[Freestyle/Sporting MA] Points - 'Nice n light' or 'punch out your lights'?

[booj]

When I started competing in points there was always an emphasis on keeping contact controlled.

These halcion days seem to have been abandoned in recent years, coinciding with a general demise in traditional values of respect and etiquette that used to be part and parcel of the sport.

In these violent times, 'semi-contact' karate is all about hurting your opponent - its not about scoring a point, its about the three blows you strike to bloody your opponents nose after the ref calls 'stop' that matter. (remember when straight punches to the face were banned from points?)

I have to admit, I have recently succumbed to such unruly behaviour - if you can't beat 'em join 'em. I just feel sorry for the kids, man, they are gonna grow up not knowing what its all about.

Has anyone else noticed this rise in contact, and al the negativity it has bred?

[pimphand]

Has no one got an opinion on this???!??

I reckon there has been a marked increase in the use of power/intimidation tactics in semi/continous in recent years, and I cannot say I am a fan of it.

If people want to strike with full power, enter kickboxing/muay thai competitions. Points fighting was intended to reward technical and fast exponents of the fighting arts.

Semi contact these days is just a clash of behemoths, with the one landing hardest and earliest winning. This is not what it was invented for.

Come back technical fighters, all is forgiven!!

[Tosh]

I agree and disagree, certainly in the amatuer ranks the contact level has been increased, but good technical fighters ares still out there.

Heavier contact is usually an indicator of lack of technique, because the perosn does not posses the tools to do anything else.

[labeledas]

i am quite large and outweigh most if not all of my opponents and i have yet to go full force in competition, i am more concerned with having a nice long fight using tactical attacks to catch the other guy.

i though that was the point of it all, using skills learned to control the fight not size and strength.

i have had people i have fouight come up to me after the fight and say that they were impressed because they thought i would be a thug and just brutalize them.

[stump]

If people want to do full contact then they should go into a ring and do it. If they want to do points, then play by the rules...of course it helps when judges enforce the rules!!!

There should be a big mean bruiser at every tournament and if people get disqualified for excessive contact the punishment should be a few rounds with him!!! Maybe that might sort out the heavy contact bullying tactics

[booj]

Originally posted by Tosh
Heavier contact is usually an indicator of lack of technique, because the perosn does not posses the tools to do anything else. [/B]

Well my experience of this increase in force is based on the major points circuits in the UK, with the so called best fighters in the country..naming no names of course.

[Andy Murray]

Originally posted by booj
Well my experience of this increase in force is based on the major points circuits in the UK, with the so called best fighters in the country..naming no names of course.

Technically, the lighter hit should also be the quickest, therefore the scoring technique.

You can still fight light, but just watch out for the counter aimed to take your head off. I remember matching up to Pele Reid, who's a foot taller than me, and twice as wide. I got my points, but a big headache too. :D

There are so few well staffed and reffed events these days that it's no wonder the level of contact is a grey area.
I think the days of 'freestyle semi' are numbered.

[Tosh]

Originally posted by Andy Murray

There are so few well staffed and reffed events these days that it's no wonder the level of contact is a grey area.
I think the days of 'freestyle semi' are numbered.

Agreed.

It should work out evenly, if your a good judge of a fighter you should know when its;

A) Two competent guys, not afraid to take (or give) punishment

or

B) A total mismatch with a technical fighter vs frustrated guy or someone with no real ability vs liberty taking "pro"

Too many times have I seen guys get an unecessary beatings in like the first round. What the probs ref?? It's not the world champs, DO YOUR JOB :woo: !!!

[kevamania]

I know it has been over 8 months since a reply here but hey.
I agree with you guys,personally when I am fighting I start by hitting light,my theory is if I beat a guy that is 100% throughout the fight,it means more than a few cheap shots to the nose or illegal areas then carry on with a guy who could beat you if you didnt cheat.
On the other hand if a guy starts to punch heavy and dirty,I give them the same back(although I keep it clean,just hit harder).
I think a nice system is controlled to the head,full to the body.

[Lance Havock]

Sorry fellas my first move is a straight punch to the lips. It either takes the fight out of your opposition or they man up and you have a fight on your hands.

But really if you are complaining about the contact take up needlpoint

[Ikken Hisatsu]

no, I agree. if the rules say light contact it should BE light contact. if you want full contact there are plenty of other places you can go.

