[Freestyle/Sporting MA] advice needed in fighting

[jet]

i go for ju jitsu & pro wrestlin. a few months ago i got in a fight with a thug & i was able to beat him thanx to my little ju jitsu experience. actually, i put him in a chokehold that he gave up. so i know ju jitsu is real good in a sudden attack. but i don't know if it's possible to use the moves done on wwe tv. for example, u can never imitate austin's stunner in a streetfight. if u try to, your butt'll hurt so bad that u'll never be able to sit again. it's a sitting jawbreaker!! but i do think that i can use ddt when fighting on the ground. i wanna know if i can use ddt in my next fight against the guy who wants to fight me a little. we've got a serious guarrel that won't be settled till we go at it. he goes for tae kwon do also. so that's gonna be a tough fight. but i seriously think that i can hurt him bad if i manage to attack him suddenly w/ a kick to the guts followed by a ddt. the fight means much for me. & it's pretty serious & dangerous. so i need advice of people who know MA.:confused:

[LilBunnyRabbit]

You're actually planning to turn up to a pre-arranged fight?

[saikyou]

you sure? if he goes for tkd, he can easily dodge your kick. and if you do got him in the gut, i think its bad to use the ddt. you could kill that guy! you may crack his skull if you land in a cemented floor! besides, a ddt can easily be countered with a spine buster.(that is similar to morote gari in judo)
i suggest that you go for a submission.

[booksie_girl]

Jet, planing a fight is stupid. The only place you fight a planned fight is in a legitimate competition. Not only is there a huge risk of you being seriouly hurt, but you're in danger of legal problems no matter what happens.

I doubt that you're going to listen to me, but don't be an idiot!

[saikyou]

In my last post, i answered your question about the ddt strategy but does doesnt mean im encouraging you.(i forgot to type that in my last post. sorry)

you better listen to her.

[jet]

he's a real *******. i'd love to crack his skull. but i don't wanna be questioned by the police for beating a son of a b****. i've been thinking about it a lot. i don't think i can use a submission effectively on him. i agree that ddt's very dangerous. it'll be a streetfight, so i only can use ddt on a floor. but guys u made me think again. anyway thanx

[Wearing Grey]

You do know that professional wrestling is fake.......right??

WG

[saikyou]

yeah. its obvious that the piledrivers, ddt's, pedigree, etc. in pro wrestling is not really connecting. what i mean is if you will observe the undertaker's piledriver, the head of his opponent is not really hitting the floor. if all of those moves are really connecting then you will always see a name of a pro wrestler in the obituary.

[Trent Tiemeyer]

So...You want to place your opponent in a front headlock, and pull him on top of you. Sound strategy.

[nzric]

I agree, stay out of it - anything can happen in a streetfight (including slipping on the floor or a lucky punch) and whatever the argument is about, it's not worth risking permanent damage.

But if you are in a situation where you have to fight, I'd say keep it close. If you do grappling, once you're past his hands and feet, he's yours. Just put a lock on and hope he panics.

Otherwise, I reckon a suplex would be much cooler.

[Coops320]

I say get him in an airplane spin, then throw him into the ropes and clothesline him...when he goes down...go for the pin!!!

[Kof_Andy]

Is is pretty serious and dangerous like you said, then stay out of it. What have you got to prove to fight a pre-arrange right?

[Visage]

I don't know what people are taught these days. One of the founding rules of Martial Arts is "DEFENSE ONLY. NEVER ATTACK". By going into a planned fight, you are breaking this rule and stand to lose more than just a fight. You could have your training license revoked and as mentioned before, be at risk of legal action. That is assuming that neither of you is seriously hurt.
Another thing, a thug on the street is different from a trained martial artist. It will take more than a sleeper hold to stop a TaeKwonDo student. My advice; Stay away.

[STASH]

I used to be in the same boat as you jet, I used to get into fights for no reason at all...grew out of it now, thank god. I'm not going to judge you or tell you what to do or what not to do, you have to go through it all yourself before you realize.

Here's some advice though...TKD has has absolutely no groundfighting in it, NONE. All you have to do is take him down, forget striking him. Beat him at his weakest range.

[booj]

Sometimes a mans gotta do what a mans gotta do!!!

Personally I wouldn't be concerned about your man's TKD experience - Just shoot and take him down - he won't be able to use his triple spin jump kicks, and will be like a duck outta water.

Also remember the use of foreign objects to facilitate the crushing of your opponent; steel chairs, buckets, championship belts and mexican commentators tables have all proven effective weapons.

You could also get a couple of pals to hide backstage and 'Pearl harbour' your opponent at the appropriate time (preferably when the referree has been temporarily KO'd).

Bear this in mind, and Im sure you will be the champ before SummerSlam.

Good luck!

[pimphand]

Man, when it comes to just throwin it down, wrasslin' has to be one of the most effective forms of combat.
Try a double axe handle off of a bar stool, that'll bring a chump to his knees quicker then just about anything...

good luck, bash him up and like booj says, don't be shy about using the foreign objects - ooohhhhhhh yeah!

[Darren]

Is this gonna take place behind the bike shed after school? Can I come and shout 'fight! fight! fight!'? :rolleyes:

If you have a serious dispute with this person and it can't be resolved by talking then surely a court is a better place for 'fighting'?

Failing that, bring a gun.





That last sentence was a joke btw.

[marais]

hey there jet.
im gonna go a little spiritual on you here but not in a religeous way.it sounds to me as if you and this guy have had a pet hate going now for a while.but my suggestion to is that "you" let it go,walk away,ignore the feeling of hate.feelings like that just have no place in a healthy life(it disruptes your good ki energy).anyway the whole point of fighting him is to make him feel like dog duty isnt it?if you fight,you give him what he wants and in turn he is made happy weather he wins or loses.so just ignore his entire existence on this planet and then you will feel better also.

[Thomas]

Originally posted by STASH
Here's some advice though...TKD has has absolutely no groundfighting in it, NONE. All you have to do is take him down, forget striking him. Beat him at his weakest range.

Personally I wouldn't be concerned about your man's TKD experience - Just shoot and take him down - he won't be able to use his triple spin jump kicks, and will be like a duck outta water.

To the original poster: First and foremost, I would not recommend showing up to a pre-arranged fight. You could be injured (even permanantly) as could the opponent. You could be arrested and have the legal problems that causes follow you around for the rest of your life (trust me on this one). The smart choice is to suck in your pride and walk away.

However, if for some reason you do have to fight (if you get jumped or whatever), assume NOTHING about a fighter because of the style they train in. If he trains in TKD, yes he may have good kicks and punches. Never assume that he has no ground skills... contrary to the above quotes, some TKD schools do train for the gound. Some martial artists CROSS-TRAIN. If you have no formal training in ground fighting (your profile is blank), I would recommend taking anyone down to the ground, especially a martial artist who may or may not be trained in ground work. Assuming that an opponent CANNOT do something because you never saw someone of that style do it on TV doesn't mean they can't.

Bottom line: don't fight unless it's to defend your life or loved ones. A 'backyard brawl' over something which will seem petty in a few years is just not worth it.

Bottom Line #2 : Take no one for granted whatever theie style and regardless of whether they've had training or not. In a fight, you never can be sure just what you are getting in to.

[MichaelV]

Has nobody noticed that this was originally posted in September? I'm guessing he's either already fought this guy, or it's blown over by now.

[STASH]

Thomas, I agree with everything you're saying but it's obvious that this is just another case of "boys will be boys". Everyone has to go through it at some point.

[Thomas]

STASH: Yes... I reckon you're right. (Glad to see you posting again... I haven't seen many of your posts for a while)

I wonder how the original poster's situation turned out...

[booj]

Well he hasn't been back...that should tell you something?

[Skinneh]

He proli wont the belt and has no time for us peons anymore ...

