300 spartans warrior body

[JaxMMA]

I couldn't resist but to ask this question:
Would it be possible to achieve such a body, without crossfit training, at the gym with weights,cardio, and martial arts training?

[Shadow_of_Evil]

:bang:

[JaxMMA]

:bang:

Don't get me wrong, I'm not attempting this :)

[slipthejab]

I couldn't resist but to ask this question:
Would it be possible to achieve such a body, without crossfit training, at the gym with weights,cardio, and martial arts training?

err... you mean by osmosis?

[Ad McG]

err... you mean by osmosis?

He means not by cross fit training, but by using weights, cardio and MA.

Yes it is very possible using weight training... and some make up :p

[JaxMMA]

He means not by cross fit training, but by using weights, cardio and MA.

Yes it is very possible using weight training... and some make up :p

I understand that those actors don't look all that ripped out without the special fx and cg. My question was more oriented towards training for useful strenght, rather than bodybuilding.
I appreciate the usefull response to this topic.

[SteelyPhil]

err... you mean by osmosis?

All osmosis does it make you retain water to the point of Isotonicness :D

I imagine its possible to get a 300 level spartan warrior body, afterall they worked out to get it? Or did they not?

[Sparkle]

I couldn't resist but to ask this question:
Would it be possible to achieve such a body, without crossfit training, at the gym with weights,cardio, and martial arts training?

Cross Training - Cross training also known as conditioning refers to training in different ways to improve overall performance. It takes advantage of the particular effectiveness of each training method, while at the same time attempting to neglect the shortcomings of that method by combining it with other methods that address its weaknesses.

(As said by Wiki)

1.) Weights
2.) Cardio
3.) Martial Arts Training

So you want to do this without cross training by . . . cross training? Or am I just reading this wrong?

[Blevunly]

Cross Training - Cross training also known as conditioning refers to training in different ways to improve overall performance. It takes advantage of the particular effectiveness of each training method, while at the same time attempting to neglect the shortcomings of that method by combining it with other methods that address its weaknesses.

(As said by Wiki)

1.) Weights
2.) Cardio
3.) Martial Arts Training

So you want to do this without cross training by . . . cross training? Or am I just reading this wrong?

Crossfit training is what he was referring to. Which is high volume endurance stuff usually mixed in with some strength work.

www.crossfit.com

[Shadow_of_Evil]

I understand that those actors don't look all that ripped out without the special fx and cg

Mate, there was no visual effects used to make those actors looked "ripped". Make up, yes, VFX/CG...no.

[JaxMMA]

Crossfit training is what he was referring to. Which is high volume endurance stuff usually mixed in with some strength work.

www.crossfit.com

High reps - low weight and short rest periods?

[Shadow_of_Evil]

Don't forget the HTFU pills either.

[JaxMMA]

Don't forget the HTFU pills either.

HTFU Pills? Never heard of it...

[Mark Cotton]

Eating very clean.

[Shadow_of_Evil]

HTFU pills. We got them in the army.
They toughen you up. ;)

[Gary]

HTFU Pills? Never heard of it...
they're not real pills, it's an acronym.

[Nick K]

Back to original poster

Yes of course it is. Crossfit however is a not bad way to get that look, PROVIDED you've got reasonable muscles to start with and you are meticulous with your diet.

Before you ask, I don't and I am not.

[JaxMMA]

Back to original poster

Yes of course it is. Crossfit however is a not bad way to get that look, PROVIDED you've got reasonable muscles to start with and you are meticulous with your diet.

Before you ask, I don't and I am not.

I wasn't going to :)
Cool sig :D

[JaxMMA]

they're not real pills, it's an acronym.

Acronym? Is that in Ohio? :D
Thx


HTFU pills. We got them in the army.
They toughen you up.

Something like steroids?

[Hiroji]

Give it up.

None of those guys were as cut as they looked on the film.

Its called FX.

[JaxMMA]

Give it up.

None of those guys were as cut as they looked on the film.

Its called FX.

Well of course not. Strict diet and hours of exercise before shooting in front of the green screen. But still, they didn't look like a bunch of body builders with shaved chest and bikinis nor did they look like Sammo Hung.

[Achilles]

Give it up.