[Slindsay]

I agree with Ikken, if people want to fight light contact they have every right to.

[[webguru]]

well i've never been in a competition (yet) and have only had to use my MA once b4 - when some dude tried to mug me for my mobile, i ended up round-housing him in the temple and then running as fast as i f*king could, then later on discovering that i had blood on my shoe . . . but somehow i dont think thats quite the same as competition fighting :p

But i have to say i agree with Ikken and the dude who agreed with him (forgot ur name - lol sorry). If people want to fight light contact, then they should be allowed.

I noticed that someone said something along the lines of "toughen up or take up needlework", but i thought (correct me if im wrong as i have only been doing MA for 3 months) that one of the key aspects of Martial Arts was self control and technique. Well to me, (again feel free to correct me) it seems that the dude who is up close and heavy would not be using as much technique and self-control as someone who is hitting thier opponant hard enough to keep them at bay, but not hard enough to put them in a coma/break their nose/hit them in illegal places or at illegal times. :eek: shock, horror . . .could i be right here?!

Well this could all be a pile of horse-sh*t as i am only a humble white belt with what could be unrealistic ideas of what tournaments are all about. Feel free to correct me on anything, just please dont start a rant about it, coz i dont want to get my ass-kicked by the admin for "provoking some1 into an abusive/rude/hostile rant". Lol

[webguru]

[Bograt]

First time posting here, and as I student of various fighting arts for many moons I know I can hurt someone if I want to, and am confident enough to get on the mats at a points comp. I know I don't need to take someones head of to prove how tough or how much of a man I am. Points should be light contact and any blood drawn should be left to the judges discretion but to blaintantly belt someone out is not on, The same can be said of "light continuos" nothing could be further from the truth If you want to knock some guy or girl out ( not to appear sexist) then take of the tag gloves and put on the boxing gloves or better still if people are so hung up and needing to knock some persons head of purposly in order to give thier ego a boost, then go do some cage fighting and see how hard they realy are. The true essence of Martial arts is self control and controling the force in which you hit someone is a true test of skill. I personally don't give a damn If I get on the mat ant play tippy tap or get in the ring and take some guys head of but eaqual respect should be given to both rules and regulations. Mind you I do find needlework can be dangerous at times "one slip and" :) :)
Freestyle is sports orientated so comes with some hype, but to see some of these people getting on the mat knowing they will win based on the club they go to and not how good they are or in some casses are not is an even bigger pain. They are the ones I wish would put up for real or shut up

[tekkengod]

i don't see how an increase in contact is a bad thing? let alone in any way negative, if anything there should be MORE contact, i understand light contact for children, the elderly and the handicapped. but if you are able bodied, MORE CONTACT!!!

in a perfect world, all sparring would be MMA style.

[Ikken Hisatsu]

no it wouldnt, because we dont all do/want to do mma. if we did mma sparring in muay thai it would stop being muay thai. and while I agree light contact is pretty lame, thats neither here nor there- fact is that the rules of the tournament say light contact it should BE light contact.

[Taliar]

in a perfect world, all sparring would be MMA style.

No in your perfect world all sparring would be MMA style, fortunately most people live in a good old fashioned democracy and have a certain amount of free will. While we may not agree with the effectiveness or realism of their competitions, they have as much right as anyone to do what they want. This is good and allows for progress, infact this free will and ability to do what you want is what allowed MMA to start in the first place.

[Bograt]

It's not about the contact = force it's about clear guidlines for the particular style of fighting. Over the years I have done boxing, traditional karate, freestyle and light continuos karate and have also dabled in full contact and I have always afforded the correct etiquate to each one I'm fourty now and the only fighting I wish to do is with my weight and fitness levels and to support my own students, but put me in a boxing ring to do Boxing or full contact kickboxing then I'll do my best to get the knock out, and if not show enough skill and workrate to win put me on the mats at a freestyle comp with the rules saying light contact and I will hold back on any power. I'm there to win for myself using the rules provided, simple as that.

[Visage]

in a perfect world, all sparring would be MMA style.

And we'd all bow before you, and kiss the hems of your robes, proclaiming "The Saviour of Martial Arts".

Fortunatly, a certain level of sanity still exists on this earth.

