need pointers boxing vs. TKD

[MrTQ2001]

alright, i box somewhat if u want to call it that, i've never sparred and with boxing i use elbows and low kicks so i'm not sure what kind of style u would consider it. anwyay, i'm going up agains tone of my friends who's a black belt in TKD, and he wants to spar. any pointers on how to beat him or if i should even waste my time?

[YODA]

You've never sparred?

He's gonna kick your ass mate :D

[Cain]

LOL! No doubt! :D

Tell him to go easy and remind him you never sparred before :D

|Cain|

[Kof_Andy]

Stay close, and try not to back up. If you back up he'll keep kicking. Kicking is long range, use your boxing skill at close range, and his TKD wont be much use till he get the distant.

[Infesticon #1]

circle him, don't move backwards from him if at all possible.

[xplasma]

I'd try to get in close. TKD Black Belts usually have lighting fast kicks, and if you never sparred its will be very hard or more likely impossible to keep up with them. If you can get in close and use more jabs and elbows to the face area (remember sport TKD doesn't punch to the face) so, punching the face might get him "uneasy".

Personally, if you never sparred before he going to piss all over you.

[Infesticon #1]

yeah, do you know if they're WTF or ITF?

I do ITF TKD and I wouldn't like to spar one of our black belts who was going full out.

[xplasma]

I do WTF, and WTF depends on the school. The majority of black belts I have spared in WTF were awesome, I have to get in on them the prevent them then kicking, otherwise I didn't stand a chance. However, recently I meet a WTF third dan, you was sooo overweight he stomach prevented him from touching his toes. And his technique was have white level. That is the exception rather then the rule.

[Andy Murray]

Make sure you get a video tape of the event. That way you can post it on a website, and everyone will see which is best, TKD or Boxing. :D

[Cain]

ROFL!!! :D

|Cain|

[Disciple]

If you are sparring, low kicks are too dangerous, they are a tad bit crippling if not employed with extreme control and precision. Knees to the stomach, elbows the upper arm and chest. Backfists to teh fists. When he send a kick, block it, I mean, truely blcok it, attack the limb, not a joint, jsut a limb.

Punches to the face, if he is not use to it, may get him to be a bit more loose and not hesistate to punishing you... hooks are good, and punches in repetition up close. Watch his knees, hammer kicks, front kicks, back spin kicks, and the great side kick.

[Andrew Green]

low kicks are just fine ;)

Never sparred?

My advice, be prepared to get hit a lot :D

[47Ronin]

Did some one delete my post???

[Van_the_cookie_man]

Just keep yourself moving. Moderate your defense and offense. If you stay on defense for a long time you'll break down. If you stay on offense to long you'll burn out. Theres a thread somewhere here (i think in the sporting martial arts section) that provides lots of good tips for point sparing.

Good luck.

[Freeform]

No sparring = Not Boxing

IMHO

Col

[Tosh]

I would pray to god that he also hasn't crosstrained a little boxing to make up for the limited "practical" hand techniques.

Most good quality BB TKDers I know have dabbled a little boxing especially ITF'ers.

[YODA]

Originally posted by Freeform
No sparring = Not Boxing

IMHO

Col


Yup - Boxing without sparring is like saying your a racing car driver but all you've done is sat behind the wheel making "brum brum" noises :p

[TkdWarrior]

website, and everyone will see which is best, TKD or Boxing.
andy my freind, i hate to say it but TKD is the BEST :D :p

if u r sparring, hit his legs, no rules below belt is allowed here, it ain't tournament, if he can't move he can't hit u...
well now that's another thing that this rule u can apply on anyone :D

if he can't move, he can't hit u
if he can't see, he can't hit u.
blah blah... blah..

moreover just remember fight TKD don't fight anything else for godsake...:woo:
-TkdWarrior-

[jwc]

Don't make him angry. That would probably be a bad idea.

[KenpoDavid]

Originally posted by MrTQ2001
alright, i box somewhat if u want to call it that, i've never sparred and with boxing i use elbows and low kicks ...

If you have never fought then how do you know what you use?

[Taeho]

How about a nice game of Chess?

TKD shane Ÿ

[SoKKlab]

Try some Knitting.
Cross-stitch is good for the soul.

[littlebird]

MrT sounds like you are more a kick boxer than anything and the elbows JKD trapping and the low kicks FMA.

If you consider your boxing your strong point, then rely on combinations and feint and feint a few times to keep the other guy off balance and "kicked out of position" and then go after him with strong and rapid combinations. Kicking is a lot harder when you are backing up or off balance and your opponent is moving in quickly on you. This assumes no power kicks to the knees which should strickely be forbidden.

You want to stay on your feet!

First establish some rules with your friend and make sure he is your friend or that you have a strong and competent referee.
I advise you since your are inexperienced to set forth the rule that you are not going to "smash" anything except through his guard, and hold him to the same standard.

I advise you both to wear helmets. Sometimes an inexperienced sparrer is more dangerous than an experienced one because he doesn't remember to hold back properly at the right time, or when the experienced fighter holds back the novice then uses that opportunity to make a hard hit.

ANd lastly. Establish short rounds, where you rest in between and talk out what you are both doing and how you are going to handle the dangerous stuff.
The short rounds allow you to be rested, more controlled and less likely to be hurt or hurt your opponent so you can have many more productive sparring matches.

You are not in a battle pit or cage like two dogs.
Save that for the street.

[Thomas]

Littlebird: Nice post. I think if the original poster follows that kind of advice, they may find themselves in a good learning environment. Nice post.

[TheMasterSword]

Keep a tight guard always!! your elbow protects your mid section and your hand/fist protects your face/neck... in order to beat this guy you're gonna have to fight in your space not in his.. tkd usually have a longer striking distance because of their kicks so they will try to maintain in this distance.... get up right in his face and overwhelm him with punch combinations to keep moving him back... but be afraid to charge when you have the opportunity with your tight guard

one thing that i like to do against a hard stylist is to do things to that opponent that are not allowed in their tournaments.... such as low kicks/shin kicks, using your elbow to block their high kicks, striking their legs to close the distance, clinching/knees, elbows.... much of which thai boxers do and for most tkders they will not be prepared

[Mifune]

Look at your opponent as if he is a mountain in the distance.

[azra]

Originally posted by Infesticon #1
circle him, don't move backwards from him if at all possible.

Move backwards and your gonna see wonders!

[KiWarrior]

Originally posted by Mifune
Look at your opponent as if he is a mountain in the distance.

A boxing coach told me to more focus on the Adam's apple. I found this a lot more useful than the "see no see" pseudo-zen crap of most asian martial arts.

[Mifune]

Interesting... I've never been hit by an Adam's apple before.

[totality]

step on his feet.

[Stimpsonjcat]

I think the best answer to your question was by littlebird - you need to have an established set of rules going into your match.

If you guys are truly friends - and you have never sparred before - you need to agree on some ground rules. The worst thing about people who haven't sparred before is they tend to injure others with poor techniques.

One thing I would highly advise against is using elbows to block feet. If your friend is ok with this then he is crazy as the surest way to shatter every bone in your foot is to have it blocked by an elbow. As his friend you should not want to cripple him. Anyone who blocks feet with elbows - at our school or any other school with any kind of care for the safety of its students - would get a stern warning and then a thorough ass beating if they were caught doing this.

Also, I would definately rule out any strikes to the knees. I mean this isn't going to be a death match right? Just a couple of friends having a friendly sparring match yes?

Stay close. I don't know if you have seen how TKDers block incomming headshot when they are in tight - but this is one thing you need to worry about. When you get in close he will push you back even slightly and then launch a crescent kick to your head that you will not see coming at all. The way TKDers block this is to put their arms down and out - which will seem very very strange to a boxer (not protecting the face). The crescent kick will gety stuck somewhere along your arm or up into your armpit - otherwise if you don't catch this liitle tricky kick - it might be lights out time.

Now I don't know the skill level of your friend - but that is one kick that is highly effective even when an opponent is trying to take away your kicking game by staying inside on you - so I figured you needed to know about it. Since you will need to try and take his kicking game away from him - its a good thing to be aware of.

[stratiotes]

Yes having foot blocked with knee or elbow really really hurts. I'm TKD myself, but since i'm shorter then anyone my age+ in my class, i have to resort to boxing most of the time. I find that my best scoring strategy is to get in close and box, and then kick my way out or whenever i see an opening. If you get out of hands reach you're going to get pounded.

Also i don't know about your friend... but several people (and i've found myself guilty of it alot), keep their guard up for kicks, and if they don't switch to boxing guard in close range you can take advantage of it and deliver them some nice hits to the head.

[LeeGreg89]

Hes going to destroy u. Hes not going to go easy he is a TKD . Take it from me imin tKD and i love it in tkd there is no such thing as Easy. Or else thats how we stick as Bruce Lee said A fighter who trains without sparrig is like a swimmer who hasnt immersed in th water

[Budd]

If there's room, keep moving back out of kicking range. As soon as he starts to chase you, move in close to jam his kicks, then do lots of punches and elbows to his head.

[Budd]

You should really learn to kick, though. I like kicking.

[kickcatcher]

No sparring experience?

Well, you could take inspiration from the sprit of the street thug.

Grab both lapels with bent arms and immediately jump at him forehead first. Wallop.

Then knee him in the stomach and as he bends over, apply an improvised headlock. pull him to the floor where his TKD means didly-squat.

But even if he whips you, that reflects as much on your poor prep as TKDs merits IMO.

[jpw]

This guy wants to spar with his mate and you 2 are talking about elbows to the head and headbuts!

[Roga]

Don't Overestimate him or underestimate even if he is your friend. Plan ahead on what your going to do (Like a Stragey before the match) because you are not going to have time to think while sparring or your gonna go down hard.

Other than that it's your show and make it good one. Best of luck to you.

[kickcatcher]

Originally posted by jpw
This guy wants to spar with his mate and you 2 are talking about elbows to the head and headbuts!

Why not elbows and headbuts? Both can be practiced safely. Headbuts, especially if you are wearing TKD style head guards.

But if headbuts and elbows are not in the agreed rules for the sparring, grabbing onto his sleeves and pulling/swinging can nulify a kicking advantage, as when he lifts his foot to kick, you can drag him to the ground with very little deliberate technique.

[LeadLegger]

Advice for the boxer - Get inside and stay inside, that way he can't use kicks. And keep throwing combos to keep him on the defense, and don't let him get into his comfort zone (which is probably long range)

[marco]

Yeah, I'm with freeform on this one, you can't be a boxer if you haven't sparred. I hold 2nd degree ITF and 3rd degree WTF and in my humble opinion the WTF guys don't know what their hands are for. The ITF boys might fare a little better but a good boxer would murder them as he's used to the regular contact.

There are three ranges; Kicking, Punching, Grappling

In my opinion TKD is virtually limited to the first. Now be honest boys, can't really use the TKD punching and blocking in sparring can we ?

The boxer is good at the second and possibly basic in the first. To be a good all-rounder you also need grappling skills.