Magical Arts.

[Andy Murray]

I was just wondering what everyones thoughts were on something.

Most of you have probably seen things like the Shaolin 'Wheel of Life' tour (see Photo Gallery on this site), and the amazing things they do; Balancing on spears and breaking bricks on their heads etc. Most of you will have seen some amazing demonstrations of seemingly mind over matter stuff too, and no doubt been impressed by it, especially early on in your training.

If you're anything like me, you wanna believe in Mystical hithertoo unexplained mystical at forces (I think I was psychologically scarred when I found out Santa was my dad aged four), when there is usually always a rational explanation.........

Or is there?

If you can explain away 99.999% of all Magic, what about the remaining 0.001% ?

Anyone experienced, seen or come across something in the MA that just couldn't be rationalised?

:)

[Freeform]

Anyone experienced, seen or come across something in the MA that just couldn't be rationalised?


Why someone would wanna break a brick with their head to start with!

I've seen many bizzare things but nothing that couldn't be explained away.

There was a guy who'd blind himself and have people swing sticks at his head and avoid them, which I thought was quite good (no trick timing from what I could tell). Probably just really good hearing... probably.

Thanx

[LilBunnyRabbit]

Any technology advanced enough, or technique developed enough, appears as magic.

Besides, just because you can explain it who says its not magic?

[Spike]

Good point GG, if you look any to magic into depth you`ll find that the deeper you get the closer it lines up with science or when science stops explaining things, magic takes over at that point, but since it`s not clinical and neatly proven in nice clean laboratories it is dismissed.
Whether that`s just coincidence or your own mind putting it into those categories is everyone`s individual call.

Everything can be rationalised, human beings are great at doing that, like Cuddles said "Probably just really good hearing... probably."

I`ve never seen anything connected with the MA "outside the chip shop" that couldn`t be explained but I`ve seen plenty of things not connected to the MA that I couldn`t explain.

I don`t entirely believe eerything about the mystical Chi/Ki/Mage side of life, but I`m afraid of it.

[ladyhawk]

Originally posted by Spike
if you look any to magic into depth you`ll find that the deeper you get the closer it lines up with science or when science stops explaining things, magic takes over at that point, but since it`s not clinical and neatly proven in nice clean laboratories it is dismissed.


What once was science fiction often becomes science fact.

[Rorny Gracie]

I dont know if this would count for Magical but I know a Combat TKD guy who can peel and eat a bannana with his right and left legs.

[Darzeka]

You all already beleive in magic and magical things.

What is magic?

It is the controlling, changing and using of energy.

My favourite example is electricity.

what is electricity? The force thats makes our light globes work. Is the light from the globes electricity? no it is light (a different enregy which is also magic).
You believe that electricity is real because we get see light. You cannot see electricity and yet we believe.

You can see the result of electricity in light, sound, heat and movment in the electrons of a circuit but we cannot see electricity.

Why does man always belive tat he knows everything?
The world was flat until it was proven wrong.
Submarines could not work until the first working submarine.
Man cannot fly without aid.
All that is missing is someone to prove it wrong.

Laboratory results and scientific evidence. We rely upon coincidences to believe something is true.

There are no coincidences.
Everything happens because of other things that have happened, other forces acting upon something else.
Nothing is random.
We believe in arrogance that we know all the forces acting upon something at one time.
Does the light globe light up because the switch completes the circuit and the moving electrons create heta and light? Or does it come on because we believe it will?

Because we know we cannot possibly know everything (who would want to?) we therefore use coincdental evidence as scientific proof.

The human mind has an unlimited potential. I know this because no one has reached its potential. How would you know that you had reached that limit of things possible?

So magic is the redirecting of energy.
Life is magic. We eat, drink and change the food and drink into other states so we can do things.
We are magic, all matter is made of energy. When we reduce it down all matter comes to the same components. Protons, neutrons and electrons. There must be smaller things than these. and in turn things smaller still. Until we reach that level where it is just frozen energy.

You all do magical arts.
You punch, you use energy, redirecting it to your purposes.
Why limit your sources of energy to matter - food, drink - true your body probably cannot assimilate many other sources of energy. So let your mind draw in the energy and then utlise it.

Place no limitations upon yourself for we don't and can't know everything. Explore all possiblities.

Reach for the random and unknown because these are the things we live for.

[ladyhawk]

Wow Darzeka, well said.

