UFC predictions

[freak]

TUF 3 finale

Sam Stout Vs. Kenny Florian
Michael Bisping Vs. Josh Haynes
Kendall Grove Vs. Ed Herman
Keith Jardine Vs. Wilson Gouveia
Ross Pointon Vs. Rory Singer
Danny Abbadi Vs. Kalib Starnes
Luigi Fioravanti Vs. Solomon Hutcherson
Jesse Forbes Vs. Matt Hamill
Wes Combs Vs. Mike Nickels

Ultimate Fight Night

Chris Leben Vs. Anderson Silva
Rashad Evans Vs. Stephan Bonnar
Jonathan Goulet Vs. Luke Cummo
Jon Fitch Vs. Thiago Alves
Dave Menne Vs. Josh Koscheck
Branden Lee Hinkle Vs. Jason Lambert
Mark Hominick Vs. Jorge Gurgel
Rob MacDonald Vs. Kristian Rothaermel
Justin Levens Vs. Jorge Santiago

UFC 61

Tim Sylvia Vs. Andrei Arlovski
Tito Ortiz Vs. Ken Shamrock
Dan Christison Vs. Frank Mir
Josh Burkman Vs. Josh Neer
Yves Edwards Vs. Joe Stevenson
Hermes Franca Vs. Roger Huerta
Drew Fickett Vs. Kurt Pellegrino
Jeff Monson Vs. Anthony Perosh
Gilbert Aldana Vs. Cheick Kongo

what are your picks?

[Sever]

Sam Stout Vs. Kenny Florian: I'd like to see Stout take it, but it'll probably go to Florian

Michael Bisping Vs. Josh Haynes: This one's Bisping's to lose - he has cleaner standup, KO power and is good on the ground. The only knock on him is that he does sometimes get a little over-eager and gets caught: that'll be a bad move against Josh. I'm picking Bisping by KO. The bookies like Bisping big on this one

Kendall Grove Vs. Ed Herman: Interesting matchup. Kendall's still training at Big Bear with Tito and Team Punishment so his takedown defence should be getting worked quite well. If he can keep it standing, I see him taking it with his reach advantage, if Ed can get the takedown, it's his fight. I'm going to pick Ed, but it should be a great fight

Keith Jardine Vs. Wilson Gouveia: Jardine. This one's set for him to win

Ross Pointon Vs. Rory Singer: I'd love to see Ross win this one, but I think Rory's ground skills will be too much for him

Danny Abbadi Vs. Kalib Starnes: Another fight that's obviously been picked with a winner in mind. Kalib by submission, probably quickly

Jesse Forbes Vs. Matt Hamill: Matt's also training with Team Punishment right now, so he's going to go in well prepared. He's got a lot of natural ability, but he really doesn't like getting hit which could make it interesting. I see Matt taking it by GnP decision

Wes Combs Vs. Mike Nickels: Nickels will need to get this to the ground FAST - especially if his striking's still as crappy as it was during filming. Combs brings a 12-0 record, nine of which coming by T/KO. He's also got two wins by submission. I reckon Combs will take this

UFN:

Chris Leben Vs. Anderson Silva: We could be talking UFC fight of the year here - say what you will about Leben, but he's always exciting, especially if his opponent wants to stand and Silva is one of the best strikers at 185. I see Silva outstriking Leben, but Leben's chin and power could make this a real war. Probably Silva by decision. Rogan will say "Chris Leben has a head like a fire hydrant" at least once

Rashad Evans Vs. Stephan Bonnar: Does ANYONE actually want to watch Evans fight? I really hope Bonnar takes it, but Evans will almost certainly make it boring

Jonathan Goulet Vs. Luke Cummo: could go either way - Goulet's pretty well rounded, but he's coming off a loss. Again, it's a fight I'll admit to not really caring about

Dave Menne Vs. Josh Koscheck: Koscheck by blanket

Branden Lee Hinkle Vs. Jason Lambert: Should be an interesting fight. Hinkle's got a fan for life in me after messing up Gannon, but he's got some holes in his game, particularly in the conditioning department and he's been submitted in the past, where Lambert's pretty well rounded. I'm going with Hinkle, but it could go either way

Mark Hominick Vs. Jorge Gurgel: Gurgel SHOULD take this, but he needs to fight smart - if he even vaguely entertains the idea of standing up with Homnick, he's having an early night, if he can get it to the ground, he should be able to sub him pretty handily

Rob MacDonald Vs. Kristian Rothaermel: Kristian's got a lot of ability, particularly in the wrestling department, but his conditioning seems to be suspect. He'll probably take it though

