How Did Master Bruce Lee Actualy Died

[AgentX]

Do you people know how Bruce Lee died?
Whas it a mystery?




With honor to the great master.

[Dark Blade]

He died from an allergic reaction to a prescription pill his friend gave him for a head ace.

[David]

Cannabis gave him the 'head-ache'. Master???

Rgds,
David

[Greg-VT]

Originally posted by David
Cannabis gave him the 'head-ache'.

Not 'officially'. The report stated that the cannabis was only minimal, and did not cause any harm in relation to the headache or the death.

Bruce had been chewing it for a while, and it hadn't had any 'negitive effects' on him during that time...

Master???


I'm in the same boat as you with this one, David.

[johndoch]

If Bruce Lees not a master then what about all these so called masters you see dotted all over the net and in any MA mag that you read.

[Tosh]

Much like the "one hand clapping" thread.......

Bruce Lee's death will ultimately always be discussed unless people realise they should concentrate on thier own life rather than death.

Mystery or not, he still died.

[Jiam]

Amen, Johndoch. My school of Karate believes that no one among us can be called master, because there is always something more to learn, someone better in the martial arts. However, if you compare Bruce Lee to the "masters" of today, I would definitely say he takes the cake.

[AgentX]

BRUCE is a symbol.
The Martial Artist which is known by everyone.

[hwardo]

I have read in a couple of different qigong related publications that Bruce Lee may have died because he "short circuited" his system through incorrect or forceful qi cultivation over time.
I am not sure where I stand on his being a master, but there is no doubt that the guy pushed every possible limit, both in the physical and in the psyche. Perhaps it is one of those cliched adages about the candle burning brightest having the shortest wick, or some such thing.

[SoKKlab]

He died of shock when he realised that his memory would be glorified like a turd in aspic.

That whooshing sound-Bruce turning in his grave.

[Greg-VT]

LOL

[jmd161]

I've never heard him refered to as master Bruce Lee before. lol :D


But hey i guess different people see him in different ways?



jeff:)

[Terry Matthes]

I have read in a couple of different qigong related publications that Bruce Lee may have died because he "short circuited" his system through incorrect or forceful qi cultivation over time.
Are you serious? That is one of the funniest things I have ever heard :D

[hwardo]

Have you ever seen what can happen to folks who incorrectly practice qigong? Whether you believe that it can make you a superior martial artist is quite arguable. That it can seriously *$#! your body up is not. It is even listed in China's version of the DSM-4 as "Chi gung deviation/psychosis."
But obviously, we're all just speculating here. Its a mystery after all (insert spooky ghost sounds).

[KickChick]

Facts, Rumours And Half Truths
March 1996 Issue Of Impact. Written By Lot Sze.


Bruce Lee's death was the greatest single shock ever experienced by Hong Kong film industry. It's hard to describe the reaction on the
21st of July 1973, when everyone woke up to find that Lee had died. Almost immediately, wild rumours and speculation began to circulate concerning the circumstances of his death.
For myself, I'd like to start by saying that I believe Bruce died as a result of the combined effect of his being overworked, oversexed, overdosed... We'll probably never know for a fact which of these factors definitely killed him, but I think it was a combination of the above.


* The most popular story printed in the Hong Kong scandal sheets after Lee's death had it that he had been killed by the American Mafia. Apparently, after The Green Hornet, the Mafia wanted to sign him to a contract to become the first Oriental star in Hollywood. Bruce refused, and that was why he had to go back to Hong Kong.
Why did he die? Because he tried to move back from Hong Kong to Hollywood. Later, the rumours tied Brandon's death in with the same story. Brandon came back to Hong Kong a few times after filming Legacy Of Rage to investigate his father's death. He found out the truth, and that was why he had to die. These stories formed the basis of a number of the Bruce Lee exploitation films, including Game Of Death. However, they had been reported as "fact" by Hong Kong newspapers.

* A recurring aspect of the stories concerning Bruce's death is that he did not die in Betty Ting Pei's apartment, that he was killed elsewhere and his body moved there after his demise. Ting Pei was set up, in other words. The "Mafia story" believers say he was held at gunpoint, beaten to death and then had his body taken to Ting Pei's apartment. His face had to be heavily made up for the funeral because of the injuries he had suffered.

