K10 championships

[Sonshu]

Anyone see this at the weekend?

If so what were your thoughs?

:D

[Saz]

Do you mean K1? Looks like I missed it again... was it on Eurosport?

[xubis]

Yeah Sonshu, I saw it, there were some really boring fight but also some really good ones, that little guy, paul, did really well against the size of the guys he was put against. And yeah KGirl it was on Eurosport

[Sonshu]

It is not the K1 kickboxing event it was the K10 (thats how it was written) however they called it the 10K championships.

I thought it was awful if I am honest. I saw a lot of the fights and found it to be very bad. I have not done points sparring in years and was never much cop at it. Guess I am better now though as was only little.

I wonder what detriment that this could have on people self defence as there was no guard, ltd blocking and other worrying things.

Just after views as I am not a points fighter.

:D

[Saz]

If I'd seen it, I'd give you my views. I've never heard of K10. Sounds like it was very conviently named. Here's a description of it from Eurosports website: "Britain's best come together for one of the richest prizes in the sport's history."

Point sparring karate would hardly make for exicting TV anyway. If karate was to be shown on TV as a commercial sport. it'd have to be full contact knockdown at least, or it'd just be boring.

Sonshu, if you spot anything like this on TV again, can you let me know?

[Soete-tsuki]

I've always found points very strange. I can overpower their block but I score no points =( I'm just not good at it stylistically.

[Tosh]

Saw this again tonight, I have to saw (form a completetly biased point of view) booooooooooooooooring.

I just been at a TKD compe at the weekend and no joke, I could picks 4 or 5 jumiors that could hold thier own at this comp.

Now i'm sure there are far better Karate players out thier it's just unfortunate that someone has picked this as an advertisment. i've seen better Karate players in my own area, and at open competitions.

I like to know how these guys were picked? Is there an entry fee or is there a long standing process of elimination. Is there any knockdown on TV??

Kgirl? Any chance of doing a report on the Knowckdown that's in your area this weekend?? Even some video clips of the final would be noice!!! :D

Not asking a lot am I?

[Saz]

Next Knockdown tournament I go to, its a promise :D None this weekend, KD tournaments tend to be sporadic at best :(

If you look in my Gallery, I uploaded some pics from this years British Knockdown Championships.

A quick search on Google brought up nothing for the K10 competion :(

[Tosh]

oi, KGirl! You lie G.I :D

I saw a Knockdown comp advertised in the Llantrisant Leisure Centre for the 29th :D

It was an Open comp too! :D

[morphus]

Just finished watching K10 on British euro sport - I thought it was a little boring a lot of hand tech's not enough feet. But if they would just allow the full contact on tv it might get a better audience & be enjoyed more.:)

[Saz]

Really Tosh? I'll look into that. I've been away from training, so won't have heard of them. If I go to class on Thursday, I may tag along

Cheers :D

[Tosh]

Well the only reason I know about it is because we were there this weekend.

Interestingly though it seemed to be quite traditional but yet open to all styles (well Kung-Fu, Karate and TKD! :D) Wicked!

[zun]

Not my kind of thing but if you're interested:

K10 Thursday about 3pm on Eurosport GB

[happywelshgal]

Just thought I'd give you a little info on the 10k! Its called the 10K cos on the night the winner goes away with £10,000. The evening started with 32 fighters from all styles, knockdown, full contact and semi contact, who were selected from last years tournament and the pre-elims this year and there were wild card entries. I was in the audience for this years 10K and it was a fantastic night. Not boring at all, but the editing of the programme wasn't as good as it couldv'e been. The fighter's were competing by WKF rules, and personally, I thought the standard of competition was excellent, but then I'm used to the rules they were fighting under, and am not used to seeing full contact competitions. Hope this has shed some light on it!

[Sonshu]

It was lousy TV though and the standard was not very good for the semi's. To me it was just a little to boring and slow.

Glad you enjoyed it though.

[happywelshgal]

There is an article on the 10K in this months traditional karate if anyone's interested!

[Paul Herbert]

I wasted £35 on going to see the 10K at the Mermaid Theartre in London. If you thought it was lousy tv just remember you were shown the highlights!!!!!!
Don't get me wrong they were all respected athletes but those WKF rules are crap

[Saz]

What exactly are the WKF rules? I do karate, but we don't use those.

[Paul Herbert]

Good question :) I gave up trying to work them out on the night...
I figured the best way to win under the WKF rules is to act hurt everytime you get scored on and the referee awards you 3 points. People were being penalised for solid punches to the body. Is this a Martial Art?

Anybody got an official rules list for WKF?

[Paul Herbert]

Check out www.wkf.net for a full list of the new rules.
This is the system being used for Karate as an official olympic sport
:rolleyes:

[Andy Murray]

Originally posted by Paul Herbert
People were being penalised for solid punches to the body.

Making excessive contact under the rule system they agreed to fight under, therefore not exhibiting the control required.

CATEGORY 1.
1. Techniques which make excessive contact, having regard to the scoring area attacked, and techniques which make contact with the throat.
2. Attacks to the arms or legs, groin, joints, or instep.
3. Attacks to the face with open hand techniques.
4. Dangerous or forbidden throwing techniques
CATEGORY 2.
1.Feigning, or exaggerating injury.
2.Repeated exits from the competition area (JOGAI).
3.Self-endangerment by indulging in behaviour, which exposes the contestant to injury by the opponent, or failing to take adequate measures for self-protection, (MUBOBI).
4.Avoiding combat as a means of preventing the opponent having the opportunity to score.
5. Clinching, wrestling, pushing, or seizing, without attempting a throw or other technique.
6.Techniques, which by their nature, cannot be controlled for the safety of the opponent and dangerous and uncontrolled attacks.
7.Attacks with the head, knees, or elbows.
8.Talking to, or goading the opponent, failing to obey the orders of the referee, discourteous behaviour towards the refereeing officials, or other breaches of etiquette.

[johndoch]

Bloody hell, you'd be as well having a staring out contest.;)

What happens when your dumb opponent just happens to walk onto your strike. Are you penalised for that or is your opponent penalised for being unable to avoid a half baked strike.:confused:

[Andy Murray]

It'd be down to the interpretation of the rules by the officials John, but you knew that didn't you? ;)

[johndoch]

LOL,

*shudder* @ the term Interpretation
:D

[Tosh]

Having watched it on TV. the players were being penalised for "excessive contact" a bit harshly IMO

I mean excessive is entrierly down to the individuals interpretation but we spar with that level of contact in class let alone for £10,000.

Now i understand that this may have been for the benefit is keeping things looking less like a slugfest but to be fair some of the competitors reaction to blows were verging on the ridiculous.

Not a good advert for TMA sparring.

[happywelshgal]

Originally posted by johndoch
Bloody hell, you'd be as well having a staring out contest.;)

What happens when your dumb opponent just happens to walk onto your strike. Are you penalised for that or is your opponent penalised for being unable to avoid a half baked strike.:confused:

I'm a national official who uses the new wkf rules, and if a fighter blatantly walks on to an attack then the judges and referee can give him a warning for mubobi, which is a disregard for one's own safety. I think that the rules work well, you have to remember that not all styles fight by full contact rules. The wkf new rules allow a lot more oppurtunity for more technically difficult techniques, and haven't been in use that long. As for the injury on the night, there was only one i saw, and that was jason ledgister, and he was forced to pull out. I admit the rules are quite difficult when you first encounter them, but after a while you begin to see the benefits.

:D