UFC 61

Tim Sylvia Vs. Andrei Arlovski: Andrei's taking that belt away from Sylvia this time, he just needs to keep his hands up when he drops Sylvia again. Arlovski beating Sylvia will be great because then we won't have to see Sylvia wearing that bloody belt EVERYWHERE including when he's cornering Militech fighters at other events :bang:

Tito Ortiz Vs. Ken Shamrock: Ortiz in exactly the same way as last time

Dan Christison Vs. Frank Mir: this is a good test for Mir to see where he is right now. Dan's very big and very strong though, which will make things pretty difficult for Mir to move him around, especially if A) the leg's still not at full strength and B) his god-awful cardio hasn't improved. Christison's got pretty solid ground skills so we won't see a 30second sub by Mir this time. If Mir's in shape, I think he'll win, but if he's still not ready, we could see a pretty nasty beating for him

Yves Edwards Vs. Joe Stevenson: I hope Yves wins this and I think he should if he doesn't get silly. Stevenson's going to be cutting quite a bit of weight to make 155 and that could be a factor. If Yves can stop the takedown, it's his fight to lose, but that's a pretty big "If"

Hermes Franca Vs. Roger Huerta: this should be a great fight. Franca is one of my favourite 155lb fighters and Huerta impressed me in the fight of his I saw as well. My gut says Franca, but I won't be shocked if Huerta takes it

Jeff Monson Vs. Anthony Perosh: They're obviously keeping Monson busy while they wait to see what happens with the main event since he's the nearest thing to a number one contender in the heavyweight division. Monson should take this quite handily

[Blevunly]

Stout vs florian: hopefully Stout can take this one

Bisping vs Haynes: I'd say Bisping by first round knockout

Grove vs Herman: I would say Grove by decision he is tall has good strikes he stops takedowns pretty well and I haven't been that impressed with Ed I wouldn't be surprised to see kendall reverse the ground if it goes there

Jardine vs Gouveia: I would say Jardine by decision

Pointon vs Singer: probably Pointon by knockout

Abbadi vs Starnes: easy first round submission for Starnes

Forbes vs Hamill: battle of the wrestlers I would say Hamill by decision

Combs vs Nickels: is an easy knockout for combs nickels is one of the worst strikers I've ever seen

UFN

Leben vs Silva: Leben by decision I think his chin will hold up and make up for his lack of technique compared to silva and he will probably score some takedowns and GNP to secure the decision

Evans vs Bonnar: Evans by decision I can see Evans outboxing Bonnar scoring takedowns and commencing in some very horrible gnp that secures him the decision (and Sever to answer your question I want to see Evans fight i think he's exciting on his fight on the ground he's not bad assuming he doesnt lay in guard with hardley any punches like with Hogar)

Goulet vs Cummo: Cummo by (T)KO every single loss on Goulet's record is by (T)KO and I think Cummo can add another

Menne vs Koscheck: Koscheck by decision

Hinkle vs Lambert: Lambert by submission

Hominick vs Gurgel: Gurgel by Submission

MacDonald vs Rothaermel: Routhaermel by Decision

UFC:61

Arlovski vs Sylvia: first round knockout for Andrei should've happened last time but he got over anxious

Ortiz vs Shamrock: Ortiz tko round 2

Christison vs Mir: Mir by submission

Neer vs Burkman: Neer by submission

Edwards vs Stevenson: Edwards by (T)KO most likely in the first round

Franca vs Huerta: Huerta by decision

Monson vs Perosh: Monson by submission

[Apotheosis]

TUF 3 finale

Sam Stout Vs. Kenny Florian- Florian, although I have doubts.
Michael Bisping Vs. Josh Haynes- Bisping is going to destroy Josh, he took a couple of big punches from Ross and managed to keep coming. I don't see Josh having a chance in this one.
Kendall Grove Vs. Ed Herman- Kendall, he has beaten opponents who were better than Ed, mainly Kaleb. Kaleb's ground game is better than Ed, and Kendall managed to do alright against it. I see Kendall winning by TKO or decision
Keith Jardine Vs. Wilson Gouveia- Jardine
Ross Pointon Vs. Rory Singer- Ross, Rory does have a better ground game bit Ross has a lot of power. I don't think Rory will be able to take a few hits and survive.
Danny Abbadi Vs. Kalib Starnes- Kaleb by murder, Danny needs some health insurance
Luigi Fioravanti Vs. Solomon Hutcherson-No idea
Jesse Forbes Vs. Matt Hamill- Two wrestlers, so the best wrestler should win right? I feel stupid picking Matt after his performance, but it's what I am going to do. Hope he comes to fight.
Wes Combs Vs. Mike Nickels- Combs by knockout

