Breakaway?

[tekkengod]

I don't know how popular it is, of if any of you are familiar with it but i came across an issue of "Breakaway" in my school library the other day, its a chrsitian magazine for teenagers. so i picked it up, expecting a laugh and a chuckle, but what i found was shocking! The Da Vinci Code movie wasn't even out yet and they where slamming it left and right, calling it"satanic" and "sladerous" and i thought ok, granted it IS a book, but if they're so quick to slam anything that even remotely attacks them in the fiction or otherwise, how will we ever be able to do so on a serious level with the public? they slammed tom hanks, they slammed dan brown as well. the title of the article?
"Trust Da Bible, not Da Vinci". There was also an article on how VIDEO GAMES where a "gateway to spiritual battles" and key exerts where bolded and enlarged on the front page "THE REAL BATTLE ISN"T IN THE GAME, its IN THER SOULS" there was even an article on the "spiritual dangers" of Anime because of the numerous programs themed around demons and mysticisim. it condemmed anime as an art form. first of all it was astounding that something like this is even published, let alone consumed by teenagers, their fanbase has to be minimal because the things they where saying where simply not true or extremist in degree. A few members of the student council and I plan on having it removed from the library permenantly or subscription to "American Atheist" established.

[slipthejab]

Tekken
You're hilarious.
I am sure what they were saying had about as much credibility as that Video Gaming trophy that you won a while back eh? :D

ho hum

On a more serious note... you're just as if not more evangelical than even the most extreme religious people. You're so down on religion but you always seem to spend your time haning around in the religion forum. You give them more PR than any PR agency ever could. :D

Way to go. Smooth move.

[Nomadwanders]

What's that? A religious magazine trying to brainwash people? Unbelievable :rolleyes:

Religious organizations are so much better known for the quality of their well-thought out logical debating techniques backed by carefully conducted scientific experimentation than for this kind of public outcry and condemnation of anything remotely threatening (just ask Charles Darwin!).

What I find amusing is how badly these campaigns tend to work out. They give a movie like the Da Vinci Code WAY more free publicity than the filmakers could possibly buy, and make everyone who hasn't already read the book think "I wonder what the big outcry is all about, anyway?" thus guaranteeing higher box office revenues and book sales.

This thing is a work of FICTION. Relax. The smartest move the various churches could have done (too late now) would be to say that it is a work of fiction that brings up a few controversial theories. By threatening boycots, etc. they only give credence to the central themes. If there's that much smoke being blown, maybe there's a fire under there after all???

[Atharel]

Tekken
You're hilarious.
I am sure what they were saying had about as much credibility as that Video Gaming trophy that you won a while back eh? :D

ho hum

On a more serious note... you're just as if not more evangelical than even the most extreme religious people. You're so down on religion but you always seem to spend your time haning around in the religion forum. You give them more PR than any PR agency ever could. :D

Way to go. Smooth move.

slipthejab wins at life!



The irritating thing about the Da Vinci Code is that I find so many dolts, when discussing it, saying "omg isn't it amazing that Jesus had kids with and they lived in france and stuff?" reply: "Isn't it amazing what lemmings like you will believe on basis of sensationalism?" Merovingian (sp) royal family made up a story justifying their "divine right". That's all. Get lost. /rant

[slipthejab]

slipthejab wins at life!


a fair sight better than winning a video gaming trophy that doesn't exist. :D

[Topher]

a fair sight better than winning a video gaming trophy that doesn't exist. :D
I must have missed this!!

Who what where when why :D

[Yohan]

See "the tekken thread" in video games.

[thepunisher]

I must have missed this!!

Who what where when why :D

Don't worry Homer, maybe now we can all indulge in slips great history as "bucket holder" and "commentator". I think especially the first part is about as funny as what slips been trying to dig up on tekkengod.

Which leads to another question: Why did he even bring it up ?
What does tekkengods gaming history have to do with this thread ?


Christian

[aikiMac]

Which leads to another question: Why did he even bring it up ?
What does tekkengods gaming history have to do with this thread ?

