*SPOILERS* UFC64-unstoppable 10/14 [Archive]

Sever

06-Oct-2006, 09:10 AM

Moved to Fight Discussions
Silva could very well win this fight, especially since Franklin's had such a long layoff and the amount of injuries he's rehabbed. Silva's the better striker, though Franklin's probably got the "one-shot" advantage. I wouldn't be surprised to see Franklin take it to the ground in the first or second after he's been tagged a few times. Probably Franklin by GnP TKO or decision, but I won't be shocked if Silva picks him apart on the feet and hits him early

stump

06-Oct-2006, 10:32 AM

It's gonna be interesting - Franklin has not faced a real challenge since Evan Tanner.

He's outstruck some top strikers like Loiseau, Stout and Rivera (then again Silva has beaten Stout and Rivera too). With Ace's long layoff this is going to be a tough one to call. Not sure about Silva's grappling but I'm guessing Franklin is stronger in this area.

I'm going to go with Franklin on this but I wouldn't put money on either fighter as it really could go either way.

Sever

06-Oct-2006, 10:38 AM

I'm going to be putting a tenner on Silva - with the way the TUF noobs think Franklin's invincible (aided by the fact that Silva's got less than a minute of UFC ring-time), the odds on him are going to be huge! He wins, I get PAID!
Silva's grappling's not bad really - I think he's training with BTT now, so that'll certainly help him. He's only been submitted by very good grapplers, but his striking's so good that he doesn't tend to take fights to the ground. The way he moves on the feet makes it quite hard to get a takedown off. I'd say Franklin's going to have the positioning advantage on the ground; he's with Miletech and he's the bigger, stronger guy

stump

06-Oct-2006, 11:20 AM

You could be on to something there! :)

It's amazing how many people think UFC = MMA and everything else is small regional shows. Guess we can blame the ultimate fighter for that.

leon_x

06-Oct-2006, 11:34 AM

Sever

06-Oct-2006, 12:42 PM

I believe you can via Sportsbook and Betoddessa etc but I usually get a mate who lives in Vegas to put some down for me if I want to put some bets on and give her a cut, sorting the money out via Paypal

fire cobra

06-Oct-2006, 12:59 PM

betfair.com take bets on the ufc and most other sports :)

Apotheosis

06-Oct-2006, 03:26 PM

Silva has a good shot

Sherk is going to eat him alive

Lauzon vs Fisher is going to be great, Lauzon has proved he has what it takes to win and Fisher is obviously very exciting...Edit: Apparently this is a different Lauzon, his younger brother Dan...

Makes me wonder what the UFC has against the Lauzon family that they put them both up int heir UFC debut against Pulver and Fisher...I mean this kid is only 18!!! which is my age and he gets put in the octagon against Fisher? Both these guys have my respect to get the cage against people who are heavily favoured to dominate them.

Kongo should be interesting to watch, he has a lot of talent.

Kalib Starnes is going to make his "debut" and he is very talented, look forward to his fight

Keith Jardine is going to dominate Nickels, Jardine is no Hamill and actually knows how to punch.

duderanch182

06-Oct-2006, 03:59 PM

I beleive Franklin will win as he trains hard for fights and will not underestimate this guy. Though I do see the login in betting Silva to win and do think there is a decent chance he can beat Franklin.

My money is on Florian to win.

I'm looking forward cheick kongo as he seems like he could be a good up and comer in the ufc.

Jardine will win I reckon but it won't be an easy fight I think.

Apotheosis

06-Oct-2006, 04:26 PM

You really think Florian can beat Sherk? That is a huge shock to me, Sherk ha sproven he can hang with the best of the best at 170 and dropping down to 155 he will be a monster. I give Florian a !% chance of winning via a lucky elbow strike opening a cut or Sherk slipping and falling onto his head knocking himself out.

Sherk is 30-2-1, only losses coming against GSP(TKO) and Matt Hughes(5 round decision), Florian is 4-2 with a loss against Drew Fickett and against Diego... If Sherk loses, Florian better buy some lottery tickets so he can really cash in on his luck.

Agutrot-

06-Oct-2006, 09:51 PM

Sherk is gonna dominate Florian. Sherk is the fourth ranked welterweight in the world, and that's the toughest division the UFC has. He has enough Jiu-Jitsu knowledge to get out of any submissions, and even if he didn't he'd have the strength to power out of them anyway. His wrestling is gonna put him on top the whole match and he'll pound out a unanimous. I'm a bit biased though because I train with him.

Apotheosis

06-Oct-2006, 11:32 PM

Cool, know a guy who used to train with him when he was about fight Hughes..

I wouldn't say he is the #4 at WW in the world, he is just to short at that weight but at LW he should dominate.

I don't think it will make it to a decision, it will be a similar fight to Diego vs Kenny.

Agutrot-

07-Oct-2006, 12:03 AM

He's literally ranked number 4 in the world. Google it.

Apotheosis

07-Oct-2006, 01:19 AM

There is no official ranking system in MMA...it is all opinion.

MMAweekly has him at number 6

Others have him out of the top 10..

I could make a list and make him number 56 and no one could argue since it is all opinion.

duderanch182

07-Oct-2006, 02:23 AM

Apotheosis

07-Oct-2006, 03:43 AM

Wow, if your willing to bet on that then you either have more money to spare than me(likely) or are much more willing to take risk than me(also likely) or both.

Sever

07-Oct-2006, 08:37 AM

I know sherk is better but something to me just says Florian will win. I may also place a bet.The odds will probably be quite sweet, but I wouldn't put too much down :)

duderanch182

07-Oct-2006, 01:57 PM

I've decided against the betting part as I was very tired when I said that and I had just won some money palying poker with friends.

I don't why but I think Kenny will win because he is tough, decent elbows and reckon he will get lucky in some way.

Atharel

07-Oct-2006, 02:21 PM

Franklin all the way. He doesn't train under Militech anymore btw - he trains at a couple of gyms. And he's my jiu-jitsu uncle under grandpa Gurgel, therefore he'll obviously win.

Sever

07-Oct-2006, 02:23 PM

I don't why but I think Kenny will win because he is tough, decent elbows and reckon he will get lucky in some way.If he wins by cut due to elbow - especially if he's losing the fight - I will throw things at the TV. Lucky cut is the only way Florian wins the fight

Apotheosis

07-Oct-2006, 04:53 PM

Franklin all the way. He doesn't train under Militech anymore btw - he trains at a couple of gyms. And he's my jiu-jitsu uncle under grandpa Gurgel, therefore he'll obviously win.

Why?

It has obviously worked for him(training at Militech) so why change it?

As to Kenny winning via cut by elbows, I will flip out. I HATE when that happens.

Sever

07-Oct-2006, 05:01 PM

He's not trained solely at Militech for a couple of years as far as I know, he just tends to shoot up there for a bit of pre-fight training etc, but he's still associated with them and sometimes corners MFS guys. I wouldn't be surprised if he's been up there lately working on his wrestling

Apotheosis

07-Oct-2006, 05:33 PM

Thanks, that clears it up a bit.

Rapid

07-Oct-2006, 07:03 PM

I must be a flipping idiot but i didnt know there was a UFC lightweight champion, this is really weird as i follow UFC avidly and have watched them all since UFC 49 (and alot of previous ones when they were re-aired), ive either in some miraculous error not watched the title fight and have managed to miss all info about it on forums and websites or ive watched it and have completely forgotten about it, could someone please explain how the title was won and who was fought to get it, have there been any title defences and any other info you know, thanks

Sever

07-Oct-2006, 07:49 PM

I must be a flipping idiot but i didnt know there was a UFC lightweight championThere isn't and hasn't been since Jens Pulver left the UFC years ago. In fact, the lightweight division coming back is only a recent thing in the UFC. Somehow - and don't ask me how - the UFC decided that Sherk and Florian were the best two lightweights they have and decided that they'd have the first UFC lightweight title fight in over four years
Again, don't ask me how they arrived at this conclusion

Apotheosis

07-Oct-2006, 10:45 PM

My guess...

Sherk was going to drop down anyways and they decided he would make a good champ. They also looked at Florian and decided he is fairly well known due to his TUF appearence so he would be a good way of letting the public know about Sherk when he dominates" the great Ken-Flo".

Rumour has it that Jens was scheduled to be one of the coaches on season 5 of TUF along with Sherk, which means the UFC expected Sherk to win and were planning on building Jens up as a competitor. Jens got knocked out by a relative unknown which threw a wrench into their plans, but Sherk should still dominate and make an impressive champ.

Sever

07-Oct-2006, 11:03 PM

Yeah, it's a possible theory, but it's still a stupid fight, not to mention a huge gamble. Stevenson or Homnick (Stevenson makes a better case) deserve the shot instead of Kenny; both beat Edwards who was top of the food chain before they killed the division off and Stevenson actually won a TUF series - he'd also put on a great fight with Sherk meaning the champion had won the belt in a war. Plus, Sherk's never competed at 155 before, he could fight like absolute crap at that weight for his first couple of matches before his body adjusts. They're taking a massive risk with this fight, whoever wins it

Apotheosis

07-Oct-2006, 11:39 PM

Your right about Stevenson and Hominick but I have a feeling they want to have Sherk dominate so he becomes the undisputed champ and then put him against Jens(now Stevenson or Hominick) so people would see the later matches as the dominating Sherk vs TUF winner Stevenson.

I think the unknown of Sherk at 155 is why he is going to be fighting Kenny as opposed to a more competitive fighter.

BigRed389

08-Oct-2006, 12:13 AM

Here's a question based on the revival of the LW division in the UFC:

Does this mean TUF will be featuring lightweights next season?

wazzabi

08-Oct-2006, 02:25 AM

Here's a question based on the revival of the LW division in the UFC:

Does this mean TUF will be featuring lightweights next season?

that would be interesting to see.

Apotheosis

08-Oct-2006, 03:27 AM

Fairly certain that TUF 5 will revolve around that division.

Pulver was supposedly signed to be one of the coaches for season 5, but then he lost to a virtual unknown Joe Lauzon so who knows if that changed anything...

Also rumoured that the cast will be 8 vets and 8 rookies.

Sever

08-Oct-2006, 10:44 AM

Pulver's next fight will probably be the decider in that, as will Lauzon's. In an MMA match all kinds of crazy things can happen and Pulver losing could well have been something of a fluke - anyone can get caught. At least they're not doing what they did with Terrell and putting Lauzon straight into a title match

Rapid

08-Oct-2006, 07:10 PM

I just hope BJ Penn drops back down to 155 and dominates everybody in that division, he deserves to be one of the greatest champions ever and easily could be at 155, BJ is phenominal and has always been 1 of my favourite fighters, he needs to get himself the title and hold onto it for a long long time

Apotheosis

08-Oct-2006, 09:12 PM

I don't think he would dominate at 155, nor do I think he "deserves to be one of the greatest champs ever".

You get what you deserve in MMA, and currently he doesn't "deserve' to be a champ.

Agutrot-

08-Oct-2006, 10:05 PM

Penn Sherk would be a good fight. Sherk never fought Penn but they both lost to Hughes and St.Pierre.

Wolf

08-Oct-2006, 11:26 PM

I just have to say that Hominick DOES NOT deserve a shot after his fight against gurgel. No one should be rewarded for running away from the fight.

Sever

08-Oct-2006, 11:31 PM

True. He should've lost that fight - most other organisations in the world would've docked him points for that, Cage Rage would've DQ'd him for it. But based purely on record, he's more deserving than either Florian or Sherk, obviously Stevenson more so

Apotheosis

09-Oct-2006, 03:49 AM

Anyone else shocked they are putting an 18 yr old with only 4 fights and something like 6 months pro-experience against Fisher?

Seems like they really hate the Lauzon brothers because they are just trying to get this kid hurt, of course judging by his older brother I won't be surprised if he proves he is not a can, just hope he does not get hurt.

littlebiggie

09-Oct-2006, 06:15 AM

@Aporheosis: i agree.

Dan Lauzon has only fought 4 times and his height is the only advantage i can think of.

Rapid

09-Oct-2006, 07:11 PM

I don't think he would dominate at 155, nor do I think he "deserves to be one of the greatest champs ever".

You get what you deserve in MMA, and currently he doesn't "deserve' to be a champ.

He would dominate, he's so much better than he's ever been before, and he does deserve it because he's so brilliantly well rounded with the best takedown defence ive ever seen (or at least level with chuck) and he fights hard an in an entertaining way, sherk and penn would be a great fight, but sherk wouldnt be able to take him down and even if he did he's not gunna pass his guard and will probably be submitted

littlebiggie

10-Oct-2006, 07:40 AM

Florian is good,no doubt about it.But in this fight i think Sean Sherk will be my man. :love:

Agutrot-

11-Oct-2006, 10:37 PM

sherk and penn would be a great fight, but sherk wouldnt be able to take him down and even if he did he's not gunna pass his guard and will probably be submitted

Sherks wrestling is better then Penn's, but Penn's JJ and striking is better. It'd be interesting to see. You don't try to pass full guard in MMA so what's the difference if he can hold Sherk in closed?

littlebiggie

12-Oct-2006, 06:40 AM

Apotheosis

12-Oct-2006, 04:23 PM

I disagree, I will be surprised if Kenny makes it to a decision.

Rapid

12-Oct-2006, 07:35 PM

Sherks wrestling is better then Penn's, but Penn's JJ and striking is better. It'd be interesting to see. You don't try to pass full guard in MMA so what's the difference if he can hold Sherk in closed?

Of course you try to pass full guard in mma, havent you heard of half guard, side control or the mount, almost all fighters try and pass the guard, didnt you see rashard evans fight the other day, he destroyed his opponent in the mount, just cos tito tends not to pass the guard doesnt mean no one does

Agutrot-

12-Oct-2006, 11:26 PM

You don't work active passes. If the pass is there they'll take it, but when is the last time you saw someone stand up, push down a leg to open guard and pass through to cross body?

Apotheosis

12-Oct-2006, 11:38 PM

You don't work active passes. If the pass is there they'll take it, but when is the last time you saw someone stand up, push down a leg to open guard and pass through to cross body?

Last event...

It is not very obvious since they have to be careful not to get hit with a strike plus all the top fighters have a good knowledge of it so they are working to prevent the other fighte from passing their guard.

People good on the ground are always actively trying to pass guard.

Agutrot-

13-Oct-2006, 12:00 AM

No, they're trying not get swept. A majority of fighters at the UFC level are content staying in guard pounding out a decision.

Apotheosis

13-Oct-2006, 02:50 PM

The lower level fighters...

The only good fighters I have seen that don't attempt to pass guard are Tito and Fedor and that is because they have a unique ability to dominate from full guard.

Rapid

13-Oct-2006, 05:05 PM

You don't work active passes. If the pass is there they'll take it, but when is the last time you saw someone stand up, push down a leg to open guard and pass through to cross body?

This happens frequently, fighters will push away the left leg and lunge down with a haymaker right, most of the time the grounded fighter manages to maintain guard though, if your watching the ultimate fighter 4 im sure you will have seen matt serra mount pete spratt, before hand big john was telling him to work, matt serra said "im working, im working" and judging by the fact he was throwing very few punches and the fact that he soon after got the mount i have to presume he was working to pass his guard, thus illistrating my point, bare in mind alot of UFC guys are very skilled BJJ fighters, so they are always looking to advance there position while giving a beating

Apotheosis

14-Oct-2006, 07:01 PM

Middleweight Championship bout: Rich Franklin vs. Anderson Silva
Lightweight Championship bout: Sean Sherk vs. Kenny Florian
Welterweight bout: Jon Fitch vs. Kuniyoshi Hironaka
Heavyweight bout: Cheick Kongo vs. Carmelo Marrero
Lightweight bout: Spencer Fisher vs. Dan Lauzon
Light Heavyweight bout: Keith Jardine vs. Mike Nickels
Middleweight bout: Yushin Okami vs. Kalib Starnes
Lightweight bout: Clay Guida vs. Justin James
Lightweight bout: Kurt Pellegrino vs. Junior Assuncao

My picks:

Silva KO Franklin Round 2
Sherk eats Florian alive and wins via KO or TKO, if Florian wins via cut....
Jon Fitch wins via decision or TKO
Cheick wins via KO
Dan Lauzon wins, I am rooting for him due to his age and because Spencer acted like a ***** at the weigh-ins.
Jardine wins via KO round 1
Kalib wins via TKO or submission
Justin James wins via decision
Junior wins via KO

stump

14-Oct-2006, 09:23 PM

Here's mine....some really hard to call fights in this batch...

Kurt Pellegrino Vs. Junior Assuncao: Pelligrino Decision
Justin James Vs. Clay Guida: Guida TKO
Yushin Okami Vs. Kalib Starnes: Okami Decision
Keith Jardine Vs. Mike Nickels: Jardine - TKO
Spencer Fisher Vs. Dan Lauzon: Fisher - KO
Cheick Kongo Vs. Carmelo Marrero: Kongo - KO
Jon Fitch Vs. Kuniyoshi Hironaka: Another close one….Fitch Submission
Sean Sherk Vs. Kenny Florian: Sherk Decision

Rich Franklin Vs. Anderson Silva: very tough one to call with Silva being a brilliant striker and Franklin having such a long lay off….will go with Franklin but it really could go either way

Sever

14-Oct-2006, 10:43 PM

The Nickels/ Jardine fight's off due to Nickels getting a late back injury (after weighing in; read into that what you will)
Source: UFC website (http://www.ufc.com/)
More at MMAWeekly (http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=2782&zoneid=13)
10/14/2006
Nickels-Jardine Off
Due to a late back injury, Mike Nickels has been forced to withdraw from his light heavyweight preliminary bout tonight at UFC 64 against Keith Jardine. There will be no replacement bout and UFC 64 will go on with eight fights.
Now everybody pretend they care :)

Apotheosis

15-Oct-2006, 12:05 AM

I admit I am a little upset, would have loved to see Jardine KO Nickels which he would have done in 1 round judging from Nickels great striking skills shown against Hamill.

Sever

15-Oct-2006, 09:41 AM

Results:

Kurt Pellegrino defeated “Junior” Assuncao by rear naked choke in round 1
Clay Guida defeated Justin James by rear naked choke in round 2
Yushin Okami defeated Kalib Starnes by ref stoppage in round 3
Spencer Fisher defeated Dan Lauzon by TKO in round 1 (no gorgeous flying knee this time, sadly)
Carmelo Marrero defeated Cheick Kongo by split decision
Jon Fitch defeated Kuniyoshi Hironaka by unanimous decision
Sean Sherk defeated Kenny Florian by unanimous decision to become the UFC Lightweight Champion - not a bad fight but it really should've been stood up more
Anderson Silva defeated Rich Franklin by TKO in round one, becoming the new UFC Middleweight Champion - Silva controlled the fight beautifully, never letting Franklin put any combos together and keeping the distance how he wanted it. Once he got the clinch, it was all over. The odds on Silva weren't as long as I was hoping, but I still made a bit of money from him :D

Apotheosis

15-Oct-2006, 06:02 PM

Only fight I have seen was Silva vs Franklin and wow was that beautifully done. Silva is an awesome striker, showed a great clinch(seriously how did he keep the much bigger Franklin inside the clinch?).
Franklin's nose will never be the same again, very well done by Silva.

So will Hughes step up and fight Silva?

Good to see Sherk won, almost cried when I heard via play-by-play that he had been cut. I cannot stand another fight being "won" by Florian because of a cut. Would have preferred it if Sherk had been able to finish Kenny but I guess I cannot get everything.

Was the Lauzon vs Fisher fight really the fight of the night as Sherdog claimed? If so, a huge congratulations to the 18 year old Lauzon for stepping into the Octagon with Fisher and giving him a good fight.

Sever

15-Oct-2006, 09:36 PM

Basically, the Thai clinch isn't really as much about strength as it is technique and Silva's got 22 years of MT behind him; very few people are going to break his clinch, though I think Franklin maybe made a mistake trying to dirty box with him in it rather than spending more time trying to break it. Like I said before the fight, it was a tough matchup for him at the best of times, let alone after a seven month layoff rehabbing a broken hand, broken foot and yanked tendons but Silva looked awesome
The Lauzon/ Fisher fight was pretty good, probably fight of the night apart from Silva/ Franklin, but that's not really saying much. There were some really bad fights including the disappointing Florian/ Sherk and the abomination that was Kongo/ Marrero

Apotheosis

16-Oct-2006, 01:37 AM

Thanks for the details Sever, the most shocking thing about the fight was his decision making. He didn't try to impose his style on Silva, he was willing to fight and follow Silva's lead.

duderanch182

16-Oct-2006, 01:50 PM

I was so sad to see Rich lose as I'm a big fan of his but I think he can comeback to win his title but will need a different strategy. I'm a Thaiboxer and it was good to see a clinch being worked so well and showing Thaiboxing can be deadly in mma.

Florian vs Sherk was a good fight and Kenny is very tough and could be a Champion in the future imo if he works at it

Sever

16-Oct-2006, 06:11 PM

It's aired everywhere and I've retitled the thread, we can kill the tags :)

Apotheosis

16-Oct-2006, 06:44 PM

I don't know how long Sherk will be champ, but i am willing to bet Kenny will never be champ unless he drastically improves.

I see Franca, Yves Edwards,Josh Thomson and Joe Stevenson are all ahead of him in that division in the UFC...Honestly unless he improves drastically I don't se ehim getting a title shot again, much less winning.

BTW, what was with his intro? I heard he came out like a samurai or something.

Hannibal

16-Oct-2006, 06:52 PM

Yeah his intro was pretty weird, but I think you are being a little harsh on his ability.

Everyone was saying "Sherk by decapitation" before the fight (me included I might add), but I thought he showed a lot of potential and guts. I see him being a player in the division. Although Sherk never looked in danger, he did not annihilate Kenny. Good fight anyway (despite what the drunken teenagers in the bar I was at thought).

I just wish I had put money on Silva, because I had been predicting that result for a week!

Rapid

16-Oct-2006, 07:39 PM

I thought there were some great fights this UFC, Lauzon vs fisher was good although Lauzon seemed to give up after taking a few shots, fitch vs Hironaka was a bad beating, fitch impressed me alot, kongo vs marrero was a crap fight, little work done by either fighters and kongo showed an average ground and a reasonable wrestling game, he did have some nasty leg kicks though, Sherk vs Florian was a good fight, anyone who doubts kenflo after that is a fool, he landed a hell of alot of body kicks and a few headkicks, he was just to scared of sherks big left hook to strike at any closer a range, he has some beautifull elbows aswell, sherks just to strong and dominant for kenny to stop being taken down or get up but i feel his ground defence was superb, give kenflo 3 or more years and he'll be a contender, cant wait for a Penn vs Sherk fight, im gunna love to see Sherks reaction when he cant take BJ down, anyhow begrudgingly i move on to the final fight, Rich was clearly not on form and they were both very tense at the start knowing the other could put them down, then Rich got thrown like a ragdoll into the fence in the muay thai clinch and was beaten, hard, he took a hell of alot of hard hard knees to the body and then once he got rocked, it was over, i truly believe that was not rich at his best after the layoff and as he said himself he'll be back in a few fights, very dissapointed to see him lose as he's truly one of my idols, anyway cant wait for the match ups this leaves for the future, Franklin vs Swick, Franklin vs Leben, Franklin vs Louisea, im sure he'll be fighting (and beating) one of those, does this mean silva is gunna be fighting the ultimate fighter winner? i guess so, cant wait for the next few UFC events there gunna be great, get back on that path to the title Rich

Apotheosis

16-Oct-2006, 07:43 PM

Yeah his intro was pretty weird, but I think you are being a little harsh on his ability.

I don't mean to be, but I honestly do not think he is in the top 5 in his division in the UFC.

I think both Sherk and Stevenson specifically beat him 9/10 times.

BigRed389

16-Oct-2006, 08:41 PM

Lauzon appeared to have a BRIGHT future in MMA...for an 18 yr old fighting a veteran UFC fighter and MFS's elite, he was absolutely incredible. With some more experience he should be awesome. Not to mention he was up for the fight on TWO weeks notice...Dana White's gotta absolutely LOVE this guy.

Florian was definitely "in" that fight...he definitely managed to survive, and was also never hurt too badly...he stayed pretty aggressive, tough as hell. He mainly had trouble dealing with Sherk's GnP throughout.

Not gonna go into the Franklin Silva fight...that one was so damn short it's pretty obvious what was going on.

fire cobra

16-Oct-2006, 09:07 PM

about time someone(silva)showed how good muay thai clinching is,i cant understand why most fighters go for upper body clinches and fight the big part of the opponents back with their arms when the neck is so accesible (if you understand the muay thai liam movement in the clinch) tire the neck out and eventually the head will fall usually right onto a knee strike :)

Linguo

17-Oct-2006, 02:59 PM

I was actually very impressed with Florian's performance, considering that I thought Sherk would TKO Florian within the 1st Round. Florian went the distance with Sherk, and that is no easy task. He was always in the fight, and stayed composed throughout it, despite swallowing a crapload of blood (would that be considered karma?). I actually enjoyed the fight, even if it was one-sided.

Other thoughts:

I'm surprised the James/Guida fight didn't get fight of the night, because it was such a fast paced scrap.

Those Lauzon boys are a tough pair. Dan Lauzon with better cardio is a real threat. And he's only 18!

Silva/Franklin. What can I say? Didn't expect it to go down like that. Franklin had that deer in the headlights look on his face as he was struggling in Silva's clinch. I don't think anyone in the UFC's 185 division can take Silva. Maybe Franklin w/ a better gameplan. Unless the UFC re-signs Lindland or Henderson or maybe Bustamante(the latter two being very unlikely), I think Silva will wear that belt for a long time to come.

Overall, I was pretty satisfied with this event. I dont feel too much shame for spending the 40 bucks. I feel even less shame since it was on someone else's dime.

Apotheosis

17-Oct-2006, 03:21 PM

Those Lauzon boys are a tough pair. Dan Lauzon with better cardio is a real threat. And he's only 18!

From what I hear he only had a 2 week notice which is a pretty good excuse for a lack of cardio.

Rapid

17-Oct-2006, 04:26 PM

Linguo

17-Oct-2006, 04:59 PM

Lauzon did ok, he took down someone who admits themself to be a terrible wrestler but couldnt keep him down and got knocked out when they stood, his stand up was weak and as far as i know from what i saw his wrestling is ok, we'll just have to wait and see how he develops

I think Lauzon did a pretty good job of holding Fitch down for most of the round. In fact, I was giving that round to Lauzon up until he gassed and got TKO'd. I mean, for a young kid to be competitive with one of MFS' elite fighters is a pretty impressive accomplishment.

Rapid

18-Oct-2006, 07:09 PM

Apotheosis

18-Oct-2006, 08:12 PM

He did good enough that people are calling it the fight of the night(Sherdog, mmaweekly etc..)...

Linguo

18-Oct-2006, 11:57 PM

There is little achievement in holding a terrible wrestler down for part of a round if he gets up and knocks you out with ease, he did what any average wrestler could have done which was take him down and hold him down for a while, he did ok but he does not deserve the ass licking he is getting

Dude, part of a round? How about most of the round? And it wasn't like Dan was pulling lay and pray, he had an active ground game, working to pass, with some decent GnP. Spencer Fisher may not be great at stopping takedowns, but he is no joke on the ground. Take a look at his record. 7 of his 19 wins came via submission. As Apotheosis pointed out, there's a reason why this fight has been voted fight of the night.