* Another popular story has it that Lee was having an affair with the wife of a powerful gangster boss. Bruce had been training hard, took a powerful new aphrodisiac, and then, "lost control" while they were making love. This woman didn't know how to handle it. This was in the same building as Ting Pei's apartment. After he died, as result of taking this "love potion", he was moved to Betty Ting Pei's apartment. Again, we have the idea of Ting Pei being part of a cover up.

* Raymond Chow was very smart to tell the press that Bruce died at home. It's also alleged that he paid some cash to the Hong Kong press, which is a common occurrence to this day, to suppress elements of the story. After one week, the truth came out, thanks to a very small Chinese paper, and it was a big new story:
"Lee found at Ting Pei's apartment". No one ever considered that Bruce might have died elsewhere and been moved there. It might have been a secret to project another secret. No one ever checked it out.

* A lot of people in the industry place Kung Fu actor Chan Wai Man with Bruce Lee on the day of his death. They alleged that he alone knows all the facts surrounding Bruce's death, but refuses to reveal the truth. They say it was he who went to the Japanese restaurant, Gum Tin Jung, in the Miramar Hotel, on Nathan Road, where Raymond Chow and George Lazenby were waiting for Bruce, to tell them that Lee had died. The first question Raymond is said to have asked him was "How many other people are dead?" He imagined Bruce must have died in a fight, and killed some of his attackers!

* If there was a cover up, it would have been very easy to execute. In those days, before the creation of Hong Kong's Independent Commission Against Corruption, you could buy any medical report, any newspaper story you wanted.

* There was one persistent rumour circulating Hong Kong while Bruce was alive. It said that he had been attacked in an airport lounge by Japanese Karate men. The fight was said to have been witnessed by one of his American movie star students, maybe James Coburn. Lee is said to have slipped, because he was wearing leather shoes, and sustained a heavy kick to the back. After that, he never liked to wear leather shoes, just sports shoes. Again, I should stress that this was just a rumour.

* There haven't been any Bruce Lee ghosts stories in Hong Kong. No one has seen him in Kowloon Tong or at Golden Harvest Studios! One newspaper reporter told a story about how Bruce Lee came to him in a dream and revealed the identity of his murderer. The newspaper actually printed the name of the alleged mastermind behind Lee's death, but given that the man concerned is still alive and very influential, I don't think I'd better give his name here! Naturally, I don't attach much weight to this. At that time, if you wanted to sell your newspaper or magazine in Hong Kong, you had to come up with some special angle.

* After Bruce's death, a lot of local people congregated outside his house in Kowloon Tong. There were reporters, of course, and some old men went there for the whole day to say prayers for Bruce Lee's spirit. Some Kung Fu people, including the actor Leung Siu Lung, used to practice martial arts outside the house, to attract attention to themselves. Many people called the hospital asking them not to perform an autopsy on Bruce. They believed he was practicing some special kind of Kung Fu meditation and would wake up within seven days!

* En Route to America, Bruce Lee's coffin began to leak liquids, and had to be replaced. The Chinese press made jokes, saying that Lee had kicked the lid off!

* The press discovered that Lee's house and his Mercedes Benz were not registered in his name, but in the name of his company Concord. This was probably for tax reasons.

* After Bruce died, Golden Harvest delayed the release of Enter The Dragon. Instead they made a documentary called Bruce Lee: The Man And The Legend, and released that. It made HK$ 2.000.000, and was very cheap to make. In fact Enter The Dragon only made HK$ 4.000.000 something. The Way Of The Dragon had been much more successful.

* Documentaries, books and magazines have purported to tell the "true" story of Bruce Lee's death. As far as the people of Hong Kong are concerned, the full facts surrounding Lee's passing have never been revealed, and probably never will be.

[Cain]

Yeeps, I always did find it strange that both Bruce and Brandon died......

Oh well......we'll never know until it's time ;)

|Cain|

[Kwajman]

Jeez, I've heard a story that he faked his death to jilt creditors and the mob...I guess every story is out there.

[imawimp]

Bruce Lee is not dead, he is currently in seclusion at area 51, working with Elvis Presly to create a new Martial Arts style for the United States Air Force to use in their secret alien wars.

[Adam]

Good one Wimp :D

Don't forget that both Tupac and Salman Rushdie were working with them until the intifada against Rushdie was cancelled, at which point he went back to authoring.

[AgentX]

I have heard a rumor that Bruce is in Tibet...alive...
But I don't think it's real.

