A Lock

[KungFuGrrrl]

Hi,

well I think I found a unique weapon. Yesterday I went to pay a bill at a storage facility......9:30 am

The girl working was very small and about 20 yrs old..... we were doing business when this large man (about 6'0 240 lbs) very sturdy looking a bit of a belly, but neck like a pit bull......

Started yelling at her through the employee door (glass door) she told him she cant open that door....he began hitting the glass with both arms like trying to break it..... and calling her Bi***

So.... He came to the front counter.....screaming and telling her she needs to go out back and look at his lock on his storage door. I told her do NOT go back there.... (a woman was recently gang raped and beat with teeth knocked out at one of these places, it was on the news).........

I hvnt been able to practise as just recovered from 2 surgeries and was frightened , called my boyfriend who could hear the man screaming and threatenening to knock her teeth out.... boyfriend said "DONT FORGET YOUR KUNG FU!" but this guy is HUGE...... "GET INTO YOUR MARTIAL ART MODE NOW"

so I took off my shoes rolled up my jeans pant legs..... all the while the bad guy is about to jump over the counter slamming his forearms on it each time getting closer.......the girl FINALLY called the cops which really upset him......

Meanwhile he is paying NO attention to me which was good..... so I started looking at LOCKS...... picked one up and opend the package.... I went behind the counter with the girl.... (the guys focus still on her)

I knew it would be only me and him as she was very shaken and a girly girl ....

I opened the lock and turned the loop part around so it fit over my knuckles and the base of the lock in my hand and i held on tight!

The plan was for me to wait till he was coming over the counter and BLAM! crack him in the jaw over and over and over ........

Luckily he left after the cops were on their way......

I stayed withher for a while....... What do you think about my idea? keep in mind I didnt have much time to analyze the situation........

and my Mandarin class Tuesday we went over KF moves and the guys were talking about if a guy has strong neck muscles dont go for the neck and I was afraid to go for the throat in case I missed!..........

What a WILD morning for me yesterday!

Give me feedback!

have to edit here...... I intended to use the lock in a hammerhand strike, not as brass knuckles..... I put the loop over my knuckles to help hold in place and so it would not drop out of my hand easily.
THANK YOU GUYS!

KFG

[KageAkuma]

Well, first thing you should've done was called the cops. Not your boyfriend.

Overall I think the lock idea was good, but you would've killed your hands if you had actually used it.

Personally if I was in that situation and forced to defend myself, I'd look for any advantage. I don't think I would've done that with the lock though, because I'd be afraid of screwing up my hand. Instead, I would've gone with soft tissue striking. Even though he's big, you can't develop muscles in the eyes. Or his nuts.

So, what would I have done? Grabbed that lock, chucked it at his face and hoped to god I hit him, and then gone in with soft tissue striking.

Overall good work though.

[Anth]

Give me feedback! Ok then - its an improvised knuckleduster, and depending on the local law an improvised version of an illegal weapon may be as bad as using the actual one (knuckledusters are illegal in the UK, dunno about LA).

Advice - its always good to get to the point quickly in this forum ;)

[KickChick]

Advice - its always good to get to the point quickly in this forum ;)


well, that certainly depends ;)

I moved this thread over to the WSD forum because I believe although you question the validity of a lock being a weapon, your account (with plenty of details ;) ) ... may help women (& girly girls) in a similar situation :)

[Moosey]

I would hazard a guess that the law would be on your side if you grab a nearby object to slug some idiot who's threatening a small girl.

You weren't carrying an item with the intent of using it as a weapon and the circumstances gave you genuine cause to believe the girl's safety was being compromised.

[Yohan]

I think the best way to use a lock as a weapon would be to tie it to the end of a rope or drop it into a sock.

[KungFuGrrrl]

I think the best way to use a lock as a weapon would be to tie it to the end of a rope or drop it into a sock.

UHHHH didnt have time to locate a rope and did not have socks on and that would have drawn his attention to me.
It was also a VERY closed in area..(enough room for maybe 3 peopl in entire *office* except behind the counter where I quickly moved....

..I am afraid that if I swung a lock on a rope or in a sock he could have caught it or blocked it ... do you think so?

I was trying to be inconspicuous....... as he was yelling about knocking her teeth out and meant it. and was angry because she would not stop working with me to handle his *problem*

Thanks for the input.

