No-dachi

[Yojimbo]

Does anyone know where you can purchase a No-dachi? or have any pics, or any info on where to get training to use one?

[Cudgel]

the only school I know of that teaches the use of the nodachi has a website
http://www.hyoho.com/index.html
and as to geting a nodachi I think it wopuld be custom job and hence very very expensive.

[47Ronin]

trust me, you don't want a NoDaChi. (unless you are on a battle field :D )

[Yojimbo]

thanks for the info ur shure about that now....

[Yojimbo]

i just think it would be awesom to chop something in half with it lol

[Saz]

You can chop stuff in half with a kitchen knife.

Martial arts weapons should only be used in a controlled training evironment.

[47Ronin]

Ok, you do not need a No Da Chi to chop things, get an axe or regular Katana (only with proper training)

They had No Da Chi around for spear men and horses, have you ever trained in sword? If not get training first, it is stupid to try to use something that you don't know how to use.

[Yojimbo]

yes i have gotten training in kung fu broadsword and kendo.

[47Ronin]

kung fu broad sword is much different than Japanese Sword.
Kendo is for striking, not chopping. If you want to do "chopping" take up Iai-Do and learn proper Tameshigiri.

In my opinion you shouldn't try to cut things until properly trained.
I HIGHLY STRESS THAT.

[Yojimbo]

do you know of any Iai-Do schools in NJ?

[47Ronin]

In NJ, I live in Florida but there has to be at least one Iai-Do school near you.
If there are none, check out Aiki-Do schools near you they usually teach Iai-do.

Good luck.

[Yojimbo]

thanks

[Yojimbo]

would this be considered a no-dachi

http://www.weaponmasters.com/index.html?ID=bbcdba60a1d1d86a6d04ea1bae373a0a&ITEM=KE-2036&SUB_ITEM=MORE_PICTURES&SORT=&FDX=&FMAX=

[47Ronin]

No, that is a regular Katana.

No Da Chi are 40 inches or longer. Katana are 30 inches to 27 inches.

[Yojimbo]

it says "The Giant Samurai Sword measures 54 inches overall with an astounding 40 inch blade"

[47Ronin]

http://www.weaponmasters.com/index.html?ID=bbcdba60a1d1d86a6d04ea1bae373a0a&ITEM=KE-2042&SUB_ITEM=MORE_PICTURES&SORT=&FDX=&FMAX=

That is a rather large No-Da-Chi but one none the least.
But the kid holding it, hahahaha LMAO. HHAHAHA look at him.

But the sword is good looking, But no pic's of the Tang.

[47Ronin]

I must have seen a different one then because that one looked like a normal Katana but a cheapy.

[Yojimbo]

yea he his pretty funny lookin lol

i found an iaido school in my area im gonna go check it out this weekend thanks for all the help. if i join that school will they provide a sword or will i have to buy one?

[47Ronin]

They may provide aluminum alloy blades, if they do not then you will have to buy one. Then you work up to a live steel blade.
Do not expect any thing to fast.

Good luck with your training, I hope you stick with it.

[Yojimbo]

thank you for all of your help

[47Ronin]

No problem man, make sure you ask the head master of the school about supplies.

[Erasmus]

Museum Replicas Ltd. sells a very nice No Dachi from Windlass steelcrafts. High carbon steel, Leather wrapped wood handle, full tang. Approx. 58" overall. Great sword but no scabbard avaliable.
http://store.museumreplicas.com/cgi-bin/www11650.storefront

[danny the ninja]

{Edit: This isn't a Classified Ads website}

[Epoch]

its pretty hard to find a decent looking no dachi most of the ones that i have seen are basically a katana blade with a bigger handle. most likely the only way you will find one is if you found a original one but that would run anywhere from 1 million $ and up if you were lucky enough to get a owner to sell you one which would most likely never happen. the best thing you can do is take a practice katane preferably made out of wood get to know how to handle and move with it then step uo to a katana when you are ready whichc most schools will know and then a no dachi if u are lucky enough to find one.

