Strange and exotic weapons?

[Darkflames21]

Has anybody trained or saw strange and exotic weapons(like hook swords, fire and wind wheels)? Not weapons that are used for display. try to include websites or pictures.

here are some i saw: http://www.superiormartialarts.com/cgi-bin/uniform/perlshop.cgi?ACTION=thispage&thispage=doubleweapons.html&ORDER_ID=305792097&affiliate=!affiliate!

[Darkflames21]

here is their weapons webpage:

http://www.superiormartialarts.com/cgi-bin/uniform/perlshop.cgi?ACTION=thispage&thispage=weapons.html&ORDER_ID=305792097&affiliate=!affiliate!

[#1 Stutta]

Those are actually weapons? Cool!

[Zero Vector 0]

a katar

its a punching dagger

probably not that exotic, but its not common


usually a single triangular blade

but sometimes 3 blades(straight or angled)

and sometimes with with 2 blades sticking out of the sides(as guards)

[Reiki]

I DO like these weapons!
wonder if I can get some of these into the country......

:D

[ICT]

Here is a nice little gut ripper called the Kerambit!

http://fcskali.tripod.com/filipinocombatsystems/id34.html

Sincerely,
Teacher: Eddie Ivester

[Darkflames21]

here are some good ones: http://www.e-budokai.com/articles/weapons.htm

[Reiki]

some rather neato stuff!

now drooling on the keyboard

:D

[Darkflames21]

does anynoby have more strange and exotic weapons?

[Zero Vector 0]

urumi

its a sword made of a flexable metal

a sword whip, both sides are sharpened and you can wear it as a belt!

the thought of using that weapon scares me

http://hindunet.org/saraswati/katar3.jpg

http://www.kalaripayattu.org/images/jpeg/fs1.jpg

[zun]

I've seen that weapon on TV used by warriors of Kerala, India.

They were practising on each as in the above the picture - fast! One of the guys got cut.

A skilled person with the flexibile sword could hold off twenty attackers.

The flexibility of the sword is the most difficult to counter as it would bend around (taichi, katanas, broadswords, etc) swords and still cut.

I believe the chinese also have something similar.

[Darkflames21]

http://www.chinese-weapon.com/eng2.htm
here are some strange chinese weapons

[Darkflames21]

anybody else? Lets keep it going.

[Reiki]

nice katar.....

:)

[Shaolin Dragon]

Chinese roundhammer - basically a big iron ball attached to a handle

[Cudgel]

so it would be a mace then

[Shaolin Dragon]

No, the ball is about the size of a melon and the handle is only long enough to grip so that the ball is touching your hand

[Reiki]

sounds rather "interesting!"

[phooey]

Weaponry of any shape / type falls into 3 basic categories.
long weaponry
short weaponry
flexible weaponry

learn how to manipulate each basic type and you will see anything no matter how obscure as just a variation on one of these themes.

How deep you go into each category is another question.

[Darkflames21]

Im more of a short weapons person. I like to counter and attack as quick as possible.

[Cudgel]

its still a mace
regardless of how large the head is or hwo short the handle is.
maces were rather short weapons any ways.

Maybe you think i mean flail?


you could also class weapons on how they balance and how htey would strikeas well as sive and length
ie
impact weapons/weapons blanced towrds the head
Axes clubs maces and hammers and heavier polearms
weapons blanced towards teh hand
sticks swords staves light polearnms
fistloads
abnd becasue they need their own class flexiblwe weapons.
Steel whips 3 section rods flails nuchucku

[Shaolin Dragon]

I suppose it could be classed as a mace, but it is unlike any other mace I come across. I interpret "mace" to mean a small rod or staff weighted at one end.

You can also get polearm-type weapons with heads on both ends.

[Spikedude]

you looking for chinese or japanese weapons?

i know that kung fu have some like the wolf teeth staff, hammer, and wooden stool ( im not joking bout the stool)

[Cudgel]

well technicallly all pole arms have heads on both ends someof htem just have a plain wooden head. :D
AND goign by that a pollaxe would be an exotic weapon cause it has a spear head ,a back spike, a hammer head or axe head and a butt spike.


Well there we go I think of mace as a metal club no matter the size and the rouhd hammer would still be stick or what not with a metal weight its jsut a really short mace.

[Shaolin Dragon]

Originally posted by Spikedude
you looking for chinese or japanese weapons?

i know that kung fu have some like the wolf teeth staff, hammer, and wooden stool ( im not joking bout the stool)

Well, Cudgel would tell you they are all just maces.:)

[xan]

i cant remember what it was called...but it was an ordinary looking knife. after you stabb someone you would press a button and the blad would split in three. the blades connected at the hilt.
it was used for gutting

[juramentado]

Buntot ng Pagi (stingray tail)

It's the tail of a stingray, dried and used as a whip. Even when dry the whip still has the venom on it and the enemy gets it when hit with the whip. They say the wound takes forever to heal and you've never the same after getting a dose of the venom.