[Sun Hwang]

Just a question. What happened to using MA as a way toward personal liberation? Although being all the kicks and punches etc. are one aspect of MA they should not be the reason that you desire to do MA.

[redbull]

a ddt, yeah i remember that from back in the days watching jake the snake in WWF. Now thats a deadly throw if i've ever seen one, and who said you couldnt use WWF wrestling effectively in a fight. smashing your opponents head in the concrete is not a good idea unless you are in a life or death situation, you could end up in jail for some serious time. Try something like a figure four leg lock or a scorpion.

[booj]

Wot about pretending to go for the figure four leg lock, and then turning ya man over into the sharpshooter, a classic move pioneered by Bret 'the hitman' Hart in the early 90's - a real crowd pleaser....

My fave, tho, has to be the camel clutch - man, throw one of those on in a street scenario and you'll be a legend in the asphalt arena!

[acarpe]

pro-wrestling is widely regarded as useless against an experienced martial arts practitioner- try executing a DDT against a wing-chunner while they are chain punching you and you'll know what I mean. These moves are not designed to hurt people- merely to look good. If you want to learn some real grappling, try brazilian ju-jitsu, or use a fighting system to end the fight while standing. but the main question is- are you that weak that you cannot resolve this with words? a pre-meditated fight seems pretty pathetic to me, and you'll be waist high in it if the police hear about it as far as the law is concerned.

[crovax612]

pro-wrestling is widely regarded as useless against an experienced martial arts practitioner- try executing a DDT against a wing-chunner while they are chain punching you and you'll know what I mean. These moves are not designed to hurt people- merely to look good. If you want to learn some real grappling, try brazilian ju-jitsu, or use a fighting system to end the fight while standing. but the main question is- are you that weak that you cannot resolve this with words? a pre-meditated fight seems pretty pathetic to me, and you'll be waist high in it if the police hear about it as far as the law is concerned.


I don't know about it being completely useless. Pro-wrestling in Japan for example is a bit different than the US in the sense that some organizations actually have real fights. A good fighter who's used "pro-wrestling" as his style has been Kazushi Sakuraba, who's a living legend in MMA (though he's now showing his age and injuries). Some moves have worked, though. For example in Pride 27 Mark Kerr got knocked out via a DDT. Granted, it was to a large extent his fault because of the way he executed the takedown, but he still got caught in a ddt (and knocked out). Some of the submissions can also be used effectively. i remember I used to make my friends squirm via anklelocks when i was a kid, and this was before I watched the UFC. And of course, there's always the sleeper hold.

Anyway, i agree with the opinion that you shouldn't go along with this streetfight. I hope you didn't, seeing as how it's been awhile since this thread was started.

[karate_fiend]

yes yes but a lot of those moves are just made up just for looks but some of it can be useful i guess. but in self defense i think that some of the simpler moves are the most efective like groin strikes eye gouges etc etc because in a self defense situation your just gonna wanna use what works and is going to protect you not a crowd pleaser. but yes i agree with everyone else going into a premediated fight is stupid and foolish.

[Krazy5051]

Greetings everyone,

'Professional Wrestling' is a term used for sports entertainment. You can't use professional wrestling on anyone. You can however, use the amatuer, sambo or any other martial art technique that these athletes usually have.

The kid was quite right in thinking he could imitate the moves he had saw on TV. He has no fighting experience, hasn't been to any sort of self defence class by the sounds of it and has no real support. As someone earlier posted 'a man gotta' do what a man gotta' do' and in this instance, the kid needs to go all out, Stone Cold style.

I bet the kid won and cracked a few beers open afterwards. Now give me a hell yea!

Yours in martial arts,

Kid.