[47Ronin]

"if you found a original one but that would run anywhere from 1 million $ and up if you were lucky enough to get a owner to sell you one which would most likely never happen."

One million dollars, HA. No offence, but you obviously don't know your stuff. Unless it was a national treasure like a Masamune ( which wouldnt be for sale in the first place) it wouldn't cost anything more than 50,000$. I have seen over 500 year old blades that only cost 5,000- 7,000. The highest price I have seen for a blade was 35,000. If you want to check into more stuff like that and want a real piece of history I recommend this site - www.Nihonto.com . It is bookmarked in my favorites as my dream blades :D .

But I would not recommend that site for anyone who does not practice any sword styles and who have never owned a hand forged blade due to the fact that they are of the highest maintenance and need to be treated like a baby with the upmost respect.

AGAIN PLEASE DON'T SPEND YOUR MONEY ON THAT SITE UNLESS YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING, IT IS TRUELY SAD TO LOSE A PIECE OF HISTORY TO A NINCOMPOOP.

-Max

[JediMasterChris]

Ummmm...... right buddy... I'm not sure where you got that info from...


No dachi are NOT katana with extended handle, and about costing one million dolars... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!

That's going a little overboard man, I've used them before, if they were 1 mil$ I wouldn't dare touch them.

[Epoch]

first off i want to start by saying actually i do know my stuff hence i have been studying asain history (ie japanese, chinese, etc.) as well as asain martial arts among many other forms of martial arts for close to 16 years and i think i know a thing or 2 about a nodachi. 47 ronin you might have found a cheap, basic antique katana that cost either you or someone you know 5- $7,000 and if they actually paid that much for a antique blade they might have gotten a good deal if it was made by the right smith, used by a certain japanese family, or was used in a war or a number of wars. Remeber a actual battle ready katana and not one of those cheap ones you see in magazines or on the internet will be anywhere from $10,000 and up sometimes even past $30,000. Also you might get a kick out of this but as japanese history goes a nodachi was cut down to be used as a masamune and guess what being that there has only been a dozen no dachis found so far, a actual real nodachi will always be worth alot more then a masamune, as a masamune basically came from a nodachi (odachi) being it was cut down to a smaller size, which is exactly what was going on in japan. As for jedi boy it is highly unlikely that you have touched let alone gone within 20 ft of a actual no dachi reason being that every nodachi that has been found is either in a museum or a shrine in japan and while they are in a museum or a shrine they are under heavy security most of them locked up in rooms or cases. So for you to say - "That's going a little overboard man, I've used them before, if they were 1 mil$ I wouldn't dare touch them." That is quite impossible for the fact that the only way a highly sought out japanese treasure such as a nodachi could be even touched would be if a museum wanted to take pictures and info of it or if they were going to do a restoration on a sword. Other then that chances are you havnt even gone near a real nodachi if you have lets see some pics of you and this so called no dachi not just you talking about it. Also if you were to go to a museum or shrine in japan and ask to buy a no dachi the museum or shrine who owned the blade would laugh at you and most likely have you removed from the premises.

[Epoch]

i dont mean to be rude jedi but the only way you could have even gotten close to a no dachi is if you were using a cheap remake but even then chances are you were using a cheap remake of a masamune and not a no dachi as no smith would waiste the time of making a nodachi just for someone to train with it. this is probably a close picture of the nodachi that you say you held - http://www.weaponmasters.com/index.html?ID=bbcdba60a1d1d86a6d04ea1bae373a0a&ITEM=KE-2042&SORT=&FDX=&FMAX=

[JediMasterChris]

Did I say the one I held was an original one? Where did I say that? Please point out where I said that because I don't see it.