[tekkengod]

i'm not arguing that if the rules say a certain amount of contact, enforce it and abide by the rules. that didn't come out right, because i do love MT almost as much as MMA, in my perfect world all sparring would be either MMA or full contact MT style. thats better. but thats just my pep peeve, effectiveness and realisim. just bugs the hell out of me, thats all. i hate light contact and point sparring, always have, always will. i don't see the point, lose the pads, get your shorts and take it to them, as in all sparring, a degree of safety is more important than a degree of realisim, but MMA, MT and judo alike have shown that is possible.

[tekkengod]

And we'd all bow before you, and kiss the hems of your robes, proclaiming "The Saviour of Martial Arts".

Fortunatly, a certain level of sanity still exists on this earth.

no, you'd all acknowladge one anothers ability and proclaim "the savior of realisim." :D j/k

[Visage]

i'm not arguing that if the rules say a certain amount of contact, enforce it and abide by the rules. that didn't come out right, because i do love MT almost as much as MMA, in my perfect world all sparring would be either MMA or full contact MT style. thats better. but thats just my pep peeve, effectiveness and realisim. just bugs the hell out of me, thats all. i hate light contact and point sparring, always have, always will. i don't see the point, lose the pads, get your shorts and take it to them, as in all sparring, a degree of safety is more important than a degree of realisim, but MMA, MT and judo alike have shown that is possible.

And what about the people who dont want your "realism", and instead want pure sport??

[tekkengod]

And what about the people who dont want your "realism", and instead want pure sport??


then they don't show up, and they fight elsewhere.

are MMA and MT not pure sport? well, MT is also a traditional art in some ways. but this is not nor would it be, MY realisim its todays combat sports realisim.

[Visage]

then they don't show up, and they fight elsewhere.


But in your perfect world, there is nowhere else to go, because everyone is doing full contact fighting.

[Bograt]

Agreed.

It should work out evenly, if your a good judge of a fighter you should know when its;

A) Two competent guys, not afraid to take (or give) punishment

or

B) A total mismatch with a technical fighter vs frustrated guy or someone with no real ability vs liberty taking "pro"

Too many times have I seen guys get an unecessary beatings in like the first round. What the probs ref?? It's not the world champs, DO YOUR JOB :woo: !!!
I remember there where a particular group of guys (from different clubs) they always wore a yellow or orange belt, you would see them at comp after comp and they all travelling to different comps, and were regularly seen at a well known tornament held in Manchester. Because they wore yellow and orange belts they were always seen fighting in those catagories needless to say they always came away triumphant leaving the poor true newcommers nursing bruises etc, it got to the point after a year or so that a couple of instructors approached the organisers with thier concernes; only to be told that even though thier level was higher than that of the grade they showed, if they had not taken higher gradings they could fight in that catagory. So these instructors entered one competition as white belts and whiped the floor with them, although there was a complaint about it the instructors quite rightly said they had started doing new styles and produced licences to prove this and as they had not graded they had no come back. but it shows how many of these comps are farcical even the more well known ones. :bang:

[tekkengod]

all the people who desire to improve themselves through Marital arts are doing full contact. atleast in that perfect world.
i've actually been thinking about this alot. i was listening to michael savage the other day and people where calling in and complaining about MMA and the UFC some were just people with no intelligence, and then there were a few TMA that got on and complained about how MMA was a step backwards because it had no principles and the UFC was horrible and they were just spewing all kinds of unintelligent crap, and i had a revelation. those are the people who don't have the skill, those are the ones who fear change, those are the ones will call us egotists because we enjoy fighting and competeing in the most realistic manner we can. in an attempt to cover up for the lack of ability. so this isn't really in keeping with the discussion, but i was thinking, if you don't have the balls or the skill to get in the cage and win, don't bitch about it.

[Bograt]

And what about the people who dont want your "realism", and instead want pure sport??

What do you meen???????? Sport Is sport good or bad.

If you want to watch boxing watch boxing if you want to watch cage fighting watch cage fighting if you want to watch freestyle points ( light contact ) then fine or if you prefare watch crown green bowling then great sport is sport irespective of what style or type.