Still quite popular in some areas of the Philippines. Folklore says that demons fear this weapon.

[Noob]

Mandarin Duck Razors, (http://shop.store.yahoo.com/martialartsmart/45-78.html)

Found these by accident, was looking for Butterfly Swords and have to admit I didn't know such an odd weapon existed. Also called Yuen Yang Razors, anyone know anything more about them. As in are they really real? and what arts use them?

[Cudgel]

Originally posted by Shaolin Dragon
Well, Cudgel would tell you they are all just maces.:)


Are you mocking me?:eek:


Cause if you were I would have to........... do nothing:D

[quartermaster]

i find most of what you are talking about on http:\\martialartsmart.com/
look mainly in the chinese weapons section

[Shaolin Dragon]

Originally posted by Cudgel
Are you mocking me?:eek:


Cause if you were I would have to........... do nothing:D

:D

[Sub zero]

Zero vector i don't se ehow those twon images u posted are the same weapons?

The ones at the top remind me of a certain arcade game character.........

[krys]

I once trained with a sword made from a swordfish noose....
In the Philippines tails of mantha rays are also used in the southern provinces....
By the way relatively long fishes can also be used to fight :D

[Maximicus]

For strange I would say dismembered limbs. For exotic.... Hmm, adouble sided sword with a human thigh bone as a handle.

[PantherFist]

With out a doubt this is a strange weapon, looks more like a coat hanger "The Nine Dragon Trident".


http://64.224.111.216/archives/kki/1986/mar86/weapons/weapons.html

[Maximicus]

I know I know, my hands!

[Reiki]

Originally posted by Chaz
With out a doubt this is a strange weapon, looks more like a coat hanger "The Nine Dragon Trident".


http://64.224.111.216/archives/kki/1986/mar86/weapons/weapons.html

that's a tasty looking thing.......

[Maximicus]

Gee, China was the ONLY place to use spears... they invented 'em:rolleyes: RIGHT

[Infesticon #1]

Originally posted by krys
I once trained with a sword made from a swordfish noose....
In the Philippines tails of mantha rays are also used in the southern provinces....
By the way relatively long fishes can also be used to fight :D

I'm sorry, but I can't help but think of a certain Monty Python sketch about that :D

[Reiki]

Originally posted by Infesticon #1
I'm sorry, but I can't help but think of a certain Monty Python sketch about that :D

something about a paper bag me thinks..?

[Cudgel]

Originally posted by Maximicus
Gee, China was the ONLY place to use spears... they invented 'em:rolleyes: RIGHT

Ofcourse just like only Japan makes good swords. :D

[Shaolin Dragon]

Bah!

Go to Scotland.

Get a claymore.

[Cudgel]

Naw Good ole USA made sidesword for me. Much better than some expensive shiney to hang on my mantal that I would be afriad to use.

[Shaolin Dragon]

Axes are so much more fun than swords.

I wouldn't mind trying out one of those klingon B'atleths, though...

[Cudgel]

NO REAAALLLLLYYYY!!!!!???????


LOL

Ofcourse axes are mor fun than swords you can hook some ones leg out from under them and then split their skull or hookk their weapon and puch then in the face, or choke up ont he haft an use the axe head as brawling aid.


I think some one found a site that sell battle worthy b'atleths but im not sure. I will fin out thoiugh.

[Shaolin Dragon]

The gunblade used by that dude in Final Fantasy Something was actually based on an historical weapon.

Boomerangs also spring to mind.

[Reiki]

Have you ever chucked a boomerang and had the thing come back???

I've lost several and there must be literally thousands of the things missing in action all over the world....

:)

[khafra]

Wait. I'm going to need to see a reference on that--the gunblade is a historical weapon? I mean, perhaps someone once made an awkward fusion of revolver and blade, but a real weapon used by more than one person?

[Reiki]

I read something once about a pair of ladies shoes with titanium bladed high heels... they were classified as dangerous and banned.. I'll see if I can find the link

They could be rather useful, couldnt they! :D

[Cudgel]

I've seen historiacl gun swords as well gun maces and gun hammers. it was back inthe days when firearms were single shot afairs I beleive. then when you fired your shot you could still use the weapon.

[chungmoomonkey]

hay that hand thing was in amovie i saw and its in dieblo 2

[Stolenbjorn]

Originally posted by Cudgel
I've seen historiacl gun swords as well gun maces and gun hammers. it was back inthe days when firearms were single shot afairs I beleive. then when you fired your shot you could still use the weapon.