None of those guys were as cut as they looked on the film.

Its called FX.


Actually they were.

[harhar]

Am I the only one that noticed the makeup to make the muscles look more defined in 300?

[slipthejab]

Well of course not. Strict diet and hours of exercise before shooting in front of the green screen. But still, they didn't look like a bunch of body builders with shaved chest and bikinis nor did they look like Sammo Hung.

You must not be watching the same 300 as the rest of us then.
They looked hilarious. Strutting around chickenwinged and shouting 'SPARTA!!!'
They could have achieved the same thing by going to an amatuerbody building contest and handing out scripts. :p On top of that they were all as hairless as the latest crop of metrosexual Calvin Klein ads.

[JaxMMA]

You must not be watching the same 300 as the rest of us then.
They looked hilarious. Strutting around chickenwinged and shouting 'SPARTA!!!'
They could have achieved the same thing by going to an amatuerbody building contest and handing out scripts. :p On top of that they were all as hairless as the latest crop of metrosexual Calvin Klein ads.

I'm sure I 've seen the same movie as everyone else :)
But they did not look anything like this:
http://www.geocities.com/gymcentertr/galeri/ron1/coleman_16.JPG
IMO they are the closest thing to represent spartan warriors in any hollywood movie so far. Sure they were shouting SPARTA and such, but it's all part of the movie. They did as they were told.

[Shadow_of_Evil]

Something like steroids?

No...they are: Harden The Freak Up pills.

[slipthejab]

I'm sure I 've seen the same movie as everyone else :)
But they did not look anything like this:
*snip*
IMO they are the closest thing to represent spartan warriors in any hollywood movie so far.

err... you do realize that Ronnie is at the top of heap right? You did read and understand what I posted right? You do realize that Ronnie is Mr. O right? You do realize that he's not even remotely close to an amatuer bodybuilder right?

I suggest if you think that Spartans actually looked like the beefcake in 300... then you really need to start looking at the bigger picture. You're trying to compare the accuracy of their look against Hollywood. That doesn't make any sense... Hollywood is all about suspended reality.

Again - take a look at my earlier comments in this thread and others on 300. Spartans wouldn't have been waxed down smooth and nubile. Ever seen a nude Greek or Persian? :p

They ain't exactly on the smooth and nubile side.

They also wouldn't have had that sort of mass. Think about it... that sort of mass comes primarily from weight room workouts to build that sort of mass... not exactly the day to day life of Spartans or extended warfare that would have required a completely different form of muscular endurance.

[JaxMMA]

err... you do realize that Ronnie is at the top of heap right? You did read and understand what I posted right? You do realize that Ronnie is Mr. O right? You do realize that he's not even remotely close to an amatuer bodybuilder right?

I suggest if you think that Spartans actually looked like the beefcake in 300... then you really need to start looking at the bigger picture. You're trying to compare the accuracy of their look against Hollywood. That doesn't make any sense... Hollywood is all about suspended reality.

Again - take a look at my earlier comments in this thread and others on 300. Spartans wouldn't have been waxed down smooth and nubile. Ever seen a nude Greek or Persian? :p

They ain't exactly on the smooth and nubile side.

They also wouldn't have had that sort of mass. Think about it... that sort of mass comes primarily from weight room workouts to build that sort of mass... not exactly the day to day life of Spartans or extended warfare that would have required a completely different form of muscular endurance.

First off all I know Ronnie Coleman, I've met him in person couple of times and I know he's not an amateur.
Second I do agree with you. Spartan warriors might have not looked like that in the past. But do you know how they did look like? Any proof?
Who would you suggest to represent spartan warriors in the movie? It's hollywood...they have to make it look good and interesting, even if it means waxing chest.
Many of you here say this and that about 300 movie. You find all the little things you don't like, but still you all went to see it. It's a movie...take it for what it is.

My original question was about obtaining that kind of look they had in the movie...not whether they actually looked like that 2000-3000 years ago.

BTW: I've seen a nude greek girl :) And she was smooth :D

[JayKayD]

Firstly, Greek girls have hairy arms.

On the topic of 300, i think its a bit unfair on the actors to say it was all makeup, FX or whatever, because from the sounds of it they trained really hard. Just read http://www.gymjones.com/knowledge.php?id=35 originally posted here by Cuchulain.

