Guess who tito is fighting

[Tom O'Brien]

- TITO ORTIZ VS. PRO BOXER DANA WHITE
Tuesday, March 06, 2007 - by Ivan Trembow and Ken Pishna - MMAWeekly.com
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Dana White, President of the Ultimate Fighting Championship, officially received his professional boxing license from the Nevada State Athletic Commission on Monday morning.

White was attemping to acquire such a license in order to fulfill a contractual promise that he made to professional MMA fighter Tito Ortiz when Ortiz re-signed with the UFC in 2006.

With the license in hand, White is now cleared to face Ortiz in an exhibition boxing match that will consist of three rounds of three minutes each. All of the standard ringside precautions will be taken, and the bout will take place under the auspices of a professional boxing referee, although there will be no judges or scoring of rounds due to the bout's exhibition status.

The bout is scheduled to take place on March 24th and will not be open to the public. There are plans to air the bout on UFC.com (though not live), with the majority of the financial proceeds going to charity. There will also be a documentary about Ortiz and White's training for the bout on Spike TV.

White received his license following a 3-1 vote by the NSAC to approve him. The lone dissenting vote was from Dr. Raymond “Skip” Avansino, Jr. who after much discussion said that he could not justify granting a license to an 0-0 professional boxer to face a fighter with as much experience as Tito Ortiz, albeit as a mixed martial artist and not as a professional boxer.

At one point, White did say that he was doing this because he wanted to live up to the word that he gave when he promised the bout to Ortiz. Reassuring the commission, he said, “Believe me, if I thought I was going to get seriously injured… I wouldn’t do it.”

UFC Chief Operating Officer Kirk Hendrick also spoke on behalf of White, saying that he really has been training for this and is taking it seriously. “This is not WWE wrestling. This is not Vince McMahon getting in the ring. We’re taking this seriously,” said Hendrick, addressing another concern of Avansino’s that this was some sort of “publicity event.”

At one point, when Dr. Avansino was saying that he couldn't justify voting in favor of granting White a license to fight Ortiz because he felt it was a mismatch in favor of Ortiz, Hendrick said that if anything it would be a mismatch in favor of White. Hendrick said to the athletic commission that White used to "dominate" Ortiz when they would spar together.

White was an amateur boxer from the ages of 17 to 24 (which would be 1988 to 1995) before turning to managing fighters and then to his current position as president of Zuffa, which is now the most successful mixed martial arts company in the United States, if not the world.

In the end, the argument for the bout to take place won out, and the 3-1 vote was cast in favor of newly licensed professional boxer Dana White.

White said towards the end of the meeting, "Believe me, I'm never going to fight again after this."
Thanks,
Sensei Tom

[Tom O'Brien]

March 05, 2007
Nevada OKs grudge match between UFC chief White and Tito Ortiz

ASSOCIATED PRESS
LAS VEGAS (AP) - Nevada regulators on Monday approved an unusual grudge match between Ultimate Fighting Championship president Dana White and the "bad boy" of Huntington Beach, Calif., Tito Ortiz.
White, is the 37-year-old president of the mixed martial arts promotion company that has become a heavyweight in the pay-per-view business. Ortiz (15-5-0) is one of its toughest, most popular combatants.
Ortiz made the three-round match - in which both fighters will box only, no grappling - a condition of his recent contract negotiations.
White was once Ortiz' manager, but the two "had a real bad falling out" in 2003, White said.
"The last time Tito and I boxed was six years ago and he's a lot better than he was six years ago," White said after a hearing at the Nevada Athletic Commission, which approved the fight 3-1. "I'm a lot older than I was six years ago, so we'll see."
Regulators expressed concern that White would be seriously hurt by Ortiz, 32.
But most commissioners were reassured by sparring tapes showing White in the ring against another heavyweight from two months ago. White said he's been training since last July.
"I've seen Tito as a boxer, and he's probably not as good as you are," commission chair Dr. Tony Alamo told White.
Ortiz will weigh in at 205 pounds, while White weighs 196 pounds, both the boxing equivalent of heavyweight fighters.
The fight March 24 will likely take place at the UFC training center in Las Vegas and be broadcast later on the company's Web site, http://www.ufc.com , the company said.
I thought that what Dr. Tony Alamo said was interesting.
Thanks,
Sensei Tom

[tekkengod]

this will be alot of fun to watch! who gets to fight their boss ? dream!

