When Attacked Where Do You Strike

[tai-gip]

???

[Andrew Green]

In front of the building with a big sign is a good bet...

:D

[tai-gip]

lol dont make me come over there with a bottle of canadian club

[cal_JJJ]

Hello; Tai-gip

Why don't you answer first to give some idea as to where you want to go with this. Given fourty diff. attacks could give twenty diff. answers. My answer would be the attackers center line, but thats not on your list.

[tai-gip]

Me ? .. Personaly i would avoid striking .......

if it was to serious as in out numbered by individuals who where either on drugs or trained then i might kick/punch a couple of stomachs just to make them aware i can hurt them but i just dont wish to...

I was attacked by a guy with a knife once but i guess i was lucky when he stabbed forward i struck the inside of his wrist and he dropped the knife

always harder because people who think they are tough or used to contact sparring dont wont to give in just because you would have hit them eight times broken a leg and you finish holding your hand against there throat they seem to think it wouldnt have hurt lol...

still i dont think violence is the answer but i havnt yet gotten to the point where i will allow myself to be struck though im working on it...

Im just asking what people would go for if threatened i guess cal

[inacan]

I'd go for the chest or maybe the nose.

[LilBunnyRabbit]

Wherever was available to strike at the time.

[47Ronin]

knees then face.

[David]

Whatever else is going on, one hand always seems to go for the neck area.

Rgds,
David

[Jonny Chee]

THE JAWLINE OF COURSE!!

But as that wasn't listed as an option, I chose neck/throat.

[KickChick]

I believe that question deserves this answer:
(although not one of the choices mentioned)

"kick to the head" :D ;)

[Knight_Errant]

You missed out the 'ass', something you ought to be paying attention to ;)

[Sonshu]

Head area, ribs or thigh is good!

[Bigfoot]

You attack where the opportunity arises. Saying you have to go to one specific area is like saying chicken can only be fried.

[Virtuous]

It really depends on the attack, but I tend to gravitate to the floating ribs and a few choice strikes on the neck.
Virt

[WhiteWizard]

Whatever is open for a stike.

[Freeform]

Uh, the guy attacking me?

Unless of course he jumped me from behind and I'm now lying in a pool of my own blood and excrement.

Col

[Xia]

If the opponent strikes, intercept and counter use you knowledge of the mind, to follow through. Southern styles are more effective, if your opponent is "blind" and follows you in one direction.

[saikyou]

the jaw and the ribs. if he has a weapon, gonna go for the arms first.

[Chazz]

The mans pride spot LOL, knees, knose, and eyes

[KenpoDavid]

the attacking limb, then somewhere that really really hurts, wherever might be available. probalby, knee, or throat.

[wayofthedragon]

Well, I've never really been attacked....but I'd love to go for the throat and/or the eyes

[yangtaichi]

usually when i think about hurting someone i will think of their throat, but i have to say knees if the other person is the aggressor

[Dark Blade]

It depends what they attack was.

A kinfe thrust to the body - would result in my attacking the wrist, removing the knife and then going for the throat, groin, nose, eyes or joints.
A kick - I'd doge/block, grab the leg, kick as hard as I possible can in the groin, then go for the eyes, then throat and then go for the knee.

This is probably going to start the whole "dirty tactics" issue here :P

[hwarang]

i voted throat/neck which was the closes thing to face

i would say to the attacker "hold on a sec", then step backwards, measuring a run up and do a flying side kick to the head

[MrTony]

from the front-if he has a weapon focus on that first. otherwise the eyes to buy you 1/2 sec to close in and finish off. eyes are always good because you dont need that much power. you then have a bit more time to do some serious stuff.

[Greg-VT]

Wherever I need to

[johndoch]

dont think, feeeeel

[Greg-VT]

or dornt thiink... feeeeal ;)

[johndoch]

:D

[stump]

whatever's open...anything else and you're limiting your options when you should be increasing them

[aikijudo]

I would say this question is most definitely conditional.

If it is someone I know, I would definitely try for a submission defense (gentle) until I could figure out what was going on.

If it was a stranger and they had a weapon, and communicated a threat, I would probably 1st try submission, then advance accordingly to their continued threat.

If I were attacked by multiple opponents at the same time, things might start to get a little bloody.

If it is a multiple attack and they have weapons, things may definitely get bloody.

First and foremost, If I am forced to physically defend myself, I am a believer in getting it over with as quickly as possible. This philosophy will pretty much dictate what techniques I would use.

The longer the duration of the attack, the greater the risk I am of being harmed.

[LilBunnyRabbit]

If it is a multiple attack and they have weapons, things may definitely get bloody.

That's one way to put it.

Actually I wanna change my answer. I strike to a tiny little disabling pressure point on the rear inside of the left scapula. Works every time.

[shotokanwarrior]

Originally posted by Knight_errant
You missed out the 'ass', something you ought to be paying attention to ;)
i would like to point out that the human ass is thickly protected with both muscle and fat and is therefore hard to injure. also to strike at the 'ass' you have to manoeuvre behind someone. all right if they're using head level round kicks/reverse round kicks/hooks but the average street mugger doesn't usually think of that.

[shotokanwarrior]

where would i strike? i'd say the larynx or else the solar plexus. also a side kick 2 the knee if i can get one in.

[cal_JJJ]

Hello Aikijudo,

"I would say this question is most definitely conditional."

Is it? I mean 'When attacked, where do you strike?'

Wouldn't area of strike and control be the same general goal for any condition (attack), but rather level of intensity be conditional?

[Beehe]

preshure points in one elbow dislocate shoulder double palm in chest

[Who am I?]

A kick to the balls

[kempocos]

depends on the attack often the head, double / single palm strike to change thier mtion from foward to back or down.

MAN some of you guys need to train in a more aggressive manner, if attack by an aggressive person intent on harm the following will not work more than 5% of the time.

EYES - too small , too hard to get on a fast moving person

KICK TO THE HEAD - in point sparring maybe , in a fight I would suggest learning some ground fighting because that is were you will be going.

SMALL PREASSURE POINT - hitting a small PP during an attack is not going to happen regradless of what that seminar told you, here is a site with some good artilces for you on BODY ALARM REACTION, once the intent and momentium is decreased than use the PP attack. www.combatkyusho.com

KNIFE THRUST / ATTACK THE WRIST - try that using magic makers as the knife then count the marks on you and where they are, calulate the bleed out time. wrist too small when moving fast try forearm or just above elbow is better

ALLL MY HUMBLE OPINION

[Serpico]

Originally posted by Who am I?
A kick to the balls

Always a safe bet if your being attacked by a male. It's effective against a female, but not as effective (please correct me if I'm wrong). I think the correct answer is very conditional. You should trust your instincts to deliver the attack, and use your training to hone your instincts. I've read many different theories on what attacks work best, and I've decided for myself eyes, groin, solar plexus, throat and temple are the best areas to strike at. Again it's all based on the situation.
I mean if you want to get technical, my best attack is my 720 flying eagle foot decapitation technique. However it's been outlawed in every City in the world (except Hollywood), so I can't use it in 99.9999999% of my encounters. However, I do use it illegally when I am attacked by thirty Ninjas at night (usually on Tuesdays).

[blaksun]

If you're not squeamish, and you have no reservations about causing permanent damage, and the fight is quite serious...and you want it to be over with quickly: EYES. One can not fight if he can not see.
Or he can't fight well...at all...

[marais]

good point on the eyes, but why not just shut his entire system down with a thum to the throat?

[47Ronin]

Whatever happened to good old Tai gip?

[TigerAn1]

I'd put my knee's in the breeze and yell FIRE, which is what law enforcement recommends if confronted.

I'd have to have no other available option to that of making like a tree before I'd strike back. If I HAD to, the throat or eyes if possible, or a nice downward kick to the side of the knee or shin. Then make like a tree...


Check this out- he's a retired Chicago TAC Cop (Detective). I've heard him in person- he makes a lot of sense. Don't be a hero- especially a dead one.


http://defence4u.com/

[Topher]

Depending on the attack.

But side/front kicks to thigh or knees could be used to ground some.

Snap kick to jaw probably effective

I'd like to learn Locks and Pressure points. They seem effective.

[Shadow_Lurker]

I find it that when I am attacked I strike at the body part that is closet to me or at least a part of it. It might not be the best thing but I don't really get attacked. Usually it's just my friends doing that friends pummel their friends down with punches until one person gives up. Today, me and my friend were messin around and he threw a punch to my shoulder, I sidestepped to my left away from his attack and counterattacked his shoulder with a backfist. I must have hurt him pretty bad or his endurance isn't that great because he stayed away from me for about ten minutes. Sorry about that semi-long story... I guess I was trying to make myself clear.

[Albert]

I would leap into the air, do 4 flips, then come down and impale the attackers skull with my toungue.



Or... Groin, ribs, Head

[Intan86]

I would strike the neck first before I do any follow ups just to make him\her choke and paralysing any attempts from him\her.

[grimel]

still i dont think violence is the answer but i havnt yet gotten to the point where i will allow myself to be struck though im working on it...

Tell that to Hitler, the Huns, the Visigoths, Carthage, American Indians, Aztecs ...

KNIFE THRUST / ATTACK THE WRIST - try that using magic makers as the knife then count the marks on you and where they are, calulate the bleed out time. wrist too small when moving fast try forearm or just above elbow is better

I think you'll find the forearm to be a much better target. It "stops" the knife farther from your body. Personally, I prefer a good stick if I can't have a gun to defend the knife. YMMV

As for this pole, where is chin jab? Next choice throat.

[shuyun3]

my longest weapon to the nearest target

[all4kicks]

I chose the throat. My instructor once had us lightly touch the front of our throats, lightly - and it bothered me for about 10 minutes - and I was gentle! So imagine a good jab to the throat would incapacitate(sp) anyone.

If they attack from behind - I'd step to the side slightly, reach behind and grab the "jewels" - pull really hard on them...and then strike with the back of the elbow to the face. I took some quick defense classes at my TKD school and we practiced them over and over and over again.

[Jewbacca]

Knees or throat. I use a cane, so. I would go for the throat or attempt to hook the back of the neck if the agressor punched, as I could then drag the a face into my elbow or knee. With such a broad surface area as the top of a cane's curve, a quick jab to the throat is a great option.

A kick, I'd hook the standing ankle, and elephant stomp into the standing knee, whilst pulling the ankle out.

[Xianghua]

I would LOVE to break my attacker's knee. Just to see the look of incomprehencable pain on their face. Yeah...

[Din]

the throat ... but you should have stated the situation. diff situations call for diff types of attacks

[#1 Stutta]

Whenever I fight I always grab the throat and throw them on the ground or punch them in the face. So, I voted throat.

[Li Nan-Lung]

As I studied Dim Mak for a while, I'd strike a point relevant (although, I'm a fan of a Palm strike to Spleen 21, or a Double Stomache 9 Tiger-Claw Choke Hold) :)

[shotokanwarrior]

all this stuff about kicking to the groin - what if your attacker is female?
also, the stuff about street fights always going to the ground is crap. if you're skilled you can get away from them first then take them down with something long range like Ushiro Mawashi Geri. you can also use long range kicks to get away from someone who has seized you. i've done it myself.

[KageKi]

Straight for the throat!, or whatever is closest

[Pepsi32123]

I didn't answer your question. It wasn't too broad, but you need to specify why you're attacking: street fight, playing around, or sparring. In a street fight, I'm throwing a twist kick to their mid section(groin, stomach) to throw them off gaurd, then I'm jabbing/cross punching to the mouth or cheek bone. Playing around, I usually tap them on the head and lightly punch them in the stomach. If I'm sparring, I just try to see how effective my kicks are and work on combonations for tournaments.

You missed out the 'ass', something you ought to be paying attention to ;)

After a street fight, I'm kicking the guy right in the butt, hard, not hard, whatever. Just so I can say, "I kicked his ass!."

[Twimyo Jirugi]

It's not on there, but I go for the solar plexus the majority of the time. If it's a bad situation, I'd go with a flat fingertip thrust to the throat.

