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[untouchable_cat]

okay every website i have been to for Hapkido, it always says the same stuff, talking about it being a total self-defense art, and that you have three main principles in the technique. But 1 question a lot of people refuse to answer, but I'm a simple man, so I like things answered simply. What is the primary thing you do in hapkido, (you know kind of like the primary thing you do in TKD is kick, and the primaries in MT are knees, elbows, feet and hands, and the primaries in FMA are weapons) what does hapkido promise? I hate to say it but if it weren't for scorpion off of mortal kombat that used this style, I probably would not be looking into it as hard as I am. Now I am not trying to say anything bad about grappling arts, but personally I think it's just a waste of time when you really wanna dish out punishment on somebody. For real, if you wanna wrestle do it with your 7-year old brother on the playground, if hapkido is all about wrestling then I dont want nothing to do with it.
So basically what Im interested in is its effectiveness (dealing out pain to whoever crosses your path), I heard jujitsu can paralyze people but can hapkido do the same? please answer back!!!!

[dngrruss]

Well, let's see.

First, if you are basing your martial arts research on a video game, I think that you are barking up the wrong tree.

Second, if you are researching martial arts to find the most effective way to "deal out pain to whoever crosses your path", I think that therapy or incarceration are in your future.

Third, you are asking a simple question that has a complex answer. Sorry if that does not meet your needs, but here goes. Hapkido, depending on how it is presented and taught, incorporates both striking and grappling. The striking is often taught in a more traditional sense using open hands and circular strikes, or, like at my school, both the traditional and more contemporary "boxing" strikes and footwork. Kicking can be either fluent and active, like so many Korean kicking arts, or , like my school, more conservative since we are rather good at kick defenses and takedowns.

The grappling usually comes in the "stand-up" variety utilizing locks, cranks, chokes and judo-like throws to submit or break the opponent. Some schools, like mine, have incorporated more ground work and grappling fundementals so as to deal with the rise of wrestling in our modern combat culture.

In short, you will find that there are "traditionalists" that adhere more to an older paradigm of HKD, though some of them seek out other arts to suplement the shortcomings of their system, and also more contemporary schools that incorporate elements from other systems into their HKD.

Striking, kicking, locks, throws, chokes, and both "hard" and "soft" approaches to combat (though soft is the more prevalent).

Good luck.

[estranged13]

our hapkido also includes groudfighting, to help complete the system.


oh and what scorpion does in the game doesn't look like the style of hapkido we do, if u saw us spar you'd think we were mma's training for the ufc, (except we break all their rules) :D

[Hapkid0ist]

okay every website i have been to for Hapkido, it always says the same stuff, talking about it being a total self-defense art, and that you have three main principles in the technique. But 1 question a lot of people refuse to answer, but I'm a simple man, so I like things answered simply. What is the primary thing you do in hapkido, (you know kind of like the primary thing you do in TKD is kick, and the primaries in MT are knees, elbows, feet and hands, and the primaries in FMA are weapons) what does hapkido promise? I hate to say it but if it weren't for scorpion off of mortal kombat that used this style, I probably would not be looking into it as hard as I am. Now I am not trying to say anything bad about grappling arts, but personally I think it's just a waste of time when you really wanna dish out punishment on somebody. For real, if you wanna wrestle do it with your 7-year old brother on the playground, if hapkido is all about wrestling then I dont want nothing to do with it.
So basically what Im interested in is its effectiveness (dealing out pain to whoever crosses your path), I heard jujitsu can paralyze people but can hapkido do the same? please answer back!!!!

This can be a tough one. Since Hap Ki Do is not a very well regulated art under any cohesive roof, your answer will vary from person to person.
Here is my asnwer to you.
Our dojang :
Our primary studies revolve around joint manipulation , striking, and defensive techniques against such. As a secondary we work on kicking, weapons and pressure point manipulation. After 1st dan you learn how to apply techniques on the ground and defend from a takedown. You also learn Yudo and Ju Jitsu based ground work as you progress through the Dan ranks. Higher up inthe dan grades we become more internal and develop our ki abilities to as high a level as we can and healing techniniques, ie accupuncture, accupressure.
We work on breathing and meditation for ki development at the lower levels but it is not as focused on.
People need to understand that Hap Ki Do is not a simple MA. You really do need some inteligence and patience for it. It is a lifestyle for the largest part, and not a hobby. You can pursue it as a hobby, but you will either get enveloped in it and turn it into a lifestyle or not get enough satisfaction from pursuing it as a hobby, this is becouse most peopls development will not be satisfactory to them when they only put in a 2 to 5 hours a week. It is an art that most people will get enveloped in.
Well, keep asking and I'm sure you will get more, my advice is visit as many studios as you can and then choose the one that focuses on what you are looking for.