[acarpe]

you guys watch way too much pro wrestling ;)

[K93200]

i go for ju jitsu & pro wrestlin. a few months ago i got in a fight with a thug & i was able to beat him thanx to my little ju jitsu experience. actually, i put him in a chokehold that he gave up. so i know ju jitsu is real good in a sudden attack. but i don't know if it's possible to use the moves done on wwe tv. for example, u can never imitate austin's stunner in a streetfight. if u try to, your butt'll hurt so bad that u'll never be able to sit again. it's a sitting jawbreaker!! but i do think that i can use ddt when fighting on the ground. i wanna know if i can use ddt in my next fight against the guy who wants to fight me a little. we've got a serious guarrel that won't be settled till we go at it. he goes for tae kwon do also. so that's gonna be a tough fight. but i seriously think that i can hurt him bad if i manage to attack him suddenly w/ a kick to the guts followed by a ddt. the fight means much for me. & it's pretty serious & dangerous. so i need advice of people who know MA.:confused:

some of those moves can work from wwe,
but not all of them, see the reason WWE tv says not to try it at home is because these athletes fix their matches because the fights are not real, their moves are usually planned, they still get injured but it is safer this way when both people agree to move the same way. But their are some moves that do work for example, when Kurt Angle was still wrestling he did that ankle lock thingy, I've used that on a guy before it worked good after i took him down. Also, some of those hip tosses and side mounts work great too, but some of the specials like the tombstones and things like that, don't always work too good, some of these moves are hard when other people do them because their usually meant for other wrestlers themselves. The wrestlers create these moves based on their own abilities, but yea some moves do work in a street fight, submissions always work if you can do them right. Big slams dont always work but some of them do. Whatever you are taught in jiu jitsu and pro wrestling, those are the real things.

[Ikken Hisatsu]

the problem with pro wrestling moves is not their lack of effectiveness- if someone tombstoned you onto a pavement chances are you would never walk again- but more how difficult it is to actually get someone into that position. slams DO WORK. watch some of quinton jacksons fights. you just need immense strength to do so.

[cxw]

the problem with pro wrestling moves is not their lack of effectiveness- if someone tombstoned you onto a pavement chances are you would never walk again- but more how difficult it is to actually get someone into that position. slams DO WORK. watch some of quinton jacksons fights. you just need immense strength to do so.

And the odds that your typical 16 year old has the strength required are what? The pro wrestlers are naturally big strong guys who become massive and extremely strong through some not so natural injections.

[sean]

TKD has has absolutely no groundfighting in it, NONE. All you have to do is take him down, forget striking him. Beat him at his weakest range.

Mine does............... :p

[tekkengod]

well, u are right, tkd has NO ground AT ALL, but yes, most MAists cross-train. me for instance, i just joined a TKD class about 3 weeks ago and am still a white belt. but unbeknownst to my opponents i am an experianced Tai-Chi practiciner and hold a
Nidan in jujitsu, whos to say this guy dosen't have the exact same crudentials? do you know for a fact that he dosen'?

[ShhDragon]

If you want to go to a pre-arranged street fight then I submit that you deserve to be in a 'pre-arranged street fight.'

[SparcZ]

Sometimes a mans gotta do what a mans gotta do!!!

Personally I wouldn't be concerned about your man's TKD experience - Just shoot and take him down - he won't be able to use his triple spin jump kicks, and will be like a duck outta water.

Also remember the use of foreign objects to facilitate the crushing of your opponent; steel chairs, buckets, championship belts and mexican commentators tables have all proven effective weapons.

You could also get a couple of pals to hide backstage and 'Pearl harbour' your opponent at the appropriate time (preferably when the referree has been temporarily KO'd).

Bear this in mind, and Im sure you will be the champ before SummerSlam.

Good luck!

LMFAO!!!! HAAHHAHA that's too funny! :D

[silentwarrior]

Ok so this is alot off topic but i have to ask it. Kid krazy did you ever pro wresle under that name. i was flippin through tv stations and saw a low budget wresling show where an anouncer mentioned the name Kid Krazy.

That being siad i think one should fight only to defend themselves. also i agree with Ikken that the Pro Wressling moves might work but you are gonna have alot of trouble trying to execute them.