KFG

[philp]

You probably wouldn't have done much except broken your fingers like that, a key between your two striking fingers in a fist would be a better option. Throwing the lock hard at his face would do the trick ;)

Well done for thinking on your feet though. Glad it turned out OK.

[KungFuGrrrl]

Well, first thing you should've done was called the cops. Not your boyfriend.

Overall I think the lock idea was good, but you would've killed your hands if you had actually used it.

Personally if I was in that situation and forced to defend myself, I'd look for any advantage. I don't think I would've done that with the lock though, because I'd be afraid of screwing up my hand. Instead, I would've gone with soft tissue striking. Even though he's big, you can't develop muscles in the eyes. Or his nuts.

So, what would I have done? Grabbed that lock, chucked it at his face and hoped to god I hit him, and then gone in with soft tissue striking.

Overall good work though.

I didnt clarify my intent which was to hit him with the base of the lock not the knuckles...... I was holding it in my hand to use like a hammerhand strike.

I did not call the cops as that would have put his attn on me, she was supposed to call them (and did)and I had never been to that place before so didnt know the address...cops like the address &description...... was doing favor for bf by paying a bill.......

If the guys attn was on me, then I lose the element of surprise.

[KungFuGrrrl]

You probably wouldn't have done much except broken your fingers like that, a key between your two striking fingers in a fist would be a better option. Throwing the lock hard at his face would do the trick ;)

Well done for thinking on your feet though. Glad it turned out OK.

thanks, sorry didnt clarify:

ws planning to use lock in a hammerhand strike not a s brass knuckles.....put the loop over knuckles to hold lock in place.

[KungFuGrrrl]

thanks, sorry didnt clarify:

ws planning to use lock in a hammerhand strike not a s brass knuckles.....put the loop over knuckles to hold lock in place.


Oh, what about if I threw the weaopn then I have no weapon! and he does.. (not that he needed it) but I certainly could not have taken him without some type of weapon and the element of surprise. I dunno, just really like getting feedback THANKS!

[Yohan]

I think what you did would have worked well if you had had to start swinging.

I think it's possible he could catch a lock in a sock, but he probably wouldn't realize what he was facing untill you hit him in the face with it. Plus, if he caught the lock, you could just kick him in the jimmy as soon as the lock hits his hand. It would hurt like a mofo to catch a lock in a sock.

[narcsarge]

UHHHH didnt have time to locate a rope and did not have socks on and that would have drawn his attention to me.
It was also a VERY closed in area..(enough room for maybe 3 peopl in entire *office* except behind the counter where I quickly moved....

..I am afraid that if I swung a lock on a rope or in a sock he could have caught it or blocked it ... do you think so?

I was trying to be inconspicuous....... as he was yelling about knocking her teeth out and meant it. and was angry because she would not stop working with me to handle his *problem*

Thanks for the input.

KFG

First off I want to say way to keep your head! Those who think in critical situations usually come out ahead. The lock idea was wonderful. Maybe a punch would have ended with a broken finger. An open handed slap may have had the same result. Doesn't matter. What matters is you kept your head, did not escalate a situation, just stepped in to protect someone else. I agree that a call to the police would have been a good choice but the call to your b/f did get your head into combat mode. Good job and way to go! Study what you could have done differently and this is a great forum to ask that question! :D

[philp]

thanks, sorry didnt clarify:

ws planning to use lock in a hammerhand strike not a s brass knuckles.....put the loop over knuckles to hold lock in place.

My bad, didn't think about that. That would probably be pretty effective, and nasty :D

[Alansmurf]

whole new meaning to putting a "lock " on someone !!!!!!! :D

best result all round was the fact the police were called and no need to resort to locking him up.

well done on not walking away or burying your head in the sand as a lot of people tend to these days ..

Smurf

[KungFuGrrrl]

whole new meaning to putting a "lock " on someone !!!!!!! :D

best result all round was the fact the police were called and no need to resort to locking him up.

well done on not walking away or burying your head in the sand as a lot of people tend to these days ..

Smurf

Thank you! :D

I also showed her what I had planned (for her own use, as she is there all alone all day into the night) I figured while she is opening storages she can put the loop of the lock into her jeans pocket for easy access..... and the lock in hand is pretty inconspicuous.

I also gave her info on a good KF teacher. Told her I feel that is better then those quick courses as you really get that muscle memory ......

She said they wont get a security guy! can you believe that! it is a bad area and a HUGE business.....

I gave advice to her ...so I was hoping you guys wouldnt poo poo the idea!

