Hitler Was a Christian ?

[Sankaku-jime]

According to many sources Adolf Hitler was in fact a christian.

http://www.evilbible.com/hitler_was_christian.htm

Hitler Was a Christian

The Holocaust was caused by Christian fundamentalism:

History is currently being distorted by the millions of Christians who lie to have us believe that the Holocaust was not a Christian deed. Through subterfuge and concealment, many of today’s Church leaders and faithful Christians have camouflaged the Christianity of Adolf Hitler and have attempted to mark him an atheist, a pagan cult worshipper, or a false Christian in order to place his misdeeds on those with out Jesus. However, from the earliest formation of the Nazi party and throughout the period of conquest and growth, Hitler expressed his Christian support to the German citizenry and soldiers. Those who would make Hitler an atheist should turn their eyes to history books before they address their pews and chat rooms.



http://www.nobeliefs.com/Hitler1.htm

Hitler's Christianity

To deny the influence of Christianity on Hitler and its role in World War II, means that you must ignore history and forever bar yourself from understanding the source of German anti-Semitism and how the WWII atrocities occurred.

By using historical evidence of Hitler's and his henchmen's own words, this section aims to show how mixing religion with politics can cause conflicts, not only against religion but against government and its people. This site, in no way, condones Nazism, Neo-Nazism, fascist governments, or anti-Semitism, but instead, warns against them.

[CanuckMA]

To blame the Holocaust on Hitler being a Xtian is trying to ignore that he mostly was a major league idiot (insert euphimism here). While much of his anti-semitism has it's roots in Xtian teaching, Xtianity is not responsible for his actions.

[xen]

what did you expect him to be, jewish?

*shakes head in wonderment at what the next revelation might be*

[slipthejab]

Hitler would have latched onto anything that would have given him the leverage that he needed at the time to rise to power. Being Christian in namesake was just one such form of leverage.

What he did was decidely un-Chrisitan.

The first article you cite is seriously flawed in it understanding of Christianity, in fact it uses some piss reasoning to arrive at the conclusions it does. Any nutbar can say their Christian or Buddhist or Muslim for that matter and still continue on a course that is decidedly against the central teachings of any of those religions.

Did the German peoples conception of Christianity brought into play in the build up to and the duration of the attrocities during WWII towards the Jews. Definitely. No doubt that was a socio-cultural factor.

But to somehow label all current Christians as somehow guilty because of that is absurd in the extreme.

[slipthejab]

To blame the Holocaust on Hitler being a Xtian is trying to ignore that he mostly was a major league idiot (insert euphimism here). While much of his anti-semitism has it's roots in Xtian teaching, Xtianity is not responsible for his actions.

What is the deal with the X?

Is that part of the whole thing of Jews not being allowed to mention God's name? :confused:

[Keikai]

Is that part of the whole thing of Jews not being allowed to mention God's name? :confused:

Jehovah jehoovah!!!!! :D

the life of Brian :D

[Moosey]

Hitler wrote in "Mein Kampf":

"The individual may establish with pain today that with the appearance of Christianity the first spiritual terror entered into the far freer ancient world, but he will not be able to contest the fact that since then the world has been afflicted and dominated by this coercion, and that coercion is broken only by coercion, and terror by terror. Only then can a new state of affairs be constructively created."

So he's actually talking about destroying Christianity. This backs up the statements he made in private like:

You see, it’s been our misfortune to have the wrong religion. Why didn’t we have the religion of the Japanese, who regard sacrifice for the Fatherland as the highest good? The Mohammedan religion too would have been much more compatible to us than Christianity


He did publicly refer to himself as a christian regularly though, mainly, it seems, as justification for his pre-existing anti-semintism.

[xen]

But to somehow label all current Christians as somehow guilty because of that is absurd in the extreme.

i just thought exactly the same while i was making a brew.
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Just what is the purpose of the thread?

Hitler a christian + hitler bad man => christians bad people

do you think we are about nine years old?

that sort of garbage reasoning might work as an emotional play to a crowd of people who already subscribe to the agenda, but here in the world of the grown-ups it looks like a cheap-shot and an attempt to fuel the general tensions which gather around religious differences.

if you had offered some insight into/analysis of quotes you posted, that would be inviting discussion.

this thread is just an invitation for trouble...

but then, you already knew that didn't you?