Ultimate Fight Night

Chris Leben Vs. Anderson Silva- Silva, Leben does have a hard head but I think Silva will be too much.
Rashad Evans Vs. Stephan Bonnar- I thought I saw them fight already, must be imagining some things. I will go with Stephan by decision.
Jonathan Goulet Vs. Luke Cummo- The Ninja, been wondering what happened to him.
Jon Fitch Vs. Thiago Alves- Dunno
Dave Menne Vs. Josh Koscheck- Koscheck, although i admit I don't know enough to say for sure.
Branden Lee Hinkle Vs. Jason Lambert- Hinkle
Mark Hominick Vs. Jorge Gurgel- Jorge
Rob MacDonald Vs. Kristian Rothaermel- I thought Kristian wasn't on the card? I will go with Rob since I don't think Kristian really wants it.
Justin Levens Vs. Jorge Santiago- Jorge?

UFC 61

Tim Sylvia Vs. Andrei Arlovski- I want to say Arlovski again, but Sylvia has made a habit out of proving me wrong so I don't know.
Tito Ortiz Vs. Ken Shamrock- Tito will destroy him unless something unforseeable happens.
Dan Christison Vs. Frank Mir- Dan
Josh Burkman Vs. Josh Neer-Burkman, random pick.
Yves Edwards Vs. Joe Stevenson- Yves
Hermes Franca Vs. Roger Huerta- No idea, how about Franca
Drew Fickett Vs. Kurt Pellegrino- Fickett
Jeff Monson Vs. Anthony Perosh- Monson
Gilbert Aldana Vs. Cheick Kongo- ?

[freak]

Danny Abbadi Vs. Kalib Starnes- Kaleb by murder, Danny needs some health insurance

lmao, danny is gunna get owened

[Apotheosis]

So far so good

Picked Kendall, Jardine, Florian, Bisping and Matt. Havn't seen the other fights, but so far so good.

Perhaps the best TUF Finale yet.

[freak]

so far i am 4-1, i picked ed, they should have the other fight results posted by tomorrow

[Sever]

-Mike Nickels def. Wes Combs by submission (rear naked choke) at 3:20 of Round 1

-Matt Hamill def. Jesse Forbes by TKO (referee stoppage) at 4:47 of Round 1

-Luigi Fioravanti def. Solomon Hutcherson by KO at 4:15 of Round 1

-Kalib Starnes def. Danny Abbadi by submission (rear naked choke) at 2:56 of Round 1

-Rory Singer def. Ross Pointon by submission (triangle choke) at 0:44 of Round 1
The play by plays say Ross SO nearly had this one - he'd dropped Rory with a big left, went down to finish him off and Rory slapped on the triangle

[freak]

7-2 after the TUF finale, not to shabby

[Apotheosis]

Anyone have a video of the undercard fights?

Have yet to see the Pointon fight, but like Sever said it appears he nearly had it. That guy NEEDS to practice some grappling.I really love watching this guy fight, but he keeps losing.

[freak]

wow...i went 4-4 on the UFN predictions, not that good...so far out of the from the two events i am 11-6

[duderanch182]

my predictions on ufc 61 on who will win

Andre Arlovski
Tito Ortiz
Frank Mir
Josh Burkman
Joe Stevenson
Roger Huerta
Kurt Pellegrino
Anthony Perosh
Cheick Kongo

[TheMightyMcClaw]

I just really want this whole Ortiz/Shamrock 'rivalry' out of the media. It's rediculous, and it takes away from the dignity of the sport.

[tre]

This is going to be an awesome fight on July 8th. The cards are indeed horribly good quality! Kudos to Tito and Tim!

Hope everybody has a safe and happy 4th of July!

