real training

[L0ST 5OUL]

anyone know where the real training goes on? i am so sick of the one hour a day training and insane costs. isn't there any school out there where the training is 24/7 and you live there and the costs are bare mininum because the teachers actually want to teach those who seek it? location is not a matter. i'de go anywhere. the only school i have found close to what i am looking for is the "northern china shao lin martial arts academy" (www.shaolins.com) in Ye He Ancient Castle, Ji Lin Province, northern China near siping city. but it's is too expensive. money blows, isn't there a teacher who will teach because of a person's desire and not by how much money he has in his wallet?

be strong those of us who are poor, for the rich may be rich with material but they are poor in spirit while we are full of it.

peace

[Sub zero]

If ur looking to go abroad, ans actualy live abroad to train theres alwasy the shaolin temple.Altho it's quetionable how much of what they teach there is actualy what the shaolin moks origianlly praticed.As it is a devise of the communist overnment for money through tourism.That's not to say there training isn't stupidly hard and effective.I think it's about about £200 to rain there for a year whihc i thnk includes food and accomadation.But that's taught on alrge scale.

Similarly there is the wudan schools which cost roughly the same.I don't know much about their validty or training methods.fpr about the sme price.

As for INTENSIVLY hard training (I don't know about shaolin etc but i do knok more about this place.)TRy to fnd a site for he Honbu i Tokyo.They do a one year course in yoshikan aikido for 5 hours a day trainign (plus extra maintance tasks), 5 dasy a week (but u can train six days if u wish).This is a hard course and only gor teh serious martial artist.
It is used to train the tokyo riot police.At the end u aquire a black bekt in yoshikan aikido,and instructors liscence and alot of injurys. :)

I know ther big weel known, world known places but just thought i'd sugest them.

[Sub zero]

Actualy i think it's aolt more than 5 hours a day.Not sure.

[YODA]

Sounds like you need to get a life mate. There are WAY more important things in life than spending 24/7 learning martial arts.

[L0ST 5OUL]

martial arts is a way to life. i do not expect you to understand that, or what the real important things in life are mate.

[L0ST 5OUL]

thanks 4 the reply sub zero!

[Sub zero]

Thanks.
I would tend to agree with yoda tho.
If ur gona study full time only do it for a few a years at most.Then u can continue with a more normal training schedule.
Martial arts are great but there are more important things in life that people should experience.I guess most MA masters would agree.

I personally wouldn't ever train full time unless for a very short time (eg week long seminar)

If u r deadly serious then go for.But not for the whole of ur life.That would be considered by many as wasting it (including me).

[L0ST 5OUL]

i understand but im still looking, so if anyone knows of any please let me know.

[RobP]

So while you are getting your free training from the teacher how is he supposed to earn the money to support his family?

If you want 24/7 training in how to fight for free, join the army.

[YODA]

Originally posted by L0ST 5OUL
martial arts is a way to life. i do not expect you to understand that, or what the real important things in life are mate.


I understand more than you realise my friend.

I guess some lessons are best learned.

Enjoy :D

[L0ST 5OUL]

never said free lessons Robp, just something reasonable

[cal_JJJ]

L0ST 5OUL; The only thing I can offer is to try seaching "uchi deshi" programs. Might not be exactly what you are after but its the closest thing that I know of other than getting together w/ fellow students every chance that I get.

Take Care
DavidM

[CKava]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Sub zero

As for INTENSIVLY hard training (I don't know about shaolin etc but i do knok more about this place.)TRy to fnd a site for he Honbu i Tokyo.They do a one year course in yoshikan aikido for 5 hours a day trainign (plus extra maintance tasks), 5 dasy a week (but u can train six days if u wish).This is a hard course and only for the serious martial artist.

I've heard about the school Sub Zero mentions as well, there's a book written about it by a guy who took the year course- Robert Twigger called "Angry White Pyjama's" if you are seriously considering doing severe training it gives a pretty good description of what (in this style of Aikido at least) is involved and its also worth reading anyhow because its a good book.

But if your going to move somewhere to just study martial arts its going to be very expensive anyway you look at it; you don't get paid for learning martial arts and I for one don't know of anywhere where you could be taught and just pay for your accomodation. Even that guy Twigger taught English in a Japanese school and he could barely afford to stay. Plus you've all the hassles of VISA's; most countries wont be too generous to give a travelling martial artist a free greencard or whatever. I guess what Im getting at is would it not be easier to attend a school near where you live and if your that dedicated to training, train on your own or with willing partners? Every martial art I know has forms and kata's that they say you can spend years doing and still not get right...

[Sub zero]

Probabaly a better course of action.I've been told that angry white pyjamas doesn't mention some very tough parts of the training by someone wh went through it.

[gojuman]

Here is an old Zen story that might offer some perspective.

A martial arts student went to his teacher and said earnestly, "I am devoted to studying your martial system. How long will it take me to master it." The teacher's reply was casual, "Ten years." Impatiently, the student answered, "But I want to master it faster than that. I will work very hard. I will practice everyday, ten or more hours a day if I have to. How long will it take then?" The teacher thought for a moment, "20 years."

[CKava]

Originally posted by Sub zero
Probabaly a better course of action.I've been told that angry white pyjamas doesn't mention some very tough parts of the training by someone wh went through it.