[Sankaku-jime]

But to somehow label all current Christians as somehow guilty because of that is absurd in the extreme.

absolutley, but that demented logic is often used against Muslims today.

[slipthejab]

Using that same reasoning we could easily say... the murderous Taleban nutbars are muslims... therefore all murderous nutbars are musilm - therefore all muslims are bad.

Wow.

Seems to me there is enough of this kind of reasoning going on already.

[Wolf]

Why is it when people find that someone did something attrocious and called themselves a christian, then they think that OBVIOUSLY christianity is to blame, not the person. Because people are incapable of lieing about their religious beliefs? :rolleyes:

[xen]

absolutley, but that demented logic is often used against Muslims today.

so you played the 'nazi' card to make a point about the logic some idiots use against decent Muslims?

i empathise with your intent, but you can do better than that.

if the point is a valid one, it doesn't need garbage like this to introduce us to it.

[slipthejab]

absolutley, but that demented logic is often used against Muslims today.


Too funny that you posted in the same time I did given the gist of my post. :D

Sankaku - you of all people don't have to tell me about how muslim people are viewed. I've personally spent plenty of time in muslim countries (both in S.Asia and in SE Asia) and I'm very familiar with how the vast majority of muslim people are.

Most will only ever kill you with hospitality. :)

The angle of this whole post seems silly though. The way to bring up the issue of muslims at large being blamed for all the ills of the world is not some half assed attempt at equating Hitler with all Christians. :rolleyes:

[Sankaku-jime]

Sometimes a different angle is whats needed !

BTW Hitler was also a Vegetarian.

Now what I want to know is why arent moderate vegatarians standing up and condeming the Holocaust. The world needs to know that not all vegatarians are Nazi's.

[aikiMac]

Sometimes a different angle is whats needed !
Indeed. Let's think on this: Jesus was a Christian.

[xen]

Sometimes a different angle is whats needed !

BTW Hitler was also a Vegetarian.

Now what I want to know is why arent moderate vegatarians standing up and condeming the Holocaust. The world needs to know that not all vegatarians are Nazi's.

you need to get the hang of smilies...

they let people know if you are obtuse or if your tongue is in your cheek.

:)

:p

[Sankaku-jime]

you need to get the hang of smilies...

they let people know if you are obtuse or if your tongue is in your cheek.

:)

:p

thanks I'll bare that in mind :D

[medi]

Next time I see large groups of vegetarians saying "Well we don't really agree with Hitler's methods, but as a fellow vegetarian I can certainly sympathise with his point of view on the Jewish Question", I'll probably say Yes, they do need to stand up and condemn him.

[xen]

Indeed. Let's think on this: Jesus was a Christian.

ohhh!

*hand in air, waving frantically from the back*

'so from all this do we conclude that jesus got nailed to the cross because Judas blew the location of the camp he instructed the disciples to build just outside Nazereth and that he also told them about the army of sandal-wearing, bearded guys massing just off the road to Damascus?'

or are we using flawed methods to reach our conclusions at this juncture?

:eek:

[CanuckMA]

Sometimes a different angle is whats needed !

BTW Hitler was also a Vegetarian.

Now what I want to know is why arent moderate vegatarians standing up and condeming the Holocaust. The world needs to know that not all vegatarians are Nazi's.

That is moer likely the reason. The lack of red meat affected his brain.

Besides, anybody willing to turn down a thick juicy steak needs to have their head examined. :)

[CanuckMA]

Using that same reasoning we could easily say... the murderous Taleban nutbars are muslims... therefore all murderous nutbars are musilm - therefore all muslims are bad.



I say cut out the middleman. All murderous nutbars .. are bad :D

[MadMonk108]

Hitler may have been a Christian at one point in his life, but cast that aside. He with the help of others, wanted to eradicate Christianity (seen as a religion of the weak), and set up the true Aryan religion.

I'm always amazed at how people can selectively ignore history to support their anti-whomever views.

Oh, wait, this thread was started by Sankaku-jime.

Never mind.

Hey, Slip, how you doing?

[aikiMac]

ohhh!

