What styles work the best to defend against ju juitsu?

[Nimrook]

I realized that ju juitsu teaches you alot about how to use subs, chokes, and how to get out of said techniques. But is there any style that can help you to avoid the dangers of ju juitsu all together?

[YODA]

Yeah - JJ :D

Ahem...

To defend against something you need to understand it. You would need an art that understands those moves - submission grappling maybe.

[SPAWNPAIN]

:p If want to win in a fight against an specific art, you have to know the art, understand its moves and know the opponent's mind, look in to his eyes only once to know what kind of figher he is, after that look in the midle of his chest to guess his movements, focus on that point ( middle of the chest always ) saty relax and cool and you will win on every art if you want to. ( thats what the teory says :p ) i've never practiced it on the streets before but in kumite it is very usefull.

:( unfortunally you can't win all the battles but learn from every situation in your life and your art will improve.


NOTE: i'm not saying i can win every fighter in this forum ;) maybe one if i'm lucky :D

[natxanadu]

only jujutsu beats jujutsu, thats what my instructor tells me anyway

[Sub zero]

Originally posted by natxanadu
only jujutsu beats jujutsu, thats what my instructor tells me anyway


:eek:

That score a little bitty high on the close minded-o-meter me thinks.

[Aegis]

Yeah, to be honest anyone specialising in one range can beat a jujutsu student as long as they know to keep at that range. Someone who specialises at striking will probably beat a jujutsuka at striking, but if closed down will find themselves outclassed at grappling. Even that's a gross generalisation.

It's been pointed out on the forum before: It's not the art that wins fights, it's the fighter. Everyone has a different fighting style, even 2 students training under the same instructor for the same length of time.

[morphus]

Got to be Ju Jitsu.;)

[SoKKlab]

If you are talking about Brasilian Jiu Jitsu then any art with comparable skill sets/ ideology such as:

Sombo
Catch Wrestling

but the question is a bit like 'how long's a piece of string?'

Answer: Infinite...

[labeledas]

have rubber joints

[Sub zero]

Originally posted by SoKKlab
If you are talking about Brasilian Jiu Jitsu then any art with comparable skill sets/ ideology such as:

Sombo
Catch Wrestling

but the question is a bit like 'how long's a piece of string?'

Answer: Infinite...

Twice half it's length
:D

[Jim]

I know I'm gunna regret this... Capoeria

[xplasma]

Originally posted by Jim
I know I'm gunna regret this... Capoeria


I going to take that as a joke. I have fought a capoeria guy, with ninpo and BJJ . I was at a "fight party" and the local capoeria club was invited. The first time I fought I had the capeoria gus in a rear naked choke in 20 secs. And that is cause he was dancing for 10 seconds of it while I just watched.

Capoeria = dancing or game

Capoeria as a fighting style goes with Tai Chi and Tae Bo as fighting styles.

[Jim]

Really? I wouldn't know... * Looks at feet and whistles innocently.

[Sub zero]

Originally posted by xplasma

Capoeria as a fighting style goes with Tai Chi and Tae Bo as fighting styles.


Obvisouly you have never thaught a real tai chi exponent. I'l admit i thaught the same until i had the chance to spar with one of them.

You get alot of tai chi clubs focussing on helth benefits (which there are but they don't even teach them correctly) and totaly leave the martial side ot. Which in my experince is very, very effectice.

Tai bo is a cardio vascular exercise and to m knowledge was never intned to be a combat system. But some people take it as one.

[J-kid]

other grappling arts and of course jujitsu

[littlebird]

Given an enclosed clear arena and certain "civil" rules like in the UFC, the grappler takes away the tools of the other fighters,
and reduces them to grappling.

If however the other fighter understands the attacks of the grappler (he doesn't have to master them) and he is a superior athlete at his own method, he may beat the grappler.

In a gang, or street fight, or a bar room, the grappler's advantages are reduced considerably.
If the opponent has simple weapons (not guns of course) the grappler is at a disadvantage because in closing he presents his body to the edge of a blade, or the poke of a stick/point, or a sharp corner.
Likewise against more than 1 the grappler is at a disadvantage because he must close on 1, and the other is not prohibited from strong powerful blows.

Even with say 3 grapplers against 4 men, there will be 1 opponent free to say "roundhouse" each grappler in turn as they clinch with their opponent.

For further illumination, say a "striker" and a grappler are in a UFC situation and each may have if they desire two pieces of a broken glass bottle like might be found on a street. It changes entirely the situation. The grappler's advantage is to cling, but then he can be cut. Of course the grappler may cut the opponent as well, but he is not grappling then!

littlebird

[Aegis]

You have a somewhat flawed view of grappling, especially with regard to multiple opponents. A lot of grappling styles don't clinch, they get inside an opponent's guard, use him as a shield if necessary, throw to the ground and stamp to finish, still keeping the one opponent between themself and the other(s). This is often very quickly done so that the time taken to deal with the first opponent is as quick as, if not quicker than a striker. As a striker you have to worry about your powerful fight-finishing technique glancing off your opponent rather than doing its job, in this case you're left with the original number of opponents with one already inside your optimum striking range.

In reality, a combination of striking and grappling is going to be needed for any multiple attacker situation, or any situation involving weapons. Just striking or just grappling will eventually leave you at a range you can't fight at.

[littlebird]

Aegis, I essentially can agree with most of what you said, and still feel my points were valid.

My examples were for clarification of weaknesses, AND pointing out how the rules and/or the situations handicap a "pure" style.

OF COURSE If a man, be he grappler, or striker or dancer, or anywhere in between can throw his opponent to the ground or into another opponent QUICKLY then what the heck? HE WILL WIN EASILY, ANYWAY, ANY METHOD!

[Syd]

Don't knock Tai-Bo man! I'm getting my black belt grading in it next week and I'm already a 1st Dan in Origami!

[LovernotFighter]

its called Loaded-.22-do

[dustIn credible]

im going to say a true Muay Tai master or JKD (but im partical to the last one lol)

[Kwan Jang]

-First of all, controling the set point to keep any fighter who is limited to only being really effective in one range and keeping them out of it will win virtually every time. That is the value of cross training. If your opponet is a superior grappler (as an example), stick and move, use a lot of stop hits. If someone is looking for the takedown, be at least as good at the sprawl and counterstrike.
-Secondly, in contrast to many posts on this thread, not all JJ systems even specialize in grappling. While many do, there are several that focus on striking (including punching and kicking). Keep in mind, in Japan there are literally over 800 systems of JJ categorized.
-Third, thiugh I do teach JJ (and have been training in it since 1971) and do teach the basics of BJJ to our students from brown belt through 1st dan; for 2nd dan and up (while we still teach and train the BJJ) we mostly switch to more NHB-type groundwork (mostly coming from Frank Shamrock:Frank mainly combines judo, sambo, and submission grappling for his groundwork. It's based more on movement rather than being static on the ground like BJJ) because it is overall more effective and versitile on the ground IMO.
-Finally, from personal experience, I've had the best success against grappling and groundfighting by shutting down the motor units and bypassing their concious control using pressure point grappling (tuite) from systems like small circle jujitsu and Ryukyu kempo jitsu (or also CDT for a more simplified version only focussing on the high percentage points). Some on this board argue that it's too hard to strike a point on a moving target (though I have had no trouble doing this), but I know beyond any shadow of a doubt that, if you are skilled at it, using points in grappling to attack a joint is something just about anybody can do.(maybe even Yoda.LOL)