[Yohan]

It will be fun to watch. It's a huge gimmick, but i bet it'll be AWESOME!!

[Fishbone.]

It's a huge gimmick

Seconded.. Media attention as always

[gornex]

Tito is going to fight Dana white on march 24.

Its going to be a 3 round boxing exhibition match.

http://sports.bostonherald.com/ufc/view.bg?articleid=187736

[NaughtyKnight]

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

[Kwajman]

Lets see, Dana signs Tito's checks.....guess who's going to win?

[Apotheosis]

There is bad blood between the two of them, I doubt Tito will try to knockout his boss but I also doubt his boss will do anything to anger one of his biggest stars...

BTW- I saw somewhere that when the NSAC approved the bout, the commissioner said he thought Dana was the better boxer...

[gornex]

Dana used to be an amateur boxer too.

[Sever]

Better in that he's more experienced in actual boxing - there's not really much arguing that since White's got an amateur boxing record and owned (maybe still owns, I'm not inclined to look into that) a few boxing gyms
Essentially, the story behind this is that White used to manage Ortiz, they were good friends, then Ortiz wanted a ludicrous amount of money to resign his contract before the TUF-boom, White said no, Ortiz left the UFC, made claims about starting his own organisation, bad mouthed White to anyone who'd listen and did a couple of cameos in straight to video movies and pro wrestling appearances. White later figured that Ortiz was good for business, brought him in for TUF3 and they figured that they want to be on good terms again, so they need to settle it in the ring. All told, I wish my boss would let me fight him

[bonita]

puuuulease!

[Apotheosis]

Here is the direct quoteSource (http://www.prowrestling.com/article/mma/324)

"
Regulators expressed concern that White would be seriously hurt by Ortiz, 32.

But most commissioners were reassured by sparring tapes showing White in the ring against another heavyweight from two months ago. White said he’s been training since last July.

“I’ve seen Tito as a boxer, and he’s probably not as good as you are,” commission chair Dr. Tony Alamo told White.

Ortiz will weigh in at 205 pounds, while White weighs 196 pounds, both the boxing equivalent of heavyweight fighters."

[NaughtyKnight]

Dana used to be an amateur boxer too.

Yeh, he used to be an ammature boxer, like 10 years ago.

He has NEVER had a pro fight before.

[BGile]

This must be a desperate try for more business, LOL if Dana allows this and goes this route, he must figure he can win IMHO..

Gary

[NaughtyKnight]

If he wins, we know UFC fixes fights, and I'll never watch it again.

[Apotheosis]

If he wins, we know UFC fixes fights, and I'll never watch it again.

MMA isn't boxing, Dana should be able to outbox Tito for 4 rounds.

[NaughtyKnight]

Um, a pro fighter, who trains non stop, vs an ex ammature boxer? Are you having a laugh. You really think Dana can out box tito?

MMA involves alot of boxing.

[gornex]

Um, a pro fighter, who trains non stop, vs an ex ammature boxer? Are you having a laugh. You really think Dana can out box tito?

MMA involves alot of boxing.

I think i read somewhere that Dana has been training really hard for this, and isn't planning on just showing up for it. I think he filmed some of his training and there will be a show on it or something on spike. Anyway i think Dana is planning on showing up in good shape and trying to win.

[Apotheosis]

Um, a pro fighter, who trains non stop, vs an ex ammature boxer? Are you having a laugh. You really think Dana can out box tito?

MMA involves alot of boxing.

The pro MMA fighter has to split his time between boxing, kickboxing, takedowns, takedown defense, BJJ, wrestling etc...

Dana has likely been drilling his boxing for months if not a year or so...Tito has to worry about fighting MMA.

I doubt Tito is training much boxing at all, while I think Dana is doing it almost nonstop. Not to mention Dana has a lot more boxing experience while Tito is just now learning how to throw a decent jab.