*hand in air, waving frantically from the back*

'so from all this do we conclude that jesus got nailed to the cross because Judas blew the location of the camp he instructed the disciples to build just outside Nazereth and that he also told them about the army of sandal-wearing, bearded guys massing just off the road to Damascus?'

or are we using flawed methods to reach our conclusions at this juncture?

:eek:
:p Works for me.

[Kwajman]

A christian? I don't know about that but he was obsessed with the occult and its potential power.

[tekkengod]

even i have to scratch my head a bit on this one, question is how much does he have in common with jesus? (JOKE)
although i wouldn't be that surprised if he was given his thought process.

[firecoins]

Indeed. Let's think on this: Jesus was a Christian.
Jesus was a Jew

[tkdkyle]

I seriously doubt that Hitler was a Christian. I have never heard that before. Obviously his actions did not show he was one.

[firecoins]

I seriously doubt that Hitler was a Christian. I have never heard that before. Obviously his actions did not show he was one.
Hitler was born a Christian. He did not use the bible to justify his actions though.

[tkdkyle]

Hitler was born a Christian. He did not use the bible to justify his actions though.

I could argue that he wasn't born a Christian. He might have been born into a Christan family, but that doesn't count for much. Being a Christian isn't something you are born into.

[aikiMac]

I could argue that he wasn't born a Christian. He might have been born into a Christan family, but that doesn't count for much. Being a Christian isn't something you are born into.
Aye, nobody is born a Christian. That's not the way the religion works. :rolleyes:


Jesus was a Jew
Were the big 12 disciples/apostles Christians? Was the Apostle Paul a Christian?

[Codename 4711]

How many wars have started because of religion?

Just look at N-Ireland - there are still fights between catholics and protestants - both christian faiths I like to add... So what a person does, no matter who s/he is shouldn't be seen in the light of their supposed faith...

[tkdkyle]

Also, if Hitler was really a Christian he wouldn't have killed millions of Jews. He would have tried to tell them about Jesus and convert them.

[MadMonk108]

How many wars have started because of religion?

Just look at N-Ireland - there are still fights between catholics and protestants - both christian faiths I like to add... So what a person does, no matter who s/he is shouldn't be seen in the light of their supposed faith...

In most cases, like Northern Ireland, there are always other reasons for the fighting, and religion is either just a corralary, or a convenient scapegoat/justification.

[CanuckMA]

Also, if Hitler was really a Christian he wouldn't have killed millions of Jews. He would have tried to tell them about Jesus and convert them.

Not funny

[tkdkyle]

Not funny

Wasn't meant to be funny.

[MadMonk108]

Actually, I just remembered this from high school history.

Hitler's mom was a Jew.

[DCombatives]

absolutley, but that demented logic is often used against Muslims today.

Just the ones that claim a return to the barbarism of the 12th century and the literal interpretation of the Koran are the will of God; although I tend to think cutting of someone's head for failing to submit to the word of God doesn't really make someone a good Muslim. As if God needs help smiting the unfaithful. How arrogant.

[Haplo 913]

-Jesus = Jew
-Apostle Paul = Christian
-Hitler = An unpracting Christian that blamed Jews for the death of Christ.
-Hitler being a Christian does not reflect the majority of christians.

[aikiMac]

-Jesus = Jew
-Apostle Paul = Christian
I'm curious to know why you say this. Paul was a Pharisaic Jew from the tribe of Benjamin, no? :confused:


Matthew 7:21-23 might have some applicability to Adolf Hitler's life. I say "might" because I'm not the guy calling the shots and I'm no expert on his life, but, you know, you can decide for yourself.

[Matt_Bernius]

Actually, I just remembered this from high school history.

Hitler's mom was a Jew.Sorry man. It would be wonderful irony. But it just isn't true.

"There have been rumours that Hitler was one-quarter Jewish [2] and that his paternal grandmother, Maria Schicklgruber, had become pregnant after working as a servant in a Jewish household in Graz. During the 1920s, the implications of these rumours along with his known family history were politically explosive, especially for the proponent of a racist ideology. Opponents tried to prove that Hitler, the leader of the anti-Semitic Nazi Party, had Jewish or Czech ancestors. Although these rumours were never confirmed, for Hitler they were reason enough to conceal his origins. Soviet propaganda insisted Hitler was a Jew, though more modern research tends to diminish the probability that he had Jewish ancestors."
source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler

"Hitler's grandmother was not Jewish.

