Best Way To Bring Some One Down

[LowBlowJoe]

Hi every one well i am new here as you people probally can see


Well i wanted to know whats the best way to bring some one down while fighting ? im bigger then the person oh and also i was thinking about going right behind the knees from the front but i dont want to get punched in the face or kneed in my chin,
wich i doubt he will do but any ways what are some good ways you guys bring down your oppenent out side the ring quick???


Thanks every one

[Andrew Green]

There are a lot of good ways to bring someone down. The secret lies in the setup (same as everything else)

You might want to look at some basic wrestling to get an idea. A couple double leg variations and trips from a clinch would probably be a good place to start.

[LowBlowJoe]

Like is this a good way to take some one down? I am thinking doing this but with out going to my knees like it looks in the picture that the guys going to do

[Van_the_cookie_man]

In a real fight i think that anybody in that position will get beat pretty badly on the head...

[Andrew Green]

go to your knees, then stand up and lift him ;)

That is a basic double leg takedown, there are lots of ways he could take him down from there

[YODA]

Whatever takedown you decide you like - copying it from a book cover will not give the the timing and skill to apply it.

Get down to a good MMA or Vale Tudo gym - 6 months of hard training should give you an insight into basic takedowns.

[Saz]

Are you entering a tournament, or are you just looking for advice on how to pound someone in a fight? Sounds like the latter to me...

[Cain]

Best Way To Bring Some One Down

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|Cain|

[LowBlowJoe]

Well i am justlooking to take some one down not in a tournament but in a street fight?

So do you think if i am going to take some one down like that i should just not worry as much to droping on my knees then getting over him and pounding him ;)

Oh and also i am not in any MA classes yet but i am thinking about getting into Kick Boxing, Any suggestions?

[Jay]

If you do go for any take-down one thing to remember is when you change level keep your back straight and do it with your legs - don't bend at the waist or you'll most probably get knee'd in the face.

Kickboxing won't teach you how to take anyone down - it's all stand-up. Look for an MMA class.

Another thing to remember .. let's say that you manage a perfect take-down - what then ? You are gonna end up on the floor with them and unless you know what you are doing you could be in a world full of trouble.

[LowBlowJoe]

Yes i no that kick boxing will not teach me how to take some one down but that a style of MA that I will probally get into

well if i do manage a "perfect" take down which i think that arent any but i would either get over my oppenent like on my knees ryt over his chest and go for a couple of good slugs in the face or if i dont decide to go down kick him in the ribs or face that should hurt him

[Coyote]

Step 1: Hurt other guy.
Step 2: Hurt him some more.
Step 3: Hurt him lots'n'lots
Step 4: At your leisure, look at eh way the poor sod is reeling and encourage him to continue the motion all the way to the ground.

Seriously-- most take-downs are pretty ineffective unless you cause your opponent some degree of pain, first. Having caused pain, you will be in a better position to capitalize on whatever openings and opportunities present themselves.

[Jay]

Yeah .. wow lowblow - U have got it all sorted.

I'm finding more and that people ask for advice, but then turn out to be some 14yr old wanting to kick someone's head in ... do you know sambo master by any chance ? Sheesh I hope you two never bump into each other !!

[SoKKlab]

Lol,
I'd pay good money to see that one!

[nzric]

Baseball bat to the back of the head works a treat.

Why do you want to take someone down anyway. If it's going to be difficult getting them off their feet they're obviously fairly large, and if you don't have any grappling experience you'd probably end up in a worse situation.

Just hurt them, bad, when they're standing up and they'll go down without much more encouragement from you.

[khafra]

I find, when trying to bring someone down, that it's very effective to tell them my views on politics, all the lesser-known factors that make life increasingly dangerous and of lesser quality; and then when they're softened up hit 'em with my personal financial and workplace situation.
Few cheery moods have survived such an onslaught without being brought low.

[Andrew Green]

Originally posted by Coyote
Seriously-- most take-downs are pretty ineffective unless you cause your opponent some degree of pain, first. Having caused pain, you will be in a better position to capitalize on whatever openings and opportunities present themselves.

umm.... no.....

Takedowns are very good at achieving there goal, goal being take a person down.

[jwc]

Watch the Bruce Lee movie, Enter the Dragon. Use the technique that Bruce used on the boat when he was teaching a belligerent guy a new technique. You may have to modify it, but it should give you a general idea.

[LowBlowJoe]

oh ok thanks guys well i dont have in mind taking some one down right now,but just to no , well thanks guys i think i got all the help i need

[Maximicus]

I have this niffty rule of thumb I like to go by: He goes down first. I wouldn't drop to my knees in a fight unless you were planning on begging for mercy (or offering some love :love: ). I like to sweep his leg while push/lifting him forward, then slaming him down followed by a quick fig 5 armlock (works both in competition and real fights):D

[SoKKlab]

Figure 5 Armlock?
Is that an upgrade on a Figure 4?

[xubis]

A lightsaber

[Maximicus]

Hehehehe Yeah, I meant figure 4.:D

[YODA]

I like the figure 10 myself

[LowBlowJoe]

ohhhhh i see

[Cyph]

Double underhooks is always a good thing to get for taking someone down :)

[YODA]

Originally posted by Cyph
Double underhooks is always a good thing to get for taking someone down :)


Only if you have the wrestling / clinch skills to capitalise on the position - otherwise underhooks are a good way to get elbowed or head butted.