If Tito takes it serious and clinches, he will dominate. But Dana can seriously outbox Tito if he keeps his distance and boxes as opposed to brawling.

[Oversoul]

All told, I wish my boss would let me fight him

I'm sure you're not alone in that sentiment.

[PASmith]

My boss is one of my old instructors.
3rd Dan Hapkido, Silver gloves Savate, Sub grappling etc etc
I'd fight him but I'd probably lose. :o

[spirez]

Erm, when has Tito ever shown great boxing ability? Boxing concepts are learnt in MMA, not true boxing. As mentioned they don;t have time to focus fully on this, unless of couse they've come from a boxing background (which Tito certainly hasn't)

And Bgile, why exactly would you think that the UFC is desperate for business at the moment? they are massive right now.

Publicity stunt? Most definitely.

Desperate? Erm, not quite

[NaughtyKnight]

Yeh, cause MMA fighters cant box :rolleyes:. Do me a favour.

[spirez]

Who said they couldn't box? Try reading next time...

they don't have time to focus fully on this

ie many of them cannot box well unless they've come from that background.

At the top level and under the Marquess of Queensberry rules, you think an MMA fighter will beat a boxer?

[slipthejab]

At the top level and under the Marquess of Queensberry rules, you think an MMA fighter will beat a boxer?

No I don't think most would fare very well under proper boxing rules.

The punching you see in MMA that so many liken to boxing is total crap by comparison. Boxing is an entirely different sport. Entirely. It ain't called the sweetest science for nothing.

The stance, the guard, the movement, in technique, in the strategy.
In their repsective weight classes... most MMA fighters who attempted to fight under boxing rules would get flattened in very short order.

:eek:

For that matter most Muay Thai guys who tend to have far better punching skills than most MMA guys would get eaten for breakfast by boxers in their respective weight classes.

[BGile]

For that matter most Muay Thai guys who tend to have far better punching skills than most MMA guys would get eaten for breakfast by boxers in their respective weight classes.
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Boy isnt that the truth.

Center line is so important in boxing and the Muay Thai guy wants you there. But he will be denied his most valuable tool his leg. It can be used to move but not strike.

So I have to ask, is kickboxing and Muay Thai a good competition?

I enjoy all the boxing training first and foremost in my training program of late MT included. But I still have time to also train in my next "bestest thing" FMA... :D

This is something I have to ask, anyone read about the boxer rebellion ;)

Gary

[slipthejab]

For that matter most Muay Thai guys who tend to have far better punching skills than most MMA guys would get eaten for breakfast by boxers in their respective weight classes.

I'm envisioning a food chain here. :D

[Apotheosis]

The punching you see in MMA that so many liken to boxing is total crap by comparison. Boxing is an entirely different sport. Entirely. It ain't called the sweetest science for nothing.
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No that is because whoever coined that term was very ignorant..Kickboxing is more complicated than boxing, MMA is more complicated than both.

Not saying MMA>boxing because they are obviously 2 different sports, but MMA simply has many more variables involved.


Obviously boxers are better punchers than everyone else...

However is an older amateur boxer a better puncher than a professional MMA fighter?

[slipthejab]

No that is because whoever coined that term was very ignorant..Kickboxing is more complicated than boxing, MMA is more complicated than both.
err... wah?

1) The heighth of irony. :D
It'd pay for you to know what your talking about before you start calling people ignorant. You might want to Google Pierce Egan or A. J. Liebling before you stick your foot further in your mouth. ;)

2) Last I checked the criteria for what was the 'sweetest science' wasn't what was most complicated.

3) What is more 'complicated' is infinitely debatable and highly subjective

4) It makes little sense because it's an apples to oranges comparison anyhow. Underwater-inverted-basket-weaving-while-pregnant and in straight-jacket is more complicated than all of them put together... but... lol... so what.

5) It misses the point of my post entirely.

My point was (and still is) that when people refer to much of the punching in MMA as boxing... it very inaccurate... or to use your word... ignorant... because it pales in comparison to real boxing... most times it's not even close to boxing... because most people have a very shoddy understanding of boxing anyhow.

