UFC 61 - Dissapointment?

[Sparkle]

Well, my pops and I decided to order it on PPV. The first fight was alright and it seemed like it was going to be a good night for fights. Then . . . Tito and Shamrock happened. The ref stopping that fight the way he did in my opinion was BS. Shamrock wasn't even hurt. He should have at least given tito 2 or 3 more elbows to see if Shamrock would recover . . . .

Then Silvia and the Pitbull guy . . . complete dissapointment in my opinion. There seemed to be a lack of passion and intensity in the pitbull guy, he seemed nervous and unsure. He should have picked Sylvia apart. Anyways, I'm new to this MMA stuff and was wondering other peoples opinions. . . . .

[BigRed389]

General consensus from people I've talked to about it, and who've all followed UFC/MMA for a while...yes, it was a bit of a disappointment.

[Wolf]

Well, my pops and I decided to order it on PPV. The first fight was alright and it seemed like it was going to be a good night for fights. Then . . . Tito and Shamrock happened. The ref stopping that fight the way he did in my opinion was BS. Shamrock wasn't even hurt. He should have at least given tito 2 or 3 more elbows to see if Shamrock would recover . . . .

Then Silvia and the Pitbull guy . . . complete dissapointment in my opinion. There seemed to be a lack of passion and intensity in the pitbull guy, he seemed nervous and unsure. He should have picked Sylvia apart. Anyways, I'm new to this MMA stuff and was wondering other peoples opinions. . . . .

In regards to Andrei Arlovski (a.k.a. "the pitbull guy"). I think he was still psychologically messed up from the last knockout sylvia gave him. Consequently he didn't want to commit to any attacks. It was a huge dissappointmet, but I think if he fights a couple of other guys he'll work his issues out and be back at the top of his game.

[gornex]

if you watch when tito is feeding the elbows, after the first one ken's legs go limp, it was a good stoppage.

[TheDarkJester]

I caught some of the replays on the first match (was at the brewery putting them down) and caught the last half of Sylvia/Arlovski match and I was dissapointed to see Ken go down like that.. then again Ortiz is a complete bull..

But the sylvia arlovski match.. Double You Tee Eff?! If I wanted to watch a boxing match I would have gone elsewhere to watch a fight. No takedowns, bare minimal kicking, and just jab after jab after jab with little follow ups.. I've seen schoolyard fights with more intensity than that, but I'm glad they grinded it out to make up for that 1 minute nonsense in the Ortiz Shamrock bout. :(

[Sparkle]

if you watch when tito is feeding the elbows, after the first one ken's legs go limp, it was a good stoppage.

So what? Plenty of people get hit and get dazed. After that he did nothing but recover while being rained on by elbows : /. People payed good money to see that fight, and to stop it like that was ridiculous. Right as soon as the ref stepped in to stop it Shamrock was trying to stop him from doing it, it didn't take him any time to regenerate either. I think the ref should have let him throw a few more elbows to see if Shamrock would have defended himself.

[funnytiger]

So what? Plenty of people get hit and get dazed. After that he did nothing but recover while being rained on by elbows : /. People payed good money to see that fight, and to stop it like that was ridiculous. Right as soon as the ref stepped in to stop it Shamrock was trying to stop him from doing it, it didn't take him any time to regenerate either. I think the ref should have let him throw a few more elbows to see if Shamrock would have defended himself.

I agree 100%! The crowds reaction was on point! I was definitely EXTREMELY disappointed! None of the fights were all that memorable, and if they were, its not a good memory. :mad: Wish I could get my $40 back...

[Cuchulain4]

I should have known that fight would be over quick. I got sucked into the hype tho from all the ads and watching TUF. I dont think shamrock deserved to fight Tito, he hasnt proved himself worth of the challange. He just has a big ego.

[Wolf]

So what? Plenty of people get hit and get dazed. After that he did nothing but recover while being rained on by elbows : /. People payed good money to see that fight, and to stop it like that was ridiculous. Right as soon as the ref stepped in to stop it Shamrock was trying to stop him from doing it, it didn't take him any time to regenerate either. I think the ref should have let him throw a few more elbows to see if Shamrock would have defended himself.

It really is a tough call. The UFC rules state that the ref is to stop the fight if the fighter is not "Intelligently Defending Himself." Shamrock really didn't seem to be doing that. On the other had he also didn't look in too bad a shape to me. I would have let it go on for just a little bit longer to see if he actually recovered. However, I wouldn't have let it go much longer.