The source isn't the best (a dubious childrensbook about Africa...), but anyway there it is a picture of an Arabic punchingdagger with two pistolbarrels, one at each side of the blade. By squeezing the grip, you fire the barrels. I cannot remember wether both went off on one squeeze, or if one barrel went off pr. squeeze.

Anyway, if you go to europe in the 15th and 16th century, you'll find some pretty wierd stuff!

-like a all in one wambrace/shield/sword, to use by a mounted knight for his left arm

-multibarreled guns/handcannons (often linded out like a fan so that you got a really good spread)

[Shaolin Dragon]

Originally posted by khafra
Wait. I'm going to need to see a reference on that--the gunblade is a historical weapon? I mean, perhaps someone once made an awkward fusion of revolver and blade, but a real weapon used by more than one person?


There are several examples I have come across, ranging from about the napoleonic to the modern bayonet (which is basically the same thing).


The Frank Wesson dagger-pistol patented in 1868 was a two-shot .41in pistol with a short blade protruding between the barrels.

The sort which is more blade than gun is from around the napoleonic era, I believe.

Besides that many custom and civilian weapons in particular have had an integral blade

Historically speaking gunblades are not particularly good weapons, as the blade causes the shot to be innacurate, and the grip is not that good for use as a sword. Certainly they would not have been used as the example in Final Fantasy was.

[Maximicus]

Any pictures or links to the gun/sword combos?

[Shaolin Dragon]

http://store.yahoo.com/gun-sword/pirboarcut.html
http://www.sell-free.com/Excalibur/4guns.html

[Shaolin Dragon]

If you are trying to find anything on the net, don't use the word gunblade!!!!

Try out Gun/sword combination, Swordgun or variations thereof if you don't want reams about FF.

[Darkflames21]

here's one. http://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images/view?back=http%3a//images.search.yahoo.com/search/images%3fp=knife%2bgun%26ei=UTF-8%26n=20%26fl=0&h=1133&w=1250&imgurl=www.mpoetc.org/Photos/Officer%2520Safety/knife%2520gun.gif&name=%3cb%3eknife%3c/b%3e+%3cb%3egun%3c/b%3e.gif&p=knife+gun&rurl=http://www.mpoetc.org/Newsletters/2002%2006/T_Article.htm&no=1&tt=626

[Maximicus]

Those things look sweet, but probbably not efective, the gun would be hard to aim and hold, and the blade would be unbalanced. The first one looked kewl, but the knife would be most practacle. Best left as novelties.

[Reiki]

I just bought a great book at my MA shop on obscure Japanese weapons.

There are some really weird things in there including horse needles and other interesting weapons that u will all love...

[Darkflames21]

what is the name of the book? I would like to read it. does it have pictures?

[Shaolin Dragon]

Read an article in a magazine today that I just had to mention about a new gun design which allows you to shoot around corners!! :D

[Reiki]

Originally posted by Darkflames21
what is the name of the book? I would like to read it. does it have pictures?

It has lots of pix! It was quite expensive [$80] but worth the money IMHO. There's a lot of obscure yet interesting stuff there. Will post details later.

When I have time I will scan some of the pix and put them on my site with the bo katas.

[Reiki]

The book title is:

Classical Weaponry of Japan
-Special Weapons and Tactics of the Martial Arts
by Serge Mol
ISBN 4-7700-2941-1
1st edition printed in 2003

I bought it in my MA shop, you may be able to get it thru Amazon or thru www.abe.com for a 2nd hand one later on - these guys are a good source of rare & out of print older books, I have bought many from them on other subjects.

It has a lot of interesting things in it from Kakute, marohoshi, all sorts of small hand held weapons, bladed & truncheon weapons, through to things like tekken, musashi kaiken, konpi and kusaririyuta.

[Darkflames21]

Thanks Reiki for the information.

[Tatsumaru]

Call me lame but i find that many exotic weapons can be found in games like diablo 2 and soul calibur, i was surprised at just how many are authentic weapons not made up stuff. For example the Katars mentioned earlier and many variations of poleaxes, spears etc.

and then theres the maul.................... :D

[Cudgel]

well the maul in Diablo 2 is an exotic weapon as the head on it is metal. a real maul for fighting is an oversized wooden mallet. But yeah mauls are cool they smash things goooooddd :D

[shonuff]

http://tfam.com/background/swords.jpg

Check out the sword in the middle. It's used by Saito Ryu Ninjitsu according to this site. Looks like a mini-halberd.

[xuande]

You want crazy weapons? The Chinese came up with some very interesting stuff.

Hmmm, where to start ok how about a three point lance (http://www.wle.com/media/W064.jpg)
sun and moon blade (http://www.wle.com/media/W080c.jpg)
butterfly wing (http://www.wle.com/media/W080A.jpg)
wolf's tooth club (http://www.wle.com/media/W075.jpg)
kwan do (http://www.wle.com/media/W061.jpg) sometimes known as a Spring and Autum long handle knife
sun and earth hammer (http://www.wle.com/media/W344.jpg)
rope dart (http://www.wle.com/media/W211H.jpg)
others you can look for are the tiger head hook swords, tiger head shields (pretty unique to the ha say fu style), deer horn knives, nine pointed rake, monk spade and sky halberd among others.

The Chinese were also particularly good at turning everyday items into weapons, the cane, wooden bench, hoe, oar, steel fan, flute and iron pipe (http://www.wle.com/media/W068.jpg) those last three I've seen from the 8 immortal daoist system.

A lot of these are just as dangerous to the practicioner as they are to the opponent, thus why they are usually reserved for the advanced students.

[Darkflames21]

Here is another strange weapon that was used by the Japanese. It is called a Sode-karami. http://www.the-kura.com/items/128758/item128758store.html

[Darren]

check out www.gwangung.co.uk . lots of ...er ... fun stuff :D

There was a fantasy role playing book i once saw on weapons that could be used in games with pictures, descriptions, 'ratings'... can't remember what it's called though... had LOADS of weapons from all countries.

[Helasdottir]

Anyone any idea what these things are?

http://users.skynet.be/chuefoundation/6b_1_b.jpg
http://users.skynet.be/chuefoundation/6b_1_b.jpg

[ROokie]

these are sketched and maybe its not real but it mightr be not real but look cool

http://members.tripod.com/~eviljester666/weapons.jpg

[Jackie Li]

Anyone any idea what these things are?

http://users.skynet.be/chuefoundation/6b_1_b.jpg
http://users.skynet.be/chuefoundation/6b_1_b.jpg


They are a mix of a hook sword and saber tooth. i have trained in just about every exotic weapon imaginable.

[Helasdottir]

Any idea from where, what period? The general history eludes me...

It's a photo from China I believe.

Many thanks!

[White Raven]

I'm thinking of a weapon that looks like a manrikigusari except that the chain is longer and one end has a sort of blade/ knife. I can't figure out the name, but I wish to train with it... Lol. Whoever guesses first gets a cookie :D

[Anth]

Kusari-gama? :)

[White Raven]

Thank you very much :) . Unfortunately, I already ate the cookie... I was getting a headache trying to think of the name of it. :bang: Kusarigama, Kusarigama...

[TheCount]

Seriously, sorry for sounding blonde, but what arts actually utilise some of these weapons

[Kogusoku]

Some schools of Classical Japanese martial arts. Some of the older bujutsu schools would specialize in certain weapons.

For the most part, kusarigama was taught at jujutsu and naginata schools. Comprehensive bujutsu schools like Takenouchi-ryu, Kiraku-ryu, Araki-ryu and Shibukawa-ryu had kusarigama as one of the auxilliary weapons contained in their syllabus, alongside other weapons techniques. The ryuha listed above are also famous for their jujutsu techniques too.

Schools of naginata like Tendo-ryu, Jikishinkage-ryu and Toda-ha Buko-ryu also taught naginata as an auxilliary weapon too.

[Stolenbjorn]

Read an article in a magazine today that I just had to mention about a new gun design which allows you to shoot around corners!! :DIt's not new, the German SS experimented with such barrels allso having a little mirror on the corner on their Sturmgewere (precursor to the very popular HK G3-rifle that some armies still use today), so that they could shoot around corners. This was back in 1945. If you scroll down on this link and look out for the name Sturmgewhere 44 /Assaulut rifle 44, you will see a picture of one with a straight barrel:
http://www.carbinesforcollectors.com/slr.html

[AnLinSchool]

Hi, this is a rare chinese weapon called the mother son hammer. I did a description on it on another weapons thread just search for mother son hammer.
http://img120.imageshack.us/my.php?image=picture5rc4.jpg

[Mcks]

I love strange weapons. It never ceases to amaze me the lengths of the human imagination. I recently wrote about the Hwacha, a 15th century Korean weapon that fires 200 fire arrows.I've also written about Project Habakkuk: an ship made of pykcrete and ice during WWII. Also the apache pistol is a good one.

Have a look for yourself

http://strangeweaponoftheweek.com

[Sarah Afshar]

Wow, I love this thread!

[Stolenbjorn]

I've finally found a picture of the Norwegian Nunchaku; the "Oksepeis" (or "Hestpeis"):

http://i871.photobucket.com/albums/ab271/Stolenbjorn/ymse%20nettbilder/Hestpeis.jpg

It is 3-4 horse/bull-penises twinned together and have brass-fittings in each end. It was used as a police-club from the 16th - 18th century