Sanchez v Parisyan

[Atharel]

Does anyone else want Parisyan to totally destroy Sanchez as much as I do? I frankly can't take any more of this "Golden Boy" (who refers to himself as such!!) who hasn't taken on anyone of high quality but still thinks he's everything and then some. He even says he's the one that's going to take out Hughes... I'm looking forward to this fight, and seeing Sanchez get taken down a few pegs.

[Sever]

I'd love Karo to take it, and he's got better tools in most ranges. Unfortunately, his takedown defence has been a bit of a question mark. If it stays on the feet, or if he gets the clinch, it's going to be all Parysian, if Sanchez takes him down, look for him to work a GnP decision, but he won't finish be able him. If Parysian's takedown defence has improved, he's taking this since Sanchez's standup is horrible.
In my mind, Sanchez lost his fight with Alessio but either way, that fight exposed a major weakness with him - if he can't get the takedown, he's screwed. Alessio could've let his hands go more but was worried about being on the ground with Sanchez, Parysian won't have that fear. The thing about Sanchez is that his opponents (some of whom have been good fighters) have been picked with styles in mind since love him or hate him, people will pay to see him fight. Parysian SHOULD take this, but if he doesn't, Sanchez will be put WAY out of his depth against someone like Penn, St Pierre or Hughes and we will witness a particularly brutal beating :D

[Apotheosis]

I think Diego will surprise us, and I hope he does, so he can get a fight against a top competitor and be completely dismantled.

Also, I didn't want to start a new thread for this so ---

I see Riggs dominating Von Flue, Koscheck beating Goulet, Lister dominating, and Leben losing.

[Atharel]

Heretic!

Having him beaten by Karo is just as good precisely because Karo isn't one of the huge names.

Also, Karo's a judoka.

[Apotheosis]

As long as Diego loses badly, and I mean badly then I don't really care who does it.

[pmitch89]

I wanna see Karo absolutely demolish Diego. Judo hasn't had the reputation of being the best grappling art in MMA. Karo gives Judo some respect in MMA.

I wanna see Karo pull a Hiraigoshi or an Uchi Mata. That would be great! :D

[Agutrot-]

I just want to see shonie carter win TUF 4. I love his short shorts. :D

"Jesus, Shonie don't you have any other shorts?"

-Randy Couture

[Apotheosis]

Hate to rub it in..but I called the win by Diego.

Karo showed some good judo, but Diego just dominated on the ground and did some better standing up.

All i can do is cross my fingers and hope he gets fed to Hughes or GSP.

[CCG2]

sigh yup diego mangaged to get the win, unanimous decision. it was an AWESOME fight. only thing that makes me angry is the official score was 29-28, 29-28, and then 30-26?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! that judge is on crack!

[Apotheosis]

I dunno, it was a clear win for Diego. Aside from a few good jabs and some great Judo throws and the two slams Karo just got dominated.

Only other person to do that is GSP, so apparently Diego has what it takes to be a top contender.

[pmitch89]

I'm sad that Karo lost. :cry:

But Karo pulled 3 beautiful throws in the second round (one of them was an awesome Hiraigoshi).

Diego said before the fight that Karo's "Judo Crap" wasn't gonna work against him. So much for that. :D

But, Karo wasn't as conditioned as Diego, I think thats what lost him the match, the 3rd round. After that dangerous position he was in, he wasted all of his energy trying to escape. If only he had submitted Diego in the 2nd round! :bang:

[Trent Tiemeyer]

http://www.fightreport.net/wp-content/uploads/2006/08/diego-sanchez_karo-parisyan.gif

Great fight.

[tekkengod]

yeah, diego took that one, but he'll make a nice meal for hughes or gsp.

[Snake+CQC]

It was a great fight. They were both relentless at the beginning. I was rooting for Sanchez though!

[Sever]

Only other person to do that is GSP, so apparently Diego has what it takes to be a top contender.Like I said before, styles make fights, and Karo's matched up well for Sanchez. Karo doesn't have strong wrestling or takedown defence and that's Sanchez's game. Sanchez is yet to face someone with strong wrestling (something the top three in the division have), when he fights someone better at his game, he will lose badly. He did good against Parysian and he's earned a lot of respect, but the judge that gave him 30-26 was a MORON and further illustrates why the NSAC needs to pull their heads out of their arses with regards to making the UFC use boxing judges. Anyone with anything resembling any knowledge of MMA could see that there was no 10-8 round there. In fact, an argument could be made that Karo took round one and definitely took round two, thus winning. I don't think he did, but the fight was much closer than that idiotic judge made out.
I'd like to see these two go at it again sometime; it was a great fight and it answered some questions about Sanchez, particularly what his heart's like when he's in a war.