[Vigilance]

I think the ref should have let him throw a few more elbows to see if Shamrock would have defended himself.


Why, Shamrock didn't defend any of the first five or six elbows that Tito was blasting him with? Why do you need to see him get hit with 9 or 10 unanswered blows before the ref stops it?

I'll admit I was disappointed it was stopped so soon, but its Shamrock's own fault. He gets taken down and obsolutely pounded for 3 rounds in the first fight, and within one minute of this one he is on his back, pressed up against the cage with elbows raining down on his face again. Its time for him to retire.

[mrsumo]

I am glad Tito handed it to shamrock (again). Shamrock is a great fighter and a real legend in mma, but his less that shining performance in TUF3 gave an interesting account of his character. I'm glad he is stuck with the yellow camaro!

[bcullen]

I'd have to agree, I ordered it too and invited a bunch of people over and the secondary fights ended up being far better then both main events. The Ortiz fight should not have been stopped (big full stop). Ken, immediately rebounded to his feet; if he was truly rocked he would not have been able to get up like that.

Arlovski, started good but never pressed the action, it was five rounds of waiting for the fight to begin. The live audience was not sounding very happy by the end of that fight. If I'd have shelled out a few hundred for a ticket I'd have been pretty PO'd myself. If you haven't seen it yet, don't worry about it: Best to pretend it never happened.

[bujingodai]

Agreed, though I do think the fight with Tito should have been stopped for the moment, after the state that Shamrock was still up and fired. I would have restarted it under the circumstances. They should make a rule about that outcome.
Sylvia fight was a total snore. That had potential.
The Yves Edwards fight was the best all night, at least there was some action.
What was with Mir and Christianson. That fight was not UFC calibre at all.

I am very jacked to see Liddell and Silva though.
Any predictions. I am a huge Liddell fan, however.....If Silva is totally in his game..ala Sakaruba fight, I can see him winning.

[Cuchulain4]

Maybe they should impose a count like in K-1

[Apotheosis]

Agreed, though I do think the fight with Tito should have been stopped for the moment, after the state that Shamrock was still up and fired. I would have restarted it under the circumstances. They should make a rule about that outcome.
Sylvia fight was a total snore. That had potential.
The Yves Edwards fight was the best all night, at least there was some action.
What was with Mir and Christianson. That fight was not UFC calibre at all.

I am very jacked to see Liddell and Silva though.
Any predictions. I am a huge Liddell fan, however.....If Silva is totally in his game..ala Sakaruba fight, I can see him winning.

IF it happens, which I doubt, then Silva will take it.

But there are too many if's in this situation, so chances are it wont happen.

[Sankaku-jime]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ielwMhwrBOw

Tito vs Ken

[Sever]

Moved to Fight Discussions
I think Herb Dean made the right call. Shamrock's always had quick recovery time, but the fact is that he'd gone limp and blocking elbows with your face is not intelligent defence - the key word there being "intelligent" - ie, making some effort to stop the opponent landing elbows cleanly on your face with no resistance
BIG no to the count. That's a really daft idea

[bcullen]

Moved to Fight Discussions
I think Herb Dean made the right call. Shamrock's always had quick recovery time, but the fact is that he'd gone limp and blocking elbows with your face is not intelligent defence - the key word there being "intelligent" - ie, making some effort to stop the opponent landing elbows cleanly on your face with no resistance
BIG no to the count. That's a really daft idea

The thing is he didn't go limp, he was not able to retaliate and was turning to the side to cover-up so he could try and get some time to recover his berrings and do something. Watch the way he gets up at 3:03, you don't get up like that if you were just rocked.
Dean, may have been right to stop to see if he was ok, but the fight should have continued.

[Sever]

You can't stop a fight as one fighter's landing unchecked blows "just to see if he's OK" and then restart it when the guy's had some time to recover. Shamrock was not defending himself, I'd say he was definitely rocked, but has good recovery time which he's always had. He was straight up after Rich Franklin pounded on him too.
The rules clearly state that a fighter must be offering an intelligent defence - he may not have been able to do much, but he could've closed his guard up, tried to hold Tito towards him to stop the strikes, but he didn't. He didn't even try to get his hands in front of his face, he layed there and took five elbows cleanly. It doesn't matter if he was KO'd or hurt or not, the point is he was not defending himself and the ref has to make the call as to whether or not to stop the fight not based on how hurt he is, but if he's defending himself or not. I'd rather see refs err on the side of caution than someone get seriously hurt because they let it go on too long

[Vigilance]

It doesn't matter if he was KO'd or hurt or not, the point is he was not defending himself and the ref has to make the call as to whether or not to stop the fight not based on how hurt he is, but if he's defending himself or not. I'd rather see refs err on the side of caution than someone get seriously hurt because they let it go on too long


I agree completely. He took 5 viscous elbows to the face and he did nothing to stop them. If Herb Dean didn't step in, he may have taken 50 elbows to the face. Everyone knows Ken has alot of heart and can take a hit, but he was just laying there getting beat up.

I blame Sham-Rock, not Herb Dean. All the hype and build-up and he gets his face pounded in one minute. After seeing this fight and Gracie/Hughes fight, I wonder if these old-timers are just there for the paycheck.

[kwang gae]

Stopping the Shamrock - Ortiz fight was a tough call, and one I'm sure Herb Dean didn't want to have to do. Maybe he should have let it go on a bit longer, maybe not.

Tito was raining down elbows on Ken's head, but they didn't seem to be doing any damage, (compare Ken's face after the fight to Ken's face after their last fight). I just don't think the elbows were that powerful, I think Tito was trying to open up a cut on Ken, and Herb Dean stopped the fight when Ken had no response.

Still that onslaught of elbows lasted what 2 seconds? Could Ken have fought back? We'll never know.

[Origami Itto]

Guys, if you believe that the referee made bad call that's one thing, but saying stuff like "i paid to see this fight so they should have let the guy get pounded for at least 5 more minutes" sounds wrong. Some fights just end early.

[bcullen]

You can't stop a fight as one fighter's landing unchecked blows "just to see if he's OK" and then restart it when the guy's had some time to recover. Shamrock was not defending himself, I'd say he was definitely rocked, but has good recovery time which he's always had. He was straight up after Rich Franklin pounded on him too.
The rules clearly state that a fighter must be offering an intelligent defence - he may not have been able to do much, but he could've closed his guard up, tried to hold Tito towards him to stop the strikes, but he didn't. He didn't even try to get his hands in front of his face, he layed there and took five elbows cleanly. It doesn't matter if he was KO'd or hurt or not, the point is he was not defending himself and the ref has to make the call as to whether or not to stop the fight not based on how hurt he is, but if he's defending himself or not. I'd rather see refs err on the side of caution than someone get seriously hurt because they let it go on too long

Tito had his arm hooked inside and he didn't get a chance to do anything, it was four seconds from the first blow to when Tito was pulled off. Ken was never given the chance to respond. Look at Ken when he gets up, he shows no signs that anything Tito landed had any effect.

There's a difference between getting rocked and taking repetitive hits; if you are taking a barrage of hits it becomes hard to respond while the strikes are coming, but if you pause for a second they'll recover. Once you get rocked you'll be fighting the fatigue and disorientation for a while.

[Sever]

Four seconds is more than enough time to at least show you're TRYING to do something. How many seconds does it take to try to close your guard or to try to work your hands in front of your face or try and pull the guy down? Whether he was genuinely hurt or not was irrelevant, what was visible at the time was that his legs were limp and his hands weren't even attempting to block the shots that were landing. To be honest, I'd have been more worried if the ref HADN'T stopped it under those circumstances. You can't just not defend yourself and then expect the ref to go "Oh, he's OK, restart the fight"

[bcullen]

Four seconds is more than enough time to at least show you're TRYING to do something. How many seconds does it take to try to close your guard or to try to work your hands in front of your face or try and pull the guy down? Whether he was genuinely hurt or not was irrelevant, what was visible at the time was that his legs were limp and his hands weren't even attempting to block the shots that were landing. To be honest, I'd have been more worried if the ref HADN'T stopped it under those circumstances. You can't just not defend yourself and then expect the ref to go "Oh, he's OK, restart the fight"

Take a look at the video, Ken was trying to do something and when you take five shots in four seconds it isn't enough time to really do much. Tito's hands are hooked over Ken's, he brings up his elbow and drops it then returns his arm and bodyweight to the begining postition each time which pins Ken's hands underneath him.

[stump]

I really don't know what everyone is pissing on about with this UFC.

Shamrock V Ortiz - Herb Dean was spot on ....Shamrock was not defending himself against some vicious elbows - if he was OK (and it seems to all intents and purposes he was) he should have mounted a defence. He's experienced enough to know that a referee will stop a fight if he's not intelligently defending himself (though can anyone remember the last time Shamrock did something intelligent?).

Arlovski V Sylvia was a pretty good standup fight between two guys who both have KO power - so they were both careful and kept it tight. The dumbest thing in the world would be for either of them to wade in swinging.....I do wonder why Arlovski didn;t want to go to the ground but I assume it's because if he got trapped under Sylvia he'd not be able to get up again....so in effect it would be a risky strategy too. I thought initially it was going to be a quick one but in retrospect this one had slow, technical war of attrition written all over it.

[jsmith]

Guys, if you believe that the referee made bad call that's one thing, but saying stuff like "i paid to see this fight so they should have let the guy get pounded for at least 5 more minutes" sounds wrong. Some fights just end early.Yeah, I wonder how many people would complain if it was two nobody's fighting and the fight ended that way. Does anyone really think the fight would have been that different if it continued?

[Apotheosis]

I really don't know what everyone is pissing on about with this UFC.

Arlovski V Sylvia was a pretty good standup fight between two guys who both have KO power - so they were both careful and kept it tight. The dumbest thing in the world would be for either of them to wade in swinging.....I do wonder why Arlovski didn;t want to go to the ground but I assume it's because if he got trapped under Sylvia he'd not be able to get up again....so in effect it would be a risky strategy too. I thought initially it was going to be a quick one but in retrospect this one had slow, technical war of attrition written all over it.

I agree with your statement about the Ken/Tito fight, while Ken may not have been hurt at all he was getting hit heavily and seemed to be just sitting there.

What if a guy was standing up in a fight with his hands at his sides and just getting pounded?

As for the Syliva vs Arlovski fight, I strongly disagree. Nearly all of the top fighters in mma have knockout power, so that shouldn't make them adjust too much. Neither seemed very aggresive and both seemed happy making it a sub-par boxing match. It may have been more risky to go on the offensive and or take it to the ground, but this is MMA and risk is everywhere. These two did not seem to want to win, or even fight.

Fans have every right to be upset over this fight, as they were paying to see a fight and not a 5 round jab fest where both fighters seemed to be anticipating a decision.

[tkdmusclerock]

There was no way the PPV could live up to the hype. I figure UFC put in their most notoriously conservative ref, Herb Dean, so those two meatheads (Shamrock and Ortiz) wouldn't actually kill each other. IMO it was stopped pretty fast.

Sylvia/Arlovsky was like lousy boxing: two guys playing to not lose. I don't necessarily want to see a bloodbath, but some signs of heart and determination would be nice. I think Arlovsky was never in the fight mentally. The look on his face as they were waiting for the decision said the same thing. Get Arlovsky a tough heavyweight to dismantle before he gets another title shot.

Maybe I'm getting old, but I did like the sportsmanship shown by Sylvia and Arlovsky a lot better than that testosterone festival with Ortiz and Shamrock. Hey, I love trash talk if it's clever, and Ortiz does have his moments, but this was way over the top. Shamrock ended up looking like a fool BEFORE the fight even took place.

BTW, someone needs to slap the cheeseburgers out of Frank Mir's hands. Mix in some cardio, Frank! Heavyweight isn't a licence to turn to blubber. Not in UFC 2006.

[Origami Itto]

Fans have every right to be upset over this fight, as they were paying to see a fight and not a 5 round jab fest where both fighters seemed to be anticipating a decision.

There is the "paying customer" thing again. So if i paid to see Shamrock winning, should i sue them? :confused:

"Ok guys, i want a nice and clean fight, no headbutts, and no knockouts-in-the-first-round nonsense. Tito, we would appreciate it if you lost, more fans support Ken. FIGHT!"

:bang:

After watching the fight (now removed from youtube btw) i can see why people think it was stopped early, and maybe Ken could have reacted a few elbows later, but rules are rules.

[Garibaldi]

There's a difference between getting rocked and taking repetitive hits;
Yes, and the difference is the rules

Getting rocked is not a reason in itself to stop a fight. However, taking repetitive hits and not offering a defence is a valid reason to stop a fight. No one said Shamrock was rocked. The fact of the matter is he took 5 or 6 blows with no attempt to defend. If you watch the vid, he goes very limp on being hit with the first one. I believe Herb Dean reacted to that, allowed a few more shots to see what Ken could do, and as he offered no defence, stepped in to stop it.