In speed, in delivery, in technique, in the ability to leave you in the position to string 4 or 5 more punches off of it... in so many ways it's not boxing.

There are from time to time good punches thrown in MMA... but good punches are commonplace core stuff in boxing. It is the bread and butter of the boxer. The punchers that many people favor in MMA as being good boxers would get cleaned up in boxing rules bout in their respective weight divisions.. in fact I'd say even many lighter weight boxers would clean them up.

Why?
Because their punching skills are not up to snuff with what many of us know boxing to be... and that would last a short while indeed under a boxing ruleset.

Does that mean they aren't strong punchers? Nope.

Does that mean they can't fight? Nope.

Does it mean they don't have the same level of skill in regards to boxing technique as boxers do? Yup.

Not saying MMA>boxing because they are obviously 2 different sports, but MMA simply has many more variables involved.
obviously. :rolleyes:

However is an older amateur boxer a better puncher than a professional MMA fighter?
In terms of boxing technique.. simply.. yes.
Of course. It's a foregone conclusion. Take one look at the any of the top amatuers... the boys in the Golden Gloves... guys who went Olympic... guys who eventually went pro...

You don't and won't see that skill level in boxing in professional MMA.
There may be an exception that comes sort of close... but generally that's the exception that underscores the rule.

MMA guys haven't got the time to train it... plain and simple.

[Oversoul]

You don't and won't see that skill level in boxing in professional MMA.
There may be an exception that comes sort of close... but generally that's the exception that underscores the rule.

But even if an MMA fighter did have that kind of boxing skill (which would be unlikely for exactly the reason you mentioned), he wouldn't be able to use it in MMA, because he'd have to modify it to account for all the techniques that don't exist in boxing...

[slipthejab]

I agree.

[BGile]

Could you imagine Evander H. in with say, Randy C. I like um both but there is not a question as to who is going to win...Boxing wise that is... Problem is the size of the ring and if you dont fight and run, but that would not be the case between these two.
IMHO...

[NaughtyKnight]

No I don't think most would fare very well under proper boxing rules.

The punching you see in MMA that so many liken to boxing is total crap by comparison. Boxing is an entirely different sport. Entirely. It ain't called the sweetest science for nothing.

The stance, the guard, the movement, in technique, in the strategy.
In their repsective weight classes... most MMA fighters who attempted to fight under boxing rules would get flattened in very short order.

:eek:

For that matter most Muay Thai guys who tend to have far better punching skills than most MMA guys would get eaten for breakfast by boxers in their respective weight classes.

Yeh mate. No one can best a boxer at his own game. With that said. Pro vs OLD ammature... :p

[spirez]

But even if an MMA fighter did have that kind of boxing skill (which would be unlikely for exactly the reason you mentioned), he wouldn't be able to use it in MMA, because he'd have to modify it to account for all the techniques that don't exist in boxing...

Yep, take that dude Marcus Davies that was on The Ultimate Fighter 2 (i think) and also some slick dark haired dude in TUF 3. Davies was a Golden Gloves boxer and the other dude may have been too, but both got totally owned when they tried to box in the octagon.

I'm glad we reached a unanimous conclusion on this anyway.

As for Tito Vs Dana, i tihnk Tito will win through with conditioning, not boxing ability.

[Apotheosis]

1) The heighth of irony. :D
It'd pay for you to know what your talking about before you start calling people ignorant. You might want to Google Pierce Egan or A. J. Liebling before you stick your foot further in your mouth. ;)

You used the term "Sweetest Science"..as far as I know that is not the term used by the two men you named. The way you said it, implied that it was more complicated and difficult than MMA.

2) Last I checked the criteria for what was the 'sweetest science' wasn't what was most complicated. [/QUOTE]

No, it would be the science that is "sweetest". However you are the one who made the term up, so feel free to define it as you wish.


My point was (and still is) that when people refer to much of the punching in MMA as boxing... it very inaccurate... or to use your word... ignorant... because it pales in comparison to real boxing... most times it's not even close to boxing... because most people have a very shoddy understanding of boxing anyhow.

I disagree, by definition when they use their fists it is "boxing". It certainly isn't the best example of boxing but it still is boxing, just as a match between two terrible boxers is still boxing.