Also, other than the hairlessness, im not convinced they couldn't have looked like that. If you look at artworks from that period, warriors are usually depicted along those lines. Obviously they probably all didnt look like that, but if fighting/working out is their full time job they are bound to be pretty big.

Also, bear in mind it was not just a movie, but a comic book movie, so they are bound to exaggerate.

[Hiroji]

Am I the only one that noticed the makeup to make the muscles look more defined in 300?

No!

[Hiroji]

This is the only Greek body im aiming for :p

[cheesypeas]

This is the only Greek body im aiming for :p

Knowing you, H....you'd miss!!!! :p :love:

[Angelus]

geez...the key is photoshop... i thought everybody knew that..

[Hiroji]

Knowing you, H....you'd miss!!!! :p :love:

Nah, shed turn me down because im too good looking for her and it would make her insecure... :p :D

[Hiroji]

geez...the key is photoshop... i thought everybody knew that..


It’s actually getting worrying that some people can no longer tell what is real and what isn’t.

[slipthejab]

First off all I know Ronnie Coleman, I've met him in person couple of times and I know he's not an amateur.

Good for you.:)


Second I do agree with you. Spartan warriors might have not looked like that in the past. But do you know how they did look like? Any proof?

I think it's not all that hard to surmise how they would have looked... between now and then humans haven't changed all that much. I think you could look around at any job today that requires a good amount of physical labor and you'd be getting pretty close to how Spartans looked.

Take your average road laborer or construction laborer... the ones we have here in Hong Kong are tough as nails... they do the dirtiest hardest jobs day in day out - the physical world is their world. They have a physicality about them that would be very similar to a professional soldier of antiquity. Soldiers of old spent a massive amount of time marching... so they're most likely going to be sinewy and have great muscular endurance.

I think your average soldier in the days of antiquity is going to look far closer to a modern day laborer (think construction/fisherman/steelworker) than it is to what's represented in the film.


Who would you suggest to represent spartan warriors in the movie? It's hollywood...they have to make it look good and interesting, even if it means waxing chest.

No they don't... that's a cop out. That's like saying that if it were realistic that no one would go to watch it. That's a rubbish argument. I understand that it was based on a comic book (I've followed Frank Miller for many years) but I find it silly that so many people now are jumping on board and saying 'Yes that's what Spartan's actually looked like' :D


Many of you here say this and that about 300 movie. You find all the little things you don't like, but still you all went to see it. It's a movie...take it for what it is.

Err... so. Your point being? It'd be hard to for us to comment on us if we hadn't seen it. So your point is neither here nor there. I have no problem for taking it as a movie... but I do have a problem when people start saying that the warriors of antiquity look like muscle bound beef cake that has more in common with Calvin Klein homo-eroticism than it does with warriors of era's past.

My original question was about obtaining that kind of look they had in the movie...not whether they actually looked like that 2000-3000 years ago.

Fair enough. Yes you could obtain that look if you spent enough time in the gym and ate and slept right.

BTW: I've seen a nude greek girl :) And she was smooth :D
:D

[JaxMMA]

Soldiers of old spent a massive amount of time marching... so they're most likely going to be sinewy and have great muscular endurance.

I think your average soldier in the days of antiquity is going to look far closer to a modern day laborer (think construction/fisherman/steelworker) than it is to what's represented in the film.

I think we are getting to the same page :)

As you said soldiers of old spent lot of time marching which would contribute to muscle endurance. I'm sure they did some other training such as sword/spear fighting, wresteling, and bodybuilding exercises. Now, to present that in a movie, director is not going to use bunch of road workers. The point of the movie is to make the spartan warriors look tough, strong, ripped...even if they didn't actually look ripped like that during the sparta-days.

[harhar]

This is the only Greek body im aiming for :p
Too much clothing

[Shadow_of_Evil]

I've seen a nude greek girl And she was smooth

One in a million then. Most Greek girls I've met could buckle a train track.

[JaxMMA]

I've seen a nude greek girl And she was smooth

One in a million then. Most Greek girls I've met could buckle a train track.

You were at the wrong place probably :)