[Saz]

Its the same thing with Bruce Lee as so many other people. When someone that people love die's, sometimes they can't accept that they just died. There has to be something else, maybe even someone to blame for his death. Also, a lot of people believed Lee was beyond regular rules. His death proved them wrong.

[Syd]

A friend of mine - who is Wu stylist in the U.S and who has just released a book about Dim mak along with his teacher - and I were discussing the living aspects of Bruces life and some interesting things came to light from insider info.

The first of interest is this idea that Bruce was never beaten in combat and was invincible. My mates teacher Flane Walker took Bruce down in the late 60's with a Kempo take down, Bruce asked how he did it and Flane said, Kempo take down, yada.

In the movie about the life of Bruce Lee with Jason Scott Lee we are led to believe that Bruce had his back broken
when he was walking out on a China Town secret match, the winner of which would decide who he could teach in future. The film has us believing that Bruce defeated Wong Jack Man (thats who it's supposed to represent) and when he had his back turned and walked away Wong Jack Man performed a flying side kick to his back when he wasn't looking and his back was broken... hooey!

The truth is that Bruce knew of Wong Jack Man in the China Town region where he was living at that time and knew he had a reputation. Bruce being cocky decided to challenge Wong Jack Man to a contest and they set up the day of the duel. What took place was that Bruce could not defeat Wong Jack Man who was a student of a rare form of Tiger Style Kung Fu and the event resulted in some instances with Bruce being chased around the Kwoon in circles.

In the end Bruce convinced Wong Jack Man to accept a draw and asked that they never speak of it outside that particular Kwoon again. Wong Jack Man agreed like a gentleman and kept to his word. Not more than a few days went by and stories started surfacing in the local China Town news (leaked by Bruce) that Bruce had beaten Wong Jack Man in the showdown. There is an interview with Wong Jack Man that can still be found online if you search which discusses this incident.

Bruce never had his back busted like they make out in the movie but infact he slipped a disc because he was performing an exercise called a goodmorning where you place a barbell across your back with weight on it and you bend forward with the weight across your neck and stand upright and then bend forward again.

It is also shown in the movie that after the fight with Wong Jack Man that Bruce loses it and gets upset with his traditional Wing Chun seeing it as useless and obselete, a blind devotion to forms which lead no-where. Now think about it; if Bruce did such a good job of defeating Wong Jack Man in the contest they had, why would he be so dissapointed in his art and decide to change it so drastically?

In the film they make out that his reason was because it took too long to win the fight and he felt he wasn't in good enough shape. Look beneath the surface and you'll understand that it was because he could not beat Wong Jack Man and infact he found his great art of Wing Chun totally unable to defeat, let alone hold in check the opponent! Apparently someone still has footage of this contest between Bruce and Wong Jack Man... hmmm tasty.

Another story of the reality of Bruce as a real person was that he was training with another master in California who he had to seek a letter of introduction to train with from Yip Man. He trained with this group for about a year and during this time there was a Black American student in the class who Bruce has been ragging on for nearly a year. It is reported that on one occasion Bruce would drive to training with a couple of women in the car with him and brag to the Black guy that he couldn't get any women and that Bruce himself was a "real man". Bruce was a naughty boy and actually had an affair with the Black students wife and one day when he turned up to training he found that the Black student found out. The Black student beat Bruce into a pulp and got him on the floor and repeatedly punched him in the groin whilst holding him in submission. There are county hospital records available which show that Bruce was there and it discusses multiple severe bruising and trauma to the groin area. He would have ofcourse covered this up from Linda and said it occured during some rough training exercise.

It goes to show that a legend is one thing but at the end of the day reality is a whole other ball of wax...

Best, Syd

[Cain]

:rolleyes:

|Cain|

[Tosh]

Originally posted by Syd
Another story of the reality of Bruce

Filed and forgotten about. :o

At the end of the day good and bad has come as a result of Bruce Lee's work.

I'm more interested in using the good than "uncovering" the bad.

[Xia]

Simply and shortly Bruce Lee died of a headache, not from the headache itself, but the medicine he took for it. Little does everyone know, but he was Allergic to it, the tiny pill killed him.

[Syd]

I'm more interested in using the good than "uncovering" the bad.

When it comes to Bruce Lee most would people seem to want to turn a blind eye also. My point is not that we should want to uncover the bad but rather to point out those behind the management and manufacture of the LEGEND itself have been so interested in covering anything bad, up!