[Visage]

all the people who desire to improve themselves through Marital arts are doing full contact. atleast in that perfect world.
i've actually been thinking about this alot. i was listening to michael savage the other day and people where calling in and complaining about MMA and the UFC some were just people with no intelligence, and then there were a few TMA that got on and complained about how MMA was a step backwards because it had no principles and the UFC was horrible and they were just spewing all kinds of unintelligent crap, and i had a revelation. those are the people who don't have the skill, those are the ones who fear change, those are the ones will call us egotists because we enjoy fighting and competeing in the most realistic manner we can. in an attempt to cover up for the lack of ability. so this isn't really in keeping with the discussion, but i was thinking, if you don't have the balls or the skill to get in the cage and win, don't bitch about it.

Ah, the "Its the others" approach. :rolleyes: Some revelation you had.

[Bograt]

Quote:
Originally Posted by tekkengod
all the people who desire to improve themselves through Marital arts are doing full contact. atleast in that perfect world.

Full contact Is good for some not for others, life and lifestyle dictate what people take on board. To say people who disire to improve themselves are doing full contact is a bit of a BOLLOX statement don't you think People take up the verious styles they do because it suites them and to demean that is a little incensitive. Each style has its own good and bad points. As a person used to many years of cross training I have taken what I feel is right for me and i'm possitive my own students will do the same and I would hope they show the same respect for other styles as I do.

[tekkengod]

Ah, the "Its the others" approach. :rolleyes: Some revelation you had.


:confused: i don't see what you are getting at?

[tekkengod]

Quote:
Originally Posted by tekkengod
all the people who desire to improve themselves through Marital arts are doing full contact. atleast in that perfect world.

Full contact Is good for some not for others, life and lifestyle dictate what people take on board. To say people who disire to improve themselves are doing full contact is a bit of a BOLLOX statement don't you think People take up the verious styles they do because it suites them and to demean that is a little incensitive. Each style has its own good and bad points. As a person used to many years of cross training I have taken what I feel is right for me and i'm possitive my own students will do the same and I would hope they show the same respect for other styles as I do.

i'm not really arguing the styls vs style thing. i just think that if your not taking an MA class for any of the following reasons:
get in shape.
fight for money.
become a teacher
to become a professional fighter
to test yourself and your limits.

then i missed the point of going.
and i think that sparring MT or MMA style, or even just with a bit more contact is the way to do it.

[Visage]

and i think that sparring MT or MMA style, or even just with a bit more contact is the way to do it.

And many other people disagree with you. Deal with it.

[Bograt]

Every style has it's good and bad points as I have said ( I would never pull another style apart I may have my views on it but they all have something to offer) karate, kickboxing, judo I could go on and on but I won't. To say that doing this style is better as it tests your limits is quite blinkered, if you train hard in any sport your limits are tested only by your own level of fitness, determination Lifestyle = diet poverty ability, disability etc.
If I want to run a marathon I start with my first step, do I do 1 mile, 10 miles or 24? Only my on personal fitness level, determination mental attitued can govern how far I actually get. However I cauld say if only I tried it this way instead of that way I could have done better, but hey theres a guy running with me who tried it the other way and he stopped at the same place. It's not down to the style etc it's down to the individual and what they can physically or mentally do or in fact what they want to do.

Some people do points because they go to a club that just teaches students to fight that way. Some may do it because although it helps as a way to relieve the stresses of day to day living they can not afford to get into a kickboxing ring and go hell for leather as if they and up with two black eyes a brocken nose etc it could impact on thier job. each to their own I say.

[Bograt]

Goodnight everyone I'm of to bed with a hot mug of milk and I'll leave you to debate this topic. :cool:

[tekkengod]

a hot mug of milk to bed :confused: .....good luck with that

[kickboxingidiot]

this is what i think

if the rules say "semi contact "
i.e. stop after a point then thats the rules SEMI contact

ppl should not confuse semi contact (point stop) with light contact (continuous)

now semi contact is semi contact PERIOD!!!

i hear some ppl say "oh its full contact really" when they try to defend thei style and tell ppl that theyre harder than they really are :P

another thing,....
all that macho ******** :

1. i dont wear pads= BULL even the ebst gyms e.g. chakuriki/mejiro/kaewamrit/ tokyo seidokaikan/ beastmasters/trojan/ chinuk ,... etc Wear shin pads when they spar!!!

2. we dont do light sparring = MORE BULL !!! the thais spar really light!!! youre trying to tell me you can kick their asses too???

spar light fight hard!!!

you dont need to be injured in sparring

[StoneDog]

Hi All, I'm new here but have been in point-fighting oriented styles for about 4 years now.