[untouchable_cat]

LOL! ... I mean I'm not trying to disparage or ridicule anything, but this art becomes more internal and develop your ki abilities to as high a level as you can and healing techniniques, ie accupuncture, accupressure. Come on , man you can't be serious, I mean yeah, this sounds all good to the average naive newbie, but how much of this stuff is urban legend and how much of it can you actually teach. Just like ninjistu, the so-called "art of stealth!!", it sounds so great until I saw a demonstration on it and it didnt prove to be as hyped up as the monikersmake it. Let's face it ninjitsu is attracts a bunch of wannabe guys, like me, who probably saw Batman Begins, like the idea of being stealthy and hiding amongst the shadows, and sword fighting and espionage, flipping, and all that good commercialed-up jazz, but is really just another name for just fighting with swords. All I'm saying is this , people just need to be straightforward with martial arts, listing not only its philosophies, and cool-sounding monikers, but what distinguishes it from other arts, what fighting technique it incorporates,and last but not least give a synopsis of what that art can do and will benefit you in doing. (for instance, "tired of getting picked on and bullied , a self-defense art like hAPkido is the solution",or "wanna show off some flashy moves? go with tkd") you know. But you guys, crack me up with developing ki, and internal medicine, and centering focus in circular motion, i hate 2 say it but it sounds like something off of Dragon ball Z. It seems to me that Hapkido is just a bunch of American wrestling moves with a little tw4eak and a bunch of guys in gi's sayinh "hy-yahh", and they come up with names like jujitsu, and hapkido, or aikido, And what really gets me is that they have these arts listed differently, and you all act like it SO obvious that they are different in moves, but like Hapkid0ist said "you also learn Judo and Jujistu based groundwork as you progress. But I guess I'm too analytic and skeptic for my own good. I'm going to post another thread.

[Hapkid0ist]

I tell you what, go to a HKD studio and voice you opinions and see if they will give you some matt time and show you what they are made of.
Also, do some HKD vid searches. As for Ki development, no one ever said anything about shooting energy balls from your hands or crap like that, but to the knowledgable there is the training of learning how to focus you body's energy for maximum power in self defense tech. and in assistance of self healing. Also, if your not gonna keep an open mind then you may not want to ask questions.
I think that if you spent some matt time with a good Hapkidoist will give you all the answers you need.

Good luck.

[french fri25]

in hapkido, we try to use our opponents own force against him in order to take him out. hapkido has circular blocks that usually are followed be a sweep, throw, choke, etc. we try to get our opponents to submit using the least amount of force necessary. in hkd, a technique is the same no matter what. if you get someone into an armbar, the more pressure and strength you use, the more it will hurt. same with every technique. if you put the tiniest amount of force, it will work, but will not put your opponent into excrutiating pain, even though you will still be able to control him. if you put every bit of strength you have into a move, then you will really hurt your opponent and maybe even cause joints and bones to break. hapkido works on technique perfection. then as long as you do the technique right, your opponents goin down.

[french fri25]

i also agree with hapkid0ist here. martial arts are not instant fighting formulas. especially traditional arts. you have to put hard work and many hours into training. and training doesnt mean going to a gym and punching a heavy bag for 2 hours. training is much more than that. to me, martial arts should be internal more than external. if you want to dump all of the tradition out of the arts, go join boxing, kickboxing or jeet kune do. doing those arts doesnt make you into a martial artist in my mind. those arts are going to teach you how to beat the living crap out of people. i am not trying to bash untraditional arts, because thats what some people need. they need an art that will teach them to fight. in hapkido, you learn history, philosophy, fighting strategies and MENTAL strategies. these will turn you into a martial artist and will help you improve your overall life. these "other", aspects arent just in the movies and just look cool. people are just so stubborn and ignorant and lazy to go take the time out of their "busy" lives, sitting on their couches and watching tv to go meditate. but, for the people who do belive in the mentalism and tradition in arts like hapkido, those people are martial artists.

[dngrruss]

Interesting U-Cat,
You are interested in HKD because you saw it on a video game- and that seemed like a good idea, yet you think that Master McCuller sounds like he's in a cartoon- and that's just wrong. Hmmm... is it me or does that sound a little hypocritical?

Look kid, if you want to troll, fine, troll. We can handle the likes of a 17 year old disrespectful kid that doesn't know his ass from a poptart. Your little tirade does not ruffle any feathers here.

My first suggestion is that you show a little respect of those you are querrying. Many of us here are a lot more experienced than you and we might actually have an answer or two for you. But if you are just going to run your mouth and try to abuse those that tried to help you, then why not just shut up and move on.

I have to agree with Mstr. McCuller. Why not go to a good HKD school and run your mouth there? My door is always open. Feel free to come by and rant. I do not think that you will be happy with the result.

BTW, helpful hint: the poptart is the one that's frosted.

[klaasb]

At one time in my career I actually had two boys who came to my classes because of the video game :)

I would say that the main thing we do in hapkido is joint locks.

[delete me]

Hi Untouchable_cat

I agree with Hapkid0ist. Find a school and get some mat time! You sound like you are not convinced and by the posts you have put on I don't think you will ever be!!

Don't knock it until you tried it and if you find a good instructor you'll enjoy it.

L:)z

Lawrence Dyke
3rd Dan International Hapkido

www.swindonhapkido.co.uk (http://www.swindonhapkido.co.uk)

[Hapkid0ist]

First, I would like to know just how old your are U Cat, if you don't mind. If you are an adult you are not talking in as one. Also, any adult would I would think reasonably know that video game MA are in no way a representation of the actual art.

2, unfortunatly not a master yet. We attain that title at 5th Dan. A few more years though...

[untouchable_cat]

Okay, Well Maybe I Do Need To Approach This With An Open Mind, But You Cant Blame Me For Thinking These Thougths When In Every Demonstration Video I See A Guy Throwing Slow-motion Punches, Or Slow-knive Thrusts And The Hapkido Grabs His Hand, Twists His Arm And Flips Him. It Just Seems To Me In A Real Fight That Fist Is Not Coming For Your Face In A Hesitant Speed, When You Are In The Heat Of Battle Those Fists Come Flying, And Unlike Your Teammate That You May Practice With This Guy Is Trying To Put A Hurt On You. Maybe, I Do Need To Step On The Mat With A Hapkido Person And Have Him Test A Move On Me, But It Seems Impossible To Me That With A Little Twist Of The Arm And A Little Tug On My Sleeves Can Throw Me Or Flip Me Over. But , I Dont Know I'll Check It Out Though, But 1 More Question Though!!! What Is The Difference Between This Art And Ju-jitsu, And Aikido, And Judi, And In What Situation Would U Use Each Art According To Its Skill And Level Of Effectiveness?

[Hapkid0ist]

Okay, Well Maybe I Do Need To Approach This With An Open Mind, But You Cant Blame Me For Thinking These Thougths When In Every Demonstration Video I See A Guy Throwing Slow-motion Punches, Or Slow-knive Thrusts And The Hapkido Grabs His Hand, Twists His Arm And Flips Him. It Just Seems To Me In A Real Fight That Fist Is Not Coming For Your Face In A Hesitant Speed, When You Are In The Heat Of Battle Those Fists Come Flying, And Unlike Your Teammate That You May Practice With This Guy Is Trying To Put A Hurt On You. Maybe, I Do Need To Step On The Mat With A Hapkido Person And Have Him Test A Move On Me, But It Seems Impossible To Me That With A Little Twist Of The Arm And A Little Tug On My Sleeves Can Throw Me Or Flip Me Over. But , I Dont Know I'll Check It Out Though, But 1 More Question Though!!! What Is The Difference Between This Art And Ju-jitsu, And Aikido, And Judi, And In What Situation Would U Use Each Art According To Its Skill And Level Of Effectiveness?

First you must understand that not all Hap Ki Do is created equal. This goes for all styles of martial arts.

Second, remember, these are only demonstrations, not real life situations. In training with techniques that require you to manipulate, torque and possibely hurt anothers joints, one must be very cautious. It can be dangerous. We do not do it to keep our doctors gainfully employed. In a real life situation your brain works differently, processing information much faster than when you are in no danger and your adrenaline is not flowing. As far as catching a fist, that is not exactly what you do. We intercept. This is best demonstrated. Lets say someone throws a hook punch (hay maker) You step into your opponent with your guard up, You do a type of grabbing block, where you put your corresponding arm out there to intercept the punch just after the elbow; on the hand side. Then you can attempt to seize the arm and quickly slide your hand down to their wrist and execute a technique. With A LOT of practice it can easily be done. This is just one of many examples. There are many more for inside techniques (when you are on the inside of your opponent's guard or body, and many for the outside techniques, where you side step to the outside of them. Understand if these techniques did not truly work then law enforcment and military organizations around the world would not train in them, and use them.

As for your second question.
1. Ju Jitsu. This is the art of the Samurai. This is the art we are based off of along with Judo/Yudo. In time kicking and striking of all types were added in. Back in the day the samurai had to focus on an enemies joints becouse of armor. There originally was very litte striking of any kind here. It was a get em to the ground and incapacitate em and finish em empty hand or with a weapon art. It is primarily taught as a ground art today. In many HKD schools this makes up some of the ground work taught.