The one I used was not 1 mil$, but when translated into american money it was about 4k $, and how the hell would you know if I came within 20 feet of one, you know I have been to a museum in Japan before you know what happens when you assume.......(you make an "ass" of "u" and "me")




Look through the threads, there is even a style of Kenjutsu that uses the No-Dachi, don't talk to me like I'm full of ****, I don't appreciate it, just because I'm a kid doesn't mean I'm stupid, and frankly, I don't care how long you've been studying Japanese history. I'm sure there are old No Dachi that are 1 mil + but saying that all of them are or else they are a crappy remake is just plain ignorance.



ahem... http://www.hyoho.com/index.html

[Epoch]

first of i never stated that the sword you held was an original one i simply stated that had it been one of the 11 found that were made by a certain smith it would have cost well over a million and it would be im[ossible to get close to as they have been locked up and heavily guarded in either museums or shrines. im sure you have used a nodacho that costs roughly around 4k$ heck ive used a naginata that was around $7800 after translated to us currency. the point of my post was that had you used a certain nodachi like the one i was talking about in a different thread it could cost up to a million dollars. i never once stated that u didnt use a nodachi, heck more power to ya if you want to learn how to get better with a nodachi i'll send you links to a school or schools which teach advanced use for it. so next time before you decide to type a post for no reason read my posts until you understand the point i am trying to get across.

[JediMasterChris]

I read your post...multiple times.


You said



i dont mean to be rude jedi but the only way you could have even gotten close to a no dachi is if you were using a cheap remake

The one I used was not cheap, just because it wasn't a traditional one doesn't make it "fake". So are you saying I use cheap remakes? Sorry, I don't call 4 thousand dollars cheap. (mabey by sword standards it is.. but it seems like you are using cheap remake as a substitude for "peice of crap sword")

no smith would waiste the time of making a nodachi just for someone to train with it.

So you are saying they are ALL mass produced???


you want to learn how to get better with a nodachi i'll send you links to a school or schools which teach advanced use for it

When did I say I wanted to learn it, and when did I ask for your help?! I HAVE been to a KSSR school that incorperated No Dachi into their training curriculuum.

And I don't need a link for a school that teaches it either, I just posted one!



its pretty hard to find a decent looking no dachi most of the ones that i have seen are basically a katana blade with a bigger handle. most likely the only way you will find one is if you found a original one but that would run anywhere from 1 million $ and up if you were lucky enough to get a owner to sell you one which would most likely never happen


Sorry, but there are QUALITY remakes of no dachi that are not "just katana with bigger tsuka"



Sorry mister "Epoch" but I think YOU are the one who needs to read MY posts more thoroughly...

[47Ronin]

Epoch, with all due respect all your years of study show that it hasn't payed off.

Have you looked at the link I or Chris have showed you?

Click on the underlined words- www.nihonto.com - www.hyoho.com

Not all swords by Masamune were from Nodachi's, maybe one or two. He created swords, not just cutting down a Nodachi.

The "cheap" katanas you speak of are not cheap at all. I consider the Bizen province smiths to be of great stature due to their lands rich of steel.

I do not think you have studied swords and to be totally honest I think you are a FOOL.

Hmmm, maybe I should change my signature to- "If you don't know s**t don't say s**t" (Yes I am referring to you Epoch)

You try to make Chris and myselfs training and knowledge like crap but any educated person in the sword click will see it the other way around.

If you have seen some 1Mil$ swords before- Cool, want a cookie?
Not all Nodachi remakes or oldies are gonna be over a million dollars and actually now I would like to see where you get your information from. POST A LINK PLEASE. If you can't I think I know why......... Because you are thinking some stuff you read in a ninja anime magazine is true!!

I think you are either a complete troll or a complete misinformed person/FOOL. Don't post again until you can provide some proof to your sayings.

-Max

[Cudgel]

Guys it is best to ignore Epoch and continue on the discussion as if he didnt exist

[47Ronin]

Yeah I think for a change I'm going to agree with you cudgel. :D

[YODA]

Not in a patient mood tonight guys - keep it more civil or it goes down the plughole.

[47Ronin]

Ok ok, sorry Yoda.

[Erasmus]

Has anyone checked my link to the No-Dachi at the Museum Replica's Ltd. site? I just want to know how close it looks to a real nodachi. The grip doesn't look at all traditional, but I still think it looks better than that Masamune Nodachi that the goofy looking kid in the Martix like outfit.

[47Ronin]

That goofy kids blade was alot better than that blade, sorry.