There are some rumors hinting that Hitler's grandfather was Jewish. Few, if any, of the reputable historians on the Holocaust believe that this is so. It is more likely that Hitler tried to keep the murky history of his family quite secret because there was a high incidence of insanity and feeble-mindedness in his ancestors.

Rumors die hard, though. "
source: http://www.holocaust-history.org/questions/hitler-jewish.shtml

"One of the most frequently asked questions we receive is whether Adolf Hitler was Jewish or had ancestors who were. The idea seems to arise from the remote possibility that Hitler's grandfather was Jewish. Hitler's father, Alois, was registered as an illegitimate child with no father. Alois' mother worked in the home of a wealthy Jew and there is some chance a son in that household got the woman (i.e., Hitler's grandmother) pregnant. Adolf Hitler was not Jewish."
source: http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/hitlerjew.html

- Matt

[Haplo 913]

I'm curious to know why you say this. Paul was a Pharisaic Jew from the tribe of Benjamin, no? :confused:


Matthew 7:21-23 might have some applicability to Adolf Hitler's life. I say "might" because I'm not the guy calling the shots and I'm no expert on his life, but, you know, you can decide for yourself.


You could be right, I am just assuming since Paul wrote all those letters to the christian churches. I am no philospher myself either.

[tkdkyle]

I'm curious to know why you say this. Paul was a Pharisaic Jew from the tribe of Benjamin, no? :confused:


Matthew 7:21-23 might have some applicability to Adolf Hitler's life. I say "might" because I'm not the guy calling the shots and I'm no expert on his life, but, you know, you can decide for yourself.

1. Yes, and Paul then became a Christian

2.You might be right about Matthew 7:21-23. I think that the verse is talking about people who claim to be Christians, but really aren't. If you want to read that verse in context you need to read verses 7:15-23.

[Bompu]

This is true. Apostle Paul was once a person that killed and persecuted Christians. Then Paul converted and became saved and forgiven.

Just as Hitler may have been a crazy murdering lunatic at one time but being a Christian means he has an eternal afterlife in Heaven with Paul and Jesus. Not to mention other conservative Christian political leaders like Nixon and Reagan.

And that is the beautiful thing about that faith isn't it? You can be a total immoral bastard all your life and then accept Christ and be in Heaven for eternity! :rolleyes: After all I am always told by Christians that it is not by good works but by faith alone that you are saved.

[aikiMac]

What, if anything, do you see in the life of Hitler that suggests that he "accepted Christ," as you put it? I'm not particularly schooled on the life of Hitler but I've never, ever, anywhere, heard or read anything to suggest that he "accepted Christ."

[Lily]

Even I'm not dum-dum enough "cough" Bompu "cough" to assume that Hitler 'accepted' Christ and went to heaven.

Bompu - Are you a Buddhist? If you are (guessing from the threads you've started) you would not make such stupid statements:

And that is the beautiful thing about that faith isn't it? You can be a total immoral bastard all your life and then accept Christ and be in Heaven for eternity! After all I am always told by Christians that it is not by good works but by faith alone that you are saved.

Get your facts straight. You're such an embarrassment.

[prowla]

Hitler was a Christian, and a vegetarian.
But there's something else that makes me thing we're focusing on the wrong attribute...
He had a moustache!
Think about that, then!
So did Stalin.
And Saddam Hussain.
Aha!

(I also have this theory of dinosaurs: All brontosauruses are thin at one end, much MUCH thicker in the middle, and then thin again at the far end. That is the theory that I have and which is mine, and what it is too.)

[tekkengod]

straighten the facts for us then, now you're claiming they're are limits on your god's love and mercy? please, enlighten me as to the exact number and degree of attrocities you're allowed before he withdraws his offer?

[Bompu]

Nope I'm not a Buddhist. I haven't the patience for it. But I also have no patience for Christians telling me I can go to hell for being a non-believer.

