are these styles worth the time?

[MrTQ2001]

i've been researching and finding out that aikido is useless. and BJJ is out of the question, then there's hapkido, and daito-ryu, are either of those two worth the time? like what are they based around, and are there better styles than those, and i'd like to refrain from stuff like muai thai, kickboxing, etc.

[pesilat]

Originally posted by MrTQ2001
i've been researching and finding out that aikido is useless. and BJJ is out of the question, then there's hapkido, and daito-ryu, are either of those two worth the time? like what are they based around, and are there better styles than those, and i'd like to refrain from stuff like muai thai, kickboxing, etc.

In my experience, nothing is useless. If you haven't been training then you haven't been "researching."

Rather than looking for the "ultimate martial art" (which, by the way, is a fantasy), look for an instructor near you that you like as a person. Leave your blinders and filters at home and go train with him/her. Doesn't matter what he/she does. Get some real training and experience under your belt, then start deciding what works and doesn't work for you.

If this sounds a little testy - well, you've hit on one of my pet peeves and caught me at a bad moment.

Now - a little less off the cuff of emotion and a little more reason:
What don't you like about (what you perceive as) Aikido, BJJ, Muay Thai, and Kickboxing? And what "etc."

From the looks of it, you don't like joint locking, groundfighting, or striking - that pretty much means you're not interested in training in any martial art. Unless maybe you're interest in weapons - but then you'll eventually end up striking and locking with weapons, too.

If you tell us what kind of things you're looking for, then we might be able to give you some actual pointers about what arts might interest you. But it won't matter what we say if none of that is near you.

So - see my second paragraph and go from there.

Mike

[MrTQ2001]

i'm trying to find a style for my brother i ahve an earlier post. as far as the striking styles IE muai thai and kickboxing, he is blind in one eye and has bad depth perception so he says, which is y i'm trying to find a good grappling style or something simliar to it because the person is right next to him and he can throw his weight around, and he's got really big hands. and with BJJ from what i can tell it might work but iono if i can find a place that can teach him.

[pesilat]

Originally posted by MrTQ2001
i'm trying to find a style for my brother i ahve an earlier post. as far as the striking styles IE muai thai and kickboxing, he is blind in one eye and has bad depth perception so he says, which is y i'm trying to find a good grappling style or something simliar to it because the person is right next to him and he can throw his weight around, and he's got really big hands. and with BJJ from what i can tell it might work but iono if i can find a place that can teach him.

Well, with only one eye, he won't have any depth perception. I have a related problem. Both my eyes work fine, but I was born cross eyed so my eyes never really learned to work in tandem and that's the key to depth perception - both of your eyes working properly.

Long range striking arts (like Tae Kwon Do and such) will be more difficult - though not impossible for him because of the lack of depth perception. He's better off in grappling based arts. Once he's in contact with someone, he doesn't have to see them anymore and, therefore, the lack of depth perception won't make a bit of difference.

The problem is that things tend to start at long range. So he'll have to learn to bridge the gap and get in close. And he'll probably have to get used to taking some dings to do it since his ability to parry and avoid incoming strikes will be impaired.

I'm not sure any specific system will fulfill his requirements. But the grappling arts would be the place to start - preferably a grappling art that involves closing the distance against a striker, but don't make that a first priority.

I'd recommend things like Judo and Jujitsu because they're relatively easy to find. Some systems of Silat - specifically Serak or Bukti Negara. Some Filipino arts would have things to offer him - but he'd probably want to avoid any "larga mano" (long range) Filipino arts. Aikido would actually have good things to offer him - but it'd be pretty difficult for him at first because of the way they initially teach to deal with strikes. Of course, that's true of virtually anything where he's learning to deal with strikes coming at him. That's just going to be an obstacle he'll have to overcome. BJJ would probably be fine for him if you could find somewhere for him to train.

Hapkido or Daito Ryu (which is where Aikido is drawn from) would probably work too if there's schools near him that teach them. But, like I said, I'd recommend Judo or Jujitsu because they're usually easier to find.

Mike

[MrTQ2001]

alright thanx preciate it. is there a difference between judo and jiu jitsu?

[Zabuza]

judo is more upward I guess you describe it, I think jiu jitsu has more ground moves? I dunno

[pesilat]

Originally posted by MrTQ2001
alright thanx preciate it. is there a difference between judo and jiu jitsu?

Umm. I think that depends on who you ask. I've never really trained in either so can't really give a definitive answer. Based on what people have told me and what I've seen, Judo is more sport oriented and Jujitsu is more combative oriented. But I could be mistaken. I'm sure there are some folks around here who can give you a better answer.

Mike

[David]

The style I learn could be taught to a blind person.

There's too much going on in a close-up fight and most of it is out of sight anyway. You learn to know from feeling.

Rgds,
David

[Infesticon #1]

I dunno.

the blocks in TKD if performed correctly should always work

ok, maybe that's a bit of a magic bullet but take the outer forearm block (mainly because that's one of the only ones I know)

you'll have your forearm guarding your ribs from floating rib upwards and the outer forearm deflecting away any effective strikes, the fist should be level with the shoulder and in front of it.

obviously this is only useful for say punches to the torso, but if a punch to the torso was incoming and you performed an outer forearm block than even if your depth perception was nil it'd deflect a strike (if the strike itself was effective) and if it was an ineffective strike it wouldn't hit you anyway.

as for aikido being useless

what?

that's just wrong. And there's no such thing as a bad martial art.

[pesilat]

Originally posted by Infesticon #1
I dunno.

the blocks in TKD if performed correctly should always work

ok, maybe that's a bit of a magic bullet but take the outer forearm block (mainly because that's one of the only ones I know)

you'll have your forearm guarding your ribs from floating rib upwards and the outer forearm deflecting away any effective strikes, the fist should be level with the shoulder and in front of it.

obviously this is only useful for say punches to the torso, but if a punch to the torso was incoming and you performed an outer forearm block than even if your depth perception was nil it'd deflect a strike (if the strike itself was effective) and if it was an ineffective strike it wouldn't hit you anyway.


But without depth perception, it's hard to time the block to intercept the strike. Not impossible, but difficult. What often happens at first is that you react too soon, miss the block completely, and leave yourself wide open.

The key to this is learning to cover entire lines instead of trying to deal with the specific attack - but that's not something that's quickly learned.

Like I said, no matter what system the guy ends up taking, he'll have to find a way to overcome his lack of depth perception eventually.

MrTQ2001, you might want to find some other people (online or whatever) who have sight in only one eye and also do martial arts - then talk to them to get their opinion. I have very limited depth perception so can relate to a certan extent - but I'm sure my depth perception problems aren't on par with your brother's. My depth perception just isn't very good because it never really developed properly - but I do have some depth perception. Your brother, with only one eye, would have no depth perception and, further, a huge blind spot to deal with.

Mike

[mild7]

Judo - throws, some groundwork

BJJ(often referred to as "JIU" jitsu) - groundwork, some throws

Traditional/Japanese "JU" jitsu - similar to aikido.