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Shortfuse
19-Nov-2003, 11:58 PM
ok, from what i have gathered this is what sums up what i found out with the help pf this site and one other:

Shaolin Kung Fu can be broadly divided into Northern and Southern styles. Northern Shaolin Kung Fu often uses low stances, high kicks and long arm movements because in the cold winters people often wear heavy padded jackets which restrict arm motion and protect the body from light blows. Low stances help keep your balance on rough, hilly ground.

Southern Shaolin Kung Fu, on the other hand, often uses high stances, low kicks and more hand techniques. This style was often used by boatmen who had well-developed upper bodies from rowing boats. In China, when they talk about Kung Fu they say," Southern hand, Northern foot" .

Shaolin stances are often named for animals and imitate the movements of the tiger, snake, crane, leopard, monkey etc. Some of the wonderfully imaginative names are" golden rooster stands on one leg" ," wave hands at clouds" ," parting the wild horse' s mane" .

Shaolin Kung Fu styles are often called external styles, because they begin with strength training and physical conditioning. Tai Chi and other styles such as Hsing I (mind-body boxing) and Pa Kua (eight trigrams boxing) are called internal styles because they start trying to develop the internal Chi power at the beginning of training. The internal styles are practised for health and longevity as well as self-defence.

In addition to developing fighting techniques and the strength of the body, many Kung Fu masters say that long practice develops a mysterious" life force" called Chi. They say that this energy moves in channels throughout the body, and that when the energy is blocked anywhere the body becomes sick. Techniques like acupuncture are used to unblock the channels and restore the free flow of Chi. For this reason many Kung Fu masters are also doctors of traditional Chinese medicine. They say that if you learn to hurt the body, you must also learn to heal.

Kung Fu was once taught only to Chinese people, and even in China sometimes only to members of certain families. Nowadays it is taught all over the world, to people of all nations and races. The Chinese consider it a part of their heritage and are proud that the whole world wants to learn about their ancient culture.

(englishencyclopedia.com)

Smee
20-Nov-2003, 12:07 AM
You can now truly call yourself a master....

:D

Knew you were trolling......

Shortfuse
20-Nov-2003, 12:15 AM
pity though, i still have questions even after all that extensive research

Smee
20-Nov-2003, 12:22 AM
u cheeky monkey u....

and I genuinely tried to help u - hope u feel guilty but I doubt it...

:D

paul

PantherFist
20-Nov-2003, 02:03 AM
One of the things that catogorizes the Northern styles is the footwork, it is usually more advanced and active than Southern styles. So usually because of this the Northern styles tend to favour more higher/upright stances for better manovability, because if the stance is too low you give up on speed, and move more sluggish. It is usually the Southern styles that tend to use low stances, to generate power and to dig in when attacked, the complete opposite of the Northern styles who prefer to use fancy footwork to get away from an attack.

Shortfuse
20-Nov-2003, 02:07 AM
thank u , btw i genuinly appriciate any responses helpful or not

shunyadragon
04-Dec-2003, 10:30 AM
It sounds like by your description that Northern Shaolin more closely resembles Tai Kwan Do, lots of foot work and high kicks. A real disaster. Sounds like Mohammod Ali on roller blades.

Shortfuse
05-Dec-2003, 12:03 AM
LOL

zhaoyun1122
08-Dec-2003, 10:55 PM
Originally posted by Chaz
One of the things that catogorizes the Northern styles is the footwork, it is usually more advanced and active than Southern styles. So usually because of this the Northern styles tend to favour more higher/upright stances for better manovability, because if the stance is too low you give up on speed, and move more sluggish. It is usually the Southern styles that tend to use low stances, to generate power and to dig in when attacked, the complete opposite of the Northern styles who prefer to use fancy footwork to get away from an attack.

I beg to differ .. :) Southern stances are higher than the northenr ones. Which is weird 'cuz you'd get better balance in boats if you did lower stances .. :)

However, when u see people who do wing chun attack and do their forms, they are standing almost totally upright!

Northern people are always in their low stances. Mind you, YES when you fight, you can stand up. However, if you learnt to move FAST when u were low, think of how much faster you'd move when you're up? :)

Northern punches also have a different range than southern punches .. Northern punches are LONG. So you need to have a long (and therefore low) stance to counter the long strikes or you'd have balance issues. :)

Southern people can afford shorter (and higher) stances 'cuz they do shorter punches.

Incidentally, while white crane and wing chun, 2 southern styles i know of are high (and use short punches), wushu's "nan quan" uses long attacks and have low stances, further emphasizing what I just said about the punches and stances being related.

Of course the geography does play a role too as pointed out before. All goes together.

At least that is what I gather having studied both north and south styles. Of course there's the anomalies like Choy Ley Fut .. :) .. Southern hands w/ northern legs .. hehe :)

SoKKlab
09-Dec-2003, 11:21 AM
Originally posted by zhaoyun1122
I beg to differ .. :) Southern stances are higher than the northenr ones. Which is weird 'cuz you'd get better balance in boats if you did lower stances .. :)


Northern people are always in their low stances.
Northern punches also have a different range than southern punches .. Northern punches are LONG.

Southern people can afford shorter (and higher) stances 'cuz they do shorter punches.

Hmmmm,
A little less Generalising would be useful here. Some Northern Styles, Some! Not all

Northern Chinese Arts are not all Long ranging or training with Low Stances.

Hsing-I, Seven star and other Northern Mantis systems, Mi-Zhong etc don't have Low stances or use particularly long Range movements. There are many others that don't either.

Sure Nan Quan, Tan Tui etc are all long range stuff but not all not all...

zhaoyun1122
09-Dec-2003, 04:02 PM
hehe, :) what I *meant* to illustrate anyhow, was that arts that use LONG attacks, use LONG stances and arts that use SHORT attacks use SHORT stances. :) .. "generally speaking" of course, there might be exceptions?

I know when I use shorter attacks in CLF, I am taught to shorten up my stances anyways.

Power generation is slightly different too. Just a lil. :)

Shortfuse
09-Dec-2003, 09:09 PM
longer???

TM77
13-Feb-2004, 08:07 PM
I beg to differ .. :) Southern stances are higher than the northenr ones. Which is weird 'cuz you'd get better balance in boats if you did lower stances .. :)

However, when u see people who do wing chun attack and do their forms, they are standing almost totally upright!

Northern people are always in their low stances. Mind you, YES when you fight, you can stand up. However, if you learnt to move FAST when u were low, think of how much faster you'd move when you're up? :)

Northern punches also have a different range than southern punches .. Northern punches are LONG. So you need to have a long (and therefore low) stance to counter the long strikes or you'd have balance issues. :)

Southern people can afford shorter (and higher) stances 'cuz they do shorter punches.

Incidentally, while white crane and wing chun, 2 southern styles i know of are high (and use short punches), wushu's "nan quan" uses long attacks and have low stances, further emphasizing what I just said about the punches and stances being related.

Of course the geography does play a role too as pointed out before. All goes together.

At least that is what I gather having studied both north and south styles. Of course there's the anomalies like Choy Ley Fut .. :) .. Southern hands w/ northern legs .. hehe :)


It all depends on the style. Yes wing chun uses a high fighting stance and there are NO low stances involved. But southern Shaolin 5 animal style has got plenty of low stances...the tiger and leopard in particular. I don't know much about 7 Star praying mantis(northern), but judging from the video I saw featuring the late Grandmaster Brendan Lai, he used NO low stances while demonstrating applications taken from the form. Tai chi chuan originated in the north but for the most part takes a higher stance and is certainly better suited for close range fighting. These are just a few examples.