Styles / Schools of Ju Jitsu

[Bouk Teef]

I am intersted in finding out how many different schools / styles there are in Ju jitsu. Can anyone post a link explaining where and when Ju Jitsu originated.

Thanks

[Aegis]

You might have trouble... At one time in the height of jujutsu popularity in Japan there were several hundred registered ryu. Finding out information on every style would be just about impossible...

[cal_JJJ]

Bouk Teef:

Aegis is right, & here are just a few:

Tenshin Shoden Katori Shinto Ryu (Poss. first school in the 1400's)
Muso-Jikiden Ryu (Foundation of armored techniques: Yawara-gi)
Daito Ryu (Foundation of Aikido)
Takenouchi Ryu (Takeuchi Ryu)
Sekiguchi Ryu
Oguri Ryu (Foundation of Wajitsu)
Nagao Ryu ( Foundation of Taijitsu)
Kito Ryu ( Foundation of Kodokan)
Jikishin Ryu ( First use of the word "judo")
Tenjin Shin'yo Ryu

[morphus]

There are juust too many to mention.

[TheMachine]

and each ryu has a certain specialty

[Jim]

try also www.jujitsuinfo.com

[Sub zero]

One comonly practiced today s goshin ryu.Meaning "MOdern" i believe.It is no less traditional.

[Qasim]

Originally posted by cal_JJJ
Bouk Teef:

Aegis is right, & here are just a few:

Tenshin Shoden Katori Shinto Ryu (Poss. first school in the 1400's)
Muso-Jikiden Ryu (Foundation of armored techniques: Yawara-gi)
Daito Ryu (Foundation of Aikido)
Takenouchi Ryu (Takeuchi Ryu)
Sekiguchi Ryu
Oguri Ryu (Foundation of Wajitsu)
Nagao Ryu ( Foundation of Taijitsu)
Kito Ryu ( Foundation of Kodokan)
Jikishin Ryu ( First use of the word "judo")
Tenjin Shin'yo Ryu

Don't forget Sosuishi Ryu

[Mekugi]

Araki ryu
Asayami Ichiden Ryu
Fusen Ryu
Iga ryuha Katsushin ryu
Sekiguchi Shin shin ryu
Shiden Fudo Ryu Taijutsu
Shosho Ryu
Takagi Ryu
Yagyu Shingan ryu
Yoshin Ryu

This could be a while.... :)

[Rhea]

And then there's modern too.

I have a long list in one of my books, and their specialities.
I'll try and dig it out.

[Rhea]

Aisu-Kage - sword
Araki - chained weapons
Daito - close combat
Hakatsu - close combat
Hasegawa - sword
Hioki - archery
Hoki - sword
Hozo-in - spear
Isshin - chained weaopns
Itto - sword
Jikishin - close combat
Juki - close combat
Kajima - archery
Katori-Shinto - sword
Kito - close combat
Kyushin - close combat
Kobo - swimming
Koto-Eiri - sword
Kukishin - staff
Kankai - swimming
Masaki - chained weapons
Miura - close combat
Mukai - swimming
Muso-Jukiden-Eishin - sword
Muso-Shinden - sword
Nen - sword
Nichioku - archery
Nihon - archery
Nito - sword
Omori - sword
Sasanuma - swimming
Sekiguchi - close combat
Shibukawa - close combat
Shinden - swimming
Shindo-Muso - staff
Shinkage - sword and spear
Shin-no-Shindo - close combat
Shinto - sword
Soken - archery
Suifu - swimming
Takeda - swimming
Takenouchi - close combat
Tendo - spear
Taimya - sword
Tenjin-Shinyo - close combat
Tenshin-Shoden-Katori-Shinto - sword and spear
Toda - chained weapons
Yagyu - sword
Yagyu-Shingan - close combat
Yamanouchi - swimming
Yoshin - close combat

These are the specialities of bujutsu these ryu were noted for.

[Mekugi]

These are the specialities of bujutsu these ryu were noted for.


What book are these from?

[Kogusoku]

Looks like Ratti & Westbrook's "Secrets of the Samurai!"

[Mekugi]

Looks like Ratti & Westbrook's "Secrets of the Samurai!"

Eww....not the best of books.

[Zannen!]

Eww....not the best of books.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jujutsu

And, this isn`t the best of sources either but should get you started. Can you read japanese?

[Mekugi]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jujutsu

And, this isn`t the best of sources either but should get you started. Can you read japanese?

Err...get me started? Don't follow you there...I believe you've got some wires crossed! :)

That Wiki article needs a major re-write. Steve...little project when you get back? We can start pounding away at it little by little and make it better if you have some time.

Anyway, "read Japanese" depends on your defintion. I can read Hirigana and Katakana- so in one sense I can read. Yet that does not mean I understand everything I read. When it comes to Kanji...that's an entirely different beast. I have to continually refer to a dictionary to get proper meaning.

I can, however, recognize and pronounce some kanji. I recognize more than I can pronounce, though- and Kanji combinations are something entirely different as well.

[Mekugi]

Can anyone post a link explaining where and when Ju Jitsu originated.

Thanks

The best place to start reading/researching is Sumo. Originally called Sumai, it was the likely candidate or "base" for Koryu Jujutsu schools. Sumai's roots stem from Shinto Fertility Ceremonies that were prevalent around the 4th and 5th centuries, set into a tournament form in the 8th century. What we know as Jujutsu (and sumo) today has little to do with the original Sumai. This is probably because of the use of weapons and necessity of the times fueled the development it underwent. Bushi through the early ages of Jujutsu were versed in grappling, butwhat they were doing was probably not recorded as an actual "school." There may have been some formalized teaching, but it seemed to be just "stuff" that they would do almost always taking second fiddle to weapons. The major records that we have (some of schools that they belong to still exist) really start out in the 15th and 16th centuries, when Japan was war torn and schools/methods started to be "accurately" recorded and recognized. Jujutsu at this point was probably rough and tumble and very simplistic, In the 17th century, you have the start of a lengthy era of peace, so Jujutsu went through a major change. Further on down the line in the late 18th century, there is a sort of "renaissance" of Jujutsu in Japan, as some schools appear to separate from their weaponed counterparts and new ones are created altogether. In the 19th century you have an increased travel within Japan because the archaic, feudal boundaries are lifted and students began visiting other schools to challenge them and learn. There was also a great surge of foreign culture in Japan to catalyst things, leading to further development. Then you have the appearance of Dr. Kano and Kodokan Judo, which infiltrated the school system and the Tokyo Police department.
Contrary to popular belief, Jujutsu didn't flourish in feudal Japan. It did exist and it must have been a necissity at one point or another, but truly the time that is seems to really have evolved is in time of peace...namely the Edo Jidai (17th&18th century) and early Meiji Jidai (Late 19th and early 20th century).
I think that about covers it...did I leave anything out?

[Rhea]

My list came from several actually I have lying around. Secrets of the Samurai was one, some appear in all. Don't ask me to remember the titles, I was at someone else's house and nearly asleep at the time. I actually would rather know what is wrong so I can correct it myself!

[Mekugi]

My list came from several actually I have lying around. Secrets of the Samurai was one, some appear in all. Don't ask me to remember the titles, I was at someone else's house and nearly asleep at the time. I actually would rather know what is wrong so I can correct it myself!

Here are some examples:

Kukishin- Staff

Shinkage- sword and spear.

Shindo Muso- staff

Kukishin Ryu is famous for many things, the staff, sword, naginata and spear to name a few. (The same goes for Tenshinsho Den Katori Shinto Ryu).

Shinkage ryu is famous for it's sword. The Owarikan ryu is famous for the spear, but does Shinkage ryu. So, the other lines of Shinkage ryu do not have the spear in them.

Shinto Muso Ryu is famous for the jo (short staff) along with the assimilated ryu that it teaches., there is no regular staff.

Things like that. A better, more accurate list can be found at koryu.com's (http://www.koryu.com/guide/ryuguide.html) ryu guide.

[Rhea]

Wow, thanks! Where's my pencil...

[nj_howard]

A better, more accurate list can be found at koryu.com's (http://www.koryu.com/guide/ryuguide.html) ryu guide.
Interesting that they include Daito-ryu as a koryu. I understand that there is quite a lively debate - among well-informed people - about whether it is koryu or gendai. Seems that some breaks in the line of transmission down the generations of the Takeda clan are central to the debate.

[Zannen!]

Err...get me started? Don't follow you there...I believe you've got some wires crossed! :)

That Wiki article needs a major re-write. Steve...little project when you get back? We can start pounding away at it little by little and make it better if you have some time.

Anyway, "read Japanese" depends on your defintion. I can read Hirigana and Katakana- so in one sense I can read. Yet that does not mean I understand everything I read. When it comes to Kanji...that's an entirely different beast. I have to continually refer to a dictionary to get proper meaning.

I can, however, recognize and pronounce some kanji. I recognize more than I can pronounce, though- and Kanji combinations are something entirely different as well.

Not for you but, for the person asking originally. I miss quoted something probably.

[Kogusoku]

That Wiki article needs a major re-write. Steve...little project when you get back? We can start pounding away at it little by little and make it better if you have some time.

Hmmm, what would recommend be re-written? We shouldn't have it too koryu biased since the Meiji restoration saw the migration of Kodokan judo and jujutsu to Europe, the United Kingdom and the United States as well as other countries. In short, it would have to be a mother of an article.

[nickh]

Can anyone post a link explaining where and when Ju Jitsu originated.



It's quite simple -- Ju Jitsu originated in western countries in the 20th century. It was mainly developed from mixing techniqes from judo, aikido and karate as well as weapons from Okinawa like sai, tonfa and nunchaku. It tends to stress "Victory through yielding" and refers to itself as "The Gentle Art."

[Mekugi]

It's quite simple -- Ju Jitsu originated in western countries in the 20th century. It was mainly developed from mixing techniqes from judo, aikido and karate as well as weapons from Okinawa like sai, tonfa and nunchaku. It tends to stress "Victory through yielding" and refers to itself as "The Gentle Art."

Ummm....no. That's not correct, sorry.

[Mekugi]

Hmmm, what would recommend be re-written? We shouldn't have it too koryu biased since the Meiji restoration saw the migration of Kodokan judo and jujutsu to Europe, the United Kingdom and the United States as well as other countries. In short, it would have to be a mother of an article.

Statements like these:
Another seldom seen historical side is a series of techniques originally included in both Sengoku and Edo jujutsu systems. Referred to as hojo waza (捕縄術 hojojutsu, nawa jutsu, hayanawa and others), it involves the use of a hojo cord,

Hojo cord? Egads.There is very little citation in the article as well. That needs to be cleaned up.

Interestingly enough, I was recently going through Serge Mol's book "Classical Fighting Arts of Japan." I was browsing through the Bibliography and noticed a book named Asayama Ichiden Ryu Taijutsu by Atsumi Nakashima, published in 1996 by Tokuyama, Risachi. I could not find this book in the National Library nor any reference to it; I tried to look up the publisher but there was nothing either. Ever heard of it or seen it?

-R

[Moi]

Ummm....no. That's not correct, sorry.

Much if not most of the Uk's jujitsu is like that.

[Mekugi]

Much if not most of the Uk's jujitsu is like that.

That I would go along with~! :)

[Gussigan]

It's quite simple -- Ju Jitsu originated in western countries in the 20th century. It was mainly developed from mixing techniqes from judo, aikido and karate as well as weapons from Okinawa like sai, tonfa and nunchaku. It tends to stress "Victory through yielding" and refers to itself as "The Gentle Art."

haha, i may be new to it all, but didn't judo and aikido both originate from jujutsu?

[MatsunoCj]

Ummm....no. That's not correct, sorry.

yea id have to agree, some of those arts came from jujitsu

[nickh]

haha, i may be new to it all, but didn't judo and aikido both originate from jujutsu?

Yes, they both originated from jujutsu. However, they, in turn, gave rise to ju jitsu.

[Kogusoku]

Yes, they both originated from jujutsu. However, they, in turn, gave rise to ju jitsu.

Nicky old boy, you're going the right way for a smacked bottom. :woo:

[Toby Threadgill]

Hi Steve, Russ.....,

I can't resist this......

So, Mr Nick. Could you please provide the kanji for ju jitsu?

Ohhhhh.....I forgot. There's no such kanji that makes any friggin' sense in Japanese. So jujitsu is......what exactly? Kinda like calling football..... fetboil.

Let me see if I can do this justice. What do you fink kuzouit the fetboil game last bweek detween. Boiminghum and Manbescher.

Sorry. You get the "I failed Japanese" buzzer.

Zzzzzzzzz.

:)

Toby Threadgill / TSYR

[fifthchamber]

Mr. Threadgill,

(Excellent impersonation of a man from Northern England there actually..Not too far off, and I understood you better!).

It's easy. 充実... Or 慈雨実　or 自由実

Of course, you are correct in that none of them mean anything worthy or talking about..

Nick's a good bloke too, he's ripping the piss out of the men in the UK who usually go by the name of "Sensei Frank/Bob/Dick/Harry" and those of their ilk who believe that Aikido, with a little Judo and Karate added to it, along with some Bokkenjutsu (Really..I'm not making this up) make something worthy of the name "Jujitsu"...And I guess they are right, seeing as it ain't a complete word that means what they want it to mean..

Some people should have been put down at birth...A touch spartan perhaps, but it is shown to be true daily.

My regards..

[nickh]

Kinda like calling football..... fetboil.



Actually, to my (South African) ears, both are equally incorrect pronunciations of 'soccer.'

P.S. Welcome to MAP, Mr Threadgill.

[Toby Threadgill]

LOL...

Its nice to make your aquaintence gentlemen....Sorry I missed the sarcasm. Always nice to consort with those whose sense of humor outweighs their seriousness.

Nick, we could go on the road as a comedy team. We'll call ourselves the "ex-colonials" and make fun of words like Worchestershire pronounced "Woostershur"

Comedy is such a tough gig in the cyberworld that I'm glad anytime somebody gets my jokes. I knew Delaney would but that's only because he's Irish and we've consumed staggering amounts of Guiness until obscene hours of the morning. He also laughed the time I demonstated my superior tenouchi by whacking him right in the eye with a bokken...Now that's a sense of humor.

Oh....And then there's the time we were in Taunton to personally observe the Estonian kitty vs the violated Mallorcan's.

I'm not saying another word.......

[fanatical]

Actually, jujitsu is like calling football ソッカ. It's the attempt to write the same word in a different language's typeset while at the same time changing the word, however to a word people allready agree on means the same. (soccer/football).

The oldest translation of 柔術 is Jiu-jitsu. Then came Jujitsu, and in later days when a standardized official romanization set came along, people have started typing it jujutsu.

The u sound was the last to change, how do you think of that logically without looking at facts? If it was the first, it would have been called Jiu-jutsu and made the leap straight to Jujutsu.

If we were to be completely anal about the japanese language, like fifthchamber, Jujutsu is also wrong, since that would be: 呪術 The art of incantations. I've always heard that 柔 was written with an elongated U sound, AKA: じゅう not じゅ

I guess we should start writing it Juujutsu or simply not be childish about the name used to describe the art in a foreign language. It's amazing how those crazy south-africans and americans are allowed to call it soccer. It's the wrong word! lol omg!

[Kogusoku]

I knew Delaney would but that's only because he's Irish and we've consumed staggering amounts of Guiness until obscene hours of the morning. He also laughed the time I demonstated my superior tenouchi by whacking him right in the eye with a bokken...Now that's a sense of humor.

Hey I've got a thick skull and a thicker hide. If I didn't laugh, I'd cry!

Oh....And then there's the time we were in Taunton to personally observe the Estonian kitty vs the violated Mallorcan's.

I'm not saying another word.......

Ooh yes, I have wondered if there was any scarring from that little escapade. Boy those claws were sharp!

[fifthchamber]

Oh....And then there's the time we were in Taunton to personally observe the Estonian kitty vs the violated Mallorcan's

There's a strip club in Taunton? Never would have guessed..

Almost too many violated Mallorcans in Stringfellows I should think...

And welcome to MAP..

;)

[fifthchamber]

If we were to be completely anal about the japanese language, like fifthchamber, Jujutsu is also wrong, since that would be: 呪術 The art of incantations. I've always heard that 柔 was written with an elongated U sound, AKA: じゅう not じゅ

And aye, it is...It should be じゅうじゅつ　(　柔術　).
I prefer to write it with a line indicating the extended "U" sound, but since I can't be arsed to do that on the PC it's simply easier to write it as "Jujutsu" and let you imagine I wrote the line above the "U"...

Besides..."Toukyou" means nothing to anyone.."Tokyo" however...

It's a pain in the ketsu for sure..

[Kogusoku]

The Estonian kitty was a real big pain in the ketsu too, let me tell you! :rolleyes:

[fifthchamber]

I dated a woman from Turkey once who was a little like that..