UK, as it could only be used as a weapon. The hollow ones with blades are classified, like butterfly knives as 'prohibited' - i.e. illegal to buy as well as carry, which is quite different.

Similarly with knives, there is nothing in any Act which prohibits lock knives, but there is legal precedent for prosecuting (Harris v. Regina I think) as if they have a rigid blade and are therefore illegal. Police work on the basis that if you need to operate a mechanism (e.g. liner lock) before closing it then it is illegal, however short the blade.

The rule is that the cutting edge of a (non-locking slip joint) folding knife must be less than 3 inches to be legal for everyday carry outside the home. A folded steel army knife (on your keychain) or pruning knife is OK, IMHO and would be just as effective as a Kubotan.

It's best in the UK to opt for a substitute: Maglite for Kubotan etc., metal bracelet for knuckedusters, walking stick etc. As for the car - a bit of copper pipe sawn off at the end could easily be on its way to the DIY store as a sample, as could a bit of curtain pole etc etc. Tools are a bit of a grey area so should be out of reach or in the boot.

As for MA weapons, I always carry them in a bag or tube when walking and in the car boot when travelling. Police have never challenged my right to do so on the journey to and from MA classes. Properly cased, I've not had any airline problem in checked in baggage. Walking sticks have been fine as hand luggage. (Except when stopped at Kuala Lumpur for having a hollow cane - suspected drug smuggling container, apparently! However, as I bought it at their Duty free they let me off the death penalty and just laughed! :) )

Here is a useful link:
http://www.bkcg.co.uk/guide/law.html