And why is it hard to believe that Hitler is in Heaven? As I said, Paul was also a murderer and he is an apostle. It is cited many times in the New Testament that one is saved by faith in Christ Jesus not by works. And why get so bent over Hitler being a Christian or not? What of terrorist groups like the KKK or the IRA of North Ireland? All devout Christians as well. In fact I could mention some small Buddhist groups in Myanmar that also practice terrorist acts...

Maybe Heaven is full of devout fundamentalist extremists. Hell is full of pagans like the pre-Christian civilizations of American Indians. Anyhow, wouldn't a real Buddhist rather be in Hell in order to help ease the suffering of all those sentient beings and hungry ghosts?

[aikiMac]

And why is it hard to believe that Hitler is in Heaven?
The lack of evidence suggesting, even a little teeny tiny bit, that he repented before God, weighs heavily against your theory.


As I said, Paul was also a murderer and he is an apostle.
Well, gosh, don't stop there. Continue the biography. How did Paul go from murderer to apostle? Come on, aren't you leaving some important things out?


It is cited many times in the New Testament that one is saved by faith in Christ Jesus not by works.
It is cited many times in the NT that repentance is part of that thing called "faith." James 2:19 comes to mind with respect to faith not involving repentance.


And why get so bent over Hitler being a Christian or not?
Because truth matters.


What of terrorist groups like the KKK or the IRA of North Ireland? All devout Christians as well.
Uh, not by the definition of "Christian" as found in the NT. You have to redefine the word from it's original meaning, which a lot of people do.

[Sankaku-jime]

Hitler may have been a Christian at one point in his life, but cast that aside. He with the help of others, wanted to eradicate Christianity (seen as a religion of the weak), and set up the true Aryan religion.


there is compelling evidence to suggest that Hitler formed his anti semetic ideas from his Christian teachings,


I'm always amazed at how people can selectively ignore history to support their anti-whomever views.


yes its amazing is it not


Oh, wait, this thread was started by Sankaku-jime.


I actualy started this thread to illustrate a point, not to demonize Christianity.


“Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.” –Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)


interestingly Hitler thought he was doing Gods will, as do War Criminals of our time such as Bush and Blair :D

[medi]

I actualy started this thread to illustrate a point, not to demonize Christianity.




Yah the point being not all Muslims should be tarred with the same brush as the extremists. Very true.


Notably, most of the Christian world spent 7 years in a Global War fighting what you think is "Christian" Nazism, with little question over issues like "We can't possibly attack the enemy, killing civilians will only result in them recruiting more Nazis."

Maybe it's time some people stopped dragging their feet when it comes to fighting the equivalent Islamic Extremism.

[aikiMac]

interestingly Hitler thought he was doing Gods will, as do War Criminals of our time such as Bush and Blair :D
You could criticize Moslems equally, could you not?
http://www.martialartsplanet.com/forums/showpost.php?p=928729&postcount=73

i converted to Islam mainly for the purpose of Marriage, but I know from experience that context is of the upmost importance when trying to understand the [religion's holy book]

[Sankaku-jime]

You could criticize Moslems equally, could you not?
http://www.martialartsplanet.com/forums/showpost.php?p=928729&postcount=73

you got me on that one, yes you could ;)

[Moosey]

Hitler was a Christian, and a vegetarian.

He ate sausages!

(I went to see Bill Bailey in Bristol a couple of years ago and he started a routine with "Hitler, he was a vegetarian". A woman in the audience piped up with "No he wasn't - he ate sausages!". I've never establihed if this was true, but if you're confident enough to heckle a famous comedian on stage with it, I'm willing to believe her)

[tkdkyle]

Nope I'm not a Buddhist. I haven't the patience for it. But I also have no patience for Christians telling me I can go to hell for being a non-believer.

And why is it hard to believe that Hitler is in Heaven? As I said, Paul was also a murderer and he is an apostle. It is cited many times in the New Testament that one is saved by faith in Christ Jesus not by works. And why get so bent over Hitler being a Christian or not? What of terrorist groups like the KKK or the IRA of North Ireland? All devout Christians as well. In fact I could mention some small Buddhist groups in Myanmar that also practice terrorist acts...