He probably brought it up for the same reason you frequently bring up the Inquisition and Crusades and criticism of Galileo, in conversations concerning what the Catholic Church is doing or saying circa 2006 AD. If you allow one to be relevant, then why not the other? :eek:

[Strafio]

This thing is a work of FICTION. Relax. The smartest move the various churches could have done (too late now) would be to say that it is a work of fiction that brings up a few controversial theories. By threatening boycots, etc. they only give credence to the central themes. If there's that much smoke being blown, maybe there's a fire under there after all???
Actually, that's kind of what the main churches did do.
Some of them actually used the story to up tourism in certain Cathedrals.
The book was even on sale in the gift shops. :)

[thepunisher]

He probably brought it up for the same reason you frequently bring up the Inquisition and Crusades and criticism of Galileo, in conversations concerning what the Catholic Church is doing or saying circa 2006 AD. If you allow one to be relevant, then why not the other? :eek:

aikimac, nice try although to be honest, talking to someone like you who can't see past the bible or god, you missed my point entirely. I was referring to what tekkengods winning a SEGA game trophy had to do with this thread as brought up by slipthejab ? The only thing I see in it is someone being bored out of their mind and needing someone to pick on, hence tekkengod, who started this thread. So if you want to have a go at anyone aikimac,have a go at slipthejab, not me.

Unless of course you want to go down slips route and use tekkens game past as a way to convince him him not believing in god or the bible is bad.

Christian

[Strafio]

You missed Aikimac's point.
The same way you like to bring up Christianity's past to have a go, Slip brought up TG's past to have a go. That was joke. ;)

[bassai]

The davinci code is a work of fiction , anyone who believes otherwise is in the same camp as the people i know who think there is some truth to the matrix :eek:
The church always over reacts to anything they percieve as disrespectful or contradictory to their beliefs , it was the same with the passion of christ and even the life of brian , just accept this and move on , it doesn't make any real difference to normal life ;)

[Atharel]

The church always over reacts to anything they percieve as disrespectful or contradictory to their beliefs

Except that "the church" isn't a monolithic entity any more than "Asians".

[slipthejab]

Don't worry Homer, maybe now we can all indulge in slips great history as "bucket holder" and "commentator".

Punisher.. now now - no need to get all hot and bothered... especially when you have not a clue what your talking about. Not one iota.
Stop before you embarrass your self further.... perhaps it's time to fit your clownshoe to your cakehole. :p

Just wanted to make sure you realize that 90% of the attention I get on MAP is because you can't resist the magnetism between us... the tension is so thick we should get a room. :p

I think especially the first part is about as funny as what slips been trying to dig up on tekkengod.

err... earth to Christian... hello.....

Not trying to dig up anything. It's a well known tidbit of amusement on MAP in fact it's been a common joke for some time. Do try to keep up Christian. :D

Which leads to another question: Why did he even bring it up ?
What does tekkengods gaming history have to do with this thread ?


Christian

Since (as always) you're are having trouble connecting the dots... I'll break it down for you.... Tekkengod is forever running on his anti-religion diatribes... so when someone like that has a past history of fish stories of the 'I won a video gamer championship' when no such championship even existed I find it rather ironic that he's all over everyone elses case about truth and honesty.

Comprende chicharon? :love:

[Nomadwanders]

Actually, that's kind of what the main churches did do.
Some of them actually used the story to up tourism in certain Cathedrals.
The book was even on sale in the gift shops. :)

I didn't realize this, which brings up a different issue... namely that the state of the media being what it is, none of these ones made the news stories... only the fanatics trying to setup boycotts, etc.

Though there did seem to be a fair number of catholic bishop-types feeling the need to speak out strongly against this work of fiction.

[thepunisher]

Though there did seem to be a fair number of catholic bishop-types feeling the need to speak out strongly against this work of fiction.

Not only that, Mel Gibson, who made the "Passion of Christ" also spoke out heavily against the movie stating that it attacked the foundations of everything he holds sacred.

Makes you wonder though why the church would react so strongly if its "only a work of fiction" ?

Christian

[aikiMac]

Actually, that's kind of what the main churches did do.

Example: Last Sunday in church my pastor played a tv ad for The DaVinci Code movie. Then he encouraged everyone to go watch the movie. Ya, really, he did. For the month of June the adult Bible study hour will be about the historical evidences for the claims making up the plot of the story, versus the historical evidences for orthodox Christianity. Could be interesting.

[Guizzy]

See "the tekken thread" in video games.That's a FORTY-TWO pages thread about a subject (Tekken) I find very uninteresting.