[khafra]

Yes, Darzeka. That's reasonably close to my own opinions. I kinda go with Hylics. The current paradigm of physics can explain nearly everything observable in a laboratory. But the laboratory isn't neccessarily a perfect microcosm of the world. I think there's a good chance that things happen out here with no parallel in there. And the most common name for those things is magic, magick (for pagans), or works of the devil (for fundamentalists).

[Jim]

Haven't posted on this topic because I'm still reeling with the thoughts of Andy's Dad being Santa!!! And he's only four?

Sorry, this is just too unbelievable.

[Andy Murray]

ROFL Jim, but hey.......

"I do believe in faeries, I do believe in faeries....."

[Jim]

And how the hell does he get around the world all in one night???

Ps - tell him I'm sick to death of the anti-persperant and I don't stink, what I'd really like is some car wash... Oh yeah, and someone to wash the car.

:D

[Mark]

This is all heresay but a friend in Tai chi class said he knew of a guy who could set something on fire just be touching it. He spent 20 some years in meditation and could harness the power of each individual cell. All I can say is I'll believe it when I see it.

mark

[LilBunnyRabbit]

That would be impressive, considering that the cells would melt releasing that much heat.

As for Santa the explanation is quite simple with modern quantum physics. Assume Santa is a quantum entity, this means he can have an infinite mass (all the toys) and yet be in every sitting room at the same time (so long as no one is waiting up to see him and collapses the wave form, although this would be a bad act and so he'd probably know about it in advance and thus simply not be in that room to deliver presents).

[Darzeka]

I think the approach neccesary here is not to disbeleive something is possible.

Just because it hasn't been done yet doesn't mean it can't be done.
It also doesn't mean it can.

Just be aware of the possiblility that it may be possible.

[khafra]

I'd feel comfortable leaving my wallet or child (if I had one) with the guy who taught me Pek Kwar. He seemed very trustworthy. He told me he'd personally seen his teacher break rocks without touching them. It doesn't necessarily follow that I believe it, but I can't entirely disbelieve it; he was very intelligent and, as I mentioned, trustworthy.

[Spike]

MArk: "This is all heresay..."

Actually, it`s closer to blasphemy.

[pgm316]

MEDITATION TECHNIQUES
TAOIST MEDITATION: MICROCOSMIC ORBIT MEDITATION
This is the classic Taoist meditation method for refining, raising, and circulating internal energy via the 'orbit' formed by the 'Governing Channel' from perineum up to head and the Conception Channel from head back down to perineum. Activating the Microcosmic Orbit is a key step that leads to more advanced practices. Taoists believe that microcosmic orbit meditation fills the reservoirs of the Governing and Conception channels with energy, which is then distributed to all the major organ-energy meridians, thereby energizing the internal organs. It draws abundant energy up from the sacrum into the brain, thereby enhancing cerebral circulation of blood and stimulating secretions of vital neurochemicals. It is also the first stage for cultivating the 'spiritual embryo' or 'golden elixir' of immortality, a process that begins in the lower abdomen and culminates in the mid-brain. This is probably the best of all Taoist methods for cultivating health and longevity while also 'opening the three passes' to higher spiritual awareness.
Taoists often refer things in symbolic languages. (See the section on Human anatomy from the Taoist perspective for a description of the symbolism used in referring to the human anatomy.) 'Opening the Three Passes' is another name for this meditation method and refers to the three critical junctions which pave the way for energy to travel up from the sacrum through the Governing Channel along the spine into the head.


Real? Magical? or madness??

[Andy Murray]

So what about the psychic stuff then. Telekinesis etc.
Is this all trickery, or just a science we haven't discovered yet

If we had any psychics on the forum they would have anticipated this post, and answered before I asked the question right?

[LilBunnyRabbit]

I did, I'm psychic, just a very slow typer.

I'm telekinetic too. I thought about pressing the keys, and they were pressed.

It still counts if my fingers did the actual pressing, right?

[Spike]

"Yes you`re right"
that`s the answer to a question you`re going to ask next month, the 3rd or 4th of it, I`m not sure which, perhaps round about tea time.

[darlph]

Wait a minute! I thought my dad was Santa.!!!
Did you ever see the man who had several iron rods pushed into his throat and they bent? That's magic, because I could never do that.
But then again, It's magic when I wake up in the morning. Or kick someone in the head just standing there.

There are just things in this world we shouldn't try to explain and just enjoy them. They are what they are.