Silat Animals

[ICT]

Greetings,

I would like to see how many pure silat animal styles we could name, not techniques or kuntao animals just silat.

I'll start with an easy one:
Tiger - Matjanan

Sincerely,
Teacher: Eddie Ivester

[pesilat]

Originally posted by ICT
Greetings,

I would like to see how many pure silat animal styles we could name, not techniques or kuntao animals just silat.

I'll start with an easy one:
Tiger - Matjanan

Sincerely,
Teacher: Eddie Ivester

The ones that I'm familiar with (from Mande Muda) would be:
Harimau - tiger
Pamacan - tiger ("father tiger")
Pamonyet - monkey ("father monkey")
Cikalong - bat ("water/river bat")

Mike

[Fist Of Legend]

Kucing: cat

[krys]

Merpati Putih: white dove?

Buwaya : (filipino) crocodile.

Our own style (Saudara, the brotherhood) is based on the tactics of an octopus.

[ICT]

Cool,

An Octopus, that's a new one I never heard of. Are there any more rare ones out there like this?

[krys]

Cool,

An Octopus, that's a new one I never heard of. Are there any more rare ones out there like this?

Actually the filipino style I study comes from a small island, that's why there are animal like the octopus, the (sal****er)crocodile...
There may be another filipino system based on the crab.

In Kuala Terrenganu (Malaysia) the bodyguards of the sultan practice a style based on the movements of the turtle, (the sea turtle is the symbol of the province) it's really efficient and I learned a little.....

[ICT]

I have heard of some techniques named after strange animals but I don't know if there is a style for the animal or just a technique name and since I wanted to stick with just Silat animal styles I won't mention them unless I know they are a style.

Here is another one:
Cobra - Tedung

Sincerely,
Teacher: Eddie Ivester

[krys]

Another one (sumatra):

silat sapik kalo (the scorpion's pincers).

[ICT]

I got another one.

Eagle - Garuda

I heard this was a style. I Knew it was the Indonesian mascott like our American Bald Eagle so it would make sense that there is a Silat style for the eagle.

[Wali]

gura-gura (Forgive spelling) - Turtle

[kobudo_tob]

I'm not very familiar with Silat, and I didn't realise that it was based around animals. Please coud someone enlighten me by telling me what the difference is?

Forgive my nievity, for I am only a simple Kobudoka :)

(LOL)

[pesilat]

Originally posted by kobudo_tob
I'm not very familiar with Silat, and I didn't realise that it was based around animals. Please coud someone enlighten me by telling me what the difference is?

Forgive my nievity, for I am only a simple Kobudoka :)

(LOL)

Not all Silat systems are based on animals or even have anything to do with animals. In fact, most of the Silat systems that I've been exposed to don't have anything to do with animals. This thread specifically deals with systems that do, so that's why it's being discussed here.

You asked "what the difference is?" - The difference between what? The various Silat systems, Silat and other arts, or something else?

Mike

[_tiki_]

while on this subject...
does anybody know of any animal based Silat schools in southern california?

[kobudo_tob]

You asked "what the difference is?" - The difference between what? The various Silat systems, Silat and other arts, or something else?

The difference between the different styles of Silat. I apologise if I didn't make it clearer.

[pesilat]

Originally posted by kobudo_tob
The difference between the different styles of Silat. I apologise if I didn't make it clearer.

Nope. That's clear enough :) Unfortunately, it's also virtually impossible to answer.

The term Silat is an umbrella term like "Karate" or "Kung Fu" that encompasses literally hundreds and possibly thousands of different systems of Silat found throughout southeast Asia. They each have different specialties and emphases.

Some, like Rikasan, focus on joint locking (though the intent isn't usually submissions but rather destruction). Others, like Harimau, focus on groundfighting. Others, like Cimande, focus on striking. Others, like Cipecut, focus on a specific type of weapon (Cipecut focuses on flexible weapons).

Mike

[kobudo_tob]

Ah, I see. Cheers Mike.

[_tiki_]

but I return to my previous question...are there any good silat schools in southern california?

[pesilat]

Originally posted by _tiki_
but I return to my previous question...are there any good silat schools in southern california?

Well, I can think of 4 that I'd recommend off the top of my head - of course, "southern california" is a pretty big place. 3 of the ones I'm aware of are in the LA area and the 4th isn't far from LA.

http://www.inosanto.com
http://www.serak.com
http://www.buktinegara.com
http://www.pentjaksilatusa.com - go to the "Contact Us" page

I'd guess that there are others but those are the first 4 that come to my mind.

Mike

[amirul_tekpi79]

Peace to all,

Just want to add some styles from Malaysia.