Anything more precise?

[aikiMac]

That's a FORTY-TWO pages thread about a subject (Tekken) I find very uninteresting. Anything more precise?
Certain individuals in the Roman Catholic Church did things 900 years ago that violate Punisher's morality.

A certain living individual in the gameworld told a fib in recent years, something that also violates Punisher's morality.

Punisher will eagerly bring up the 900-year-old behavior at every opportunity to slander Catholics living today, on the implied but unspoken assumption that people 900 years ago should have lived by his moral code. (He equally attacks Lutherans, Reformed Christians, Baptists, Wesleyans, etc because he doesn't know enough about religious history to distinguish one group from another.)

He will not bring up the gamer's behavior to attack gamers living today or even to speak against the specific transgressor.

It's a matter of selectively applying morality against only those people you dislike.

[thepunisher]

Certain individuals in the Roman Catholic Church did things 900 years ago that violate Punisher's morality.


It's a matter of selectively applying morality against only those people you dislike.

Look who is talking aikimac ! Its you who takes it the most offensive if someone doesn't agree with your point of view. Pointing everyone to books you apparently read that any non-believer apparently HAS to read because it proves the bible is right. One thing you can't do is accept others not believing in the bible like tekkengod or me. Its a shame and its also a shame you had to resort to the above-similar to what slip did before-in order to boost your own ego up again.

If anyone should speak of selectively applying morality it shouldn't be you. You can't even distinguish between something called a game and a serious subject called religion. Which means neither yours nor slips "morality" plays out because bringing up that to make a person look ridiculous doesn't show alot of moral on your side. In fact, it makes me wonder how come you call yourself religious if you have to resort to such low-level attacks on ppl. Ever wondered about that ?

Christian

[slipthejab]

Look who is talking aikimac ! Its you who takes it the most offensive if someone doesn't agree with your point of view. Pointing everyone to books you apparently read that any non-believer apparently HAS to read because it proves the bible is right. One thing you can't do is accept others not believing in the bible like tekkengod or me. Its a shame and its also a shame you had to resort to the above-similar to what slip did before-in order to boost your own ego up again.

If anyone should speak of selectively applying morality it shouldn't be you. You can't even distinguish between something called a game and a serious subject called religion. Which means neither yours nor slips "morality" plays out because bringing up that to make a person look ridiculous doesn't show alot of moral on your side. In fact, it makes me wonder how come you call yourself religious if you have to resort to such low-level attacks on ppl. Ever wondered about that ?

Christian


BWHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!

Do you take yourself seriously?































no one else does. :p

[Atharel]

Not only that, Mel Gibson, who made the "Passion of Christ" also spoke out heavily against the movie stating that it attacked the foundations of everything he holds sacred.

Makes you wonder though why the church would react so strongly if its "only a work of fiction" ?

Christian

Do you realize how utterly and completely ridiculous that line of thought is?

And how ridiculous trying to use Gibson as a representative for Catholics, let alone Christians as a whole, is?

[thepunisher]

Do you realize how utterly and completely ridiculous that line of thought is?

How is it ridiculous if its true ? I'm sure the Opis dei doesn't like the way they are represented in the book, neither does the church. Yes, its a "work of fiction" but apparently some research has gone into it and it seems to upset the church knowing the book exists.

As for Mel Gibson, I totally agree. Seeing though that the Vatican gave the seal of approval to his movie "The Passion of Christ" and him being highly religious I'm sure he can in some ways be considered a celebrity ambassador of the church. So his oppinion counts..at least in the media.

Christian

[wrydolphin]

Should I find it less rediculous that people have basically fallen for a work of fiction, hook, line and sinker?

Not only is The Da Vinci code a work of fiction, its a work of old fiction. He stole bits and pieces of things that have been disproved centuries ago and brought them back, but because the majority of the public does not do any concerted form of self education, they buy it and it suddenly becomes the next new thing. Until, of course, they loose interest.

What saddens me is that crap detracts from the real history of things like the Masons and the Templars. The Templars had a massive impact on the Rennesaunce and modern notions of banking, but that gets put aside to discuss improbable conspiracy theories.

[Atharel]

That's my biggest itch about it as well, wrydolphin.

punisher - "That guy accused of rape and murder wouldn't be upset if he didn't do it, right?"