In speed, in delivery, in technique, in the ability to leave you in the position to string 4 or 5 more punches off of it... in so many ways it's not boxing.

You are describing great boxing, as far as I know no one has every claimed that any MMA fighters are great boxers..


Does it mean they don't have the same level of skill in regards to boxing technique as boxers do? Yup.


In terms of boxing technique.. simply.. yes.
Of course. It's a foregone conclusion. Take one look at the any of the top amatuers... the boys in the Golden Gloves... guys who went Olympic... guys who eventually went pro...

There are some MMA fighters who have won Golden Gloves, I would say that there are MMA fighters who have not that would beat them in a boxing bout.


You don't and won't see that skill level in boxing in professional MMA.
There may be an exception that comes sort of close... but generally that's the exception that underscores the rule.


Of course not and I never claimed we would.

[gornex]

As for Tito Vs Dana, i tihnk Tito will win through with conditioning, not boxing ability.

I don't know about how much of an advantage will give tito, its only a 3 round fight and if dana has been training hard i think he might be able to win.

[slipthejab]

You used the term "Sweetest Science"..as far as I know that is not the term used by the two men you named.

err.. wrong.
Your Google skillz are t3h sUXxor!
Since you couldn't figure it out (even with references provided)..
I broke it down in a form you might understand.

Pierce Egan (1772-1849), early journalist, sportswriter, and writer on popular culture. He wrote first about boxing in his serial publication, Boxiana, or Sketches of Ancient and Modern Pugilism (1813-1828), in which he originated the description of boxing as "the sweet science".
Abbott Joseph Liebling (October 18, 1904 – December 28, 1963)...Following the war he returned to regular magazine fare and for many years after he wrote a New Yorker monthly feature called "Wayward Press", in which he analyzed the US press. Liebling was also an avid fan of boxing... In 2002, Sports Illustrated named his The Sweet Science the best sports book of all time.

Boxing, called pugilism (from Latin), prizefighting (when referring to professional boxing) or the sweet science[1] is a sport and martial art in which two participants of similar weight fight each other with their fists in a series of one to three-minute intervals called "rounds".

source:
1) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierce_Egan
2) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A._J._Liebling
3) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxing

The way you said it, implied that it was more complicated and difficult than MMA.

By referring to it as 'the sweetest science' doesn't imply that. That's what you read into it. Again it helps if you actually understand what you're talking about. Don't try to put words into someones mouth because you don't understand what they're saying.

Last I checked the criteria for what was the 'sweetest science' wasn't what was most complicated.

No, it would be the science that is "sweetest". However you are the one who made the term up, so feel free to define it as you wish.

Wrong.
Go back and read up before you further embarrass yourself.
I didn't anymore coin the phrase than you've been able comprehend what I posted.

That you'd never heard the term before even though it's probably the most common phrase in boxing parlance this century goes a long way towards explaining your understanding of boxing... which is to say... not very much verging on nada. ;)


In speed, in delivery, in technique, in the ability to leave you in the position to string 4 or 5 more punches off of it... in so many ways it's not boxing.
You are describing great boxing, as far as I know no one has every claimed that any MMA fighters are great boxers..

err... no I'm describing journeyman boxing skills.
Nothing more nothing less.

I disagree, by definition when they use their fists it is "boxing". It certainly isn't the best example of boxing but it still is boxing, just as a match between two terrible boxers is still boxing.

Ah my dear Apotheosis... ever the semantic gymnast.
By your logic - TKD punches are boxing punches and a TKD point sparring match is boxing match. :eek:
BWHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! You might want to actually want to watch a boxing match (or several hundred) and then come back to this thread and post something that makes sense.


In terms of boxing technique.. simply.. yes.
Of course. It's a foregone conclusion. Take one look at the any of the top amatuers... the boys in the Golden Gloves... guys who went Olympic... guys who eventually went pro...
There are some MMA fighters who have won Golden Gloves, I would say that there are MMA fighters who have not that would beat them in a boxing bout.