2. Aikido. The founder of this art trained under one of the last samurai and Ju Jitsu heads. But this art was taken in another direction. Where in HKD we are not always looking to cripple you or kill, in Aikido the goal is to effectively defend one's self and try to cause as little damage to your opponent as possible. They are primarily a large circle art untill you get into some of the recent incarnations of it...ie Tomiki Aikido..

3. Judo or Yudo as it is known in Korean. This is a martial sport with combat applications. A very effective ground art. In HKD many of our basic techniques are designed to defend againdst judo attacks. This is based on a connection to the two arts through our founders first student and the fact of judos popularity when HKD was being developed. Or defense techniiques against judo attacks are very effective against other nonjudo attacks. In many HKD schools this makes up some of the ground work taught, sometimes along with ju jitsu and vise versa.

4. All the formentioned arts you questioned about except Hap Ki Do are Japanese arts. With the exception of our name and Aikido's name being spelt the same in chines there is no simularities (for the most part). Some people insist that we are nothing than Aikido and Tae Kwon Do combined. This could not be further from the truth. The only thing we really share with TKD is a few kicks (still executed differently in most schools) and a Korean origin. Ju Jitsu and Judo are assosiated with us only in the ares I mentioned. Nothing more really.

There is a basic answer to your questions. If you have any more we all are always willing to help, just be careful how you present yourself. Us MA people are sensative and easily offended. ;) :rolleyes: :cool:

[disgruntled]

Okay, Well Maybe I Do Need To Approach This With An Open Mind, But You Cant Blame Me For Thinking These Thougths When In Every Demonstration Video I See A Guy Throwing Slow-motion Punches, Or Slow-knive Thrusts And The Hapkido Grabs His Hand, Twists His Arm And Flips Him. It Just Seems To Me In A Real Fight That Fist Is Not Coming For Your Face In A Hesitant Speed, When You Are In The Heat Of Battle Those Fists Come Flying, And Unlike Your Teammate That You May Practice With This Guy Is Trying To Put A Hurt On You. Maybe, I Do Need To Step On The Mat With A Hapkido Person And Have Him Test A Move On Me, But It Seems Impossible To Me That With A Little Twist Of The Arm And A Little Tug On My Sleeves Can Throw Me Or Flip Me Over. But , I Dont Know I'll Check It Out Though, But 1 More Question Though!!! What Is The Difference Between This Art And Ju-jitsu, And Aikido, And Judi, And In What Situation Would U Use Each Art According To Its Skill And Level Of Effectiveness?

when you watch a hapkido through you also got to keep in mind that you do not do the through until the person is off balance. when someone is unstable it is a heck of a lot easier taking them down

[untouchable_cat]

alright thanks guys, Hapkid0ist you really helped me gain an understanding on the last reply you've posteed, you see if only people made it as simple as you did, by just distinguishing differences more people would get a better idea of what the school is about and actually have enthusiasm when joining it, knowing exactly what they are getting into, but im a broke guy, so i ask a lot of questions before i jump into saomething id ont know, catch my drift? but thanks a lot, and also Hapkid0ist whats wrong with being called a art tha is just jujitsu and tae kwon do , that means that not only are you a great ground and joint-locking art(jujitsu) but you also have great kicking and punching combinations tooo(tae kwon do) , which puts you at an even more advantage in the self-defense martial arts, thats excellent . now you've made me want to join, so they actually teach you how to ppunch and kkcik in hapkido? And also i know lifting weights and being strong doesn't necessarily mean nothing in this art but if you do become buff and strong like scorpion will that make a hell of a lot of difference in your attacks? This martial art is starting to sound good, hey man this is better than any jujitsu, or aikido, we should post up threads claiming how greart our art is, dont you agree?? Our art can beat anybodys anyday. Hapkid0ist I got an idea, our motto should be "ANYBODY CAN GET IT!!" LOL. but sorry for the misunderstanding at first, you all really know what you are talking about!!

[Hapkid0ist]

No problem. I got a few god ones that pop into my head every now and then. But I don't understand what you ment by this one...

"Hapkid0ist whats wrong with being called a art tha is just jujitsu and tae kwon do ,"

If you are refering to this part of my post.

"Some people insist that we are nothing than Aikido and Tae Kwon Do combined. This could not be further from the truth. The only thing we really share with TKD is a few kicks (still executed differently in most schools) and a Korean origin. Ju Jitsu and Judo are assosiated with us only in the ares I mentioned. Nothing more really. "

The problem I have with this is that there are major differences in how we move think and fight. To say this also does not a truth. To say this means that someone does not even know what Hap Ki Do is.

[wazzabi]

Tae Kwon Do uses different body mechanics to generate power in their kicks than we do. for example in our front kick, most if not all of the power comes from the hips, while in Tae Kwon Do, the front kick power comes from extending the quads. different ways of kicking, and me having trained with both methods, prefer the HapKiDo way. i find it more loose, faster and more powerful.