"They wouldn't be upset if it wasn't true" is the kind of anti-thought that sells tabloids, gossip journalism, fear-mongering, conspiracy theories, and generally, rubbish.

Gibson thinks that all catholics are sinners and are all going to hell, including his wife. Calling him a representative of Christian beliefs is ludicrous.

But I forget. Christians are the outgroup in your mind, and as such are homogenized and stereotyped.

[thepunisher]

Gibson thinks that all catholics are sinners and are all going to hell, including his wife. Calling him a representative of Christian beliefs is ludicrous.

But I forget. Christians are the outgroup in your mind, and as such are homogenized and stereotyped.

Care to explain to me how come Gibson then made the "Passion of Christ" and even got the approval of the vatican for it ? It was supposed to be a represantation of the last hours of Jesus's life. Do you think someone who thinks all catholics are sinners and are going to hell would make a movie like that ? And invest half of his own money in it ? Even put his Name up as Producer as well ?

And as for your idiotic dig at me, nice try but it failed. To be honest, maybe I should put it differently, alot of religious ppl don't seem to be able to see past their bible. And thats where the problem lies. Of course, anything that goes against the church or the bible must be wrong ! Its been like that forever.

As for that book, I think its an interesting read and I've no idea how much of it is based on realism but to be honest, just some of you guys reactions on here ridiculing the book shows that it definitley seems to have hit a nerve.

Christian

[Atharel]

Care to explain to me how come Gibson then made the "Passion of Christ" and even got the approval of the vatican for it ? It was supposed to be a represantation of the last hours of Jesus's life. Do you think someone who thinks all catholics are sinners and are going to hell would make a movie like that ? And invest half of his own money in it ? Even put his Name up as Producer as well ?

........

What? Why wouldn't he?

And as for your idiotic dig at me, nice try but it failed. To be honest, maybe I should put it differently, alot of religious ppl don't seem to be able to see past their bible. And thats where the problem lies. Of course, anything that goes against the church or the bible must be wrong ! Its been like that forever.

Of course, anything that goes against the church or the bible must be right!

As for that book, I think its an interesting read and I've no idea how much of it is based on realism but to be honest, just some of you guys reactions on here ridiculing the book shows that it definitley seems to have hit a nerve.

Christian

Did you not understand the accusation analogy?

[Topher]

Of course, anything that goes against the church or the bible must be right!
Chances are, yes.

[Atharel]

Have a point or only an obsession?

[Strafio]

Care to explain to me how come Gibson then made the "Passion of Christ" and even got the approval of the vatican for it? It was supposed to be a represantation of the last hours of Jesus's life. Do you think someone who thinks all catholics are sinners and are going to hell would make a movie like that?
Not all Christians are Catholics and there are a weird few that think Catholics aren't proper Christians and will burn in hell. I would link to one but I promised the sane Christians on this site that I'd never link to Jack Chick again. :Angel:

[wrydolphin]

Gibson is not a part of main stream Catholism. He is a part of a smaller group within the RC church that is more conservative then the rest of the RC church. Basically, they oppose the reforms that were put into place in the 70's.

As for why he directed and produced The Passion of Christ? Gee, because he could since he has enough pull in Hollywood to do it and because he could make money off it.

[tekkengod]

He will not bring up the gamer's behavior to attack gamers living today or even to speak against the specific transgressor.

It's a matter of selectively applying morality against only those people you dislike.

ok aiki.
whens the last time you heard about a gamer blowing himself up because a group of people played a diffrent game? or burning someone alive for the same reason? or screwing with my country's foundation? anyone? EVER? no didn't think so. come to think of it, that'd be interesting, the Halo junkies and the Counterstrike guys could kill each other for YEARS to come. or the MGS/SC rivalry would be nice and bloody. :) in fact find me ANY way to connect them in the same sense? that was a totally insane idea.

[slipthejab]

He will not bring up the gamer's behavior to attack gamers living today or even to speak against the specific transgressor.

