Tournament Combos

[DJHalliB]

What are all your favourite tournament combos that you use?

Personally, I like the baldeung-dweedtjaki-baldeung, the neryo-baldeung to head, and dweed-baleung to head. :)


Baldeung dolotjagi = the most commonly used wtf-tourney kick
dweedtjaki = turn your back on opponent and kick ;)
neryo = I think this has been called an "axe kick" not sure though. Straight leg up force down anyway.

I'm not sure how compatible the "korean spelling" is with everyone elses :)

[neryo_tkd]

it depends on the situation of course. i myself love neryo chagi and use it whenever i can. when it lands on my opponent's head it's definitely a KO. it's a very efficient kick. it's also efficient when it lands on the face, if the opponent moves a bit. there have been broken noses as well.

what can be effectively used at competitions? well, what u said, mainly, u just have to combine the kicks. don't tend to use only one kick. try to make a nice combination of let's say two kicks combining them with other elements like moving backwards and then kicking, moving to the side and kicking....never be passive!

- two dolyo chagi, 2 low ones, or 1st low, 2nd high
- dolyo chagi, dwit chagi
- dwit chagi followed by a dolyo, or dwit chagi followed by a sewo chagi
- when i am in the corner, i find my way out with a dwit chagi, or dwit chagi with a jump, or panda
- goro chagi can also be used efficiently, and while leg is in the air, just add a dolyo. but u have to choose the moment when to do it, u have to be very skilled at it. don't use it if u r insecure. i have used it efficiently two times at competitions. the opponent usually doesn't expect dolyo after goro chagi. u might even miss the opponent's head when u do goro chagi, but that's no reason to stop, just continue with dolyo. it comes like a bolt from the blue.
- and tricks, don't forget the tricks, e.g. u can fake a low dolyo chagi, the opponent protects his body, his/her head is open and u do a high dolyo chagi, or u can fake it by raising one leg, make him/her think u r going to kick with ur let's say right leg. the opponent moves to ur left, and u kick him/her with ur left leg, dolyo chagi, using the right leg to do a jump.

there are different combinations which u can use according to the situation. but remember one thing, don't experiment at competitions because u might just pay the price.

when u do two kicks they have to be done one after the other with the shortest break between them possible. also if u don't score with the first one, go ahead with the second kick. and u can search for ur opponent's mistakes. if there is a second or two or three between ur opponent's kicks, use that to score.

i could go on and on and on....but this should do for now i guess :) :) :) :)

[Yang, Dae-han]

Originally posted by DJHalliB


I'm not sure how compatible the "korean spelling" is with everyone elses :)

Actually, it's not the Korean spelling, but the romanisation of Korean....I know, being pedantic, sorry mate.

As for this board, sure wish it would support Korean font (and wish others could type it), but alas....

As for tourney....3 kicks (and their variants)

Roundhouse
Back
Axe

Cheers,.

Dae-han

[Disciple]

Since the romanized korean is becomeing rediculous for me to type, lol, I will do it in english.

Spinning backfist followed with a back hook kick in teh same spin.

and back spinning hammer kick (neyro chagi)

[DJHalliB]

When I said "korean spelling" I mean the way I spelled korean, not the way korean is meant to be spelled. I know they don't use the roman letters, since I don't live in a cave ;)

[Helm]

I like the double-roundhouse, if it connects and they are still moving backwards, i can rarely resist the 360 roundhouse :D But if it misses, as soon as i land im preparing to throw a jump-backkick or bent-axe kick off the front leg.

I also love when my opponent rushes in, just skipping forwards into them with my front leg bent and stopping them with my knee (knocking them slightly off balance) then as they stumble back either a simple roundhouse or jumping axe kick.

[Yang, Dae-han]

Originally posted by Disciple
Since the romanized korean is becomeing rediculous for me to type, lol, I will do it in english.

Spinning backfist followed with a back hook kick in teh same spin.

and back spinning hammer kick (neyro chagi)

Ahhh, that's neryo chagi? Never heard it called that, either way. I think the English name is 'back hook kick?' If so, we call it 뒤돌려차기 (dwi dollyo chagi ... I hate romanisation) in Korea. If not, well, 'nae-lyeo chagi'

Next point I'd like to make. I we like certain combos, but I really hope that we don't practice these in standard form. What I mean, is that although these steps are attractive AND if placed and timed well can score, we should have a good base first.

Yes, we all think we have a good base. I do everyday, then find out I am still far from what I could be.

I really do not know how you all train, but I hope that along with kicks and combo practice, Basic Steps (기본발놀림 - Gi bon ball lo lim) are learned. These are invaluable, and are the premise for sparring. In addition, we need to implement roundhouse kick with these steps (some 55 combos, with only this one kick, I counted tonight...and surely missed a few).

Along with these combos, back kick, back hook kick, push kick and axe kick will be your best friend (within and along with Basic Steps) in tournament fighting (Olympic Style).


Cheers,

Yang, Dae-han

[tkd_rules]

i went to my first tournament on the 30th of october and i didnt do to badly placing second in sparring but the people that saw my final said i could have won if i had some more combos and better techniques knowing that u guys are probably good at sparring i was wondering to get some tips on combos or techniques i could use in the next tournament .......thanks...... :bang:

[tulsatkd]

What works for me is hi/low. Any combo is fine as long as your able to get their hands up. ex. backfist to the head followed my a side kick to the abdomen. Naturally, most people's hands will go up to block the backfist which would leave part of the abdomen open. You can also go low/high. ex. double roudhouse.

Even if your opponent moves out of the way or there or no openings, always follow up and eventually you will get a hit in.

[G50]

i went to my first tournament on the 30th of october and i didnt do to badly placing second in sparring but the people that saw my final said i could have won if i had some more combos and better techniques knowing that u guys are probably good at sparring i was wondering to get some tips on combos or techniques i could use in the next tournament .......thanks...... :bang:
You could always force them to keep stepping back by charging with roundhouse kicks, double roundhouse kicks, tornado kicks, and even side kicks, just keep combining them in different ways and the opponents won't know whats going on :D ;) :woo:

[TheMadhoose]

I see this tornado kick mentioned on a regular basis here could you describe it to me as ive never heard of it
cheers

[G50]

I see this tornado kick mentioned on a regular basis here could you describe it to me as ive never heard of it
cheers
A tornado kick is where you turn 180 degrees and do a roundhouse kick while jumping. For beginners its not an easy thing to do. ;) To do a tornado kick, practice just turning and roundhouse kicking, after a while you can do the whole motion :D

[TheMadhoose]

hmmm turning 180 would mean deleviring a kick behind you.Ill asume its what we call a 360 turning kick

[Mitch]

A tornado kick is where you turn 180 degrees and do a roundhouse kick while jumping. For beginners its not an easy thing to do. ;) To do a tornado kick, practice just turning and roundhouse kicking, after a while you can do the whole motion :D

180 or 360?

How do you turn 180 (I was facing my opponent, I'm now facing away) and do a roundhouse? My poor little not-so-spinny ITFish brain is having problems :)

Mitch

[G50]

You're right, you have to turn 360 degrees, my mistake. :D ;)

[ZenPixelTKD]

i went to my first tournament on the 30th of october and i didnt do to badly placing second in sparring but the people that saw my final said i could have won if i had some more combos and better techniques knowing that u guys are probably good at sparring i was wondering to get some tips on combos or techniques i could use in the next tournament .......thanks...... :bang:


Different combinations are going to work for different people depending on their style, flexibilty etc.
If you are a jumpy sort of person slide in with a side kick and then jumping back kick is a nice easy one to start with. You are trying to score with the back kick, the side kick is more set the person up. Or even jumping side kick, spin in the air and deliver the back kick before landing.

If you are very flexible, (This is my favourite combo) Slide in with side kick. Without dropping your foot, bring you leg back to your chest and whip out a front hook then either an axe or outer cresent kick. It doesn't look as cool as the 360 turning kick, but it gets you points.

These are just some examples, you are only really limited by your imagination.
A good way of training for combinations, is to use a heavy bag, have somebody call out a random number from 1 to about 6. Whatever number they call out, thats how many attacks you do,
eg, Person calls out 3, you might do turning kick, reverse turning kick, jumping punch.
You quickly learn what combos feel good for you!

[pulp fiction]

Try doing 3 kicks combos. Normally those are effective combos. If the first or second kick doesn't score the third is likely to score.

360 turning kicks are really cool, even more 360 turning kicks to the head, you can KO your opponent with that kick.

[oni_sensei]

tkd_rules, which style of competition do you compete in, ITF or WTF (Olympic)?

[tkd_rules]

i train in authentic tkd (ITF)

[TheMadhoose]

Giving that the ITF is split into 3 different groups now which one is authentic?

[Another Muay Thai Guy]

Side kicks, lots of side kicks. :D Use it like a jab over a longer distance.

[Xue Fang]

I agree with tulsatkd. I've found that a high/low combination works well for me. I noticed after a while that when people through punches, most of them do it to the head, so I developed my sparring technique to include a good jab to the head, which they then immediately raise their arms to block, and then whilst they're doing this, going in hard with a reverse punch to the stomach, ribs, or solar plexus.

AnotherTKDGuy is right too. It's alright doing those flashy spinning kicks if you've trained to do them a long time, but for your basic beginner, its clumsy and slow and you leave yourself wide open to attack. The side kick is a good alternative. It's compact, efficient, and effective.

Some combinations which I have found fairly easy to start off with, are: axe kick to front kick, with the same leg. Side kick to turning kick with same leg. Front kick to turning kick with same leg. Also a good strong pushing kick followed up by a side kick to the ribs. A little more adventurous, you might want to try a favourite of mine - a low front kick to the ribs of the back leg, jumping into a high front kick to the head with the opposite leg.

Observing my own instructor at work, he tends to go in with a lot of jumping spinning kicks. But more importantly, I think, is that you've got to learn to think on your feet and act fast. Attacking, maybe with a two or three combo, backing off, circling, thinking about your next move for fifteen seconds and then going back in has been a trait of amateurs, or at least in our club. My instructor goes straight in, throws technique after technique, barely stopping, his opponent throws up his/her arms and cowers away, has no opportunity for a counterattack, and gets completely beaten. This always works for my instructor, even if his opponent is taller/heavier than him. Then again, I've only seen Sabum sparring against the redbelts and blacktags in our club so maybe if he came up against another 4th Dan it'd be different.

My final advice would be just explore the possibilities. Try out different combos and see what works best for you. Hope it works out for ya.

[neryo_tkd]

Side kicks, lots of side kicks. :D Use it like a jab over a longer distance.


yes, if you can use them properly and fast enough.

[richt_uk]

My only advice is to keep it simple. At every competition, you see some fantastic kickers who throw really flashy kicks, but as soon as you attack them with simple techniques (for me this would be side kicks, followed by plenty of punches to the head, and then once they're moving away a turning/roundhouse kick to the head) they have nothing.

Find out what you find scores you points easily, and practise it until you are the best at that technique/combination. You'll often find that the most successful fighters aren't the most watched or even the most well known, they're the ones who do the basic things to win fights.

Having said that, my current faviourite technique is a front leg 45 degree kick (like a roundhouse to the ribs), followed by a jump turning kick off the other leg. It does score points, but you have to set your opponent up for it which is very difficult.

[oni_sensei]

Giving that the ITF is split into 3 different groups now which one is authentic?

I think he means Authentic Taekwon-Do, led by Master Jamie Moore, am I correct, tkd_rules?

[ZenPixelTKD]

TKD Rules...

Are you in Australia? Cause in Australia (For those who don't know) there is a club, or more a series of clubs, called Authentic TaekwonDo, the owner of which is Master Jamie Moore. Its ITF (Under Chang Ung). I guess he just decided to call it "Authentic"

... well it does sound better than "Moore TaekwonDo"!!!

[tkd_rules]

I think he means Authentic Taekwon-Do, led by Master Jamie Moore, am I correct, tkd_rules?
yeah your right

[Another Muay Thai Guy]

yes, if you can use them properly and fast enough.
But that applies to pretty much every technique doesn't it?

[G50]

Always remember - Side Kicks are the most powerful kicks you can use, so most of the time if you use them correctly you can deliver a powerful blow

[Burnsey]

I agree with you richt uk. If you can get someone on the back foot with a good turning kick, back kick combo and then keep punching them very quickly (I think this is called a straight blast, im not sure) then it can yield results. You should land at least 1 punch (1 point - Note in a flurry you ca only get 1 point max in ITF Sparring) and it can also force opponents out of the ring, shake them up a bit or if your really lucky get them to fall over.

However watch out for the counter when punching, if the set up kicks arent good then a nice jumping back kick to the stomach can stop you in your tracks. Also even though most ITF sparring is no or semi contact if your moving towards the opponent then they woulf not be breaking the rules if they KO'd you. Ive seen it happen.