This smacks of a regime based upon Cult of Personality marketing exercises which would suggest the guy could do no wrong and was flawless at every level... not so. Sorry to shatter any dreams but this information comes from people who knew Bruce personally and sparred with him, thats the reality not the legend; there is a difference.

Best as always, Syd

[Nimrook]

oversexed is how I want to go out!!!

I even heard one psycho story that he was assasinated by a group of monks using the "quivering palm" technique.

[Greg-VT]

The Bad is usually fabricated, Syd.

And with most of the 'stories' you posted, I would say that is the case.

But what a will agree on, is the movie. Alot of it was untrue. But the again, so could some of the minor details you mentioned about the film.

[Syd]

Ving,

I can't say the information I posted is 100% true as I was not there myself but the info does come from people I highly respect and who actually have no axe to grind with the Bruce Lee Legend or Bruce himself. All of the stories I posted come from people who were a part of the insider scene and as such I choose to believe what I was told by those closer sources.

Respectfully, Syd

[RobP]

FWIW a few years back I worked with a girl who's father was a prominent Dr in Hong Kong. It was his friend who did the autopsy on BL and according to him there were traces of amphetamine in BL's body.

[Kwajman]

Like many of us have said, he was a norman human with extraordinary skill. No walking on water or flying through the air, with foibles and failures, warts and all. People will see him as they wish to remember him, good, bad or in between.

[SSJ1_Katrina]

i don't particularly care to know the 'bad' personally. there is no benefit in it for me, not for motivation or training.

[SSJ1_Katrina]

people mention amphetamines etc-
what about all the stuff they have athletes on today?
it would be an intersting comparison of blood samples.

[Adam]

I really think we're focusing on it from the wrong angle here. We need to find out how the Kennedy assassination and the death of Lady Di and John Lennon fit into the death of Bruce Lee, as they are without doubt part of the same global conspiracy to take over the world. The truth is out there!

[|-KINJO-|]

From what I hear from home, Bruce actually died because of internal injuries he aquired from a duel (or challenge) with Diki Zulkarnein, a popular Silat actor in Indonesia in the 80s. It is said that some Silat fighters in Indonesia possess spiritual powers and in this case, Diki might have inflicted a heavy one on Bruce. Perhaps Bruce's condition deteriorated after this match.
Although there is almost no evidence of such reports, it seems that almost all the adults I asked back home claimed that this is true. They said that perhaps Bruce's counterparts wanted to protect him from humiliation, so no such reports were made.
I would truly expect that some people would find this comment rather ridiculous, but hey, this is what I heard back home!
Sorry if I've triggered any uneasiness...

[YODA]

Originally posted by |-KINJO-|
From what I hear from home, Bruce actually died because of internal injuries he aquired from a duel (or challenge) with Diki Zulkarnein, a popular Silat actor in Indonesia in the 80s.

Then what you've heard is hogwash.


Sorry if I've triggered any uneasiness...

No uneasiness - just silent mirth :p

How did he die? I don't give a flying fruitbat.

How did he live? Now THAT is worth studying.

[YODA]

I've split off the WJM debate into a new thread - enjoy...

http://www.martialartsplanet.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=6495

[Andy Murray]

Ha, you beat me to it by seconds. ;)

[YODA]

Tadaaaaaaaa...... :D

[Syd]

I think adding merry go round is pretty un-objective. Why don't you be moderate like a moderator ought to be and give it a more neutral title... Like the Bruce Lee - Wong Jack Man Fight Thread? :)

[Tireces]

Because someone wins a fight. Merry go rounds just keep spinning and making lots of noise. Anyways, in reference to spiritual Indonesian fighters...do you mean...THESE ones?

http://www.yellowbamboo.com/videos/Website%202%20Alvin_Broadband_Low.mov

Sorry, cant resist taking a shot at these guys, its so tough.

[Cain]

Hehehe, not yellowbamboo again :D

|Cain|

[Matt_Bernius]

Originally posted by SSJ1_Katrina
i don't particularly care to know the 'bad' personally. there is no benefit in it for me, not for motivation or training.

I actually like to know the bad. Not to revel in it, but as a constant reminder that he was a fallible human who through his efforts transcended the mundane. We (and I can only speak for American Culture here) tend to deify certain legendary individuals (thanks in part to the movie business). The problem is this action often makes their deeds seem unobtainable. Lincoln, Washington, Martin Luther King Jr all seem as if they were infallible individuals.