The sword shown on the site you listed is about 30 inches and is used for staged combat, not a good collectors piece and not traditionally made. Even though there aren't many pics I can still tell it stinks! (at least for some one collecting authentic blades).
Regards
-Max

[Soete-tsuki]

Actually, the correct Romaji spelling is "Odachi"

Anyways, I can see how it'd be fun, though it doesn't seem all to practical. A Katana can easily counter Odachi attacks, and has a much faster reaction speed. An Odachi is quite a useful battlefield weapon, though I'd never consider one in a duel, too slow, extra range and power are meaningless =/

[Erasmus]

47 ronin, are you sure you looked at the right sword? The Blade on that odachi is 40 inches, and the handle is 18." It is under the 'New' section of their online cataloge. it may not be as long as the masamune odachi, but I garuntee it is approx 58 inches total length.

[Erasmus]

Here is the actual url. of the sword i mentioned


http://store.museumreplicas.com/cgi-bin/www11650.storefront/3fc374150226bc4c27484200c1480625/Product/View/1142

[47Ronin]

Even if the sword is that much longer than I thought it is an unsafe thing to use. There isn't even a habaki on the thing.

In other words just don't waste your money on such a worthless thing. Try a Paul Chen Practical Katana for 200$.

BUT be warned- IF YOU HAVE NO PRIOR TRAINING WITH A JAPANESE SWORD AND DO NOT KNOW HOW TO HANDLE AND CARE FOR A BLADE THEN DONT EVEN THINK OF BUYING ONE. I HIGHLY STRESS THAT.


(if you do buy one with out any knowledge on it I'll hate you and you wont be my friend, ever! :D)

Regards,

Max

[Erasmus]

Max, i gotta admit you have me at a loss. I'll think twice about it. you know anything about broadswords? I've got my eyes set on a battle ready hand and a half replica from the hundred years war. It was my second choice, now my first.

[Erasmus]

ps. don't knock european martial skills, the japanese aren't the whose who of swordsmanship, agree?

[47Ronin]

When did I knock the European Martial Arts????

[Erasmus]

Sorry 47, wrong forum, don't really have an excuse for how that happened. but about the broadsword...

[Cudgel]

If you are looking for a nice hand and half type sword this due makes some very very very very sweet ones nad they arent too expensive
www.allsaintsblades.com

[Erasmus]

Which of these do you think has more going for it (once again, sorry for asking this on a katana forum.)

http://store.museumreplicas.com/cgi-bin/www11650.storefront/3fc55eeb00bb166227484200c148062d/Product/View/1&2D579

http://store.museumreplicas.com/cgi-bin/www11650.storefront/3fc55eeb00bb166227484200c148062d/Product/View/1580

[47Ronin]

Go with Cudgel on this subject. Not my area of study.
Good luck :)

[Cudgel]

well this is a WEAPONS forum not katana forum. so its all cool to talk about euro swords unless you mean this thread I guess we could make another one.

well I've heard nothing but things aobut museum replicas
THe first sword is kinda big for me u nless it has sweet balance, but hten agains Im also kinda lightly built.
THe second one doesnt appeal to me but its light and looks a little wickedly pointed, and its cheap for a sword.

[LowBlowJoe]

Would this be considered a no-dachi?

[Cudgel]

will it looks like it has the fittings of a tachi and they are rather nice fitting so......I dunno

[Hyaku]

Originally posted by LowBlowJoe
Would this be considered a no-dachi?

Not its not. The tsuka should not have that kind of shape. Invariably the tsuka has to be counterbalanced to allow one to draw and cut with one hand.

The correct shape is as shown on my site with the blade I use.

http://www.hyoho.com/Nkage1.html

Nodachi simply translates as long field sword

[Erasmus]

"THe first sword is kinda big for me u nless it has sweet balance, but then agains Im also kinda lightly built."

Thats cool Cudgel, I'm 6'5" and 280 lbs. I like big swords, thats why katanas aren't my thing. The second sword is called a hand and half, but the ricasso is only 7 inches, what gives I wonder? Ill probably end up going with the larger one. thanks for the advice

[Erasmus]

by the way Cudgel, Museum Replicas main supplier is Windlass Steelcrafts. Indian Army Gov't contractor. They make only battle ready swords. also, they have some Paul Chen Katanas.
I by from them because I happen to live only 20 minutes from their only showroom in the World. Huge castle shaped building, supper sweet! :) Everything from Axes to Zulu spears! plus pocket knives.

[47Ronin]

Good site Hyaku.

[Cudgel]

yeah see Im 5'10 and 165 pounds. I can hit hard if i want to bu ti find it easier to use lighter weapon to hit hard with.
YEah windlass steels sounds familar.

Ive noticed that there seems to be greater variation in the sizes and types of Euro swords than Japanese ones, that could just be ignorance on my part, maybe becasue there is greater varition in size nad build among westerners than among Asian.

[darkblade683]

hey man, just entered and couldent help but see your question... you can buy a No-dachi at : http://www.kultofathena.com/rs_nodachi.html
and if you want a buster sword like Clouds in Final Fantisy 7 you can go to here:
http://www.weaponmasters.com/index.html?ID=798735e098e1cb6f391e827e44dcb198&ITEM=BC-006&AD=f91d065da3cbae14f9b01209f14e17e8

but hurry, the last bach comes in dec. 19 (for buster sword)

:p

[47Ronin]

Cloud buster sword isn't for any real use and that No dachi is a cheap remake that I wouldn't advise using.

[darkblade683]

Oh yea if you want cheap swords, knifes or throwing stars and such that are pretty well made then go to: www.eknifeworks.com/
ther are swords that are like $30-$100 bucks!

[47Ronin]

AND YET AGAIN... those swords are cheap pieces of crap. No offence but if you are trying to advertise you must contact the moderators of this site first.

[47Ronin]

Forgot-

The only "o.k." blades on there are the Cas Iberia and Paul chen blades. Do not buy unless you know how to use and care for them.

[Darkflames21]

Where can i find the real or close the real no-dachi?

[47Ronin]

Do you train in any Japanese sword arts? Doesn't show anything in your profile so I am not to eager to share anything with you, a Japanese blade should be kept by some one knowing how to care for it and use it PROPERLY.
If not do not buy a Japanese blade PERIOD.

[jhunter]

no, a nodachi is a militarily unviable unused japanese sword, it was used by horsemen to cut down infantry, but it was so large and unwieldly that it was discontinued not to long after inception, I believe. You will only find nodachi in probably collectors hands, as they are rare and also old. Your best bet to train in sword art is to look up kendo clubs in your area, or Iaido, or something along those lines. A good site for more info is rich steins sword glossary.

[Epoch]

Im positive a smith would make a no dachi for a certain price might be a little expensive though is the longer they are the more smiths they take to forge the blade at once as well as the amount of metal used. If by chance you do find a smith who will make a no dachi for you post some pics and info on here im sure other people would be interested as well.

I can provide links for anyone interested in having a sword or nodachi made but keep in mind they might be expensive.

http://johndswordpolishing.com/shows/

If you scroll down the page to where it says "A day with Louis Mills 07/27/01" it is very interesting as he has actually created his own No-dachi.

On this page of the same site -

http://johndswordpolishing.com/smiths/

scroll down to where it says - Louis Mills

and it might give you some more info about him. If in fact you wanted to go about having a no dachi made he would be one of the people for you to getin contact with.

Here would be a good place to start if you are indeed wanting a nodachi or sword made. JohnD@JohnDSwordPolishing.com

[Erasmus]

47Ronin, about the Hanweif and iberia swords. I really like Chen's Musashi katana( although its a little long). Its expensive though, and i only practice Iaido, so I found out that Chen makes Iaito versions of some of his swords. Do you have any experience with these. does anyone know a site that sells them at a reasonable price. If not im probably going to go with the Practical Katana. It just seems stupid for me to by a sword with a live blade when I can get an iaito for about the same price. Plus the Iaido looks better, is lighter and has better fittings. any help would be great.