Shamrock acted the very same way against Franklin. No defence. He acted the same way against Sakuraba. No defence & even turned away, and he jumped up after that protesting!

No one to blame for that stoppage but Shamrock himself. He is experienced enough to know the score - its not like its not happened before!

The only reason the first fight against Ortiz went so far was because he continually moving and defending.

Either Shamrock has forgotten how to defend or he is taking a few shots each fight for a BIG payday.

p.s the Arlovski v Sylvia fight was the biggest pile of boring UFC stand up only rubbish I've yet seen. Neither deserved to win.

[Slindsay]

I watched Shamrock v Tito and Arlovski v Sylvia on YouTube and have to say that if I had paid to see that I would actually cry. Have to be two of the worst fights ever, Arlovski v Sylvia would have benefited from the rule they have in fencing where you can both be disqualified for not fighting.

The Shamrock fioght was stopped early in my opinion BUT the ref didn't really have a choice in the matter, Ken needed to intelligently defend himself and he just wasn't bothering to, looks like he really didn't care about the fights outcome either way to me, he just wanted the money and when he lost he put on a big show for the crowd to hide just what a piss poor performance it was.

[Devildog2930]

I am sure the most disapointed person on fight night was Tito Ortiz because he couldn't pound Ken longer. Ken shamrock should be glad that the ref stoppped it as he would of ended up in a worse mess than the last time they fought.

[Apotheosis]

There is the "paying customer" thing again. So if i paid to see Shamrock winning, should i sue them? :confused:

"Ok guys, i want a nice and clean fight, no headbutts, and no knockouts-in-the-first-round nonsense. Tito, we would appreciate it if you lost, more fans support Ken. FIGHT!"

:bang:

After watching the fight (now removed from youtube btw) i can see why people think it was stopped early, and maybe Ken could have reacted a few elbows later, but rules are rules.

I agreed with the decision to end the Ken-Tito fight. I am talking about the Syliva-Arlovski fight.

If I pay to watch a fight, I have every right to expect one. It would be like going to an NFL game and watching both teams punt the ball on the first down rather than try to score.

That is why I like Prides rule that allows the ref to take points off a fighters scorecard for not fighting.

[bcullen]

Yes, and the difference is the rules

Getting rocked is not a reason in itself to stop a fight. However, taking repetitive hits and not offering a defence is a valid reason to stop a fight. No one said Shamrock was rocked. The fact of the matter is he took 5 or 6 blows with no attempt to defend. If you watch the vid, he goes very limp on being hit with the first one. I believe Herb Dean reacted to that, allowed a few more shots to see what Ken could do, and as he offered no defence, stepped in to stop it.

Shamrock acted the very same way against Franklin. No defence. He acted the same way against Sakuraba. No defence & even turned away, and he jumped up after that protesting!

No one to blame for that stoppage but Shamrock himself. He is experienced enough to know the score - its not like its not happened before!

The only reason the first fight against Ortiz went so far was because he continually moving and defending.

Either Shamrock has forgotten how to defend or he is taking a few shots each fight for a BIG payday.

p.s the Arlovski v Sylvia fight was the biggest pile of boring UFC stand up only rubbish I've yet seen. Neither deserved to win.

Alright let's try this one more time: Ken has his forearms and elbows under Tito, Tito has his full weight on Ken's arms and he is using his hands to keep Ken, from moving his arms out. Tito rears up lands a blow (still leaving his hands in place) and returns to where he started, he did this five times in four seconds. There was no time and no way for him to do anything, if his arms were free he probably would have covered up.

BTW: I think I may experiment with this tactic in practice sometime, it's rather ingenious. ;)

Stopping a fight is done because the fighter has been knocked senseless (rocked) and is unable to mount a defense. Ken was still very conscious and was just starting to respond when the fight was called; since he couldn't just bring his hands up he started turning to one side so he could get his hands free and cover up. It should have been allowed a few more seconds but more then likely because of the track records of the fighters involved they erred on the side of caution and stopped the fight prematurely.

[Apotheosis]

It doesn't matter WHY you are not defending yourself, just that you are not.

If Tito was preventing him from defending himself, he was still defenseless.

Stopping a fight is done because the fighter is not in a position to defend himself, whether he is knocked out, stupid, or simply doesn't want to. A referee cannot allow a fight to continue if one fighter is just standing there getting smashed in the face regardless of why he is not defending himself.

Lets say a fighter gets his opponent against the fence with his hands trapped between his back and the fence and he is getting hit repeatedly in the face.

Does it matter why the fighter is not defending himself, is the referee supposed to stand there and watch the fighter keep getting hit because he doesn't seem hurt?

[bcullen]

It doesn't matter WHY you are not defending yourself, just that you are not.

If Tito was preventing him from defending himself, he was still defenseless.

Stopping a fight is done because the fighter is not in a position to defend himself, whether he is knocked out, stupid, or simply doesn't want to. A referee cannot allow a fight to continue if one fighter is just standing there getting smashed in the face regardless of why he is not defending himself.

Lets say a fighter gets his opponent against the fence with his hands trapped between his back and the fence and he is getting hit repeatedly in the face.

Does it matter why the fighter is not defending himself, is the referee supposed to stand there and watch the fighter keep getting hit because he doesn't seem hurt?

They stop it if the fighter shows no signs of resisting and continues to take hits; that's the difference. Even if you are pinned and taking hits the fight continues if you are still trying to get out of that position and do something, they'll give you a short time to make something happen before stopping the fight.

[Apotheosis]

And Herb Dean didn't think Shamrock was making an effort to get out of the position.

Ken was basically just sitting there and blocking the elbows with his forehead, he may not have been able to defend himself because his hands were trapped, but he still was unable to defend himself and the ref didn't think he was trying/going to defend himself.

[Garibaldi]

bcullen, I'm not quite sure what your arguement is...what would have happened if Herb Dean had let Ortiz continue to drop elbows on Shamrock? How many should he have allowed before Shamrock offered a defence? 2 more? 10 more? How did he know Shamrock wasn't "rocked" until he stopped it? Watch Shamrocks reaction to the 1st elbow!

If he isn't offering a defence (for whatever reason as Apothesis rightly said) he is still not offering a defence. I've watched the vid countless times and cannot see how you think Shamrock is making any effort to escape or defend. Sure he's moving his head (mostly due to it being smacked around) but how does that constitute an "intelligent defence"?

Personally I think Herb Dean is one of the most astute and aware refs used by the UFC. Look at the crap he took immediately after stopping the Mir v Slyvia fight...who could argue with that decision after watching the slowmo reruns?

He has a decision to make to protect the fighter...he did nothing wrong, ortiz did nothing wrong, shamrock wasn't defending. Simple.

[Agutrot-]

Herb Dean made the right call. Fighter's safety is number one. I guarentee you when a fighter dies in the ocatagon the government is going to be all over MMA.

Arlovski v. Sylvia was kind of how I expected it to go. Theyre both afraid of each others' hands. I would have given the decision to Arlovski. He got in more punches and pressed the action all fight long. Sylvia just blocked and moved, he didn't really put anything out there.

Chuck Liddell vs. Silva? Chuck is easily the most dominant fighter at 205. His game improved tenfold since his losses. For example earlier Chuck lost to Randy Couture, but recently he dominated. You're gonna see the iceman with the belt for a long time.

[Apotheosis]

Only if Silva doesn't fight him, or Shogun for that matter.

Rampage could give him a run for his money as well.

[MMATruthSeeker]

It doesn't matter one bit if Shamrock was "rocked" or not. All UFC Fighters sign a contract with rules. The rules clearly state you must "intelligently defend yourself" at all times or you run the risk of the fight being stopped. The UFC had to incorporate rules like that so they could get sanctioned by State Athletic Commissions and grow the Sport. Shamrock did not defend himself intelligently, the fight was stopped because of it, and Shamrock lost. If Shamrock wants to be pissed off at someone, he should look in the mirror.
It was a good stoppage, all the whining and crying in the world will not change the fact that Shamrock didn't defend himself like he should have.
You may not "like" that rule, but it is what it is.

There is an article in the USA Today about the UFC, first one I've seen. It's in the sports section, check it out.

[Apotheosis]

Yep, and I saw a mention of the UFC in the section of Sports llustrated when they tell you what to watch on tv for the week.

Edit- Just read the article, while it did have some negative comments it was overall a pretty good article that sums the UFC up quite well.

Anyone else wish the UFC was publicly traded? I know I would invest, I see it going nowhere but up.