[Hapuka]

Any good ITF combo's?

[pulp fiction]

The best combos are the ones that you can do perfectly.

[ronaldk]

so... yeah, its about time we standardized our korean phonetic names.

first things first. i learn most kick names in korean, and call them obvious names in spanish (ie. dolyo chagi we call the circular kick or something like a "turning" kick. i assume thats what is meant by a "turning kick" by you guys. generally, we just call kick names in korean)

but i have a few questions as to what you guys call things

"reverse turning kick"
"twist kick"
"turning side kick" (sometimes i see people use this to talk about a back kick, where a turning side kick sounds like a spinning yop chagi to me, and a back kick has you striking with a foot in a different position than a yop chagi would)
etc.

also, you guys use the term neryo chagi, and i asked a 2nd dan at my school today about it. she says she has heard the term as well. but here, my master, and our grandmaster (7th dan) refers to it as "chirap chagi" (or something to that extent. any insight?

so, anyways, im gonna post the names i use, someone please give me the names you use in english to define these kicks, as i am really confused sometimes.

ap chagi - front kick
dolyo chagi - circular kick
yop chagi - side kick
dwit chagi - back kick
modolyo chagi - hook kick (spin kick with the heel as striking part)
chirap chagi - axe kick
ap chanoki (or something, i may be complete off here, i forget) - front push kick
we call the 360 dolyo a "tornado" here, dunno if it's used elsewhere

thats about it for now. any help is much appreciated.

[neryo_tkd]

The best combos are the ones that you can do perfectly.


i'd say the best combos are the ones that have results. if you do a combo perfectly, does that also mean that you scored or just did the techniques perfectly?


regarding the combos, well, when you do a round kick and your opponent moves and you don't score, let's suppose that your opponent will attack, so after the round kick, you continue with another technique, a dwit chagi, a pandae or simply another dollyo chagi.

[pulp fiction]

i'd say the best combos are the ones that have results. if you do a combo perfectly, does that also mean that you scored or just did the techniques perfectly?


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Oh yes, I wanted to say something like that. I agree with you Neryo. If they score they are perfect. There is no point in doing a combo perfectly if it doesn't score.

[One Man Circus]

At my dojang...

Reverse turning kick = Bandae dollyo chagi
Twisting kick = bituro chagi
Turning side kick = Bandae yop chagi
Downward (axe) kick = Naeryo chagi
Front push kick = no idea, but front = ap, pushing = Miro and kick = chagi

Pheonetic spellings never entirely work, because they depend on your regional english accent

As to combinations, generally I attack the guard / technique, head, then body, or guard / technique, body then head. I try not to be too rigid about which techniques I use. Typical combinations would be:

Axe kick down onto the guard / kick, reverse knife hand to the head, reverse side kick if they stand there, turning if they circle.

Cresent kick into someones guard / punch, turning kick off the same leg to the body, blitz their face

[ronaldk]

i try to keep it simple. then again, i'm a noob compared to most of you.

i like to use 2 dolyo chagis, at a slightly closer range than necessary, to give a false perspective of my reach. if they step out, a step-in sidekick will normally reach perfectly. if they don't, i'll follow up with a tornado or a hook kick.

when close up, i like to use a punch to the stomach to push them back a bit, follow up with a dolyo and a back kick.

so far, i'm not happy with my axe kick enough to use it as part of a technique. not to mention i spar 95% of the time with a very good friend, and that kick hurts.

anyways, for a quick strike, i like to fake a dolyo chagi, spin forward and follow up with a back kick. it appears you can't repeat these kind of fake-outs though.

[Bruce Lee II]

yo listen. a tornado kick is either a half turn or a 90 degree turn, depending on the person who does it. not a 360 a 720/540 hook kick is really a full turn. not 2 or 1 and half. ok? heres if your confused OR disagreeing.- ppl think tornado kick is full turn because " you start with one leg in front, and you land with the same position). ok? BUT. youre not in the air that whole time. youre in the air onc youve lifted the knee and thekicking foot is off the floor. by the time the foot is off the floor, you have around 120 degrees left iuntill you land again.


for the topic question, mr fav combo is. step back, rounhouse kick, and as they come in, a double roundhouse, followed by a clench or punch. ok bie