It's a matter of selectively applying morality against only those people you dislike.

ok aiki.
whens the last time you heard about a gamer blowing himself up because a group of people played a diffrent game? or burning someone alive for the same reason? or screwing with my country's foundation? anyone? EVER? no didn't think so. come to think of it, that'd be interesting, the Halo junkies and the Counterstrike guys could kill each other for YEARS to come. or the MGS/SC rivalry would be nice and bloody. :)


err.. Tekkengod.. you've missed the point.
The reference to 'gamer's behavior' is a reference to your willingness to tell fibs in order to appear 'cool' on the forum by having won a game trophy that didn't exist and that you didn't win. Which is basically telling lies. Yet you are Johnny-on-the-spot when it comes to slagging people with religious beliefs.

Just a touch hypocrisy no? :p

[tekkengod]

no no slip. i caught the point. but again, its a matter of balance beam here. 2000 years of religious combat? or non discriminating peaceful competition?



EDIT:
no wait i'll give you the ONE KNOWN act of videogame inspired violence.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/07/29/uk.manhunt/


:)

[slipthejab]

How is it ridiculous if its true ?

1) it's not true

2) Mel Gibson... BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!.. doesn't represent all Catholics.

3) refer to points 1 and 2

[thepunisher]

As for why he directed and produced The Passion of Christ? Gee, because he could since he has enough pull in Hollywood to do it and because he could make money off it.

Do you think a guy that earns 30 million $/movie cares if he earns even more money than he has already ? For all he cared he could have sat back and enjoyed all the money he has already. And if you read the press concerning that movie he not only invested some of his own money into making it but also had a very personal interest in getting it right.

Also, he didn't put the movie up for an Academy Award pre-selection. Why ? Because he didn't care about getting an Oscar for it, which, looking at other movies that did, would have earned him even more money afterwards.

Christian

[slipthejab]

no no slip. i caught the point. but again, its a matter of balance beam here. 2000 years of religious combat? or non discriminating peaceful competition?

If you actually managed to take a breath in between your anti religious rants to understand that to war is human. It doesn't matter what title you hang on it - it's part of human nature. At NO time in the history of man has man been without it. Ever.

So it's just a tad more down to human nature than it is to... lol... 2,000 years of religious combat.

Puhleeeze. :rolleyes:

[thepunisher]

1) it's not true

2) Mel Gibson... BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!.. doesn't represent all Catholics.

3) refer to points 1 and 2

Just a hint slip, you should read posts better. I didn't say he represented all catholics, I said he was a good ambassador for catholics because he is a Hollywood celebrity. There is a difference.

Christian

[tekkengod]

ok, i'll grant you that, its human nature. but the title is ever so often religious.

[slipthejab]

Do you think a guy that earns 30 million $/movie cares if he earns even more money than he has already ?


Your presuming to know what Mel Gibson thinks about what he earns. Not exactly the strongest foundation for the absurd arguement that you're presenting Christian.

For all he cared he could have sat back and enjoyed all the money he has already. And if you read the press concerning that movie he not only invested some of his own money into making it but also had a very personal interest in getting it right.

Goody for him. That still doesn't come close to making him the common consciousness of all Catholics now does it?


Also, he didn't put the movie up for an Academy Award pre-selection. Why ? Because he didn't care about getting an Oscar for it, which, looking at other movies that did, would have earned him even more money afterwards.

Christian

Again that has nothing to do with anything. What Mel does with his money is relatively immaterial to the conversation. Other than it's your only way to divert attention from the inane concept that you've posted. The classic fake-left-go-right. :D

[slipthejab]

ok, i'll grant you that, its human nature. but the title is ever so often religious.

Big Fat Hairy Deal.
Who made the title?
Humans.
They'll stick just about any title on anything if they think it'll help them move the process forward - be that war or whatever.

It's very rare that you have a single factor driving a war or for that matter any conflict. So it's a gross oversimplification of history to try to blame 2,000 years of war soley on religion.

I can say that my posting on MAP is based on religious reasoning - but that doesn't make it anymore religious than your left nut.

[tekkengod]

It's very rare that you have a single factor driving a war or for that matter any conflict. So it's a gross oversimplification of history to try to blame 2,000 years of war soley on religion.

I can say that my posting on MAP is based on religious reasoning - but that doesn't make it anymore religious than your left nut.

true. multiple factors must be accounted for.

Actually my left nut is very religious, i have quite a few worshippers!. lmao :D

[slipthejab]

Actually my left nut is very religious, i have quite a few worshippers!. lmao :D

ROTFLMAO!!!!

well then by all means! :D

[bcullen]

Actually my left nut is very religious, i have quite a few worshippers!. lmao :D

ROFL!