[Sever]

Here are the UFC61 odds from BetEagle (http://www.beteagle.com/):

Tito Ortiz -500
Ken Shamrock +375
Don't put any money on Tito, it's a waste of effort - he's going to ruin Shamrock, everyone knows it, and the odds reflect that. A win for Tito will make you next to no money. I'm gonna lay £10 on Shammy just in case - if he does somehow pull it out, I'm hitting paydirt :D

Andrei Arlovski -280
Tim Sylvia +220
Interesting that Arlovski's quite a handy favourite considering Sylvia just knocked him out. I'm still going with The Pitbull here

Frank Mir -280
Dan Christison +220
No real surprise here, on paper, Mir's got everything he needs to win this. His only falling point could be that leg maybe still not being up to the job and his cardio is always suspect

Josh Burkman -115
Josh Neer -115D
Dead even

Yves Edwards -275
Joe Stevenson +215
Yves is the favourite here, I'm really hoping to see him take it

Drew Fickett -160
Kurt Pellegrino +130
Close. I'm picking Fickett

Jeff Monson -800
Anthony Perosh +500
I had to check to see these odds were right! Monson is a HUGE favourite here and Perosh has obviously been brought in to keep Monson's name out there for his heavyweight title shot if Arlovski wins

Cheick Kongo -125
Gilbert Aldana -115
Close again. I've never seen either of these heavyweights fight so I'm just going to go with the favourite on this one.

[stump]

Arlovski vs Sylvia - Arlovski by Round 1 KO

Tito Ortiz, vs Ken Shamrock - Ortiz...TKO Rd 2 - Maybe Shamrock will finally go away after this......

Josh Burkman vs Josh Neer - Will be close....Burkman by Decision

Dan Christison vs Frank Mir - Could be wrong on this one but Mir came back too early last time, doesn't make him a bad fighter....Mir by Submission

Joe Stevenson vs Yves Edwards...this is make or break for Stevenson but I don;t think he has what it takes to beat Yves - Edwards by KO

Joe Jordan vs Hermes Franca, Franca by Submission

Anthony Perosh vs Jeff Monson - Monson by Decision

Cheick Kongo vs Gilbert Aldana - could go either way....Kongo by KO

Kurt Pellegrino vs Drew Fickett - Frickett by decision

[MagikMike05]

I know Tito is going to pound Ken, but I really want Ken to win. I dont know why, I just dont like Tito at all.

[Sever]

Results of the weigh ins:

Tim Sylvia (258.5) vs. Andrei Arlovski (234). Arlovski's sporting a seriously thick beard, possibly hoping it'll cushion anything that hits his chin. Sylvia's looking a little skinny
Tito Ortiz (206) vs. Ken Shamrock (206): Tito's already starting the mind games here, I think. NSAC regulations allow fighters to be one pound over the weight limit, but when Shamrock weighed in at 206, Tito threw a fit, saying they should both have to make 205. Tito then proceeded to weigh in at 206.5. After removing his clothes, he still didn't make weight and was given a few hours to weigh in under 206 - he came back 15mins later and made 206. Tito has never in his life not made weight, which leads me to think this is Tito messing with Ken's head, making him think he's not taken his training seriously enough
Frank Mir (262) vs. Dan Christison (264.5): Mir's still carrying a lot more muscle than he did before the accident, which I think is a bad plan - the guy's cardio's dodgy enough, all that extra size will just suck up all his oxygen and could well cause him to gas
Yves Edwards (154.5) vs. Joe Stevenson (155): Yves actually weighed in eating a chocolate bar. After he weighed in, he gave one to Stevenson! Should be a pretty good fight, they both look ready to go
Josh Burkman (169) vs. Josh Neer (170)
Jeff Monson (236) vs. Anthony Perosh (224)
Hermes Franca (158.5) vs. Joe Jordan (164): this is now a welterweight fight since Franca's original opponent Roger Huerta pulled out earlier in the week due to injury and Jordan has taken the fight on short notice, not really getting time to cut the weight
Drew Fickett (171) vs. Kurt Pellegrino (168.5)
Gilbert Aldana (251) vs. Cheick Kongo (229)

[Apotheosis]

I love how Tito just has fun all of the time, he really enjoys training and fightign and the mind games which is great.

Yves sounds hilarious, what kind of chocolate bar was it? A snickers?

To bad about the Franca fight but hopefully it turns out good.

As far as Mir goes, I guess we will have to wait and see. Hopefully he is smart enough to increase his cardio along with his muscle.

[Sever]

Results:

Drew Fickett defeats Kurt Pellegrino by submission (rear naked choke) at 1:20 of Round 3

Cheick Kongo defeats Gilbert Aldana by TKO (doctor stoppage) at 4:13 of Round 1. This was stopped because of a cut caused by elbows

Jeff Monson defeats Anthony Perosh by TKO (referee stoppage) at 2:22 of Round 1

Hermes Franca defeats Joe Jordan by submission (triangle choke) at 0:47 of Round 3 - flashest triangle ever - Franca sunk it from the mount then rolled over with it!