You could well be right Sub Zero but it sounds tough enough in the book even without these extra very tough parts! :eek:

[cal_JJJ]

Gojuman;

I've herd that story as well, but w/ two additional lines.

....... The student asks, "how can it take longer if I work harder to learn it faster?" The master replies, " the more attention you focus on the goal the less you have for training."

Or something like that. :)

[Andy Murray]

Originally posted by cal_JJJ
Gojuman;

I've herd that story as well, but w/ two additional lines.

....... The student asks, "how can it take longer if I work harder to learn it faster?" The master replies, " the more attention you focus on the goal the less you have for training."

Or something like that. :)

I think it's better without the punchline Cal.

Explain the story and people don't read it, they skip to the end. ;)

[Sub zero]

That stories on the inisde of my jj liscence.Buy that master replies something like "If u have your eye on the goal and not the p[ath infron tof you, then you shall shurly trip and fall."

[Jeff Burger]

The Shaolin Monks are fake.

I help people go to China to train.

Jeff

[Kof_Andy]

Is really hard to get that kind of training. Unless you find a real master thats willing to accept you as a pupil, and not as a paying student. What I recommend is find a decent master out there, and start bonding with them. Then perhaps he will take you in like a son, and start teaching you 100% to pass on his knowledge. Teacher student relation is really important, and often students are wondering why there not being taugh anything from there master. :D Anyway back to your shaolin question, it is pretty dam hard for a foreigner to learn real shaolin kung fu. One for all shaolin monk dont speak english, or dont speak well enough for you to understand fully. Those that do speak english well, are shaolin businessman. They go and learn english, and teach you a form of modified shaolin fist. So I wouldnt bother to look into that unless you can speak mandarian.

[Jeff Burger]

The monks are fake.


Jeff

[Andy Murray]

Originally posted by Jeff Burger
The monks are fake.


Jeff

Fake what Jeff?

[Sub zero]

Originally posted by Jeff Burger
The monks are fake.


Jeff


I think that what they teach is only a shadow ofwhat shaolin use to be about.
But i thnk there moves are still effective and good for health aswell.

[Jeff Burger]

They are just fake plain and simple...they are not monks.

They are just Kung Fu / Wushu guys paid to play the role.

Jeff

[YODA]

Originally posted by Jeff Burger
They are just fake plain and simple...they are not monks.

They are just Kung Fu / Wushu guys paid to play the role.

Jeff

Get's MY vote.

They are VERY skillful.

They are good athletes.

That's where I stop though.

[cioGium]

If you want no ballsh@t trainig at a reasonoble price you should check http://www.lannamuaythai.com/ .It is a muay-thay camp in Thailand where you can train 8 h- very demanding 8 h as i fould out. You can also seek for a job there so you can support yourself while training. I will go there next summer for 3 months. Hope to meet you there!

p.s. if you are really interested you should check this site too www.muaythayland.com - it is a site with lots of useful information about the camp.

p.p.s. i hope the moderators won't think i'm advertising because i am not.

[Jeff Burger]

I can help anyone go to Thailand to train at either he World Muay Thai Council headquarters in Patumthani (very near aiport) or with Sangtien Noi (trained several champions including Australia's John Wayne Parr)


Jeff

[L0ST 5OUL]

looks like i have a lot more research to do...thanks for the replies! they were helpful.

[atlien]

Originally posted by YODA
Sounds like you need to get a life mate. There are WAY more important things in life than spending 24/7 learning martial arts.

YODA, YOU HAVE MORE THAN 6000 POSTS ON THIS FORUM. YOU ARE THE ONE THAT NEEDS TO GET A LIFE!

[tai-gip]

yes Jeff the ones we see are fake but there are real ones

the best training is done anywhere with the right mental outlook you get out what you put in and no one can blame the school they attend for there level of skill

And as Andy said you would have to be lucky enough to find an instructor willing to have you as a puple otherwise its all pretty much the same hence my previous comment about mental outlook if you want more you will get more as the saying goes when the student is ready the teacher will appear:)

[Saz]

Originally posted by atlien
YODA, YOU HAVE MORE THAN 6000 POSTS ON THIS FORUM. YOU ARE THE ONE THAT NEEDS TO GET A LIFE!

And most of those posts were spent verbally slapping people who type in all caps and insult him.

[LilBunnyRabbit]

isn't there a teacher who will teach because of a person's desire and not by how much money he has in his wallet?

Nah, they all starved years ago.


be strong those of us who are poor, for the rich may be rich with material but they are poor in spirit while we are full of it.

Yep, have to agree. You are most definitely full of it.


martial arts is a way to life. i do not expect you to understand that, or what the real important things in life are mate

Love, freedom, truth, justice and the American way?


If you want 24/7 training in how to fight for free, join the army.

Not quite the same thing as learning what we'd call martial arts, but at least you get paid for it.


The student asks, "how can it take longer if I work harder to learn it faster?" The master replies, " the more attention you focus on the goal the less you have for training."

Cool, so by ignoring the goal completely I can learn faster than anyone?

[atlien]

Originally posted by Kgirl
And most of those posts were spent verbally slapping people who type in all caps and insult him.

Well, if he is gonna dish it then he better to be able to take it.