[shotokanwarrior]

Quote:
I'd put my knee's in the breeze and yell FIRE, which is what law enforcement recommends if confronted

Right. I'll try and be rational here instead of ranting the place down for once...

To hell with that stupid ethos of being a good victim!!!!!!!Yelling 'Fire' will not prevent someone from doing damage to your body. I read an article in the paper aeons ago about how to behave if attacked and there was a quote from a police officer who said you shouldn't fight back, you should only assume a defensive position such as raising your hands to shield your face, so that any witnesses know exactly who started the confrontation. He said, 'If you fight back, witnesses won't know who started it, but if you roll up in a ball, everyone will know exactly who the aggressor was.'

If you ever meet anyone like this idiot who tells you you shouldn't retaliate if attacked, I say tell the guy to take his stupid, naive advice and stick it up his bottom. As is undoubtedly obvious, assuming a fetal position or 'rolling up in a ball' will only get you jumped on or kicked in a sensitive area which otherwise would not be open if you were standing up. Likewise and equally obviously, raising your hands to 'shield your face' will do nothing more than leave open the rest of the body to attack. Law enforcement people absolutely don't have a clue when it comes to SD. They are utterly naive. Do they seriously expect someone, when attacked, to dutifully assume a passive, so-called 'defensive position' while the assailant kicks the living crap out of them????
As the band Rage Against the Machine say in The Matrix,
WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!

[cal_JJJ]

Wow, where to start?

How about 90yr old lady against knife weilding mugger?
You say stand toe-to-toe insted of duck, cover, & scream/run.
Hmmmmm

Wake up!

[Nrv4evr]

i love, i mean, I LOVE, seeing the look on the attacker's face when he realizes he's fighting a trained fighter, and I love even more the look of pain when i get him in the ribs. i know their are no rules in a streetfight, but i just cannot bring myself to do a low blow; something just stops me.

it's rare that you fight a trained fighter on the street, most are closet sadists trying to prove a point. :D

[svadhyaya]

In my own experience, when attacked I first strike the bar with my head, and then perform a full body slam to the floor. Best performed at the top of some steps. :)

[Scarlet Mist]

With gun: put four in his chest and two in his head, that should stop him. If you have two guns, put eight in his chest and four in his head. If there are multiple attackers, put two in them each.

Without gun:
RUN!!





Gangsta

[Nrv4evr]

yes you seem to love shooting people scarlet.... :rolleyes:

[Scarlet Mist]

Nope, I hate guns. They make it too easy to kill people. But if I was confronted by an assailant with a gun and I somehow got control of the gun I wouldn't hesitate to blow 15 or 16 in him. I would just tell the police that I was scared when this guy rolled up to me and when I got the gun I just pointed and squeezed ... a whole lot.

[shootodog]

where do you strike....?

where he's open?

[Thorstein]

Where to attack the attacker depends on how the attacer attacks you.... Got it???? :D Well, a fast (not to hard) strike to the solar plexus would for sure have put the attacker out for a while..! :D Then it's just for you to go away! :)

http://sus.univ.szczecin.pl/~maciejs/kombat/techniki_kombatu/chin_jab/palm_heel_strike_solar_plexus.gif

[Godhand]

i'd definately go for the knees, if they can't support their body they can't attack you. besides, it's very easy to make someone stumble with a good round house to the outside of the knee which opens up all new oppurtunities. though a low sidekick to the knee is just sickening... hyperextension is bad for your health :D

[shotokanwarrior]

not to hard

Why not too hard? Blow him the hell away!

By the way, that heel of hand to the solar plexus only works on a man, for The Obvious Reason.

[shotokanwarrior]

*sings* Senzenina?

The above is a song title meaning 'What Have We Done' in one of the South African languages. It should really be 'What Have I Done', but too good for making a point to pass up.

Why does every thread I post in instantaneously die? Is it divine retribution?

[Thorstein]

If you really think about it, the solar plexus is your diaphram, the organ that controls your lungs, disabling that means no breath which means pass out. So, hitting hard enough will stall it, and possible crush the lungs!!!!
That is why I would not do a full power strike to the solar plexus...
No reson to kill an attacker!!!!!!

:woo: :woo:

Okey? :)

[shotokanwarrior]

That is why I would not do a full power strike to the solar plexus...

I have been on the receiving end of a very hard one in the past and am still here starting arguments and provoking the moderators :) ...who told you it was a vital point? Did he/she have his/her hands registered as deadly weapons as well? :D

I think if I wanted to kill a guy I'd go up to him and start pouring out all my deep emotions :D he would keel over in a second. Sorry for the prejudice guys...call me a hypocrite but I couldn't resist

[Thorstein]

I have read it somewhere, can't remember where tho....... :confused:

I have read a lot of books on pressure points and martial arts during my years as an martial artist.. :cool:

BUT: go to this site (look below)

http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/Forum8/HTML/000314.html

here they seem to know a lot about it.... :) :) :)


and; can you really register your hands as leathal weapons???? :confused:

hehe :D :D

[Athleng Nordic]

Go for the gust-O and hit 'em fast and hard. Go for the softest place you can get to easily. :D

[shotokanwarrior]

and; can you really register your hands as leathal weapons????

As far as I know it's a myth of the same ilk as punching through armour. Thanks for the link.

[Shisochin]

any open pressure points...

[samuri-man]

ribs deffinatly the ribs

[glo_in_da_dark]

ok, i know it's cheap, but as a last resort, i'd go for the groin :eek:
i'd rather go for the solar plexus if i had time to prepare for a good strong attack, just enough to knock 'em down, not to kill them

[MarioBro]

If you can answer this question with an actual single target then you are not prepared to be attacked IMHO.

The key to defense is to be dynamic not static, so as a few have said or implied, whatever good target is available to strike at the time, and if there good target then I would try to avoid (maybe defensive blocking strikes only) and strike when there was an opening and I would not expose myself too greatly in doing so.

[Dave Rees]

I would go for groin, I would be tempted to go for throat but it would be very easy to kill someone with a strike there & I dont fancy doing any time!

[Knight_Errant]

This has to be the longest-running troll thread ever.

[shotokanwarrior]

Yeah, what with Tai Gip being the idiot Book-fuist he is, he left out a lot of sensitive areas like the nose, jaw and radial nerves. He also posted a lot of crap. Meridians? Kicking the thighs? Yeah, if you're feeling suicidal. Tai Gip is a langer! *sings* Langer, Langer, would he ever stop acting the Langer!!!!!!!

[shotokanwarrior]

I think we should all post nonsense in this thread from now on. I'll start - HOOWAAH YAAAARGLE YAZZOOO 1234567 sdfjenrehagknadfjkghaei4ultyqebsdbiugrfeguykk djghkerughjk

[Pete Ticali]

Kind of leaves much to the imagination, but thats okay....

Closest weapon......closest target.......

Take what you can get.... and get whatever you take.

my .02

Pete Ticali

[Florida Warlock]

It really depends on the type of attack. The overhead attack with a bat, pole, pipe, etc. is a very common attack; in that case I'd disarm and then go for the stomach asap to end it quickly (if I can't get a good fight out of someone then I'm just not that interested...)

But I tend to go for the throat, and when they're choking I go for a knee and try to make them look like a flamingo. :) I don't get into too many fights though...

[Martial7]

ill have to quote a prison jailhouse rock proverb for this one " they land where they may", meaning that i follow simple rules, whatever hand is closest to your face...block, whatever hand is closest to his face...strike !

[Yashka]

Tai Gip is a langer! *sings* Langer, Langer, would he ever stop acting the Langer!!!!!!!

Hey...is this what Shotokan Warrior is in the Sin Bin for? Because if it is, you can let her out...it's not just a personal attack. I live in Ireland, so I understand. The Langer is a pub song by Tim O'Riordan. So, you can give SW a reprieve...?

[Yashka]

Oh, and my answer is the nose, jaw and the solar plexus. Neither of which are listed. God damn you, Tai Gip.

[call_me_rizki]

i'd rather pick throat.. :eek: :cry: :eek:
it got to be awful you know
or might nose it seems to be awful too to be hitted in there!! :eek: :cry: :eek: