Internal Training in fmas

[krys]

Just curious, who on this forum knows fma internal practices?
Deep breathing can be found in Silat, Kuntao, Ngo Cho Kun (ancestor of Okinawan Karate, famous in the Philippines)....
Old Arnis styles also use oracions, visualisation, hilot....

I usually do dynamic tension exercises associated with breathing, this takes a lot of time because the body has to be prepared before starting.... I also practice visualisation through arnis katas...

[mdz81]

Hi Krys!
Why Ngo Cho Kun are so famous in Philippines?
Thanks.

[shootodog]

pardon my ignorance. ngo cho kun? this is the first time i've heard of it. is this the vietnamese kickboxing that i hear from the bakbakan guys?

[krys]

Hi Krys!
Why Ngo Cho Kun are so famous in Philippines?
Thanks.

I am not a Ngo Cho Kun practitioner (one of my training partners is)...
From what I understand one of the grandmasters of the art came to the Philippines
and introduced it there (actually he added some techniques, that's the filipino version).... it is very efficient and the tsinoy community picked it up....

pardon my ignorance. ngo cho kun? this is the first time i've heard of it. is this the vietnamese kickboxing that i hear from the bakbakan guys?

Ngo Cho Kun is a southern chinese martial art, many of it's masters went to south east Asia, it can be found in Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia, the Philippines....

Some peoples at Bakbakan practice it because of Alex Co....
The right places to learn it are: Beng Kiam athletic association, Kong Han athletic association...
Some introduction may be usefull.......

[SoKKlab]

Ngo Cho Kun is Five Ancestors Kung Fu, originally from Fukien (Hokkien) South East China.

Otherwise known as Wu Shu Kwan, Wu Zu Quan (In Mandarin etc).

Alex Co has done a video and book series for Unique on the Ngo Cho Kun system, which is very good.

Most of their Breathing and Dynamic tension exercises are varying degrees of Sanchin, ranging from softer more Chi Gung/ Nei Gung style stuff, to extreme Dynamic Tension style practices.

[shootodog]

after giving it much thought, i see kuntao as the only internal based art in the fma universe. i could be wrong.

[pesilat]

I don't personally practice any internal stuff from the FMA that I do. I've done some internal stuff in the Silat and Kuntao Silat that I train but not specifically in the FMA.

Unless you count the breathing exercises that GM Cacoy takes us through prior to seminars - but with his background in Aikido and Judo, I'm not sure if these exercises are Japanese or Filipino in origin.

But I am aware of some internal aspects practiced in the FMA. Orascion, I would think, would be considered an internal aspect. And, not knowing a lot about it, I may be mistaken, but I think Hilot has internal aspects to it.

Mike

[krys]

after giving it much thought, i see kuntao as the only internal based art in the fma universe. i could be wrong.


:) I don't agree.... Silat and other less known martial arts from the south are internaly based.
Besides there are two froms of Kuntao: one is like Silat, the other like hard Kung Fu.
The Cinco Terros Arnis style (I guess there are other systems too) has also internal exercises... Then you have Orascion, Hilot, and so on...

[shootodog]

oh yes. silat. i agree! :)

the oracion (related to the use of the anting anting) and the prayers of the juramentado are also foci of mind and body for combat. the rhythm of the movement of the fma is also related to the rhythm of the breathing of the practitioner. it too is a foci of energy.

kuntao is actually a form of kung fu that was adopted and adapted by the filipinos centuries ago. some consider it as part of the filipino heritage (thus making it fma).

[krys]

Actually what I heard is that there are two forms of Kuntao... What they call soft and hard Kuntao.... The following is from discussions I had with fellow southern filipino martial artists and could be subjective...

Hard Kuntao styles come from external chinese martial arts and were introduced in the Southern Philippines a long time ago by chinese traders... filipino muslims integrated them in their martial culture....

Soft Kuntao is actually silat.... peoples forgot the root of their Silat and called it Kuntao... it is sometimes called Kuntao Silat and also has some chinese influences....

[krys]

.Hi Krys!
Why Ngo Cho Kun are so famous in Philippines?
Thanks.

Ngo Cho Kun WAS popular in Manila because there were two dominant masters there and Ngo Cho Kun peoples won many challenges against other styles.... There is also a large Fukienese community there and Ngo Cho Kun comes from the Fukien province.

Actually the trend now in cmas is Wushu and modern Tai Chi, but some peoples are still b
keeping the flame alive.... As in Arnis and Silat the older styles are disapearing....