[KungFuGrrrl]

It would hurt like a mofo to catch a lock in a sock.


LOL THAT sounds like the beginning of a adult Dr Suess story...
The lock in the sock.......

KFG
LMAO

[karate princess]

hye, thats actually a great idea, never would have thought of it

[KungFuGrrrl]

hye, thats actually a great idea, never would have thought of it

The weapon or the story "The Lock In The Sock"?

ROFLMAO

[bcullen]

UHHHH didnt have time to locate a rope and did not have socks on and that would have drawn his attention to me.
It was also a VERY closed in area..(enough room for maybe 3 peopl in entire *office* except behind the counter where I quickly moved....

..I am afraid that if I swung a lock on a rope or in a sock he could have caught it or blocked it ... do you think so?

I was trying to be inconspicuous....... as he was yelling about knocking her teeth out and meant it. and was angry because she would not stop working with me to handle his *problem*

Thanks for the input.

KFG

Using a rope, chain, sock, whatever is a good way to turn a lock into a weapon and it's very hard to block as most flexible weapons are, however, it takes more skill to use. If you have some experience with nunchaku or similar weapons it's a great idea.

[karate princess]

The weapon or the story "The Lock In The Sock"?

ROFLMAO

the weapon lol

[bill007]

Why don't you just throw it on his head??

[BoredNow]

Hi,

so I took off my shoes rolled up my jeans pant legs..... .


I assume you were wearing heels and without them your trousers are too long? (or were you trying to move quietly?)

If 1:
Solution - learn to move and kick in heels!

I actually find it easier to kick in heels if the heel is sturdy as it means I am already on the ball of foot and my bodyweight is already forward.


Meanwhile he is paying NO attention to me which was good..... so I started looking at LOCKS...... picked one up and opend the package.... I went behind the counter with the girl.... (the guys focus still on her)


lock? you mean padlock? when you had that handy shoe in your hand? :)

[KungFuGrrrl]

I assume you were wearing heels and without them your trousers are too long? (or were you trying to move quietly?)

If 1:
Solution - learn to move and kick in heels!

I actually find it easier to kick in heels if the heel is sturdy as it means I am already on the ball of foot and my bodyweight is already forward.



lock? you mean padlock? when you had that handy shoe in your hand? :)

I had on jeans that are long (to wear with heels) but I had on flip flops not very effective weapon lol
I did not want to engage in face to face combat with someone as big and mean as this guy, I do have a r uptured disc into my spinal cord, I am a disabled MA.

I wanted the element of surprise, and because his attn was focused on the girl I had time to roll up pant legs a cuff, and kick off my slip on sandels, and look at the wall for a lock! he thought I was purchasing...the lock was a pad lock (with key),
I cant kick because of my injuries except for ankle breaks maybe knee breaks, my prmary art is Wing Chun, and Tai Chi Chuan with boxing in back ground.

RE handy shoe: a lock is heavier than a shoe and will create more damage, and easier to hold in the hand I could wrap my fist around it, with the end barely sticking out of my fist..... as I said , a hammer hand strike with a heavy lock : OUCH!

[KungFuGrrrl]

the weapon lol

Well , thank you!

A lock in the Sock

I had a lock in a sock to make his brains rock

I swung and I swung his head went kerplung

he fell to the floor and I ran out the door...

Hmmmmmmm *working on my story* lol

[KungFuGrrrl]

Why don't you just throw it on his head??

and then what? stand there or run around a small room while being chased by a huge man 4 times biggger than me and obviously psychotic? There is NO way I could ave taken him head on.

Throw a weapon means giving it to them if you miss, or at least losing the option of having one.

I prefer no weapons if I am confident I can take a person, I prefer open hand strikes eye and throat jabs ankle breaks........

But thanks for the response, this is an interesting thread for me.....
KFG

[KungFuGrrrl]

Using a rope, chain, sock, whatever is a good way to turn a lock into a weapon and it's very hard to block as most flexible weapons are, however, it takes more skill to use. If you have some experience with nunchaku or similar weapons it's a great idea.


Hey I am not McGyver LMAO........while the storage place did not have nunchakas as part of the few weapons for me to choose from, Ive used nunchaka but not proficiently to attack someone w/o worry of having them taken away and they are very telegraphing, with the lock he did not see it in my hand.. element of surprise.......

