Rain

[Xia]

About 37 years ago a great man wrote his story. The teachings and followings of such a man had influenced enough people that he had become a legend. The name of which he called this is "Jeet Kune Do", the art of intercepting fist. His style is not a style, because it is a philosphy...in which each individual person can "be free" like water.

Months have passed since I have had the thought, not idea that what he had wrote was not finished. In this I dedicated even more practice and hard work until I was able to move Jeet Kune Do and Hakka Mantis into one. Note that this is not a new style of traditional or any other martial art. Like Bruce Lee I want the to only be a philisophy, until someone proves this otherwise.

The basis of this philisophy is to be "falling water", thus I have given it its title. I still have a few techniques to work through, I will continue to write. Are there are people out there willing to read more? Note again this in not a new style only a way of thought.

[David]

I'm interested from the mantis perspective. Write on!

:)

Rgds,
David

[YODA]

I'm not interested from the pseudo JKD perspective.

Shaddap

[Xia]

Before I write may I repeat, that this is a philosophy and only one thought.
Jeet Kune Do and Hakka Mantis is tied into this thought through use of small movement and "sprouting".(to come forth and return)
However, the true mastery of "falling water" comes from being able to be calm, fully aware, and to be completely in tune with oneself and the surroundings. Only then can a person know himself. A fight can only be expressed completely through the mental and emotional connection between the fighters.

"True Mastery transcends any particular art", Bruce Lee.

The "sprouting" comes from the Hakka Mantis. In order to execute a straight blast or sweep you must be able to move forward or push first, this allows a chance for interception by your opponent.
Some martial arts have this approach. To react with this movement you must "rain".(descent of "water" in small movement) The "rain" approach is quite effective against most counter actions. Instead of move forward or push first, intercept the attack, and meet your opponent. There is a difference between "water" and "rain".
First, the ignorance..."water" can crash and it can flow, on the other hand "rain" can change direction, in addition to the flow and crash. If your opponent moves in with an attack, "rain" and "sprout". Thus explaining one method of how the two entwine.

Would you like me to explain more?

[-=|§ØÛ£|=-]

Wtf is it with you and water dude?
(No dissrespect of course)

[Alex Snyder]

Soue, to put a comment up like that and then put
"(No dissrespect of course)" still comes off as being quite immature and in point, disrespectful.

If you read something you don't like, then don't comment. If you feel the need to ask for an explanation however, then do so in a more mature manner. There are no need for comments like that.

Do continue Xia.

[Tireces]

Um, I don't know who's trained you, but one of the key (and hardest to develop) aspects of jeet kune do is the hand coming first before the push forward, and the punch lands as you are moving in. As far as I can tell you are operating under the assumption that we step first and then punch? That isnt the case. It is very hard to understand what you are saying at all, because you dont actually describe what you are talking about, you just dress it up in vague comparisons to things related with water. Are you saying we should fall forward to deliver punching attacks? If so, this is not a good idea at all, because it leaves you extremely off balance and you can simply be brought to the ground without much effort. Not to mention, if the opponent steps out of the way, you either fall flat on your face, or are left bent forward trying to regain your balance, and an opponent who knows what he is doing will use this opportunity to take an extremely advantageous strike. Rather embarassing, as well as ineffective, dont you think? Also, falling forward really isnt quicker than a step, if you keep working on footwork like you're supposed to.

[David]

I also find it hard to follow the differentiated aquatic terms. Then again, this is the philosophy forum so a certain lack of material definition is to be expected ;) Xia, are you referring to hakka sink (rain) and spit (sprout)?

If that's the case then the falling isn't an unbalancing/overbalancing action but rather the opposite: your centre of gravity drops down equally through both feet. You can step forward and sink. Sinking can be expressed (focussed) through any part of or all of the body.

Still, if I'm right in my interpretation, then the question arises why miss out on the remainder of the set of hakka principles: swallow and float..? Why have downwards and outwards without inwards and upwards?

Rgds,
David

[Tireces]

If thats what he's talking about, it sounds a lot like what we do to throw a low straight lead. So much for introducing something new eh?

[Xia]

...please forgive and dissolve any knowledge, you have gotten from these previous posts. As I have said before English is a second language to me...sorry. If any could help me explain this better, can you tell me here or IM me at my scrn.

[David]

Well, don't be put off, Xia :)

Rgds,
David

[-=|§ØÛ£|=-]

Alex Snyder: Junior Member



Soue, to put a comment up like that and then put
"(No dissrespect of course)" still comes off as being quite immature and in point, disrespectful.

If you read something you don't like, then don't comment. If you feel the need to ask for an explanation however, then do so in a more mature manner. There are no need for comments like that.

Do continue Xia.
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Thanks for sticking up for the guy. And Xia, I wasn't making fun of you for English being your 2nd language, you just go on a lot about water and apparently I'm not the only one that doesn't get it. I'm sorry if it came off that way. I'm not sure what he's raising a big stink for, not like I insulted his mother then spit on him or anything, just something I notcied.

[Alex Snyder]

I didn't mean to sound overly critical, but I come off as sounding that way alot of the time. Just saying that comments like that don't really contribute to anything, no animosity meant by the comment.

[-=|§ØÛ£|=-]

Np. And welcome to the board.

[freespirit]

i dont know much about jkd or the other art but surely we are talking about a philosophy here rather than any set of movements, in other words dont get tid up with words and actions but think and understand that its about the frame of mind.

[aikiwolfie]

Xia I would certainly be interested in learning more about you're way of thinking. But in all honesty I don't think you're creating an original philosophy or way of looking at things.

There is a story that O Sensei took 7 years to develop Tecnchinage to a point where he was happy with it. 7 years just for one technique. You seem to be attempting to not only merge two differnt arts but also create or expand upon the fundamentle phylosophy of one of those arts in a matter of months.

I'm not trying to be offensive but you don't give me the impression that you are anywhere near that level of experience or ability.

I think you should put a great deal more thought into this and seriously research a far more diverse range of martial arts if you seriously want to develop a new philosophy.

The martial arts at this point in the 21st century is drowning in philosphys with water anologys, blown away with air anaolgys and we all get a good giggle at the nuts that think they are tigers and snakes and monkeys.

The one philosophy nobody seems to be interested in developing is one of proper teaching and dedicated learning.

Another school of thought isn't what martial arts needs. It's good honest teachers. That said if you truely want to persue this then by all means i look forward to hearing what you have thought about. I wish you the best of luck.

[Xia]

...more to come. Need to reevalute the previous thoughts posted and I have completed in bettering myself of this language.

[john yates]

I'm not interested from the pseudo JKD perspective.

Shaddap
dont see the point in that remark if your not interested then dont reply any reply shows an interest

XIA water is the strongest substance that you can meet to go against it will bring certain defeat but to go with it brings reward nice try keep thunking keep writing( lets all try and be a bit more posistive thats the point of the board i hope this doesnt affend anyone :love:

[Maximicus]

Shhhh. John, do you know who your talking to?

[john yates]

Shhhh. John, do you know who your talking to?
shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh do you :eek: