Iron palm and..

[Noib Da Mutt]

I would like to start training to develop abilities such as the iron palm, iron foot, iron shin, iron forearm, and iron body. I am aware of the iron palm daily training excercises I must endure to develop this attribute, but I was curious to know if anyone had any training advice or workouts to develop some of these others.

[Cain]

Get to a school ;)

|Cain|

[Hakko-Ryu]

yea... u don't want to learn these type of techs/conditioning on your own. definately seek a teacher...

[Kempoblack36]

Its not so much that you could not develop something like iron palm on your own with lots of research into the correct training method and a great deal of focus on making sure your doing it properly, its just easier to have someone over your shoulder pointing you in the right direction lol

[ReeceLightning]

lol 4 years

[Patrick_baji]

i dont get it...this is in the "what not to do" section?

[Taoquan]

I would like to start training to develop abilities such as the iron palm, iron foot, iron shin, iron forearm, and iron body. I am aware of the iron palm daily training excercises I must endure to develop this attribute, but I was curious to know if anyone had any training advice or workouts to develop some of these others.

I agree with everyone else you need a teacher here,
At least within our iron stuff (except mostly palm), there are techniques to iron shin, forearm, thigh, body etc. It isn't just having someone/thing strike you and you develop bone density, skin toughness etc. (though that is there). For example our iron glaives, also incorporates specific rotation of the wrists to actually also make the block a strike.

As for iron body, if you do standing break falls, you are doing some of the training already. Just take your break falls other than the mat, say the grass, sand, dirt and work your way gradually up to where you should be able to do them on harder surfaces. For the rest find a teacher :D

[Ad McG]

Note the date of the original post...

This guy won't be posting because he is banned. A number of his threads are in this forum, partially as a joke and partially to show people how not to make silly threads! This is one of the lesser offenders but it is still a pretty daft question with an obvious answer in the first post.

[Orangeseger]

It's a stretch, but could it be possible that approx 1/4 of all usernames on MAP are in fact Sprint?

[tetsu ryu]

Develop an iron mind first, then your body will follow in it's leader's footsteps. *does monk bow* :cool:

[Ad McG]

Nobody was as bad in H+F as noib. Sprint didn't touch H+F before he got banned.

[Orangeseger]

Nobody was as bad in H+F as noib. Sprint didn't touch H+F before he got banned.

"Was" as bad....Did Noib banned too? I'm not surpised Sprint didn't touch the H+F section...he doesn't seem like the type. Wjat happened H+F anyway?

[Ad McG]

He was banned for breaking a number of rules about personal attack, profanity and generally just being a complete asshat.

H+F used to be one forum (it's still there but locked up for posting), but it has now become many forums, including the one you are posting in now. I think it's much better and the activity and content has increased IMO.

[Orangeseger]

He was banned for breaking a number of rules about personal attack, profanity and generally just being a complete asshat.

H+F used to be one forum (it's still there but locked up for posting), but it has now become many forums, including the one you are posting in now. I think it's much better and the activity and content has increased IMO.


I guess that is true. At least finding specific information will be easier with the whole forum broken down into smaller pieces.

Why do I get the feeling that Noib had (has) some crazy idea that training is like an episode of Dragonball Z, where you can train in 150xnormal gravity and see results in two days...then punch a planet in half?

Asshat...I'll have to remember that one.

[Orangeseger]

I was actually a little worried that someone might try to doing Noib's "training" and hurt themself.

[Ad McG]

Hence the main reason he got hounded off the forum before getting banned. It took a long time...

[Orangeseger]

So guys like Noib and Sprint are common among forums? Maybe they come in cycles because right now I don't sense much turmoil.

[CosmicFish]

So guys like Noib and Sprint are common among forums? Maybe they come in cycles because right now I don't sense much turmoil.
You can't sense turmoil because you're not a mod. Us mods have force powers. :D

But yeah, they do tend to come in cycles. Odd, innit?

[Ad McG]

Wherever thar be interweb, thar be trolls ahoy! AHAR!

[Orangeseger]

I've been wondering this for a while, but how do Mods get there position?

[Yohan]

I've been wondering this for a while, but how do Mods get there position?

By doing "favors" for the global mods.

[isaiah.chentnik]

There is a lot of debate over iron body training. I am NOT gonna pretend to be an expert. From the general sensuous what not to do would be to perform "iron training" without a teacher or expert advice.
Personally, I don't see the need for it. Training on a heavy bag filled with cloth has done me quite well. Not to mention, there is undoubtedly a reason why they sell hydro heavy bags. i.e... Because hitting hard surfaces can injure your body long term and short term. I know people who have gotten arthritis from continuously hitting of hard surfaces. I have kicked/punched people in the shins, elbows and head without much pain at all and I have never practiced on anything harder than compressed cloth.
Another thought to ponder.... How many professional fighters do you think practice iron palm training among other iron training. Probably NOT most. Granted they are probably used to getting punched from practice. Most of them don't seem to have problems knocking people out. Not to say that it wouldn't help. Just my thoughts.

[Ad McG]

I've been wondering this for a while, but how do Mods get there position?

By posting good info and appearing like a responsible user.

isaiah - in case you can't tell, this thread is dead.

[Yohan]

There is a lot of debate over iron body training. I am NOT gonna pretend to be an expert. From the general sensuous what not to do would be to perform "iron training" without a teacher or expert advice.
Personally, I don't see the need for it. Training on a heavy bag filled with cloth has done me quite well. Not to mention, there is undoubtedly a reason why they sell hydro heavy bags. i.e... Because hitting hard surfaces can injure your body long term and short term. I know people who have gotten arthritis from continuously hitting of hard surfaces. I have kicked/punched people in the shins, elbows and head without much pain at all and I have never practiced on anything harder than compressed cloth.
Another thought to ponder.... How many professional fighters do you think practice iron palm training among other iron training. Probably NOT most. Granted they are probably used to getting punched from practice. Most of them don't seem to have problems knocking people out. Not to say that it wouldn't help. Just my thoughts.

Sorry, but you don't know what Iron X training is. It doesn't consist of hitting a heavy bag filled with cloth.

[isaiah.chentnik]

Well what is iron palm training then, Slick? My point was that you can hurt yourself by hitting hard surfaces regardless of conditioning like iron palm training. Not because you hit something too hard one time or because it can't be done. BECAUSE You can damage your body over extended abuse (Specifically, if you are using sand that has trace elements of metal in it) and even if not. You have to weigh out the benefits of training something like that because you most certainly put your body at risk. A good example is gettingOsteoarthritis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osteoarthritis) because you don't wrap your hands and repeatedly hit heavy bags or punch your hands into sand or beans. believe me I have had plenty of thought of conditioning a fist that could punch through someone without injury but I wouldn't suggest hurting yourself before you get there. And in just case you couldn't understand what I wrote. I wasn't suggesting that Iron Fist training is training on a heavy bag I was suggesting that the necessity of having an iron fist is NOT for many self defense or even competitive situations so again I reiterate. WHY PUT YOUR BODY AT RISK? Do the ends justify the means? Are you gonna be a better fighter after words? Maybe!

[Yohan]

Well what is iron palm training, Slick? My point was you can hurt yourself by hitting hard surfaces not that iron palm training is hitting a cloth bag but you can't read so you wouldn't know that.

And you are right on both counts. Your post merely infers that punching compressed cloth has something to do with Iron body training. Generally, Iron Palm training consists of filling a cloth bag with substances of increasing hardness (usually something like mung beans, then sand, then iron shot), and striking the bag over and over again. The process is generally accompanied by use of healing medicines (Dit Dar Jow) and Chi Kung. There are different types of iron palm. The above is internal Iron Palm (I think). External Iron Palm involves driving your hands into a bucket of rice or sand or beans or shot.

Additionally, Iron Palm is regarded as an antiquated process by many. The chances for injury is high, and the rewards are slow and hard to achieve. I've heard it said that the process trains the waist as much as the hand.

[isaiah.chentnik]

I changed my reply to this because I felt as though I was instigating more negativity. I wasn't trying to say that Iron Fist training was punching a cloth filled heavy bag. I justed wanted to give a heads up that you can hurt yourself by doing something like Iron Fist training and was annoyed because I felt I was responded to in a condescending manner. Sorry!

[isaiah.chentnik]

How do you tell if a thread is dead? I am new to forum posting.

[CosmicFish]

How do you tell if a thread is dead? I am new to forum posting.
In this case, by the date of the original post.

Some history for you, so you know what's going on here. We used to have all the H&F stuff in one forum. Earlier this year we revamped it into the many sections you see now. At the start, in order to populate the empty sections, some of the Globies moved the more recent posts from the old area into the relevant areas here. And partly for fun, Ad moved some of Noib's rather more "entertaining" threads into the "What Not To Do" section. This is one of them. ;)

[Orangeseger]

By doing "favors" for the global mods.


That just sent a shiver down my spine. :p

[Suhosthe]

But yeah, they do tend to come in cycles. Odd, innit?
Surely they come on a cycle. Then, they leave through a window at high velocity, assisted by the mods. Hmm?

[Knight_Errant]

Gross libel. I ride my cycle everywhere- I even ride it to college- and I'm not a... I'm not much of a.... I'm not really a.... well anyway...

[Yohan]

I changed my reply to this because I felt as though I was instigating more negativity. I wasn't trying to say that Iron Fist training was punching a cloth filled heavy bag. I justed wanted to give a heads up that you can hurt yourself by doing something like Iron Fist training and was annoyed because I felt I was responded to in a condescending manner. Sorry!

No worries!

Communication is the hardest problem! :D

[aikidoka-je]

if you want to do this sort of thing i suggest you practis with weaker boards and once that becomes easy try harder boards till you think you have achieved your goal

[A Practitioner]

In most iron palm systems you don't punch the bag. Just pointing that out.