Hmm... that doesn't really stand up to reason.
You're saying boxer who's won the Golden Gloves would be fighting an MMA fighter who's not neccessarily got a boxing background, yet this MMA fighter is somehow going to beat a Golden Gloves champ under boxing rules in the same weight category? :eek: :confused:

What planet are you living on? :confused:

[Fighter4Higher]

err.. wrong.
Your Google skillz are t3h sUXxor!
Since you couldn't figure it out (even with references provided)..
I broke it down in a form you might understand.






source:
1) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierce_Egan
2) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A._J._Liebling
3) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxing



By referring to it as 'the sweetest science' doesn't imply that. That's what you read into it. Again it helps if you actually understand what you're talking about. Don't try to put words into someones mouth because you don't understand what they're saying.





Wrong.
Go back and read up before you further embarrass yourself.
I didn't anymore coin the phrase than you've been able comprehend what I posted.

That you'd never heard the term before even though it's probably the most common phrase in boxing parlance this century goes a long way towards explaining your understanding of boxing... which is to say... not very much verging on nada. ;)





err... no I'm describing journeyman boxing skills.
Nothing more nothing less.



Ah my dear Apotheosis... ever the semantic gymnast.
By your logic - TKD punches are boxing punches and a TKD point sparring match is boxing match. :eek:
BWHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! You might want to actually want to watch a boxing match (or several hundred) and then come back to this thread and post something that makes sense.





Hmm... that doesn't really stand up to reason.
You're saying boxer who's won the Golden Gloves would be fighting an MMA fighter who's not neccessarily got a boxing background, yet this MMA fighter is somehow going to beat a Golden Gloves champ under boxing rules in the same weight category? :eek: :confused:

What planet are you living on? :confused:



My brain.. my brain!!! :bang:

My money is on Tito.. I mean C'mon!! If he can't outbox Dana he atleast can take his punches?

[slipthejab]

My brain.. my brain!!! :bang:

My money is on Tito.. I mean C'mon!! If he can't outbox Dana he atleast can take his punches?


:D
ROTFLMAO!!!!

[Apotheosis]

err.. wrong.
Your Google skillz are t3h sUXxor!
Since you couldn't figure it out (even with references provided)..
I broke it down in a form you might understand.

Thanks for your kindness, you sure are swell.


By referring to it as 'the sweetest science' doesn't imply that. That's what you read into it. Again it helps if you actually understand what you're talking about. Don't try to put words into someones mouth because you don't understand what they're saying.

It does imply that...



Ah my dear Apotheosis... ever the semantic gymnast.
By your logic - TKD punches are boxing punches and a TKD point sparring match is boxing match. :eek:
BWHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! You might want to actually want to watch a boxing match (or several hundred) and then come back to this thread and post something that makes sense.

Main Entry: 1box·ing
Pronunciation: 'bäk-si[ng]
Function: noun
: the art of attack and defense with the fists practiced as a sport

Source (http://www.merriamwebster.com/cgi-bin/dictionary)

Boxers do not have a patent on the art of using fists, or boxing...they are just the cream of the crop.


Hmm... that doesn't really stand up to reason.
You're saying boxer who's won the Golden Gloves would be fighting an MMA fighter who's not neccessarily got a boxing background, yet this MMA fighter is somehow going to beat a Golden Gloves champ under boxing rules in the same weight category? :eek: :confused:

What planet are you living on? :confused:

Yes, an example would be Stephen Bonnar, do you think his boxing is better than everyone else at his weight class?

I think Griffen, Jardine, Lyoto, Rampage etc.. are all better boxers.

Just because they have never "officially" boxed does not mean they are no good at it. They wouldn't beat world champions, but they can beat Golden Glove winners.


Pierce Egan (1772-1849), early journalist, sportswriter, and writer on popular culture. He wrote first about boxing in his serial publication, Boxiana, or Sketches of Ancient and Modern Pugilism (1813-1828), in which he originated the description of boxing as "the sweet science".

I see the "sweet science" and not the "sweetest science"....the difference is pretty large.

Just as saying someone is great is much different from saying they are the greatest...


Abbott Joseph Liebling (October 18, 1904 – December 28, 1963)...Following the war he returned to regular magazine fare and for many years after he wrote a New Yorker monthly feature called "Wayward Press", in which he analyzed the US press. Liebling was also an avid fan of boxing... In 2002, Sports Illustrated named his The Sweet Science the best sports book of all time.

Again, not the "sweetest" but the sweet science...adding the "est" makes a difference.

Mike Tyson was a great boxer, not the greatest...


Boxing, called pugilism (from Latin), prizefighting (when referring to professional boxing) or the sweet science[1] is a sport and martial art in which two participants of similar weight fight each other with their fists in a series of one to three-minute intervals called "rounds".

Same here...

[slipthejab]

LOL!

More semantic gymnastics from the waffle-master. :D

[gornex]

I think there is only one way to solve this argument, and i know were all thinking the same thing. You two must fight so apo can learn to appreciate slips boxing skills.

[TheDarkJester]

While I'm not gonna say whose going to win over the other... but what I've seen from tito isn't boxing.. its brawling at its finest.. If white can stick and move and hold him off for 3 rounds then this should be pretty damn good.

[NaughtyKnight]

From a betting standpoint, I'd put a few $ on Dana. Just because the odds will DEFINATLY be in my favour.

I mean come on. Who would bet an ammature boxer to beat a pro fighter :p.

Its not JUST an ammature boxer btw. He hasnt had a fight for how long?

Anyway. Talking aside. I cant wait to see this fight take fold.

[Apotheosis]

Tito didn't show up for the weigh-in so the fight was canceled, is Tito seriously ducking a fight with Dana knowing full well all proceeds were going to charity?

Source (http://www.thefightnetwork.com/news_detail.php?nid=3491)

[g-bells]

so they did'nt fight/spar ?????

[Apotheosis]

Nope...since Tito was a no-show the exhibition was canceled..

Dana showed up and was weighed though...

Tito really pissed off the NSAC as they had officials ready and have already sanctioned the exhibition despite taking a ton of flak for it.

[Tom O'Brien]

Tito Ortiz No-Shows, Bout With Dana White Never Happened

The following is from Dave Meltzer'website,WrestlingObserver.com:

Is that Tito Ortiz no-showed the weigh-in and the fight never happened.

The Nevada State Athletic Commission was not happy with this turn of events as they had officials there. Dana White was there and got weighed-in. There was no communication from Ortiz as to why he wasn't there. Ortiz did call White and leave him a messages saying that he was letting him off the hook, but White didn't think that message meant he was cancelling the match.

Spike TV was scheduled to air a 90 minute television special building up the PPV of the fight.
Post by Joe Daddy
I just think it was very unprofessional of Tito to stand him up like that. Tito is supposed to be a champion. He did not act like one. I think it was ‘no class’.
Thanks,
Sensei Tom

[wazzabi]

what a disappointment. i would have wanted to see them fight.....

[Sever]

Two threads on this topic merged :)

[Pacificshore]

Anyone catch that last night on Spike?

[Ular Sawa]

I caught the first part that explained the historical perspective between the two of them. Anyone know how it turned out?

[gornex]

yeah, they didn't fight, it ended with tito no showing up for weigh ins and that was it, kinda disappointing.

[Hiroji]

Yeh, i read that tit didnt fight because "his girlfriend told him not too" or something like that.

[Pacificshore]

Ok, so I wonder how much money Dana paid Tito not to show up at the weigh-in ;)

[Gufbal1981]

That whole special was lame.

[Thomas]

I was pretty mad by the end. Long day of work, couple hours of training, stayed up late to watch the hour and a half "Tito vs Dana" thing and there was no fight!!!!!!! :bang:

The buildup was really good and there was some fascinating stuff in there but I hated the ending. They should've editted it down to a 5 minute video and showed it between Ulitmate Fight Night matches.

[Sever]

Another thread on this subject merged

[KenpoDavid]

the history was interesting but overall a real let-down.

Do you think Tito originally proposed the match as a negotiation tactic to try to get more moeny or whatever, and then was surprised when Dana accepted? I mean, it's a lose-lose for Tito from the start.

[gornex]

Like tito thinks stuff through, he probably doesn't know what negotiation tactic means.