Joe Stevenson defeated Yves Edwards by TKO (doctor stoppage) at 5:00 of Round 2. Stevenson landed some elbows from Yves guard that opened a huge cut. The doctor checked it and let the fight continue in the 2nd round, but stopped it as the second round ended. That was two good fights that were cut short because of cuts caused by elbows :mad:

Frank Mir defeated Dan Christison by unanimous decision: I was wrong - Mir's extra weight isn't muscle, most of it seems to be fat. His cardio was just as bad as usual and Christison nearly took him with an armbar. Mir's REALLY got to sort himself out, if he fights anyone in the top 20, he's going to get hurt badly

Tito Ortiz defeated Ken Shamrock by TKO (referee stoppage) at 1:18 of Round 1 - it could be argued that this one was stopped early (Shamrock's certainly saying that), but if you watch the replays, Ken really wasn't defending himself. He'd gone limp. Chaos erupted after the fight was stopped

Josh Burkman defeated Josh Neer by unanimous decision. Possibly fight of the night

Tim Sylvia defeated Andrei Arlovski by unanimous decision (judges' scores were 48-47, 48-47, and 49-46) - Grrrrrrrrrr..... This fight sucked. Personally, I think Arlovski squeaked it, since I gave him the first 3 rounds but both guys fought not to lose rather than trying to win. Arlovski was way too cautious and didn't want to step inside, which meant he couldn't land much in the way of big shots, and Tim just counter punched his way to a decision. Arlovski's really got to ditch his team and go train with a better camp - his corner were completely silent throughout the whole fight. Total suckfest

[Apotheosis]

So was the event as a whole as bad as people say?

Everyone seems to be talking about it being the worst event in recent history, so is it?

[Sever]

It did royally suck. Not sure about it being the worst in recent history, but it was on a par with a few other crappy ones

[Apotheosis]

Glad I didn't shell out the money.

[TKDjoe]

It wasn't a good show at all, they are going to have to do something to make things better or the popularity is going to go down fast. I bought it and was very dissappointed. I won't buy another. I like to watch Pride much better.

[Snake+CQC]

I'm just glad I got to see the Tito Ortiz vs Shamrock match. I was looking forward to that happening to Shamrock! (My friend payed for the match)

[stump]

It wasn't a good show at all, they are going to have to do something to make things better or the popularity is going to go down fast. I bought it and was very dissappointed. I won't buy another. I like to watch Pride much better.

If you want guarenteed entertainment maybe WWE is more your thing? Overall the UFC matches are pretty decent - sometimes they don't come up to scratch...no need to get menstrual over it. Thats combat sports for you.

[Ular Sawa]

Sylvia v. Arlovski reminded me of five rounds of sparring. Ortiz v. Shamrock was surprising only in the duration. It did give us a chance to see Burkman .v Neer which was a pretty good fight. That Josh Neer is very tough and I'll be surprised when he actually loses by KO.

[Sever]

If you want guarenteed entertainment maybe WWE is more your thing? Overall the UFC matches are pretty decent - sometimes they don't come up to scratch...no need to get menstrual over it. Thats combat sports for you.Exactly
All the UFC did was make the matches and on paper, most of them should've been really good. It's down to the fighters and their circumstances at the end of the day. That said, I really wish the UFC would put Mike Goldberg out to pasture (and by "pasture" I mean the middle of a volcano) - his clueless commentary is driving me nuts

[stump]

BTW - don't think the show has been on UK TV yet - if that's the case can we keep the spoilers out of here (and the emails to people subscribing to the thread)?

[Ular Sawa]

Exactly
All the UFC did was make the matches and on paper, most of them should've been really good. It's down to the fighters and their circumstances at the end of the day. That said, I really wish the UFC would put Mike Goldberg out to pasture (and by "pasture" I mean the middle of a volcano) - his clueless commentary is driving me nuts

However, I was struck by the absence of Joe Rogan this time :D .....

[Apotheosis]

However, I was struck by the absence of Joe Rogan this time :D .....

Pretty sure it was because of a comedy special, not because he got canned or anything.

[Wolf]

I will say this...I'm REALLY excited at the prospect of Chuck Lidell vs. Vanderlei Silva in November. I just hope Chuck beats Babalu in August so the fight happens in november.

[Apotheosis]

As Sever and I discussed, its kind of doubtful it will happen.

UFC is unlikely to give Pride any publicity in the U.S

Chuck still has Babalu while Silva has cro-cop/Nog/Barnett and possibly 2 of them in and then possibly fedor.

In addition Pride is making its US debut near the same time so why lose out on one of their fighters(although they may not have a choice).

The whole thing reeks of publicity stunt, but I too home the improbable becomes reality.