[Nevada_MO_Guy]

I think the lock is a good idea. It is sort of like a kubaton in that it would provide more of a "penetrating" hit.

Good thinking. :D

[firecoins]

the weapon is legal. no one is going to prosecute someone for an improvised weapon used in S.D. especially by a female who could have easily been overpowered by a much larger male attacker.

[Brad Ellin]

Good idea, except that the jaw wouldn't be the first target. Ears. That would be the first target. Jaws are bone and fairly solid, ears on the other hand are cartiledge and soft and rip easy. Lots of nerve endings. A wahck in the ear would then give you time to batter the jaw. However, instead of concentrating on the jaw, alternate. Strike the ears, the temple, the jaw, the nose, the elbows, the wrists, the eyes. Don't count on one target as the one to end it. That said, quick thinking on your part.

[bcullen]

Hey I am not McGyver LMAO........while the storage place did not have nunchakas as part of the few weapons for me to choose from, Ive used nunchaka but not proficiently to attack someone w/o worry of having them taken away and they are very telegraphing, with the lock he did not see it in my hand.. element of surprise.......

Oh, no I was thinking of the principle behind the weapon: A short flexible weapon will share many use characteristics. So if you've have experience using nunchakas as a weapon something like a padlock attached to a twisted piece of cloth would be a good improvised weapon. I'm pretty confident with the right size and shape of lock you easily could split someone's skull. The problem is that if you've never used a weapon like that before, you may end up hurting yourself. Flexible weapons take some weird bounces when they hit and you need to be ready for them.

[Jang Bong]

Flexible weapons take some weird bounces when they hit and you need to be ready for them.

Not so much "Oh so true" as "Ouch! So true" :D

Well done KFG for keeping your cool and looking for answers. Anything you feel comfortable with and think might work is better than bare hands, because if the worst comes to the worst and it isn't as effective as you thought then you still have the hands ;)

[KungFuGrrrl]

Not so much "Oh so true" as "Ouch! So true" :D

Well done KFG for keeping your cool and looking for answers. Anything you feel comfortable with and think might work is better than bare hands, because if the worst comes to the worst and it isn't as effective as you thought then you still have the hands ;)

Thank you and all of you for your replies! I like the one about hitting the ears as a target ouch!......

I have been seriously talking to Sifu Manuel www.shaolinlomita.com (he was one of the Sifu's at the NYC MAP Meet) about starting my lesson with him.... I was really bothered by my initial panic.

I usually think well on my feet (have had a few real life situations) THEN fall apart afterward!

I love my TCC but really miss my chi sau and sticky hands....
KFG

[Lucy O'Malley]

You have one thing over many others though.

You now have a rough idea of how you are going to react under pressure. Some people go their whole lives never knowing if they will be able to deal with a confrontation and others who have often just froze up that probably did not expect that to happen to them.

You are always going to be scared and it is not a bad thing to take time to decide what you are going to do. Every situation will always be different and it is not like the movies where you are going to instantly fight back. You need to have an idea of where it is all going to lead too.

You done the right thing by finding an equalizer. Anything against a giant is going to be better than tickling him with your bare hands. The only caution I would say is if you are forced to use something in this kind of situation, make it count, because the last thing you want is to just piss him off some more.

And I do not think it matters what country you are in, if you are in fear of your life, you have every right to take reasonable action, even with a weapon. Even more so if it is a readily available weapon that the attacker could also of got his hands on, like the locks.

I had a policeman tell me that if an intruder comes into your home and you stabbed him even in fear you will probably get time in prison for actual bodily harm or attemptive murder or murder depending on the result or something similar along them lines, especially if he says he was only coming in to steal and not to actually harm you (like you are meant to know that when a stranger breaks into your home), but if the cutlery draw is pulled out and scattered all over the floor during a struggle it would be seen differently as it was at this stage anyones game, it would be reaonable to assume that the intruder may have been after a knife to harm you with.

My point being that an equalizer is acceptable, but jumping in head first without thinking is not, in the eyes of the law.

You may think you hesitated or even done the wrong thing. You are always going to think this. After any kind of confrontation or even a sporting event, you are going to re-run the situation over and over again....thinking about what you would of done or said differently. In hind sight you will always think of something that you did not do or should have done.

I am proud of you for keeping your head. That is a good result that you can never critisize yourself for.

Well done ;)

I think that storage company should rethink their health and safety policies though and perhaps put a window of some kind across the front of the desk.

Lots of love :love:

Lucy