A few observations (at least from some of the schools in my area):

- The younger instructors that compete will hit hard enough to make someone of intermediate experience stop and think he's really been hit. They do not use KO power but neither are they tapping you on the shoulder. I have never received a broken nose or black eye, for example, but it sure as heck felt like it. I have "earned" bruised ribs from defensive side kicks while wearing the standard three-dot TKD-style torso armor and I don't fault anyone but myself for it.

- Mature instructors that have done the competition circuit and have secured enough titles and/or trophies to feel legit will ease back on the power depending on the ability of the person they're sparring with.

- Student that come from non-AK schools (TKD or MT usually) expect us to "tap" them when sparring. They also apologize when they think they've hit harder than they should have.

Maybe I'm an old phart, but I don't see any problem in planting a solid side-kick to back off an opponent assuming he/she has appropriate experience and is breathing properly. And if I receive a solid hit it's my fault for getting hit. I stepped onto the mat, I'm there to learn and participate in a martial art and getting hit means I'm not defending properly.

So anyway, to answer the original question I prefer a middle ground or one that's a bit closer to "punch out your lights".

Jon

[Slindsay]

In competition the problem is that you are breaking the rules to hurt a stranger and gain an unfair advantage from cheating.

In your own school I dont see that as so much of a problem and contact should be to an agreed level.

Tekkengod: the reason not everyone wants full contact competitions is so they can take it less seriously, if a competition is full contact under MMA rules then you need to train what? At least three hours a day every day or you run the risk of getting killed in the ring, not everyone has this much time to train so semi contact competitions allow them to compete but dont require the same sociopathic devotion to their art at the exclusion of friends family and work.

Also the health problems caused by boxing are pretty well documented so I can see MMA having the same affect on its practitioners in later life if they are always fighting full contact.

[StoneDog]

In competition the problem is that you are breaking the rules to hurt a stranger and gain an unfair advantage from cheating.

In your own school I dont see that as so much of a problem and contact should be to an agreed level.
...


I see what you're saying about competition. If you enter a light-contact tournament then you are basically at the mercy of your competitors' honor and/or the vigilance of the judges. In my third tournament I was nearly KO'ed by a full power spinning backfist. The judges called him for excessive contact but I felt that since he landed it he deserved the point if not the win. Because the rules were "light contact" they penalized him a point. I eventually won the match (after my vision cleared) and took 4th over all in the tournament.

I was not proud of that win because of the hit that he landed. But, now that you mention it I shouldn't have felt that bad. I played by the rules of the tournament and he didn't. In escalating the level of contact he gained a temporary advantage. Had we been going full-on from the start there's no telling what would've happened.

Jon

[kickboxingidiot]

ok stonedog
you have highlighted a very valid point
one valid point that has basically said that "liht" contact is a very grey area
right?

so in that case why not scrap it completely?
if you want to compete then call it All or nothing?
hows that?
stops all the silly arguments about excessive contact doesnt it?

I think its ridiculous havign world semi contact or light contact champions
a "champion " of a semi contact discipline doesnt DESERVE to be a champion
rather they desrrve to be someone who is doing it for fun!

only the champions of full contact deserve to be called champions

[Slindsay]

If people dont want to take full contact shots to the head and still want to compete then thats fine by me, they may have other things they value in their life but I dont think that should stop them from competing in MA's.

As an example would you rather be operated on by the doctor who does light contact competition MA or the doctor whos boxes three times a week and competes in boxing matches regularly.

I know which I'd choose.

[kevamania]

only the champions of full contact deserve to be called champions

thats your opinion and you are entitled to it.
full contact fighters do deserve to be called full contact champions,just as much as a semi contact champion deserves to be called a semi contact champion and a kata champion deserves to be called a kata champion etc.
competitions and titles are not what makes a martial artist because we are not all athletes.
all form of competition has its benefits,if you are going to compete you look at whats available to you and what you think will benefit you most.
a competitor should be going in to win,no doubt,but at the end of the day its all about what you learn and you have fun and enjoy it.
so for point fighting,i think a shot with good form and reasonable power,not just a touch but not enough for a KO is best

[kickboxingidiot]

you say " a shot with reasonable power" i.e. a powerful shot???

youre talkign about beign willing to take "powerful shots" ???
if youre going to talk about powerful shots then why nopt just do full contact???

and NO semi champions dont deserve to be champions!!!

You give them a title for winning a tosspot touch contact tournament, they go round shooting their mouths off and saying " its full contact realy" or "its not that light" or they go round tellign everyone their world kickboxing champion ro whatever!!!!
sad but true

[kickboxingidiot]

the bottom line is
LET semi guys compete semi contact and keep it semi
BUT dont give them " the big stage" only the full contact arts deserve that!

you put semi guys in the spotlight, then that kills off the chances for full contact arts getting the recognition they deserve

[jabcrosshook]

the bottom line is
LET semi guys compete semi contact and keep it semi
BUT dont give them " the big stage" only the full contact arts deserve that!

Err...no.

Why do you say that?

you put semi guys in the spotlight, then that kills off the chances for full contact arts getting the recognition they deserve

Let's take your principles. Put the full guys in the spotlight and it kills off the chance of semi getting recognition. :p

You have to realise mate that politics are big in full contact sports. Look at boxing. XX is kept from fighting YY cos it's not in the promoters interest :confused: If you do not have access to a full contact gym does that make you a failure? Not at all. Maybe X gym does not get on well with Y gym so you (from x gym) can't fight someone else from y gym.

A lot of people also have jobs. They simply cannot train for hours every day for a big fight. No way.

What happens with semi? You send a form off to an organisation, turn up on the day, fight and go home. That's it. It's far better run than your "Big spotlight events" which although look good, are riddled with politics. Look at Golden belt. How good is that?

What art do you do?

[kickboxingidiot]

semi is well organised???

the level of contact is not defined
the judges dont have a clue
refs award points for all kind of crap techniques!!!

so much inconsistency in what the judges are looking for.

take the WAKO's for example ,
people turned up at about 10am , adult light continuous didnt start till 7pm in the evening!!!

well organised you say?

Oh and the rounds for the continuous were only a single round of 1.5 mins!!!
and they even charged everyone like £12 to enter???

whats all that about???

Then youre going to say " we dont get to train full tiem blah blah blah! " we have to gop to work the next day blah blah blah!!"

Now it gets even worse, someone gets KO'd in light contact right?
whats the ref do? stop the fight and give a mandatory 28 day medical suspension like they should?
NO!!!

they let the idiot get up again "revive" him/her give him/her medical attnetion (this is after a KO!!!)

THEN they allow the KO'd guy/girl to carry on!!!

it beggars belief!!!

A full contact card has a fixed numebr of figths say 10-12 fights , all are 3 rounds all figthers checked up medically, if a figther gets hit too hard/cant defend themself/ gets put down 3 times in a round/ stays down for a 10 count the fight is stopped!!!

A stopped figther is given a 28 day suspension for his/her own medical safety

The above reason is WHY semi/light contact really needs to be slowly killed off and kept down before they are given the chance to make martial arts more mickey mouse than they are already looking

P.S.
I train in Kickboxing (no not Freestyle karate or lau gar disguised as kickboxing PROPER kickboxing)

[jabcrosshook]

semi is well organised???

Yes - better than a lot of k-1 even :)

the level of contact is not defined
the judges dont have a clue
refs award points for all kind of crap techniques!!!

Crap techniques such as...

take the WAKO's for example ,
people turned up at about 10am , adult light continuous didnt start till 7pm in the evening!!!

well organised you say?

lol - full contact events NEVER get delayed, do they? The last event I attended, 5 fighters pulled out. A trainer from bournemouth (160 miles away) drove down with his fighter and had to go back again because the opponent didn't turn up. Nicely organised is this "proper" kickboxing, eh?

Oh and the rounds for the continuous were only a single round of 1.5 mins!!!
and they even charged everyone like £12 to enter???
And people paid it. Can't be that bad then.

Now it gets even worse, someone gets KO'd in light contact right?
whats the ref do? stop the fight and give a mandatory 28 day medical suspension like they should?
NO!!!

they let the idiot get up again "revive" him/her give him/her medical attnetion (this is after a KO!!!)

THEN they allow the KO'd guy/girl to carry on!!!

it beggars belief!!!

They let the idiot up. Why is someone who's just been KOed an idiot?

A full contact card has a fixed numebr of figths say 10-12 fights , all are 3 rounds all figthers checked up medically, if a figther gets hit too hard/cant defend themself/ gets put down 3 times in a round/ stays down for a 10 count the fight is stopped!!!