Bangau Putih white crane
Rajawali Putih white Eagle
Cekak Harimau tiger
Garuda big legendary bird
Helang Merah red eagle
Harimau Kumbang leopard/puma
Harimau Hitam black tiger
Harimau Melaka Malaccan tiger
Harimau Sang Saka tiger spirit
Harimau Sri Rama rama's tiger (rama-from ramayana)
Helang Putih white eagle
Helang Harimau eagle & tiger
Kala Putih white scorpion
Kera Putih white ape
Kura-kura turtle
Naga Buana dragon
Pelanduk Putih white deer
Siamang Laut sea ape
Sikorek Monyet monkey
Singa Kandangan caged lion

Some of them are really animal-like i.e. Helang Putih,Harimau Hitam & Kura-kura. Some used certain animal fighting aspects i.e. Rajawali Putih & Cekak Harimau.

peace

[krys]

Kura-kura turtle

Were you able to experience this turtle system? Is it the one from Kuala Terrenganu?

[Wali]

We practise the Kura-Kura system at eastwest studios.

My understanding is that it is a Kucing derivative, and is a system that is fought mainly on the back (so you look like a turtle on a shell). We use it as part of the overall Kucing training, as we do with the Harimau, as all Silat postures should lead naturally to the next without a break in flow.

It's a very interesting part of the ground work, and one of my favorites.

[amirul_tekpi79]

Peace to all,

Dear Wali,

I'm surprised to know that you guys are doing Silat Kura-Kura in the UK! Who was your guru? Where did you learn it?

Because even in Malaysia, it's hard to find their practioners cause it's believed by the silat community here (especially in KL) that it's a near-extinct art. Sad but true.

Maybe one day malaysians have to go to uk to learn kura-kura :(

peace

[Wali]

Greetins Amirul,

We are very fortunate to be learning from a Pendekar called Steve Benitez. His silat skill and knowledge is truly a blesssing to us here.

He has trained classical silat since a very young age, and makes regular trips to Indonesia to maintain his connection with South East Asia and his Gurus over there.

It seems that the people over there aren't interested in the hard training that these classical systems demand, and the old arts are slowly dying away, and becoming harder to find!

There is a full profile, and photos at http://www.eastwestsstudios.com/gallery

Regards
Wali

[diligentmantis]

Tiger in malay is Harimau, and Kuntao/kuntau is a Hokkien term meaning fist way This is used widely in malaysia to discribe Chinese arts. Over the years in malaysia silat and chinese arts have been mixed and borrowed from each other. Although there are still pure forms of each art.

[amirul_tekpi79]

Peace to all,

I agree that the term 'kuntau' is widely used in Malaysia to indicate that the art has chinese influences.

There are also silat 'perguruan' that uses the term 'kuntau' to denote hardness and 'straight-to-the-point' method used by them.

The silat that i train in, Silat 'Kuntau' Tekpi, is one of them.

According to the elders in the district of Baling, in the state of Kedah, the original name (or more precisely the name given by outsiders to the art, because in the old days there were no specific names given to silat styles) was 'Silat Menela'.

This silat was given a proper name during the time of the late Pak Guru Zainol Abidin Endut (the second generation inheritor of the art) as 'Silat Tekpi'.

Then, with the new law that requires all silat perguruan to register as an organization by the Malaysian government, the son of Pak Guru Zainol, Cikgu Sani, who inherited this art even before Pak Guru Zainol died due to illness, had to find a suitable organizational name due to the fact that there are various other silat perguruan in Malaysia at the time that also used the name 'Silat Tekpi' but didn't have any similarities nor lineage to his style.

After thinking it through, Cikgu Sani opted to add 'kuntau' to the name because;

1) he didn't want to loose the name 'tekpi'
2) for the people of Kedah, 'kuntau' in the MA context denotes both hard and fast, which in Cikgu Sani's wisdom, is a suitable term to depict his silat.

Thus the organization 'Pertubuhan Seni Silat Kuntau Tekpi Malaysia' was born (sorry, don't remember the date).

Ironically, our logo to this day does not have the term 'kuntau' in it and among the practioners of the style, we prefer to just call our style Silat Tekpi.

Diligentmantis,if i'm not mistaken, i read in another topic that you said you are going to visit Malaysia soon. Are you still coming?

peace

[diligentmantis]

yes i will be in malaysia ( Kuching Sarawak) last week of may I will be in west malaysia sometime in june.

[amirul_tekpi79]

Peace to all,

How long will you be in West Malaysia? Will you be staying in KL? Cause if you are and have time, i can recommend to you a place where you'll find a lot of answers to your Silat questions.

Ever heard of the magazine, Seni Beladiri? How about Silat Keris Lok 9? Their office is a 'paradise' for silat lovers or enthusiasts like you and me. (i myself have not visited them yet, but some of my Silat Tekpi friends have)

peace