[Tomas_Drgon]

Judo throws in MMA are only good if you can maintain the control on the ground. It is a very rare occurence when a clean throw knocks somebody out.

I am primarily a judo player, but I also train in a BJJ gym. The most beautiful uchimata is no different from a dirty ankle pick if you land in your opponents closed guard after it. That's how you have to look at the scoring. It's the final effect that counts.

Tomas

[Kwajman]

It was a pretty intense fight I thought.

[Snake+CQC]

No doubt there will be a rematch that will be advertised the hell out of. But I'm glad, because it should be another great match.

[Apotheosis]

Like I said before, styles make fights, and Karo's matched up well for Sanchez. Karo doesn't have strong wrestling or takedown defence and that's Sanchez's game. Sanchez is yet to face someone with strong wrestling (something the top three in the division have), when he fights someone better at his game, he will lose badly. He did good against Parysian and he's earned a lot of respect, but the judge that gave him 30-26 was a MORON and further illustrates why the NSAC needs to pull their heads out of their arses with regards to making the UFC use boxing judges. Anyone with anything resembling any knowledge of MMA could see that there was no 10-8 round there. In fact, an argument could be made that Karo took round one and definitely took round two, thus winning. I don't think he did, but the fight was much closer than that idiotic judge made out.
I'd like to see these two go at it again sometime; it was a great fight and it answered some questions about Sanchez, particularly what his heart's like when he's in a war.


Diego really impessed me with his wrestling and ground game, he slipped out of Karo's guard effortlessly on a consistent basis. His takedowns were also incredibly fast, and his standup isn't bad either.

Who are the top 3 you speak of? Hughes, GSP, Penn?

I don't really like Diego, but he really impressed me and while I still do not think he can take out the three named above I do think he can compete and give them a very tough fight.

Karo seemed to gas in the third round, while Diego seemed to be fine.

I do agree though that 30-26 is ludicrous.

[Apotheosis]

No doubt there will be a rematch that will be advertised the hell out of. But I'm glad, because it should be another great match.

I hope not, Diego beat Karo and Diego should get to move up in the ranks.

I would love to see Karo get a rematch, but at this point I think it would be a bit unfair.

Every time there is a tough fight do we give them a rematch and make the winner prove himself twice befor ehe gets to move on to a higher ranked opponent?

[Sever]

Diego really impessed me with his wrestling and ground game, he slipped out of Karo's guard effortlessly on a consistent basis. His takedowns were also incredibly fast, and his standup isn't bad either.

Who are the top 3 you speak of? Hughes, GSP, Penn?

I don't really like Diego, but he really impressed me and while I still do not think he can take out the three named above I do think he can compete and give them a very tough fight.

Karo seemed to gas in the third round, while Diego seemed to be fine.

I do agree though that 30-26 is ludicrous.Of course it's Hughes, GSP and Penn. He'd maybe give an undertrained Penn a couple of bumps before Penn subbed him, but GSP and Hughes would absolutely ruin him. Unless he's greased up again, of course (which is something that should really be addressed by the UFC soon)
I wouldn't be at all suprised to see a rematch a year or so down the line after Karo gets a couple of wins and Diego loses to someone. This fight was close enough to be a controversial decision and there are quite a lot of people saying that they gave the nod to Karo and/ or the judges always go for the guy they've heard of. Of course, this happens with every close fight, but this is one that has serious money potential as a swing bout in a year or so

[Apotheosis]

Of course it's Hughes, GSP and Penn. He'd maybe give an undertrained Penn a couple of bumps before Penn subbed him, but GSP and Hughes would absolutely ruin him. Unless he's greased up again, of course (which is something that should really be addressed by the UFC soon)


I dunno, I have a feeling he will give whoever he fights next a very tough battle, GSP would destroy him on their feet but Diego might be able to take him down(he has incredible takedowns) the same goes with Hughes/Penn.

Don't get me wrong, if I had to bet my money would be on Penn/Hughes/GSP but it would be a war.

They really should do something about the grease problem, Diego was getting greased up in the back during his "warmup".

[Sever]

I dunno, I have a feeling he will give whoever he fights next a very tough battle, GSP would destroy him on their feet but Diego might be able to take him down(he has incredible takedowns) the same goes with Hughes/Penn.St Pierre's a better wrestler, with a better sprawl than Diego's shot. If that fight went to the ground, it'd be because St Pierre put it there, same with Hughes. Plus both guys are very big and strong at 170lbs, so he wouldn't overpower them the way he does others (that means he won't be keeping the top position) and they've got cardio for days. As for Penn, his sprawl's solid, but his main advantage in that fight is that, again, he's strong enough to stop Diego smothering him and GnP'ing a decision out of it, and his guard is an absolute killzone. Diego takes him down, there's every chance he'll be tapping
Sanchez is a good fighter and in the future, he'll be ready to step up to their level, but he's not there yet. He needs to fight some people who don't match up so well with him
His greasing is ridiculous. Nick Diaz actually can be heard between rounds complaining that he's greased up, and it's not the only time people have said that. If you look at his "cut man" (his trainer Greg Jackson) between rounds in the Karo fight, you can see him dumping absolute globs of vaseline on his face. It's something that has to be addressed, in my opinion as is the issue of their judging

[Atharel]

I gave the fight to Karo, winning rounds 1 and 2 (though gassing abysmally in 3). I'm getting the strong impression that the judges have no idea how to score throws. It's no different than a Hughes BIG SLAM, and considering the harai goshi(s) lead straight onto the top of Diego's skull, I'm betting they hurt. You could really tell on the one in the 2nd round.

That said, can't wait to see Hughes absolutely destroy him. This bare-bones victory over Karo means he's nowhere near GSP/Hughes/Penn.

[Sever]

I gave the fight to Karo, winning rounds 1 and 2 (though gassing abysmally in 3).I've watched it a couple of times now and a case really can be made that Karo DID actually win the first and second rounds. I go back and fourth with the first one, but there's no question in my mind he took the second. It was a very close fight, and Sanchez really raised his stock in my eyes, but like you say, he's still not ready for a title shot I'm getting the strong impression that the judges have no idea how to score throws. It's no different than a Hughes BIG SLAM, and considering the harai goshi(s) lead straight onto the top of Diego's skull, I'm betting they hurt. You could really tell on the one in the 2nd round.Dude, I think it's a safe assumption that the UFC judges have no idea how to score most things. They get striking (which is probably why they gave Sanchez round 1 after he landed that big shot) but as for grappling or takedowns, they're largely clueless hence my comments that they give the fight to the guy they've heard of. While it's probably not that clear-cut, these are boxing judges, afterall, not MMA judges.

[Wolf]

Dude, I think it's a safe assumption that the UFC judges have no idea how to score most things. They get striking (which is probably why they gave Sanchez round 1 after he landed that big shot) but as for grappling or takedowns, they're largely clueless hence my comments that they give the fight to the guy they've heard of. While it's probably not that clear-cut, these are boxing judges, afterall, not MMA judges.

I wonder if there's a fan complaint section, where we can all write in about the terrible judging. Every time I here Cecil Peoples announced as a Judge I just cringe and hope the fight doesn't go the distance.

[Sever]

Unfortunately, judges are appointed by the state's athletic commission (usually the NSAC since most UFC events occur in Vegas), the UFC officially has no say in it. That said, they could kick up a stink about it and point out the myriad of bad calls by clueless judges and try to convince the AC to allow MMA-specific judges to be used. It's one of those things that I'm amazed they haven't done, to be honest

[djvash]

I think Diego's victory was a solid decision, winning 2-1, if not 3-0 on rounds. It was an exciting, close fight through the first 2 rounds and Diego dominated the third and won the fight decisively. Anyone saying Karo won that fight is just wrong, I'm sorry.

[Wolf]

even if Diego won all three rounds (which he didn't. round 2 was Karo's clearly) 30-26 by judge 3 is just ludicrous!

[Sever]

even if Diego won all three rounds (which he didn't. round 2 was Karo's clearly) 30-26 by judge 3 is just ludicrous!Exactly. There's no way Sanchez took round 2 and round 3 was by no stretch of the imagination a 10-8 round

[Bhattman]

I dunno about Penn subbing Diego. Diego's grappling is better than St.Pierre's, and if Penn didn't sub St.Pierre... Penn didn't really do anything on the ground offensively against St.Pierre, so I don't think he can sub Diego.

That said, if BJ turns up in shape, who knows what he can do.

[Sever]

I dunno about Penn subbing Diego. Diego's grappling is better than St.Pierre'sI would disagree with that. St Pierre's grappling is seriously good as he has shown against BJ Penn, Karo Parysian, Frank Trigg, Matt Hughes (seen many people take Hughes down?) and Jason "Mayhem" Miller.
, and if Penn didn't sub St.Pierre... Penn didn't really do anything on the ground offensively against St.Pierre, so I don't think he can sub Diego.A) MMAth is the devil's work. A not subbing B does not mean that A cannot sub C, even if C has subbed B before. B) Never say BJ Penn can't submit someone, he has a nasty habit of proving people wrong

[Apotheosis]

I had to read it twice to make sure I understood it, but now that I do, I agree with ya 100%.