Maybe Heaven is full of devout fundamentalist extremists. Hell is full of pagans like the pre-Christian civilizations of American Indians. Anyhow, wouldn't a real Buddhist rather be in Hell in order to help ease the suffering of all those sentient beings and hungry ghosts?

I seriously doubt that if he was saved he would have commited such horrible acts. When someone is truly saved they are supposed to have a change of heart and turn away from evil ways. They are not supposed to say, "Well, i'm saved now so I can do all the bad things I want!"

And as for Paul. He stoped murdering Christians after he was saved.

[firecoins]

How many wars have started because of religion?

about 243 and 2/3rds to be exact

[tekkengod]

Lily, i'd still like you or someone to explain to me why Tookie Williams can accept god and get into heaven, but Hitler can't.

[aikiMac]

Lily, i'd still like you or someone to explain to me why Tookie Williams can accept god and get into heaven, but Hitler can't.
:eek: You can't be serious.

[MadMonk108]

So Hitler was Buddhist?

[tekkengod]

:eek: You can't be serious.

On the last page, lily said it like she was amazed that someone ( don't remember who) mentioned the notion that hitler could be in heaven, and she was stunned. so now i'm asking, are there now imposed limits on who can and can't accept christ? i'm always told "its not too late" anyone can got to heaven" so whats to keep us from assuming that he didn't accept christ just before he offed himself? he could be in heaven right now, theoretically. so either their ARE or AREN'T any restrictions on who gets into heaven. And if there are, please, let me know when the offers up and a ball park estimate of how many strikes you get. Tookie Williams claimed it before he was executed, and he wasn't exactly a model citizen.

[Matt_Bernius]

so whats to keep us from assuming that he didn't accept christ just before he offed himself? ... Tookie Williams claimed it before he was executed, and he wasn't exactly a model citizen.Here's the catch -- in order to accept Christ - you need to behave like a Christian. It isn't as simple as declaring "oh, I believe" and then continuing as before.

So -- for example -- if the H man accepted Christ THEN HE COULDN'T OFF HIMSELF as you noted. Sucide is counter Christian. If Hitler had chose the godly path, then he would have called a cease-fire, surrendered, and turned himself over for war crimes judgment.

In the case of Williams, the arguement was that this gentleman accepted Christ in Jail (I believe he was/became Christian) and then attempted to live an acceptable Christian existance. Note that one key thing in that case was he never accepted/confessed to the actual crime (which in itself was a large sticking point).

In any case, Hitlers actions, up until the end, strongly suggest that even if he called himself a Christian, he never truely accepted Christ (at least as I understand it). In other words, you can't just talk the talk.

As in all aspects of life, it's how you walk to walk that counts.

- Matt

[Capt Ann]

"You art not far from the kingdom of Heaven."

[aikiMac]

i'm always told "its not too late" anyone can got to heaven" so whats to keep us from assuming that he didn't accept christ just before he offed himself? ... Tookie Williams claimed it before he was executed, and he wasn't exactly a model citizen.
I'll build on what Matt B said.

You want me to turn on my brain and think, and pay attention to the world around me. Well, I’m right back at you. Come on now, you have to do some thinking too. It’s already been said here and elsewhere in threads that you read, that repentance is required. Compare the two men.

Tookie Williams worked to keep kids out of gangs. He wrote books for children. He talked with people about the evils of gang life. He did so much that was of such a high magnitude that, reportedly, he was nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize five years in a row: 2001 to 2005. In short, if anyone anyplace at any time has shown repentance, Tookie belongs on that list.

That doesn't mean that he's in heaven. I don't even know what religion he claimed, if he claimed any religion at all. But it means that he passed the first hurdle: repentance.

Now look at Hitler. Find me any indication of repentance at all, even a little bit. I'm unaware of any such evidence.

Duh, duh, and triple duh.

[tekkengod]

ok. point made. True Tookie did alot. Hitler didn't. but the way lily said it was as if the offer had a time limit.

[prowla]

He ate sausages!

(I went to see Bill Bailey in Bristol a couple of years ago and he started a routine with "Hitler, he was a vegetarian". A woman in the audience piped up with "No he wasn't - he ate sausages!". I've never establihed if this was true, but if you're confident enough to heckle a famous comedian on stage with it, I'm willing to believe her)Maybe he was a 2nd generation vegetarian, then. (ie. He only ate meat from vegetarian animals.)