[Cyph]

there is a counter to everything... going for an armbar is bad if you don't have the control, balance and mehcanics to pull it off, you can end up on your back losing a dominant position.

[Sonshu]

You need to do somthing when you get there.

Don't know if I had this problem but when traching a takedown people tend to grab me then stop for a split second and then try a takedown. Its the timing and delivery of motion that makes it work.

A takedown is never pretty but its a job done manover - a pretty takedown is a throw or sweep. A takedown is as it says baby.

YOUR GOING DOWN!

Just get in, protect your head from strikes and watch the knee/choke, good balance and then drive em down.

Practice is a major player in this as many takedowns are so obvious!

[hafer34]

hit or fake then shoot for the waist of the opponent and pull him in while hooking out his leg. While in by his waist its very hard for him to attack you.

[Sonshu]

A mistake often made by new people.

[Trent Tiemeyer]

Tell them they are fat, and no woman would ever find them adequate in bed. I know that'd bring ME down.

[Freeform]

To 1ONEfighting:

"You are fat and no woman will ever find you adequate in bed!"

:D

Sorry, couldn't resist! ;)

Col

[RubyMoon]

Originally posted by 1ONEfighting
Tell them they are fat, and no woman would ever find them adequate in bed. I know that'd bring ME down.

Hmm. Nope, doesn't do a thing for me. The first part is just plain ridiculous, and the second part I couldn't care less about. No, for me you'd need a slightly different approach...

...like hiding the remote to the TV just before Sailor Moon is about to come on.

Er, no, wait...that'd just make me angry. Nevermind!

[RubyMoon]

My favorite takedown is actually a simple front foot hook sweep. It works best on those "look how impressive my horse stance is" fighters. Just get close enough to sneak your foot behind your opponent's leading foot, and "swoosh!" Such fun!

If you want to add injury to insult, follow up with a roundhouse kick as soon as they're off balance. I have landed many a point with this little gem.

You have to be careful with this too. It's a lot like "fool's mate" in chess. You may trick someone with it once, but chances are they'll catch on fast and be ready the next time. This can backfire and leave you really vulnerable, so watch out!

[LowBlowJoe]

ok thanks some of you help some of you dont

[Coyote]

My experience has always been that a takedown on its own is only effective if you get lucky-- I don't like to rely on my opponent not paying attention to what I'm about to do. I want to seriously encourage his attention to be elsewhere-- like on that really painful spot I just put on his jaw, or on his broken ribs, or whatever-- then I can move in and apply a takedown much more effectively.

As for favorite takedowns, I prefer things that don't require a great deal of strength, such as knee-throws or chin/head throws. Anything that pits my strength against the other guy's is gonna be a bad idea, as I am tall, but not extremely bulky or powerful.

Incidentally, sweeps are great, but best if you can keep your opponent from getting planted. The number of times I've successfully taken down a bruiser with a sweep is pretty low, because I just end up bouncing off. A solid knee or foot in one of the nerve trunks in the thigh can pretty much fix that problem, though.

Final thought for the day-- unless you are significantly bigger than your opponent, plan to keep yourself upright. Grappling on the ground with a bigger guy is just a long way of saying suicide, to me. Once you put the guy down, think scuff kicks, joint locks (if you have ahold of an arm), dropping-heel (axe) kicks, or running away and grabbing a weapon. Don't follow the sod to the ground unless you are very sure of yourself there.

[johndoch]

The best take down for me would be a one hit wonder right cross. If you're lucky you knock out your opponent, put him down without the need for grappling.

[RubyMoon]

Originally posted by Coyote
Once you put the guy down, think scuff kicks, joint locks (if you have ahold of an arm), dropping-heel (axe) kicks, or running away and grabbing a weapon. I would add to this that if there is no particular reason to subdue or disable him, just run and keep running until you are someplace safe. Sometimes all you need is a few seconds to get away. If you hurt your attacker enough, he'll think twice before pursuing.

Grabbing a weapon is a really bad idea unless your attacker used a weapon first. If you escalate the level of violence, you can be legally charged for it. If you feel your life is threatened, however, then of course use all means you deem necessary to protect yourself.

Having said all that, there's a really viscious "finishing blow" in my style where you leap over your downed opponent and drive a punch straight down into him. Nasty!

[Jay]

If you train against a resisting opponent - and PRACTICE takedowns, then you will see that they DO work without the need to distract them first with any sort of blow.

Saying something doesn't work without actually being trained in it is a bit premature.

I think the flying / leaping punch thing might be slightly 'telegraphed' :)

[Coyote]

Jay--

I do train against resisting opponents. What I said-- check it if you don't believe me-- is that in MY EXPERIENCE attempting a takedown against an opponent without distracting them first is a matter more of luck than skill. Obviously, you feel differently.

To RubyMoon: I didn't mean to imply grabbing a weapon was a good move in any legal sense-- but in terms of self-defense, using a three-foot length of pipe to beat the living crap out of someone tends to be much more effective than bruising your hands and feet on them. Also, there's the intimidation factor-- you start to get up and you see your previously helpless victim standing there with a two-by-four going, "go ahead-- make my day." You think twice and decide that the floor really is a comfortable place for a nap.