I'm Stuck

[gornex]

So, i suck at escapes. Mount or side control i get stuck. I usually roll when people bigger then me and i get destroyed. Any tips, i know the basic escapes, like 2 for each position but i dunno. Any Tips?

[Davey Bones]

work harder. seriously, it'll come. remember, advancement in this system is glacial. I give up, on average, 40 pounds against every guy I roll with, you need to learn to see your lack of size as an advantage, not a disavantage. Drill like crazy and don't just roll. Work specific techniques.

[fanatical]

Keep training. The fact that it's harder for you than for the others means that this is something you will become better at than them. Simply because when you do get it right, it's because you did it that much better.

[RiveraRa]

My instructor just pointed out that I wait for the guy to get side control and then I start my escapes. He said I need to start my escape as soon as I realize he has passed my guard, before he is settled down in side control. Same for mount. If your using the elbow escape, dont wait for him to get mount before you start the escape. As soon as his leg is in the air going for mount start your escape. Its almost like a pre-emptive escape :)

[KempoFist]

My instructor just pointed out that I wait for the guy to get side control and then I start my escapes. He said I need to start my escape as soon as I realize he has passed my guard, before he is settled down in side control. Same for mount. If your using the elbow escape, dont wait for him to get mount before you start the escape. As soon as his leg is in the air going for mount start your escape. Its almost like a pre-emptive escape :)

QFT

This is exactly what I was going to say. I find it much more difficult escaping position once they are settled in. A guy may pass my guard, but as soon as he starts to work around I'm shrimping away and tucking me knee in up against my chest to prevent him from getting side mount. From there, I push off and swivel back to guard.

As for escaping position once they get you, elbow escape is your friend, and cycling between that, the upa escape, and bumping out the back door is key. You keep him working to hold position. If you feel he has too strong of base, then sometimes playing possum works, letting him think he's working a submission and then exploding on him, but that can be risky, and it's better to work your fundamentals.

[cobramma]

if its a side mount turn ur body face towards the person fetch your legs and knees up to your chest and push with ur hands and knees spribin away from the person

[Andrew Green]

Very often when excapes aren't working new people will try to fix it by pushing harder and making there motions bigger, which doesn't work.

You need to look at your posture and angles most likely, and relax a little.

I can't say for sure what's going wrong, but this excercise might help:

Lie down along a line or maybe even beside a wall, and work on getting your knee in along the line or along the wall. That's where the person would be, so if you can't clear the wall, you won't clear a person.

If you have the wall / line on your right side, plant your left foot and don't move it, work at escaping your hips and being able to pull the other leg in with a small hole, not trying to create a big one, which is easy to counter. The motion should be tight and circular, not a two part out then up motion.

For bridge escapes work it on your own, and remember to bridge up as high as you can, then turn over. Lift them first, otherwise it won't work.

But from both mount and side mount remember the important thing right of the start, get off your back. Up on a side, from side mount turn towards them, from mount tuck one foot too your but and the other leg flat and get up on a hip. Skipping that beginning step will make escape very difficult.

[beknar]

Do you drill these escapes with someone bigger over and over in isolation? I know it's boring, but you know how it goes.

[EternalRage]

Basics are the key. I was chastized pretty hard over on bullshido when i suggested someone train something else, arguably more difficult than what he was doing before. Work on your shrimping, your hip bumping, and the basic components of each escape, as well as the finer details of each basic escape.

Maybe instead of free rolling, do positional training instead first.

[Ghost Frog]

Basics are the key. I was chastized pretty hard over on bullshido when i suggested someone train something else, arguably more difficult than what he was doing before. Work on your shrimping, your hip bumping, and the basic components of each escape, as well as the finer details of each basic escape.

Maybe instead of free rolling, do positional training instead first.

<--What he says. Instead of just free rolling, get someone to just work side control on you. Start light then introduce more resistance. If they sub you or get mount, or you escape, start again.

[KempoFist]

Ghost Frog the arrow you were looking for was the carrot " ^ ^ ^ "

So sorry, but thank you for playing!

[Stalkachu]

I suppose I'll throw in my (not quite so common) mount escape of choice here, just to share. ^_-

Basically, presuming they don't have a VERY high mount (i.e. they don't have their feet on your hips), what you're going to do (from flat) is step your right leg all the way across your body and over your opponent's right leg (which will be to your left, logically). Now as soon as you get stepped over, drag it back into your half-guard as at the same time you snake your hips out to your left. This should put you back into a half-guard where you are on your side, not crossfaced, and free to work underhooks, etc.

Try it, you might like it. It won't work on the higher level guys to begin with, but as you get better at it you'll be able to hit it a lot more often.

Take care,

Stalks

P.S. Side control...is a lot more complicated. ^_^

[prfighter]

I suppose I'll throw in my (not quite so common) mount escape of choice here, just to share. ^_-

Basically, presuming they don't have a VERY high mount (i.e. they don't have their feet on your hips), what you're going to do (from flat) is step your right leg all the way across your body and over your opponent's right leg (which will be to your left, logically). Now as soon as you get stepped over, drag it back into your half-guard as at the same time you snake your hips out to your left. This should put you back into a half-guard where you are on your side, not crossfaced, and free to work underhooks, etc.

Try it, you might like it. It won't work on the higher level guys to begin with, but as you get better at it you'll be able to hit it a lot more often.

Take care,

Stalks

P.S. Side control...is a lot more complicated. ^_^

Thats the one i love to use alot. It works on most the guys at my school but we're all white belts atm so...

[jamie1976]

it took me a lil over a year to learn to move my hips and stuff properly i basicly got smashed in every lesson i went to but then one day it just happened and i dnt know what happened but i was moving my hips properly and my escapes just flooded in from there and i started to win everything! its all about movment of the hips so i'd say concentrait on that!
jamie

[Fusen]

The well known SBG teaches this as their fundamental escape set ups - it works for me!

Fundamental 5 of Escapes
1. Hip and Hunchback - turn on one hip, roll your shoulders.
2. Arms between you and your opponent.
3. Look and Feel - know how you are pinned.
4. 90/10 - Make space: 90% hips, 10% arms.
5. Escapes - return to guard, go to knees or roll them.