[medi]

Maybe he was a 2nd generation vegetarian, then. (ie. He only ate meat from vegetarian animals.)



As opposed to vegetarians who only eat carnivorous plants

[Lily]

Tekken - can you point out where in my previous post you see me say that 'the offer had a time limit' (your words)?

I was shocked and stunned at Bompu's post as he has little grasp of the concept of Christian salvation, repentance and acceptance of Christ and yet attacked Christianity. Bompu put 1 and 2 together and got 7.8. Looks like you're working off the wrong answer Tekkengod.

I think the posts after mine should have explained things well enough for you (Tookie, Hitler, etc.).

[Emil]

Well, he couldn't have been a very good christian, as he tried to outlaw churches, and show himself himself and the Nazi party as idols

[NewLearner]

Maybe he was a 2nd generation vegetarian, then. (ie. He only ate meat from vegetarian animals.)

You just made spit my drink all over the table.

That was hilarious.

[TasheDelek]

History check . . . Hitler was very much influenced by Neitzsche and his anti-semetic rhetoric. But Neitzsche was much more than an anti-semite. He had lots of problems with all religions basically. If you don't believe me do some research :) .

Yours,
JB

[Levi]

Hitler was born a jew. He died a christian. he may not have been a good person, but he claimed he was a christain and so he was.
One sin is as equal as another in the christain religion, therefore some of us have commited just as many if not more sins than hitler. Downloading Illegal music (stealing) is a prime example. There are people who illegally download thousands of songs who are christains. So therefore they have commited thousands of sins. So they are just as guilty as hitler, if not worse.
Thats true in the christian religion. Stealing one song is the same as killing one man. You might think that sounds crazy, but do some reading and you will find that its true. Our society tells us what we can and cant do, and some sins seem totally more dynamic than others, but according to the bible, all sins are equal.

[TasheDelek]

Hitler was born a jew. He died a christian. he may not have been a good person, but he claimed he was a christain and so he was.
One sin is as equal as another in the christain religion, therefore some of us have commited just as many if not more sins than hitler. Downloading Illegal music (stealing) is a prime example. There are people who illegally download thousands of songs who are christains. So therefore they have commited thousands of sins. So they are just as guilty as hitler, if not worse.
Thats true in the christian religion. Stealing one song is the same as killing one man. You might think that sounds crazy, but do some reading and you will find that its true. Our society tells us what we can and cant do, and some sins seem totally more dynamic than others, but according to the bible, all sins are equal.

This is the most horrific post I have ever read. You are comparing human life to a music download? I am genuinely concerned about this. Do please google image Holocaust and see if you still believe the same.

Yours in absolute horror,
JB

[tekkengod]

damn kid..maybe i should spend next week cleaning my hard drive as opposed to visiting the holocaust museum

[Levi]

This is the most horrific post I have ever read. You are comparing human life to a music download? I am genuinely concerned about this. Do please google image Holocaust and see if you still believe the same.

Yours in absolute horror,
JB
I am not saying I agree with this. I am simply stating that the bible states that one sin is just as bad as another. This is an example of that theory. Thats what the christain religion believes, so thats what I made of it. I'm not saying its right or wrong.
I don't agree with this, but thats what it is meant in the text. Stealing is just a sinful as killing as the bible states.
So isnt that the same scenario as what I posted?

[Levi]

damn kid..maybe i should spend next week cleaning my hard drive as opposed to visiting the holocaust museum Go ahead and keep downloading, you can be forgiven for your sins. :D

[TasheDelek]

I am not saying I agree with this. I am simply stating that the bible states that one sin is just as bad as another. This is an example of that theory. Thats what the christain religion believes, so thats what I made of it. I'm not saying its right or wrong.
I don't agree with this, but thats what it is meant in the text. Stealing is just a sinful as killing as the bible states.
So isnt that the same scenario as what I posted?


It would appear so. It doesn't make it any less horrific. That ANYONE would compare 6 million jews and 4 million others murdered to 11 million illegal downloads AND say that the latter is a far worse sin sounds daft (IMHOP). I mean I respect the fact that you don't agree with it and I would worry if you did. But that people do . . . is scary.