In most cases, a knockout results in a stoppage for continuous. You've seen one occurrence and used it as a reference point.

The above reason is WHY semi/light contact really needs to be slowly killed off and kept down before they are given the chance to make martial arts more mickey mouse than they are already looking

So surely, as it is so bad, people will stop going to semi and do real kickboxing. Why haven't they.

I train in Kickboxing (no not Freestyle karate or lau gar disguised as kickboxing PROPER kickboxing)

What ruleset?

[shotokanwarrior]

There are a lot of organisations who could afford to be a LOT less neurotic about the level of contact. You can make it realistic without it being dangerous. So I gave him a tiny little bit of a slap, it won't kill him, for god's sake. I remember someone giving me a VERY light kick to the thigh in training and my sensei came along and said 'use some control, it's not a thumping game'. I couldn't believe it. It can get controlled to the point of being substanceless.

[kickboxingidiot]

nuke or whatever your name is
the people who are stupid to pay £12 to fight a bout of a minute and a half a round (yes one round!!!) are simply that stupid!
either that or theyre too crap to be able to at least do a 3x1.5 mins interclub bout let alone a 3x2 mins PROPER kickboxing bout

youre from leicester right?
leicester PKA it seems , well i never see any of leiceister PKA fighting on Jag Johals shows in leicester

Well i guess that says a lot about this so called "professional" Kickboxing association :P

they call themself the only proper organisation to be recognised for kickboxing and everyone else is a failed karate/kung fu instructor

[jabcrosshook]

nuke or whatever your name is

Idiot of whatever your name is (:D). The name is at the top of the post, not too hard to read. That comment makes you look stupid.

the people who are stupid to pay £12 to fight a bout of a minute and a half a round (yes one round!!!) are simply that stupid!
either that or theyre too crap to be able to at least do a 3x1.5 mins interclub bout let alone a 3x2 mins PROPER kickboxing bout

Are people who give money to charity stupid? They see NOTHING (even less than 1 round)

youre from leicester right?
leicester PKA it seems , well i never see any of leiceister PKA fighting on Jag Johals shows in leicester

Jag asked me if I was interested in fighting for him a while back :D

Adam Coley fought on the show. He was from PKA oldbury :D That point just went out of the window. I also trained at Jag's gym.

Well i guess that says a lot about this so called "professional" Kickboxing association :P

Umm...mate. You lost the plot here? PKA brought kickboxing to England from America. You know Bill Wallace, Benny the Jet? Don Wilson? Joe Lewis? All PKA fighters. Admittedly, it is watered down now, but is that relevant?

they call themself the only proper organisation to be recognised for kickboxing and everyone else is a failed karate/kung fu instructor

They do not say that at all. Where was that.

To be honest, you need a quick history lesson in kickboxing. Are you a professional fighter? Where are you from and where do you train?

[kevamania]

Reasonable power means that if a shot brushes or pushes it doesnt score,the contact must be controlled.you must show control and skill,(sound like characteristics of a champion martial artist dont they!)
I agree that some scores given in semi contact are questionable.wkf have a good system where fighting spirit and awareness must be shown.
i agree that some judging could be better and that fighting spirit and zanshin should be taken into account.I dont agree that semi should be killed off,when done correctly it is a great system.
kickboxingidiot,you say a semi contact champion isnt a semi contact champion???
what about a kata champion or an mma champion,or a kyokushin champion where yes the contact is full but a prime ko area(face) is illegal,do they deserve to be called champions in your opinion?

[jabcrosshook]

Some organisations are now using the Amateur boxing electronic scoreboard and judges for continuous fighting. Comments, anyone?

[kevamania]

Is that the clicker system or is that different again?if they only give scores for clean shots i think it will be good.i know when th eclicker system came in here first some judges were opposed to it a first but like it now

[Wolf]

and NO semi champions dont deserve to be champions!!!


cham·pi·on
n.
1. One that wins first place or first prize in a competition.
2. One that is clearly superior or has the attributes of a winner: a champion at teaching.
3. An ardent defender or supporter of a cause or another person: a champion of the homeless.
4. One who fights; a warrior.

adj.
1. Holding first place or prize

This comes from dictionary.com.

Sounds to me like if there is a competion for light/semi contact and someone wins said competition, then they are a "champion" of that competition plain and simple.