I guess it had to be to balance things out. With Jerry Falwell there's already a church founded on a religious right nut. :D

[Davey Bones]

Also, he didn't put the movie up for an Academy Award pre-selection. Why ? Because he didn't care about getting an Oscar for it, which, looking at other movies that did, would have earned him even more money afterwards.

Christian

Actually, point of order here.

"The Passion of the Christ" was ineligible for the major awards (except Best Director) due to the fact the film was in Hebrew, Latin, and something which was supposed to be Aramaic. In order to qualify for nominations for best picture, actor, actress, supporting actor, and supporting actress, the film must be in English.

Mel Gibson probably didn't give a hoot since the film grossed something along the lines of what, $400 million worldwide? But hell, that wasn't even the point. He made a film he felt strongly about. But don't turn him into some great martyr when in fact, "Passion" was ineligible for all the major awards. Which means, much like with CTHD, the Academy needs to change the rules.

[Davey Bones]

I don't know how popular it is, of if any of you are familiar with it but i came across an issue of "Breakaway" in my school library the other day, its a chrsitian magazine for teenagers. so i picked it up, expecting a laugh and a chuckle, but what i found was shocking! <insert random commentary on this magazine's views on anime, film, and video games>


I'm with slip and a few others here, Tekken. People have religious views, and that's it. You're not going to change it. I think you have a fair point in asking for something resembling equal treatment , but you do spend an awful lot of time taking digs at the Christians.

Of course, being a fan of cinema, video games, and anime, I can certianly see the interpretation "Breakaway" has seen. For example, Neverwinter Nights, which I'm currently playing. Several quests involve summoning demons and devils. I can go on and on about the religious iconography contained in anime, both good and bad. And don't even get me started on cinema.

People are allowed to have thier views, Tekken. Deal with it. If you want equal treatment, fine. But shouting and bitching about it isn't the way to go.

[tekkengod]

I'm with slip and a few others here, Tekken. People have religious views, and that's it. You're not going to change it. I think you have a fair point in asking for something resembling equal treatment , but you do spend an awful lot of time taking digs at the Christians.

Of course, being a fan of cinema, video games, and anime, I can certianly see the interpretation "Breakaway" has seen. For example, Neverwinter Nights, which I'm currently playing. Several quests involve summoning demons and devils. I can go on and on about the religious iconography contained in anime, both good and bad. And don't even get me started on cinema.

People are allowed to have thier views, Tekken. Deal with it. If you want equal treatment, fine. But shouting and bitching about it isn't the way to go.

I take "digs" when i feel they are earned, reguardless of what group. i would like equal treatment but chances are it won't happen for a long time. for that i can wait

[aikiMac]

Actually, point of order here.

"The Passion of the Christ" was ineligible for the major awards (except Best Director) due to the fact the film was in Hebrew, Latin, and something which was supposed to be Aramaic. In order to qualify for nominations for best picture, actor, actress, supporting actor, and supporting actress, the film must be in English.

Mel Gibson probably didn't give a hoot since the film grossed something along the lines of what, $400 million worldwide? But hell, that wasn't even the point. He made a film he felt strongly about. But don't turn him into some great martyr when in fact, "Passion" was ineligible for all the major awards. Which means, much like with CTHD, the Academy needs to change the rules.
:eek: Dude, I never heard that before. Really? Like, wow. :eek: I'm with you then: the rules need to change. Evidence CTHD, right on.

(And not that it matters any, but for the record I have not watched "Passion." I didn't want to, and I still don't want to.)

[sinner_silence]

Something you would (again) probably laugh about...

Philippines, being a Catholic country, and Opus Dei, running most of the prestigious Catholic schools here, and our Government officials being 99% Catholic, criticized Da Vinci Code heavily. Over exaggeration was the fact that, Manila (our country's capital) local government and other large cities here BANNED this film, yes, calling it SATANIC and ANTI-RELIGIOUS.

Funny thing is, FIRST CLASS malls in the country still run the movie, causing bigger embarassment to those who can't afford to watch or let's say, below poverty line. It's lame, and I hope the Church officials here feel good for making the rest of our population feel STUPID like we cannot discern which movies are good and bad for us to watch.... It's pathetic really to think that both our local government and church officials think that our countrymen have no brains to decipher fallacy, fiction and reality!!