I think it can be discouraging. We can fool ourselves into thinking that we just "don't have what it takes." That Bruce had the perfect physical attributes and came out of the womb kicking and punching with the Tao in hand. I think that it's important to know that one of his legs was shorter than the other and that he was extremely near sighted. Learning that he could be petty and overly cocky helps give him back humanity that is otherwise robbed from him. And, at least for me, it makes what he accomplished a little more obtainable. And I think it also gives what he did even more value.

Matt

[shifu tiger]

i know exactly how lee died. he was poisoned by a taiwanese actress name betty ting pei. he bled to death thru his pours. believe this account or not it's up to u. i can say with the utmost confidence that my statement is true, however i cannot reveal the source of this information but i can say that it is very accurate and true! lee was training people in many different styles he called jeet kune do, a mixture of kung fu, and boxing mixed in tai kwon do and a few others. well the chinese masters in china were not happy about lee teaching these mixed styles of kung fu. they felt he was butchering the traditional arts. not keeping the art pure and traditional. so he was killed for it. the autopsy of course would not reveal anything like poisoning.

[LilBunnyRabbit]

i know exactly how lee died. he was poisoned by a taiwanese actress name betty ting pei. he bled to death thru his pours. believe this account or not it's up to u. i can say with the utmost confidence that my statement is true, however i cannot reveal the source of this information but i can say that it is very accurate and true! lee was training people in many different styles he called jeet kune do, a mixture of kung fu, and boxing mixed in tai kwon do and a few others. well the chinese masters in china were not happy about lee teaching these mixed styles of kung fu. they felt he was butchering the traditional arts. not keeping the art pure and traditional. so he was killed for it. the autopsy of course would not reveal anything like poisoning.

Actually autopsies have an unfortunate habit of finding poisoning, or suspicious causes of death, particularly if someone were to bleed to death through their pores since that would cause their skin to be covered in blood for starters, their pores to be massively dilated, every single cappillary vessel to be ruptured, and them to have died through blood loss.

If you're gonna try a conspiracy theory, at least try and keep it within the realms of reality. And get your facts right.

[jmd161]

:D





jeff :)

[Topher]

I heard somthing about Bruce falling unconscious and nearly died. The next time it happed, he died...

[YODA]

I heard somthing about Bruce falling unconscious and nearly died. The next time it happed, he died...

Yep - that's about the measure of it.

[totality]

hey guys, guess what? bruce lee's dead. who gives a crap how he died. wondering how he died is what makes humans petty. we should be more concerned with how he lived, what made him such a lasting memory.

[keith1892]

bruce lee died from a gunshot that was given by someone in the mafia.

[Andy Murray]

bruce lee died from a gunshot that was given by someone in the mafia.

Nonsense, it was the Gestapo.

Bruce got too close to discovering Hitler's true whereabouts. :rolleyes:

[Mrs Owt]

Nonsense, it was the Gestapo.

Bruce got too close to discovering Hitler's true whereabouts. :rolleyes:


No, he isn't really dead at all. He is living in a tropical paradise with Elvis, Jimmy Hoffa and Andy Warhol! I know, my uncle's best friend's girlfriend's manicurist's gardener said his uncle who is a deep sea fisherman was washed up with them for three weeks before being rescued by aliens and dropped in the middle of the Mall of America wearing nothing but a loin cloth autographed by all of them!

[Andy Murray]

No, he isn't really dead at all. He is living in a tropical paradise with Elvis, Jimmy Hoffa and Andy Warhol! I know, my uncle's best friend's girlfriend's manicurist's gardener said his uncle who is a deep sea fisherman was washed up with them for three weeks before being rescued by aliens and dropped in the middle of the Mall of America wearing nothing but a loin cloth autographed by all of them!

That's a myth.

That was Burple, and it wasn't a Loin Cloth, it was a Tea Cosy.

[Mrs Owt]

That's a myth.

That was Burple, and it wasn't a Loin Cloth, it was a Tea Cosy.


that is why I love MAP, all my MA myths are put to bed one by one. All hail the great intellect that is MAP! :D Although my friend said it was true! She said she couldn't tell me who told her for sure because he is involved with the Hell's Angels and mafia and a secret ninjutsu sect living in the forest around Whiteshell, Manitoba.