[Levi]

It would appear so. It doesn't make it any less horrific. That ANYONE would compare 6 million jews and 4 million others murdered to 11 million illegal downloads AND says that the latter is a far worse sin sounds daft (IMHOP). I mean I respect the fact that you don't agree with it and I would worry if you did. But that people do . . . is scary.
exactly. To me a death of a man is worse than stealling anything for that matter. The bible does say though that all sins are equal, so if you go by that....well..
Just because the bible says that stealling is equal to killing, just doesnt seem comparable to our society.
Th bible does say that all sins can be forgiven though. :Angel:

[Deepsey]

Just because the bible says that stealling is equal to killing, just doesnt seem comparable to our society.
Do you think it is not?

Th bible does say that all sins can be forgiven though. :Angel:
Right.
Let us mess around, and god wil forgive us. (I am bein sarcastic for those who do not undertand)

[Capt Ann]

...............I am simply stating that the bible states that one sin is just as bad as another. This is an example of that theory. Thats what the christain religion believes, so thats what I made of it. I'm not saying its right or wrong.
I don't agree with this, but thats what it is meant in the text. Stealing is just a sinful as killing as the bible states.
I am not aware of any place in the Bible where it says that every sin is just as bad as any other. It does say that if you are guilty of one sin, you are convicted as a lawbreaker.

So isnt that the same scenario as what I posted?
No. Stealing, murdering, and illegal downloading are 'equally sinful', but that doesn't necessarily mean that they are the same, or deserving of the same punishment. Change your phrase 'equally sinful' to 'equally illegal'. Murder, illegal downloading, and going past the speed limit are all 'equally illegal' - any of the above might result in a visit from the Po-Po. Obviously, they do not all have the same punishment or penalty, because the actions themselves are not equal.

If you are going to debate or critique what the Bible says, please try to understand its message first, and not just debate a strawman.

[Matt_Bernius]

Hitler was born a jew.No he wasn't. PERIOD. HITLER WAS NOT A JEW EVER! Stop spreading bad history, especially after I corrected this mistake eariler in this thread!

Sorry man. It would be wonderful irony. But it just isn't true.

"There have been rumours that Hitler was one-quarter Jewish [2] and that his paternal grandmother, Maria Schicklgruber, had become pregnant after working as a servant in a Jewish household in Graz. During the 1920s, the implications of these rumours along with his known family history were politically explosive, especially for the proponent of a racist ideology. Opponents tried to prove that Hitler, the leader of the anti-Semitic Nazi Party, had Jewish or Czech ancestors. Although these rumours were never confirmed, for Hitler they were reason enough to conceal his origins. Soviet propaganda insisted Hitler was a Jew, though more modern research tends to diminish the probability that he had Jewish ancestors."
source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler

"Hitler's grandmother was not Jewish.

There are some rumors hinting that Hitler's grandfather was Jewish. Few, if any, of the reputable historians on the Holocaust believe that this is so. It is more likely that Hitler tried to keep the murky history of his family quite secret because there was a high incidence of insanity and feeble-mindedness in his ancestors.

Rumors die hard, though. "
source: http://www.holocaust-history.org/questions/hitler-jewish.shtml

"One of the most frequently asked questions we receive is whether Adolf Hitler was Jewish or had ancestors who were. The idea seems to arise from the remote possibility that Hitler's grandfather was Jewish. Hitler's father, Alois, was registered as an illegitimate child with no father. Alois' mother worked in the home of a wealthy Jew and there is some chance a son in that household got the woman (i.e., Hitler's grandmother) pregnant. Adolf Hitler was not Jewish."
source: http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/hitlerjew.html

- Matt

One sin is as equal as another in the christain religion, therefore some of us have commited just as many if not more sins than hitler.... Stealing one song is the same as killing one man. You might think that sounds crazy, but do some reading and you will find that its true. Our society tells us what we can and cant do, and some sins seem totally more dynamic than others, but according to the bible, all sins are equal.Only in the strictest fundimental reading does this even sorta make sense. Sorry man, doesn't quite work this way.

- Matt