I have nothing against the book, I find it real good for a writer to cause such panic especially to one State or Religion lol. That's something! But on the other hand, I can't understand why some people make a big deal out of something, they themselves call FICTION!

The long history of Church, especially Catholicism here in the Philippines (dont get me wrong here, I am a Catholic myself) I have to say, was a series of deceit. And even the documentaries Vatican released, never denied the FACT that there were numerous false religious assumptions spread to global believers.

But anyhow, who am I to judge? I was born in 1983 yet people have been doing all sorts of worship since the early days of Creation. But a thing I'm sure about is that, the BIBLE and DA VINCI CODE are both Literature in form and in content. I only difference is, the other people worship the first and criticize the second.

Still, it's apathetic to say that, NOT EVERYONE HERE WAS ABLE TO WATCH DA VINCI CODE BECAUSE IT WAS BANNED! and that was just ridiculuos dont you think?!? it was just a movie! for gods sake... :bang:

I wanna migrate somewhere, where people are more OPEN MINDED For Reals!

[thepunisher]

I'm with slip and a few others here, Tekken. People have religious views, and that's it. You're not going to change it. I think you have a fair point in asking for something resembling equal treatment , but you do spend an awful lot of time taking digs at the Christians.

People are allowed to have thier views, Tekken. Deal with it. If you want equal treatment, fine. But shouting and bitching about it isn't the way to go.

GangrelChilde, if ppl are allowed to have views why isn't Tekkengod allowed to have his ? And speaking of equal treatment: Don't you think, you and some others sometimes just pick out anyone you feel like herrassing and just go at them, regardless of whether they may actually be right for once ? You call that equal treatment ? Boredom isn't an excuse to have a go at someone.

I also don't think Tekken is trying to change anyones views here. As is evidenced alot on the Religion threads you CAN'T actually change someone with a strong religious view. Just don't think you can do the same to an atheist either.

Christian

[Davey Bones]

GangrelChilde, if ppl are allowed to have views why isn't Tekkengod allowed to have his ? And speaking of equal treatment: Don't you think, you and some others sometimes just pick out anyone you feel like herrassing and just go at them, regardless of whether they may actually be right for once ? You call that equal treatment ? Boredom isn't an excuse to have a go at someone.

I also don't think Tekken is trying to change anyones views here. As is evidenced alot on the Religion threads you CAN'T actually change someone with a strong religious view. Just don't think you can do the same to an atheist either.

Christian

Did you perhpas miss the part of the post where I said:

I think you have a fair point in asking for something resembling equal treatment , but you do spend an awful lot of time taking digs at the Christians.

and...

If you want equal treatment, fine. But shouting and bitching about it isn't the way to go.

The entire premise of this thread is, once again, "look at how much Christians suck." And of course you're more than happy to jump on that bandwagon.

I don't object to critical analysis. Post the articles from the magazine. Let us read them. Do more than rant like a 17 year year old who goes out of his way to criticize and condemn religion wherever you have the chance, to the point of being so rude about it, you've been binned for it. Yes, that's Tekken's history here on MAP. A little less bitching and a little bit more rational thought, and we might take him more seriously.

We just disagree with you because we don't like you. :p

[thepunisher]

We just disagree with you because we don't like you. :p

Exactly GangrelChilde, prove me wrong ! Next time tekken or I posts something ignore us.

Christian

[Strafio]

I also don't think Tekken is trying to change anyones views here. As is evidenced alot on the Religion threads you CAN'T actually change someone with a strong religious view. Just don't think you can do the same to an atheist either.
No one have ever criticised your atheism.
What they do criticise is your digs at Christianity.
Sure, you're allowed an opinion but a harsh opinion isn't going to go down well.
You might say "the truth hurts" but the thing is, your "opinions" don't stand up well to "truth". So you're being rude about Christian beliefs and not even right about it. And you wonder why people get so wound up at you?

We all have loose opinions but they don't offend people so that's fine.
We might have some offensive opinions but they're few and far between and backed up by strong reasoning.

You seem to like to throw the worst of both worlds at people.
Just in case you were wondering why people get wound up at you. :)

[Davey Bones]

Exactly GangrelChilde, prove me wrong ! Next time tekken or I posts something ignore us.

Christian

Depends on what you say. :) If you say something I don't agree with, I'll respond. But case in point, no one here but Tekken has seen any of the articles in question, and it's getting a bit tedious hearing about how *his* rights are being taken away when he regularly engages in Christian-baiting and bashing here on MAP.

It's hard to cry "equal rights" on a public forum when you are being binned for violating the rights of others.

[bcullen]

Exactly GangrelChilde, prove me wrong ! Next time tekken or I posts something ignore us.

Christian

That's like handing someone a lighter and sticking a package of firecrackers in your back pocket. No one can resist the temptation to light the fuse. :D

[tekkengod]

Depends on what you say. :) If you say something I don't agree with, I'll respond. But case in point, no one here but Tekken has seen any of the articles in question, and it's getting a bit tedious hearing about how *his* rights are being taken away when he regularly engages in Christian-baiting and bashing here on MAP.

It's hard to cry "equal rights" on a public forum when you are being binned for violating the rights of others.

actually i was binned for something that light a femi-nazi fuse a while back when i posted a comedy sketch involving women fighting, and then for this hillarious post in the "new ufc" thread :)

[Topher]

But a thing I'm sure about is that, the BIBLE and DA VINCI CODE are both Literature in form and in content. I only difference is, the other people worship the first and criticize the second.
Wise words.

[Topher]

I would agree with tekkengod that they either remove the magazine or make avaliable magazines on differing beliefs, both other religion and atheism.

[MAnewbie]

Tekken
On a more serious note... you're just as if not more evangelical than even the most extreme religious people. You're so down on religion but you always seem to spend your time haning around in the religion forum. You give them more PR than any PR agency ever could. :D

Way to go. Smooth move.

I agree.


Hummm...
Name three people that never fail to post on a thread about religion.

Tekken, Punisher, and Homer J Simpson.

Kind of interesting that three atheists post the most on a religion thread =).

[AZeitung]

Actually, that's kind of what the main churches did do.
Some of them actually used the story to up tourism in certain Cathedrals.
The book was even on sale in the gift shops. :)
Cathedrals with gift shops? What church is this?

[AZeitung]

As for Mel Gibson, I totally agree. Seeing though that the Vatican gave the seal of approval to his movie "The Passion of Christ" and him being highly religious I'm sure he can in some ways be considered a celebrity ambassador of the church. So his oppinion counts..at least in the media.

Christian
If by "ambassador of the church" you mean "ambassador of the Catholic Church", that's rather funny, considering Gibson isn't Catholic. He belongs to a sect that broke away from the Catholic church some time after vatican two because they thought the church wasn't traditional enough. I think it had something to do with the use of latin (although there are catholic churches that do still put on latin masses).

[Davey Bones]

actually i was binned for something that light a femi-nazi fuse a while back when i posted a comedy sketch involving women fighting, and then for this hillarious post in the "new ufc" thread :)

Dude, you come in this forum with your rhetoric, call people names, and then hide behind the words "logic" and "rational thought", when you display anything but. You're just as bad as the fundies in your own way, and on more than one occassion a MOD has had to step in and tell you to knock it off.

We get your point, you feel oppressed. And I agree that if you go to a public school, either ditch the Christian mag or get a comprable one for the other side. But you also have to handle it in a mature fashion, not with a temper tantrum.

[NewLearner]

I agree.


Hummm...
Name three people that never fail to post on a thread about religion.

Tekken, Punisher, and Homer J Simpson.

Kind of interesting that three atheists post the most on a religion thread =).

Isn't that interesting? Sort of a case of, I must convince everyone else I am right at all possible costs? Others disagree with me, therefore they must be wrong?

Although, I will say that Homer isn't an issue for me, because most of what I have read of his stuff makes some sense or is at least not a slap in people's faces. Kudo's for that.

[aikiMac]

Although, I will say that Homer isn't an issue for me, because most of what I have read of his stuff makes some sense or is at least not a slap in people's faces. Kudo's for that.
You must have missed the times when he refused to let Christians define their terms, and instead insisted that non-Christians could and should define Christian terms for the Christians. A recent example is "God," of all things. He won't let Christian theologians define the Christian God. Whatever. :rolleyes: