Beginning Martial Arts

[hongkongfuey]

This section is for those who are about to start off down the 'long and winding road' that is Martial Arts. Feel free to ask any question, no matter how daft (within reason) you may think it is.

We are all here to learn, and even the seemingly amazing rank of black belt is just another step on the journey.

Some basic advice :

There is no 'best martial art'. Everyone is different and has different needs.

If you want to find out if a martial art suits you, then go along and try it. Most arts encourage beginners and will let you have a lesson for free (or at least not require you to pay a 'membership fee')

Welcome to the site, and to the world of Martial Arts.

HKF. :D

[WhiteWizard]

nice idea HKF :)

[David]

A good plan! But, should we not begin by spelling "beginners" correctly? :D

HKF, your face (avatar) looks vaguely familiar... hmm, no, don't tell me, I'll have it in a minute...

Rgds,
David

[hongkongfuey]

David - thanks - now fixed.

[KenpoDavid]

I have a question

How is it possible to injure yourself through breathing?

thanks

David

[Saz]

When you stop doing it :D

[David]

hehe k_girl

Incorrect breathing can cause various problems.

Apart from hyperventilation and such, breathing with tension can allow you to sample heart attack, hernia, heomorrhaging blood vessels, ruptured and degraded (torn) organs.

How about poor digestion and and perhaps halitosis.

Your rate of breathing has a bearing on your nervous state eg fast breathing can eventually turn you into a nervous wreck.

Breathing in through the mouth can admit harmful foreign bodies and exhaling through the mouth loses your body moisture and heat. That maybe a factor, dependent on situation.

Breathing damp air will chill your bones.

I heard of a man who practiced breathing methods solidly for a couple of days and, upon finishing, realised to his horror that his unconscious breathing mechanism had switched off. He had an interesting two or three days kick-starting the autonomous process.

Rgds,
David

[KenpoDavid]

I've heard some (mostly Chnese internal arts) people say that you can injure yourself if you do the breathing wrong... is this what they mean, David?

[David]

Well, there's more than that about messing up your chi flow but what I said is all I can say on the subject.

I was actually thinking about karate with regards busting the heart because of someting I heard a few years ago but I can't remember who or what.

Rgds,
David

[PantherFist]

The Iron Wire set of the kung fu style Hung Gar(Kuen), is the most advanced of the system, its an internal form using lots of specialised breating patterns. If the form is pracitised wrong, it can and has caused some serious damage to the practioner. Thats why its the most advanced form so that practioners can work there way up to it.

A lot of chinese styles contain some form of Qi Gong(Chi Gung), In fact it has styles all of it own, and if this is practised wrongly all sorts of serious complications can occur to both mind and body.

Before commencing any form of internal training make sure that your teacher is qualified, it may save you from some sort of damage in the future.

[tai-gip]

yes i heard about this indian art (cant remember what its called) that is based on using the voice as a weapon to cause disruptive vibrations in internal orgarns due to us being 70% or something near it water .... is this possible

[LilBunnyRabbit]

yes i heard about this indian art (cant remember what its called) that is based on using the voice as a weapon to cause disruptive vibrations in internal orgarns due to us being 70% or something near it water .... is this possible

In theory, yes. In practice the human voice isn't capable of such things and someone's been watching the original Dune movie too much.

[tai-gip]

Lol no ckd no Dune but the voice can cause harmonic vibrations that can shatter glass so why couldnt it work on a water logged vessel such as the human body... And are you quoting facts you have tested or trying to tell us that because you think that its not true it isnt ... as per previous discussions with regard to the need for proof unless you have visited these classes how can you say the human voice cant do that...

[teacher]

Tai-gip we have no way of focusing the sound of our voice.
You need to match a very specific frequency for a number of seconds.
I like your questioning nature but please dont just keep telling people that if they haven't proved something they cannot comment.
Blind accecptance is just as bad as determined ignorance.
My body gives off heat Tai-gip, could I boil water in my hand?
Go on tell me it is possible because no one has proved to you that it cant be done.

[tai-gip]

Actualy some people think its possible to boil water with the hand...

and thats kind of my point have you actualy seen god ..many people beleive in him though.....

what im saying is that i accept an opinion but you cant claim as if its a fact

you cant do it unless you have actully seen everyone on the earth who says they can do it and have seen that actualy they cant.....

Otherwise you would have to say that in your opinion you think its not possible hell logicaly it may seem ridiculous but you cant say "no you cant do it" because you dont actualy know that for a fact

Plus im talking about a school ive heard about i didnt state an opinion
Hope im not coming across as firery its just that there is a very big differance between opinion and fact and generally what we are doing on these forums is discussing our opinions:)

[Andy Murray]

Sound can have a very dramatic effect on the human body.

I'm no Physics teacher or Student, but I deal with sound every day.

Sound can make you sick, frightened, depressed, disorientated irritable and many other things.

The human vocal chords are unable to focus sound in the same way as a signal generator, yet sounds including harmonics can be far more influential than a sig gen producing 4khz sine wave. The human vocal chords can create complex waveforms, yet it's not just about physics. Racial memory comes into play when you consider adrenal triggers as well.

the human body cannot be explained away by the physics of the world we currently live in.

[KenpoDavid]

Originally posted by Chaz
The Iron Wire set of the kung fu style Hung Gar(Kuen), is the most advanced of the system, its an internal form using lots of specialised breating patterns. If the form is pracitised wrong, it can and has caused some serious damage to the practioner. Thats why its the most advanced form so that practioners can work there way up to it.

A lot of chinese styles contain some form of Qi Gong(Chi Gung), In fact it has styles all of it own, and if this is practised wrongly all sorts of serious complications can occur to both mind and body.

Before commencing any form of internal training make sure that your teacher is qualified, it may save you from some sort of damage in the future.

What sort of serious complications, and how do they come about?

[Velid]

This is my understanding of what could happen

Qi flows along set paths, the pratice of QiGong is taking the Qi and puting it through a set path (whatever it may be).

Most of the danger comes from here. It could be as simple as having a headache, feeling cold, or shaking. Most of this comes from a concentration on one spot for too long, or a loss of concentration. One of the most dangerous situations is to have a stong qi build up while you are moving it. In this situation if you have lost concentration your chi can move where it wants go to organs and cause illness and deterioration of organs.

Again that is my understanding of what can happen if someone is hurt practicing QiGong

[Zedbee]

Chaz what is Qi Gong(Chi Gung)?

[Vince]

im not a beginner yet because im afraid im too old for it because they say you should start young to become very excelent... im 15 and i want to study kung fu or ninjutsu... am i still ok to study or am i too old to start... does age count? also i have some taekwando and arnis lessons but never really did finish it... no offence but i think i wasnt really meant for those kinds...

[Saz]

No, age does not count. I started at 20, others here have started at older than that. You're never too old to start, and certainly not at 15.

[Cain]

Yeah - I started at 16 and have no probs, your at your best in your teens

|Cain|

[Vince]

thanks Cain and Kgirl.

[Dirk Dagger]

Starting Martial Arts? try shotokan karate. It's not really easy but it's not hard to learn either. But one thing is for sure. It's the most practical fighting art there is. If you do choose to learn shotokan karate at its best, join JKA.

[Vince]

the weapons for ninjutsu or kung fu... will it be given through my progress or do i need them the minute i start?

[David]

As you progress, you'll start to learn weapons. Timescales vary but the first thing that you need to learn is how to control your body and make it stronger. Once that is going nicely, then you do weapons.

Good luck,
David

[Vince]

Thanks David.

Hey i feel silly about asking this question but i will still ask it...
Can you really fly when you study some martial arts? Are everything in the movies real?

(to make it clear this is not the reason why i am going to practice Martial Arts... My reason is that i want to live it out through out my life with honor, dignity and respect)

Thanks,
Vince

[RubyMoon]

Originally posted by Vince
Are everything in the movies real? What do you believe? Chances are, you're right.

[Vince]

thanks

[Vince]

I think the venue of the school i wished to enter was far from my house... Can i learn using video tapes of this kind of martial art? i mean can i actually learn using them? Or will i learn easier if it was real life training?

thanks

[zun]

Originally posted by Vince
Are everything in the movies real?

Yep. Only the ones who practise Wire-Fu.

[Brad Ellin]

"I'm no Physics teacher or Student, but I deal with sound every day.

Sound can make you sick, frightened, depressed, disorientated irritable and many other things.

The human vocal chords are unable to focus sound in the same way as a signal generator, yet sounds including harmonics can be far more influential than a sig gen producing 4khz sine wave. The human vocal chords can create complex waveforms, yet it's not just about physics. Racial memory comes into play when you consider adrenal triggers as well.

the human body cannot be explained away by the physics of the world we currently live in."

A good exampl of this is The Dave Matthews Band. Everytime I hear his voice I want to commit suicide or destry my radio.

As for weapons and ninjutsu, in my dojo and all the ones I have had the privelage to be part of, weapons are incorparated into the training in some shape of form from day one. Example, we were working on a variation of mushodori and our instructor had us walk thru the technique using a hanbo instead of empty hand, only we were not allowed to let the hanbo touch our uke. Try it, it gives a whole different feel to the technique and allows you to understand the mechanics of it better.

[Vince]

thanks

what is wire-fu? where can i read about that?

[LaRock]

Hello,

I am interested in learning a Martial Art. Here is some bio:

27 year old male
5'10", 190 lbs.
Naturally muscular and not very limber (but would love to be!)
asthmatic and have had lower back problems
clausterphobic (sp?)--wrestling doesn't appeal to me
most interested in defending self and loved ones, as well as learning the mental/spiritual side of the Art

I don't mind physically hurting someone if they are threatening me or a loved one. I'm not an aggressive person but I am very protective.

Any recommendations? Thanks in advance and I really like this site!

[Zypher]

It truly is possible to boil water in your hand...

by reducing the amount of pressure on water its particles are allowed to expand and move more causing boiling to take place at room temperature...

so as long as your on a mountain somewhere or in a controlled lab condition its actually possible.

and as to the voice attack, i highly doubt that a simple voice harmonic could cause human organs to simply break down or rupture, even if a tone could be reached it would take a prolonged period of time for this to take place...

Im not saying it isnt true, but it is highly unlikely

[Zypher]

im sorry i did'nt place a box pertaining to which comment i was replying to, but it was to the last one on the first page

[Adrift_Quasar]

My post will be similar to LaRock's. I am currently I student of Jungyae Moosul and have been training for about a year. I don't feel that I'm where I should be in terms of physical ability.

16 year old male
5'10, 230lbs
I'm overweight, but I've been shaping up since I started. My strength and endurance has improved as well as my flexibility. I know that I will never be a small guy since im just built big, therefore, my goal has been to build more lean mass and increase my over all strength and athletic ability. I've tried the whole low-weight, high-rep thing, and it hasn't improved my strength at all. What sort of excercise routine is best for a guy at my age with the goals I have set?

[black jesus]

I am 23, very out of shape...I do some light weight training though and no cardio, and need to get it together. I work in a bar, and I sometimes have to double as a bouncer. I know one choke hold that works every time, but one day it might not.

I live in Denton, TX, and would really like to start training, but aren't I at an odd age to start? Will I get the poo beaten out of me every day...isn't that part of conditioning? Will they make me train with the little kids? I don't know anything about this, but am very interested.

Thanks

[RubyMoon]

Originally posted by LaRock
Any recommendations? Thanks in advance and I really like this site! There are countless styles I think you would find satisfying. If you are interested mainly in self-defense, plus the mental/spiritual aspects, I would look for a good kung fu or karate school (there are hundreds of styles to choose from). Considering your interests, I suggest veering away from Tae Kwon Do, kickboxing, or Judo because these tend to be more sport oriented (there are exceptions, however).

The best advice I can give, however, is to simply visit a few schools, talk to the instructors, talk to the students, and go with your feelings. A dojo or kwoon is like a home, and your fellow students are family...so be sure you are comfortable with both.

[RubyMoon]

Originally posted by Adrift_Quasar
What sort of excercise routine is best for a guy at my age with the goals I have set? If you're been gaining strength, endurance, and flexibility with what you've been doing, then do more of that! You might consider adding some kind of cardio to the mix, as well, such as running or bicycling. Another good one is shadow boxing to music. This is not only good aerobic excercise, it also helps hone your fighting skill.

What is your diet like? Physical fitness is a combination of diet and excercise, yet people often overlook one or the other. Food for thought! ;)

"The more you do of what you're doing,
the more you'll get of what you've got." -- Brian Tracy

[RubyMoon]

Originally posted by black jesus
I live in Denton, TX, and would really like to start training, but aren't I at an odd age to start? Will I get the poo beaten out of me every day...isn't that part of conditioning? Will they make me train with the little kids? I don't know anything about this, but am very interested.

You are definately not too old (at 23) to begin training. You're still young and should be able to progress quite well. Most schools have seperate adult and children's classes of all skill levels, from beginning to advanced. You won't get the poo beaten out of you as a beginner. That will come later. ;)

[Adrift_Quasar]

With my diet I try to eat alot of lean protein and I avoid junk food and soda like the plague. Sunday is my free-day.

[Tony Gilbert]

i have been trainning for 3 months, my sensei has taught me 1 kata. my friend laughed at me when i told him that my sensei wont teach me another kata until he's happy with the 1 i have learnt. even if it takes a year.

[Tony Gilbert]

no you can not fly (pigs can)

[hongkongfuey]

i have been trainning for 3 months, my sensei has taught me 1 kata. my friend laughed at me when i told him that my sensei wont teach me another kata until he's happy with the 1 i have learnt. even if it takes a year.


I've been to an instructor that only teaches one kata, and you start learning it after you have spend 6 months doing punches in horse stance.

I've been to another instructor that teaches 3-4 Kata's from the day you join.

Which is better? Neither - they are just different approaches to teaching martial arts.

I personally think it makes sense to learn one Kata properly before moving on to the next, and that is how I used to teach. However, that is just my personal approach. There are pros and cons of both methods.

[Tiong]

Hey i feel silly about asking this question but i will still ask it...
Can you really fly when you study some martial arts? Are everything in the movies real?


Haha probably best shown recently in Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon. When I was growing up, I used to watch all the old movies and all us kids would be "Ahya do people really fly lah when they master gung fu koh koh?" Haha the wonders of child hood.

There is a story of a Chinese emperor, he believed in and loved Dragons. A great sign of wisdom, others didn't really share his views, some did. One day a dragon learnt of the Emperor's love of dragons and decided to pay him a visit. When he arrived, the Emperor ran off screaming. I believe in that, if you believe in something than it will be true.

So if you believe those masters could fly, then they probably could if they wanted too. Maybe they just choose not too in case they scare those who can't. Or simply won't believe.

[Lanakin]

**Opinion Based On Logic**

I don't want to stir up something. I really don't think you can "Fly", but rather, perhaps slow down your descent, somehow. If you could jump real high, then come down slowly, would that be flying? I think people can levitate, or the idea of levitating wouldn't even be considered. Again, opinion based on logic.

[Tiong]

**Opinion Based On Logic**

I don't want to stir up something. I really don't think you can "Fly", but rather, perhaps slow down your descent, somehow. If you could jump real high, then come down slowly, would that be flying? I think people can levitate, or the idea of levitating wouldn't even be considered. Again, opinion based on logic.

Hehe no please do 8)

I'm not really sure what defines "flying" in terms of your body being suspended in the air. And well my beliefs on the human body being able to fly, well it's a nice idea isn't it? But that a side, no i'm not convinced off, but I'm open to demonstrations.

[Tess]

Maybe give it a few million years and humans might be able to fly properly. There's those suits with the sort of webbed bits under the arms and stuff to create a sort of mini parachute (they probably have a technical name somewhere), perhaps someday we'll evolve to do that. :)

...I just think that'd be fun. ^^

I think how you jump pretty much determines how you fall, like in dance if you point your toes and go all delicate and stuff you tend to land smoothly and gracefully rather than just sort of splatting down. I don't think you can change how you fall too much though, be cool if you could. :)

[hedgehogey]

People seriously think the masters can semi-fly? I...They shoulda...sent...a...poet...

I am at a complete loss for words.

[toothpaste100]

**Opinion Based On Logic**

I don't want to stir up something. I really don't think you can "Fly", but rather, perhaps slow down your descent, somehow. If you could jump real high, then come down slowly, would that be flying? I think people can levitate, or the idea of levitating wouldn't even be considered. Again, opinion based on logic.

You mean like those people who get pretty much into a butterfly stretch and use the upward movement of their legs to propell them off the ground but tell themselves that is levitation because they paid five hundred bucks for seminar?

[Mohko]

Im thinking of starting a MA,but I don't know what would fit me

im 12 years old
i weight abt 45 kg
im about 160 cm long
im pretty flexible,i.e i can put my hand under my foot when im standing straight
I want to stay as CALM as possible

there are only few choices in my town they are:
Taek Won Do,Wadoryu karate,judo,Hokutoryu ju-jutsu

I prefer TKD,but what u think????

[dragon_bunny]

the weapons for ninjutsu or kung fu... will it be given through my progress or do i need them the minute i start?

don't know about other ninjutsu classes but we only start on weapons for grades when we get to about 6th kyu .. but our sensi does throw in random weapons classes :)

[Nrv4evr]

about the flying thingy, it really depends on your beliefs. sure, it could happen, if you spent 25 years of your life summoning that chi of yours, but why do that when i could wait 10 for some guy to invent hoverboots? seriously though, "flying" isn't impossible, it's just that no one's stupid enough to go try it.

[Lanakin]

I think Buzz Lightyear put it pretty good in Toy Story:

"It's not flying. It's falling with style."

:woo:

[Desipio]

I didnt want to start a new thread, so i decided this was the best place...

i'm looking for the proper martial art to practice... I'm a stocky out-of-shape Asian guy... actually, i weigh like 180lbs and 5'8... i used to do a lot of rock climbing, so my upper is more developed... and when i say im stocky, i mean, naturally stocky... im like plain peasant stock from Southern China, meant to carry a big load... im 19 turning on to 20, so im gonna lose the benefits of youth soon

anyways, im looking for a martial art that will fit me most appropriately... im not really agile nor coordinated, but pretty flexible... i was looking into the soft-types of martial arts more, but i'm unsure if that will fit me... i used to do Taekwondo from like age 8 to age 12, and got a Junior Black Belt.. but I quit, and I dont think I want to go back to that again... I did like 10 lessons of Hung Gar Kungfu, and though it was fun and felt good and all that... i feel like due to the small class and stuff, im just learning drills and nothing more (no philosophy, weapons training, etc etc)... of course, i never gave enough time for it to actually get anywhere besides the basic horse stance...

so i wonder, what do you guys have to suggest for a guy like me? I want to do martial arts because I want to participate in a healthy activity... self-defense is of course a plus, but its not a primary concern... i was doing wushu also cause of "heritage", but am willing to look outside traditional Chinese martial arts... most importantly, i want to learn to develop my body back into what I was like a kid, a frigging monkey that could take any beating (i got lazy n fat after stopping TKD and starting to do school)... graceful instead of clumsy, focused power instead of brute strength

im not looking for the best martial art... I'm looking for the most appropriate one for my body type and my goals... if you can advise me for a specific martial art that will be great... can you also suggest me a specific school i should look into in the Seattle (WA) area?

thanx a lot guys...

P.S. just for the hell of it, can Ninjitsu guys really disappear? and do they flip out and kill ppl? haha j.k, I did read the warnings...

[CKava]

Wow a first post that actually clearly states its not asking which art is the best thats gotta be a first! Welcome to MAP :D

Im actually not sure what artial art would suit what your looking for best so I think Ill leave that to some more qualified members to advise.

However, I dunno if you've considered it and Im actually not really sure if its the kinda thing your looking for but seeing as how you asked for schools in Seattle and I actually know of a decent one I think I'll mention it... theres a Wing Chun school ran by a Sifu Julio Ferrer when I was over in the summer I visited the club and aside from the very friendly atmosphere- that sifu seemed to know his stuff, thats his webpage if you want a look http://www.sifujuliowingchun.com/

[Chaos]

P.S. just for the hell of it, can Ninjitsu guys really disappear? and do they flip out and kill ppl? haha j.k, I did read the warnings...

You watch too many movies :) A ninja can't "disappear", persay, but they are masters at blending in with their surroundings to where it's believed you can look straight at a ninja and never see them. Also, true ninja would only kill when it was for the better of the "universe", since every action the ninja takes is considered to be some small part of the larger, governing universe. Of course there were the rouges and ones that just hired themselves out as hitmen, but every heritage has it's blacksheep. :eek:

[Lanakin]

Don't most ninja's wear black anyways?

I'm pretty sure ninjas can't dissappear, because that wouldn't be logical. You could say the human eye sucks when it comes to spotting stuff, so yeah, a ninja can dissappear in that sense. All I know about ninjas is their big katana sword things and then the ninja stars (Hence the name) and then the ... Umm.. Other stuff. Yep. :D That's ninja for ya....

:woo:

[Chaos]

Actually "ninja stars", shuriken, were around long before the actual "ninja" came on the scene, but close enough :D It would take too long to explain the history of them here. And yes, the traditional uniform is normally black, because ninjas attack at night to heighten the element of suprise. But a ninja uniform can take on other colors though, the goal is simply to blend in with the environment and not be seen.

[Desipio]

ya know.. dont wanna sound like a *****.. but im more concerned about what MA i should do then that my joke got taken seriously...

[Tiong]

Im not looking for the best martial art... I'm looking for the most appropriate one for my body type and my goals... if you can advise me for a specific martial art that will be great... can you also suggest me a specific school i should look into in the Seattle (WA) area?
I think everyone will have a generally mixed opinion on what is "best for you". If you can find a comprehensive list of clubs in your area along with a syllabus of what they teach within that class. Than you could if you wanted, ask here or on the other specific style forums about the art, and if this club your looking is a complete form of the stated MA.

[Chaos]

Well that's the problem with your question, it's very tough to tell you which type of martial arts is best suited for you. You've given us physical states, but to tell you which martial arts is right for you would include your mental state as well... heritage has a lot to do with which type you will be more likely to enjoy and stick with... it's a very tough question. It's very tough to try to decide which style is for you, let alone have total strangers do it. That's why I'm involved in 7 different styles, to try everything out. My only suggestion is to call the schools near you and ask them what they teach, what a normal training session is like, and what they hope to accomplish by the time they are finished with their students. Then try to decide which option is best for you.

[Desipio]

im sooooooooooo wasted right now
thats for being in college
thanx for the advice,
but im rather suprised you cannot advise a specific martial art for me.. .i guess i should stick to Hung Gar Kung Fu

[ChaoticHybrid X]

Ok IM thinking of starting a martial art,most likely Ninjutsu.I live in NYC and would like to know if anyone could recommend a certain school for me.Help is greatly appreciated.Also,could someone explain Shoten No Kama,its a technique that allows the practitioner to run up walls.Im asking because I saw it in the course outline at Ninjutsu.com.Is it possible?

Thanks,
CHX

[Kenpo Kicker]

im sooooooooooo wasted right now
thats for being in college
thanx for the advice,
but im rather suprised you cannot advise a specific martial art for me.. .i guess i should stick to Hung Gar Kung Fu


Take wc ya lazy drunk :) .

[hedgehogey]

*spittake*

Run up walls? RUN UP WALLS?

I'm afraid that anyone who lists that in their curriculum is feeding you a line of BS. RUN UP WALLS?! Seriously, that's straight crap.

Real life is not a kung fu or ninja movie.

For more information on what that guy is trying to pass on you see www.bullshido.com

[Kagebushi]

dont start your crap here either hedge.
running up walls is part of the curriculum but not anything matrixy just a couple steps only a foot higher than a normal jump, but its a useful 1 foot
chx if you want to learn about ninjutsu, go to the ninjutsu forum (youll also see why im touchy about his aforementioned "crap")
a good wabsite for a bujinkan dojo in your area is www.winjutsu.com i think that is right. if its not just search winjutsu youll go straight to it
i dont know a site for genbukan right off, but if you search for it it shouldnt be hard.
for jinekan i think the yamajutsu kai site is jinekan, but if you ask in the ninja forum, youll get a better answer
http://shell.world-net.co.nz/~jimgould/index.html should take you to it

[Kenpo Kicker]

dont start your crap here either hedge.
running up walls is part of the curriculum but not anything matrixy just a couple steps only a foot higher than a normal jump, but its a useful 1 foot
chx if you want to learn about ninjutsu, go to the ninjutsu forum (youll also see why im touchy about his aforementioned "crap")
a good wabsite for a bujinkan dojo in your area is www.winjutsu.com i think that is right. if its not just search winjutsu youll go straight to it
i dont know a site for genbukan right off, but if you search for it it shouldnt be hard.
for jinekan i think the yamajutsu kai site is jinekan, but if you ask in the ninja forum, youll get a better answer
http://shell.world-net.co.nz/~jimgould/index.html should take you to it

Other than fun what use would that be?

[bcullen]

Take wc ya lazy drunk :) .

I'd suggest drunken form, you're already halfway there :D

[Bruce_Wee]

learn the "drunken fist" and be the next "drunken master" :D

[Kenpo Kicker]

I'd suggest drunken form, you're already halfway there :D


Ugh, why didn't I think of that :( . Good one though!

[ChaoticHybrid X]

Thanks for the info Kagebushi.Your help is greatly appreciated :D

[Kagebushi]

Other than fun what use would that be?
ninjutsu is more than a combat art, it is a survival art. the combat part is taijutsu. agility/climbing/stealth skills are very useful when you come up against a person/group that you cant beat, whether its because of skill, equipment :woo: or just plain numbers. and you never know what will become useful with terrorism (especially in certain countries) on the rise.
:D it IS pretty fun, though. :D

[MacKiDo]

People seriously think the masters can semi-fly? I...They shoulda...sent...a...poet...

I am at a complete loss for words.

They fly pretty good if you throw them...

[Tyke]

Hello, I am very new to Martial Arts, so please forgive my ignorance. I have a number of questions.

The three arts I find initially appealling are: Ninjutsu, Karate or Kendo (is that what katana fighting is called?)

My first wish would be to study Ninjutsu, but I'm a little confused. No schools in my area (Kentucky) offer that, rather something called "Bujinkan", I think. Does Bujinkan = Ninjutsu?

Is Kendo the correct name for a katana art? I don't see it much, so I was wondering if I got the name wrong.

How do you tell if a potential instructor is good at what he does? I have no criteria to judge by, and the nearest "Bujinkan" instructor sounds like a low-budget deal, is this something to be wary of?

Lastly, is "meditation" an integral part of Ninjutsu, Karate and "Kendo"? Or can one do well without getting into it?

Thanks in advance. :)

[d33pthought]

Is there more to Taekwondo than just kicking and punching? I know it's 'The Way of Fist and Foot' or some variation thereof, but is that all there is to it?

[d33pthought]

Hello, I am very new to Martial Arts, so please forgive my ignorance. I have a number of questions.

The three arts I find initially appealling are: Ninjutsu, Karate or Kendo (is that what katana fighting is called?)

My first wish would be to study Ninjutsu, but I'm a little confused. No schools in my area (Kentucky) offer that, rather something called "Bujinkan", I think. Does Bujinkan = Ninjutsu?

Is Kendo the correct name for a katana art? I don't see it much, so I was wondering if I got the name wrong.

How do you tell if a potential instructor is good at what he does? I have no criteria to judge by, and the nearest "Bujinkan" instructor sounds like a low-budget deal, is this something to be wary of?

Lastly, is "meditation" an integral part of Ninjutsu, Karate and "Kendo"? Or can one do well without getting into it?

Thanks in advance. :)

The little I know about ninjutsu, karate, and kendo, as pertaining to your questions is this:

Bujinkan is one form of Ninjutsu, or so I've read. Ninjutsu is a blanket statement the same way Karate is: There's more than one style it.

Strictly speaking, Kendo does translate as "The Way of the Sword", but it is by no means the only katana-oriented art. You've got Iaido, which deals with attacking while drawing the sword, kenjutsu, which is more like what samurai might have learned, and as such, deals more with killing people quickly (I think), and Kendo is all about single combat with swords. It's probably Kendo if the combatants are wearing actual armor and fighting one on one.

There are a bunch of ways to know a good teacher when you see him or her, and cost for lessons isn't automatically a positive or negative point, either. Too little, and it may be a guy running classes out of his back yard. While doable, it's definitely worth it to be skeptical. Too expensive, and it's just plain not feasable to train at such a high cost. Unlike with most things, you don't necessarily get what you pay for with martial arts.

A good teacher will likely take active part in the class, instead of delegating assistants to teach while he's in the office. Also, a good teacher will lead by good example. He or she will demonstrate every new technique, and do so properly. Knowing if it's taught properly only really comes by watching other teachers in the same art, so you get a good idea what's what. Lastly, a good teacher will engage in one-on-one teaching after class if a student's struggling, and asks about it. There's undoubtably more criteria, but that's all I can think of.

Honestly, I don't know anything about meditation in ninjutsu. I'd imagine it's important, but I don't know why.

[Twimyo Jirugi]

Hello, I am very new to Martial Arts, so please forgive my ignorance. I have a number of questions.

The three arts I find initially appealling are: Ninjutsu, Karate or Kendo (is that what katana fighting is called?)

My first wish would be to study Ninjutsu, but I'm a little confused. No schools in my area (Kentucky) offer that, rather something called "Bujinkan", I think. Does Bujinkan = Ninjutsu?

Is Kendo the correct name for a katana art? I don't see it much, so I was wondering if I got the name wrong.

How do you tell if a potential instructor is good at what he does? I have no criteria to judge by, and the nearest "Bujinkan" instructor sounds like a low-budget deal, is this something to be wary of?

Lastly, is "meditation" an integral part of Ninjutsu, Karate and "Kendo"? Or can one do well without getting into it?

Thanks in advance. :)


Bujinkan is the organisation based around Budo Taijutsu. it is basically Ninjutsu, but is in fact nine kobudo (ancient Japanese martial arts). It teaches many different things such as striking, locks, weapons (including Kenjutsu).

Kenjutsu is a collective name for Japanese sword arts, Kendo and Iaido would fit in. Budo Taijutsu incorporates this and it is this year's theme, so there's plenty of practise going on with katanas and wakizashis this year. You'll start practising with them at about 8th or 7th Kyu.

Meditation varies from dojo to dojo, you'll have to ask the head instructor.

Just ring up your nearest dojo and arrange to sit in on a class. Pay attention to not only the art, but the instructor and how he handles the class. Also, have a chat with him/her, ask a few questions and get a fairly good idea of what type of person they are.

[d33pthought]

Thanks for squaring that up about the Ninjutsu/Bujinkan thing :)

[mire]

I know it's too late to ask this qestion but I read some where that warm up AND stretching should take at least 30 mins before starting the practice!
in my class we warm up and stretch for only 10 mins, is this right? :confused:

[glenchuy]

Is there more to Taekwondo than just kicking and punching? I know it's 'The Way of Fist and Foot' or some variation thereof, but is that all there is to it?

by is there "all" to it do you mean, just punching and kicking and no grappling etc? then yes, all there is is punching and kicking.

[JeremyAce]

Hi everyone. I am obviously new to this site and I have a question about learning a MA. I was in Shaolin Kung-Fu for a little less than a year (only got second yellow), but I had to leave that school because of some problems with the teacher. I have wanted to get back into it for a while (I missed it :cry: ), but I don't really have access to good MA schools closer than a 3 hour drive. I was thinking about "learning" Ninjitsu or some variation of Kung-Fu by either books or video. I understand you can't really learn an art like this through books or videos, but It's the best I can do right now. Can anyone recommend a video or book series that I could use to train with for now? Ninjitsu actually interests me the most, but as I said I have done Kung-fu as well. :eek: This is becoming a long post, but I have one more question. Are Richard Van Donk's video series any good? I know he advertises a lot and so on, but can I actually learn from it? Thanks in advance!
PS:I like this site, everyone here seems very helpful.

[Peter.san]

Hey everyone, I'm new here too.

I live in a pretty small spot in Europe, so unfortunately my options are just Taekwondo, Jui-jitsu and Karate.

I've been doing taekwondo for nearly two years now (I just got my blue belt / 6. gup), but I don't know what style.. we don't really care about that in our club ^^.

I'm 16 years old, and I am sick of envy to all you ****** ninjas who where cool enough to start doing martial arts when you were younger.. Damn! Imagine me, with the second or third Dan? Wow.. I envy you, totally. :D

Okay, I'll get to the point: I've decided that I want to include acrobatics (you know, somersaults and stuff) in high degree into my training, and I was wondering.. does any of you know somewhere with good information about how to learn stuff like that? Handstand, flying kicks and other funny stuff that doesn't come with ordinary training?

In advance, thanks a lot.

Peter, Denmark.

[E-Rocker]

Maybe a gymnastics gym?

[The Rogue One]

Okay, I'll get to the point: I've decided that I want to include acrobatics (you know, somersaults and stuff) in high degree into my training, and I was wondering.. does any of you know somewhere with good information about how to learn stuff like that? Handstand, flying kicks and other funny stuff that doesn't come with ordinary training?

In advance, thanks a lot.

Peter, Denmark.

Hmm... A bit late to post this I quess, but here's some sites about those tricks we all want to land ;)

www.multilevelmoves.com
www.trickstutorials.com
www.thefiveelements.tk
www.club540.com

Just see the tutorials and you're good to go

[ZenPolice]

Hmm... A bit late to post this I quess, but here's some sites about those tricks we all want to land ;)

www.multilevelmoves.com
www.trickstutorials.com
www.thefiveelements.tk
www.club540.com

Just see the tutorials and you're good to goVery cool sites, thank you for posting! :cool:

[bigwizzkid]

First off I just wanted to say hello as this is my first day on these forums. Now for the questions and such. I've never done anything MA related, however I've decided that I want to start. My problem is i have NO idea what I want to start in. I can't even pronounce the names of half the arts i know of. But thats becides the point realy, I came here so yall could help me decide. And just up front, Im not looking for the best, because i know there is not one. So here goes the long list of information.

Im 16, 5'9-5'10, about 145 pounds. Im an avid weight lifter, so I am well built for my size, and strong. Im a very athletic person, so I play most sports. I think thats about all the personal information that matters.

Here are the different things i would like to learn. I am very specific in what i will list here, so if yall could simply post a few MA's that envolve some of the thigns i listed id be appritiative. Dosen't have to encompass all, but mre is better. So here goes this list. I would like to focus on an MA that focuses on speed, agility, and reflexes. One that deals with quick strikes, and kickign and punching equally. I would like it also to rely on somethign other then strength to beat an aoponent larger then you. I would like something that has a lot of counters, and ways to stop your aponent without really hurting either party, but agian, can also be used offensivley. I would like something that is practical in real self defence. Lastly i would like something that teaches a variety off weapons. Enparticular i would like to learn to use staf's, tonfa, butterfly swords. But more is always better IMO.

I think thats about all the information I can give, and thanks everyone who can help.

[Sgt_Major]

Have you looked round to see what is in your area....thats going to be a big deciding factor....

[bigwizzkid]

I'll find that out after I find out what i want to take. I can drive a long way for lessons if need be.

[Sgt_Major]

Not the best plan. Someone told me Capoeira was good, but my nearest club is 4hrs away. Best to look first, decide after.

Obviously I'll say silat, we cover upright and ground fighting....as well as everything else you mentioned....

www.cimande.com

^ = wealth of knowledge on my style

[Fish Of Doom]

what style(ryu) does the karate academy teach?
I've been doing hayashi-ha Shito-ryu(shito style, hayashi line, as in hayashi's version of it) for two years now, and i can say my academy has most of what you want, but it all depends on the sensei(master/teacher/instructor) and his level of knowledge/open-ness to influence.
or sensei passes a lot of self defence(and knows enough to fling the whole class around with a single arm woohoo! :woo: )
about quick striking and stuff, we train to execute everything fast, so if you're athletic and you dedicate yourself it shouldn't be that much of a problem(besides on a street fight the greatest asset is not strenght or speed but logic, if you know where to hit, when to hit and how to hit no matter your position you can overcome most others who relie only on their physiques)
we also do quite a lot of sweeps and grappling sweeps as self defense(the most simple and fun one: grab him by the shoulders and push him backwards)
about weapons we learned a little staff but i think it's not exploited until black belt and i think tonfa and nunchaku are also shito-ryu used kobudo weapons but i'm not sure, besides weapon training depends on the sensei's weapon training.

Fish of Doom

[bigwizzkid]

So anyone have any sugjestions/advice? Hope im not being too impatient. And i don't think i really emphasized this, but trainging in tonfa/staf is pretty imprtant to me. Thanks again for all the help you all ahve ben offering.

[Fish Of Doom]

a heavy punching bag is good to train with a staff
when you're fighting with a staff you'll want to combo a lot of blows, and when you hit some one hard with a staff they either A) remain in position and get your bo(staff) stuck in it's place enabling them to kick your butt- or - B) fly ten feet in the direction you attacked, and some people are impervious to that and will come back knowing what to expect and kick your butt.
so a heavy punching bag would be example A, so you must learn to quickly withdraw the staff and start another hit, and that leads to prevention of example B.
another good technique is to feint a lot, and fight dirty, like fake a smash to the head and drive the staff to the groin, slide it between the legs and pull, throwing the adversary to the ground, then smash away.
sword like gripping is also good if you have the time, skill to use it quickly, just grip near one end with both hands and smash horizontally, unless he/she's VERY VERY strong and skillfull you'll break half his/her bones

Fish Of Doom

[Florida Warlock]

You do know that on the emote with the guns... :woo: ... only one gun goes off... the right one doesn't.

[mire]

Excuse me but what's that tonfa/staf you guys talking about?

[mr_vodka]

Hello everyone...

Wow... I spent almost whole day sitting and waiting until I get activated. Not that I don't know that patience is a virtue...

I'm thinking about taking up some MA but I don't know what do I want. So I hope I'll get an advice whith what could I start.

A lil' bit about myself (in metric system :p)

I'm 182cm high and about 75kg. I guess I'm athletic build (at least I was).
I lifted some weights and did some boxing when I was 16 but then I started smoking and I dropped it all. Now I just feel that I have to do something or I will become a complete retard (I still smoke but I will drop once I start training) :D

The thing is that I don't know where I should begin. I'm thinking about something Japanesse because I just adore that culture.
I consider syself quite high thus I want something that would really fit my height and would look awesome in contests. Self defence is secondary since I can do quite enough with the boxing skills I have.

I really hope to get a reply ASAP and even more than one :)

A HUGE thank you in advance!

[aikiwolfie]

The best thing for you to do mr vodka is find out what's in your area and go check them out.

[Infrazael]

I did a quick search, and this is what i could find within 30 minutes of my house. (I live in a secluded area, so nuthing is ever within 15)

aikido
karate
judo
kung fu
taekowndo
Bjj (im sure you all knwo what that is)
thai kickboxing
wushu (not sure if thats any MA but i am lsitig all words that I thought might be)
jiu-jitsu

Im sure i could find more with a more specific search.

I live near richmind virginia if that helps in any way.

My suggestions.

Striking: Karate, Kung Fu, Taekwondo, Muay Thai (Thai boxing). First, tell us what style of Kung Fu and Karate they offer. Is it real, traditional stuff or new-age watered down crap??? Most TKD schools (at least from my experience) are lacking in brutality and the physical aspect. Muay Thai is ALWAYS effective. I have yet to see and find a Muay Thai school that's crap.

Grappling: Judo, Jiu-jitsu, Brazilian Jiu-jitsu. Judo is a sport-oriented versino of Jiu-jitsu essentially, with LESS deadly moves. So ignore Judo. JJJ and BJJ differ on that BJJ is leaned more towards grandwork and submission, while JJJ is more standup-ish. I'd go with BJJ or JJJ, depending on what you are looking for.

Neglible styles: Aikido - takes FOREVER to learn from what I talk to people and read, and seems like one of the lessar street effective arts. No striking at all, very pacifistic. Streetfighting is about the destruction of the enemy.

Wushu - crappy Chinese Communist Kung-Fu wannabe dance routine. COMPLETE CRAP.

[Twitch]

I suppose I'm asking a question which this thread is full of, but I also am stuck on the; Which MA question.

Some things about me, I'm female, living in the west end of Glasgow, 22, 5'2" (maybe thats generous!), and just under 8 stone. I haven't done any form of sport or excercise since my teens and so I'm, although not overwieght, I'm incredibly unfit - one of the main reasons I want to take up a MA.

I've never done any MA before, or anything like one for that matter. By nature I totally lack discipline, and about the only thing I've shown any commitment to in my adult life is drinking and smoking, so this is another reason I wish to take up a MA, to teach myself some discipline and focus.

Oh yeah, and being a rather small girl I've been attacked/mugged on a few occassions, and what with my super strength of your average 3 year old, havent been able to do anything about it. So a level of self-defense would be good, but more importantly, that i can be more confident in these situations.

So obviously I want one which I will enjoy, and that is accessible for absolute beginners. If there is such a thing. Oh and that I can do in Glasgow. Erm.. yeah I think thats it...

Cheers

[aikiwolfie]

If I'm fair and try to avoide being biased I'll tell you what I tell everybody. Check out what's in your area and try a few things out.

To get you off to a good start head down to the Kelvin Hall ISA on Sunday night. There's an Aikido class there that has only been running for just over a year so there should be plenty beginners and low grades. If you don't mind travelling theres a totaly new club in the Pollokshaws area. All the students there are beginners.

You can find the details for both clubs here www.aikido-uk.org/clubs.html (http://www.aikido-uk.org/clubs.html).

[Neil-o-Mac]

I'm going to be biased here, but the Bujinkan Tao Dojo (http://scotlandninjutsu.bravepages.com/) on Glassford St. should definitely be worth a look. City centre location, and a complete martial arts system (striking, grappling, weapons etc) taught by a fine instructor. :D

[Infrazael]

I suppose I'm asking a question which this thread is full of, but I also am stuck on the; Which MA question.

Some things about me, I'm female, living in the west end of Glasgow, 22, 5'2" (maybe thats generous!), and just under 8 stone. I haven't done any form of sport or excercise since my teens and so I'm, although not overwieght, I'm incredibly unfit - one of the main reasons I want to take up a MA.

I've never done any MA before, or anything like one for that matter. By nature I totally lack discipline, and about the only thing I've shown any commitment to in my adult life is drinking and smoking, so this is another reason I wish to take up a MA, to teach myself some discipline and focus.

Oh yeah, and being a rather small girl I've been attacked/mugged on a few occassions, and what with my super strength of your average 3 year old, havent been able to do anything about it. So a level of self-defense would be good, but more importantly, that i can be more confident in these situations.

So obviously I want one which I will enjoy, and that is accessible for absolute beginners. If there is such a thing. Oh and that I can do in Glasgow. Erm.. yeah I think thats it...

Cheers

Muay Thai???

[mr_vodka]

The best thing for you to do mr vodka is find out what's in your area and go check them out.

Weeelll, I kinda did that and I found two things that I kinda could like. One is Aikido and the other is Karate. But if I choose Karate I want to find a dojo that either teaches Shohei-ryu (I think I could really love this one) or Shorei-ryu (maybe, just maybe Isshin-ryu).

*EDITED*

Well, that's it... no dojo teaches those styles around me. Actually I couldn't find anyone in my whole country who would teach Shohei-ryu (at least not officially) :cry:

Maybe Gojo-ryu...
Could anyonwe help on the different styles?

[ubermint]

I suppose I'm asking a question which this thread is full of, but I also am stuck on the; Which MA question.

Some things about me, I'm female, living in the west end of Glasgow, 22, 5'2" (maybe thats generous!), and just under 8 stone. I haven't done any form of sport or excercise since my teens and so I'm, although not overwieght, I'm incredibly unfit - one of the main reasons I want to take up a MA.

I've never done any MA before, or anything like one for that matter. By nature I totally lack discipline, and about the only thing I've shown any commitment to in my adult life is drinking and smoking, so this is another reason I wish to take up a MA, to teach myself some discipline and focus.

Oh yeah, and being a rather small girl I've been attacked/mugged on a few occassions, and what with my super strength of your average 3 year old, havent been able to do anything about it. So a level of self-defense would be good, but more importantly, that i can be more confident in these situations.

So obviously I want one which I will enjoy, and that is accessible for absolute beginners. If there is such a thing. Oh and that I can do in Glasgow. Erm.. yeah I think thats it...

Cheers

Twitch-

First some bad news: There is no martial arts training that will give you a reasonable chance of beating up a mugger in under six months. There are no quick and easy solutions.

Now, if you're searching for an unarmed art, a combat sport seems to fit your needs perfectly. You will gain real self defense ability with "alive" training against noncompliant, resisting opponents and you'll develop a high level of physical fitness, both through the sparring itself and the supplemental conditioning. I have known very few women who I felt confident in, self defense wise. All of them regularly sparred with the men of the class and all were in good condition.

In your case, I would reccomend a grappling art. Standing striking is more strength dependant and instinctual than grappling. Grappling requires less strength (though strength is always a factor, and anyone who tells you otherwise is feeding you a line) and is not at all instinctual.

Try brazilian jiujitsu, judo or sambo.

If your heart is set on a striking art, try Muay Thai, Boxing or Kyokushin-Kai (full contact) Karate.

Obviously, it's possible to find other martial arts that train "alive", i'm merely listing your best bets.

If you don't think you can hack that, buy and learn to use a weapon.

[aikiwolfie]

First some bad news: There is no martial arts training that will give you a reasonable chance of beating up a mugger in under six months. There are no quick and easy solutions.
Ok first off, I might be going blind but I don't remember seeing this in Twitches post. Lets not put words in peoples mouths.

Secondly and more importantly. DO NOT EVER ADVISE A MEMBER OF MAP TO GO OUT AND BUY A WEAPON FOR USE IN SELF DEFENCE!!! The carrying of a weapon has varying legal implications depending on the particular country you happen to be in.

Within the UK it is not acceptable and weapons will be conficated by the Police. In Scotland anybody caught carrying a knife or other offensive weapon can receive a prison term. I personally do not wish to see anybody behind bars because of some irresponsible advice handed out by one of our members.

[ubermint]

I was not implying that twitch said those things. Rather, I was anticipating the slew of responses to Twitch's post, stating that she should do such-and-such art because it "doesn't require strength because we use our attacker's force against them/strike vital spots/etc.".

Going to a school that claims such things can give one a dangerously inflated sense of their abilities.

[aikiwolfie]

Well in that case I think I'll just go give up Aikido after over eight years of practice since I have a dangerousley inflated sense of my abilities. And while I'm at it I'll go and tell all the Aikidoka who have used their training in self defence, (some of whom, like my good self, post on MAP actually), they are all liars and fantasy prone and should probably seek professional attention. :rolleyes: :bang:

[MacKiDo]

Twitch-

First some bad news: There is no martial arts training that will give you a reasonable chance of beating up a mugger in under six months. There are no quick and easy solutions.


Twitch, there are certainly no quick and easy solutions, particularly ones that will allow you to "beat up" a mugger, but if you want to quickly learn some basic options for disabling/escaping an attack, then you might look into Krav Maga or any kind of women's self-defense. A part of reacting effectively to that kind of threat is getting over the adrenaline dump you get when you are threatened, which can give you that cement shoes feeling.


Now, if you're searching for an unarmed art, a combat sport seems to fit your needs perfectly. You will gain real self defense ability with "alive" training against noncompliant, resisting opponents and you'll develop a high level of physical fitness, both through the sparring itself and the supplemental conditioning. I have known very few women who I felt confident in, self defense wise. All of them regularly sparred with the men of the class and all were in good condition.

In your case, I would reccomend a grappling art. Standing striking is more strength dependant and instinctual than grappling. Grappling requires less strength (though strength is always a factor, and anyone who tells you otherwise is feeding you a line) and is not at all instinctual.

Try brazilian jiujitsu, judo or sambo.

If your heart is set on a striking art, try Muay Thai, Boxing or Kyokushin-Kai (full contact) Karate.

Obviously, it's possible to find other martial arts that train "alive", i'm merely listing your best bets.

If you don't think you can hack that, buy and learn to use a weapon.


I am biased by my training but I think that a woman of your stature will always be disadvantaged in grappling by your small stature, and grappling is a bad choice if you wind up facing more than one person. That said grappling is a critical part of being able to fight. I'd stay away from any martial arts gym that puts a lot of emphasis on sport or competition, unless you are more interested in sport than learning to fight. If you want to learn to fight make sure whatever gym you join includes a lot of fighting (sparring) in the training, because that's the only way to learn to fight, the fewer rules the better.

I train in Hapkido which contains strikes, kicks and grappling as well as an array of joint manipulations that are very good at negating size differences (i.e. lots of cops use it for compliance holds). I highly recommend it, and there should be some good schools in Glasgow.

Other than that shotokan or kyokushin-kai karate would be good, esp. if you can learn some jiu-jitsu at the same time, I believe win-chun was originated by buddhist nuns, so it should be effective for women.

Whatever you decide I would definitely not recommend you start carrying a weapon.

[MacKiDo]

I was not implying that twitch said those things. Rather, I was anticipating the slew of responses to Twitch's post, stating that she should do such-and-such art because it "doesn't require strength because we use our attacker's force against them/strike vital spots/etc.".

Going to a school that claims such things can give one a dangerously inflated sense of their abilities.


Good point, whatever the art look for a school that includes rigorous physical training. A high level of fitness is the basis for skill in any martial art. And anyone that tells you they can quickly make you proficient in things like pressure point attacks is full of crap. Fighting is difficult, always more difficult when you are smaller than your opponent.

[Lucharaan]

ooo I just started tai chi! Who can give me some tips on that?

[aikiwolfie]

You should probably check out the Tai Chi (http://www.martialartsplanet.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=12) section. :)

[Goju]

Maybe Gojo-ryu...
Could anyonwe help on the different styles?

well, goju is, quite honestly, the best style you can train in, so I wouldnt rule it out. :D

j/k, but karate is fun, Goju-ryu, or any style (from what I hear). You should really go to the bookstore or use google to find some good info on the different ma taught at schools in your area and pick what you want to do, be it striking, grappling, or both, then pick a style.

[mr_vodka]

well, goju is, quite honestly, the best style you can train in, so I wouldnt rule it out. :D

j/k, but karate is fun, Goju-ryu, or any style (from what I hear). You should really go to the bookstore or use google to find some good info on the different ma taught at schools in your area and pick what you want to do, be it striking, grappling, or both, then pick a style.

Thanks Gojo :)

I already read all I could and checked out all schools in my area. I really wanted to learn Shohei-ryu, but there's not a single dojo in my country that teaches it :)

So I picked Goju-ryu ;)

[Goju]

cool, im sure youll enjoy it.

[bdirks]

I´m looking for a martial art also.
I am 17 years old, 83 kg, 1.83m (umm.... 6´0, 183 pounds).
Im in reasonable good shape (good at sports), and i live under the 8 buddhist precepts, of which the following is relevant to sports:
Eating 1 meal a day, sometimes 2, but always between 8:00 and 12:00 in the morning.

This doesnt affect me alot with regards to exercise, but it limits me to 3 hours a day of exercise.

Looking for a MA that relies on speed and technique, and not on force. It must be a traditional MA.

[aikiwolfie]

I wouldn't say Aikido relies on speed but it does relie on timeing and technique.

[bxa121]

hello, i know you dont really say to new guys that there is a matial art for them, so ill try not to go to that avenue,
i havent done sports for a very long time, my cardio is crap , im still quite powerful, im naturally strong, used to do rugby so very physical is not a prob. im not that tall, 5 6", 90 kg about 180 pounds, 21 years of age. - oh im a guy and a med student, so i know anatomy, and phsiology and im quite a religeous guy so the philosiphical aspect of MA shouldnt be a problem either...

i found a few places that are near me, from this very site i beleive, all of these are in the west midlands area, i live in birmingham

Zanshin-Kai Aikido Club, Aikido,

United Kingdom Shin Gi Tai Aiki Ju Jutsu Schools, Aiki Ju Jutsu,

Solihull Lau Gar Kung Fu, Lau Gar Kuen,

Red Dragons ZFKMAC, Chinese Karate/Kickboxing/Total Fighting Grappling,

Quinton AIGMA, Goyararu,

Midlands Academy Of Chinese Kung Fu, Lau Gar - Kung Fu,

JUN FAN JEET KUNE DO ACADEMY UK, JUFAN JEET KUNE DO / DOCE PARE
MULTI STYLE SYSTEM,

Cheng Long, Freestyle

i dont know about these places, and about the styles nor about the instructors. so what do you guys think?
so which one is the best one out of these lists, which one is best for me?

i can try and improve my cardio over time, maybe get a bike or do some runing or somit?
thanks..

[NewFighter]

I alread opened a thread, but i understood that this is the right place for this kind of question so hopefully you'll be able to help me out:

Hey everyone.
I'm 16 years of age, 55KG, haven't done any sports for about 3-4 years, so my heart-lung endurance is pretty crapy, but i'm pretty buildy and naturally strong.
I want to start my training, never been to any MA before.
Basically, i'm looking for MA style to develop my fighting/defensive skills, a style that will come in handy in street fights aswell, and not just in trainings and will include both offense/defence training - doesn't have to, but preferable.
Also, i wanted to know where i can find the phone numbers and info about MA classes? I live in Victoria, Australia and believe it or not, i never came across any MA advertisement at all.

Thanks a lot in advance!

[shootodog]

I alread opened a thread, but i understood that this is the right place for this kind of question so hopefully you'll be able to help me out:

Hey everyone.
I'm 16 years of age, 55KG, haven't done any sports for about 3-4 years, so my heart-lung endurance is pretty crapy, but i'm pretty buildy and naturally strong.
I want to start my training, never been to any MA before.
Basically, i'm looking for MA style to develop my fighting/defensive skills, a style that will come in handy in street fights aswell, and not just in trainings and will include both offense/defence training - doesn't have to, but preferable.
Also, i wanted to know where i can find the phone numbers and info about MA classes? I live in Victoria, Australia and believe it or not, i never came across any MA advertisement at all.

Thanks a lot in advance!


did you read the whole thread from the beginning?

[NewFighter]

I did, basically.
I couldn't find the exact answer that i'm looking for, but here's some stuff that i'm intrested at:

Judo, BJJ and Sambo.

They all seem pretty good, but the question asked is which one of them will help me develop my attack/defence skills and will be effective in street fighting as well as trainings?

[shootodog]

I did, basically.
I couldn't find the exact answer that i'm looking for, but here's some stuff that i'm intrested at:

Judo, BJJ and Sambo.

They all seem pretty good, but the question asked is which one of them will help me develop my attack/defence skills and will be effective in street fighting as well as trainings?

which is close to you?

go attend some trial sessions. see which will suit you.

[nForce]

Ok guys incase you havent read my thread,

I'm 17 yrs old, 234lbs, pretty big built, been going gym for 3 years, although i have about 30lbs of fat to loose, my fitness is probably below average, havent done any sports for like a year now or more, in which i put alot of weight on, i'm also 6ft 2".

I'm currently looking into Lau Gar Kuen Kung Fu, and San Da chinese kickboxing, i'm thinking of taking both up.

I originally wanted to do muay thai instead of chinese but they don't practise it, whats your thoughts between the two? if i join somewhere i don't want to practise a martial art that in 6months time ill change school for a better one.

The sifu who i spoke to said chinese boxing is the most aggressive type, pressure points, knees, elbows, head, but he is biased so im currently trying to sort it out in my own head, opinions appreciated.

[Vicious]

Okay now it's my turn....

I am 16 years old, 5'10,and and my weight is 170 pounds, Have a muscular, but not too muscular build( something like a UFC body)and I am very fit and flexable...these are the fighting styles that are avaiable to me...which you think is best suited for me

Kenpo
Jujitsu
Jeet Kune do
Aikido
Hapkiyudo
Muay Thai
Tae Kwon Do
Judo
Tai Chi
Karate
Brazilliam Jujustu
Kung-Fu(not sure what type it is though)

[shootodog]

guys, this isn't where you list the stuff you want to do. this is where you read all the advice that people over time have given to people who want to start martial arts. basically it boils down to:

-what's in your area?
-does the instructor seem credible?
-are the people who train there people you want to train with?
-does the mode of instruction suit you?
-is the price right?
-is it a mcdojo?
-does the instructor instruct well? do you understand him?
-can you get along with the instructor?

-sit in a class, see how it feels to you.
-be very picky. martial arts is a very personal decision.

[chang_jon]

if you are fairly flexible i would recommend brazillian ju jitsu, itis a god all rounder which specialises in groundwork.

[Vicious]

Thanks I'll try Brazillian ju jitsu...I think they teach Muay Thai there too...or was a Vale Tudo...what is Vale Tudo?

[Vicious]

Is Krav Maga a good martial art for the street?

[shootodog]

"vale tudo" means "anything goes" in portugese. it is an old mixed martial art, no holds barred competition that started in brazil where there were only a few rules. no eye gouging. no biting. no fish hooking. everything else is ok. knock out or tap out. no judges. a vale tudo site (http://www.valetudo.com.br/ivcmenu.htm)

as for krav, it is the self defense martial art reportedly taught to the israeli defense force (idf). this and hagana originated in the modern state of isreal for military use. but since verybody in isreal is part of the idf, everybody has to learn it's precepts. click here to see krav maga (http://www.kravmaga.com/krav09.html).

[gogok.k]

It IS HARD WHEN YOU FIRST START BUT THEN AGAIN ALL THE MORE REASON TO TRAIN MORE AND HARDER AND GAIN MORE POSiTIVE PROSPECTS TO HELP YOU ON THE JOURNEY TO BLACK BELT.
p.s In my taekidokai it is required that once you are a black belt you will become an instructor, But personelly I dont want to be an instructor, I see myself as a valuble black belt always assisting and performing :)

[Jon1983uk]

I know a guy who does Vale Tudo and it is an extremely brutal style. :)

I agree, all martial arts are tough to begin with. I've been doing Hsing-I for 4 weeks now and there's not a day goes by that a bend in my knee will not result in pain. :)

I generally prefer kung fu because it's more to do with punching, which I find more practical in self defence situations, and internal arts because they put improve your muscles and not just stamina. But it's really up to you what you do, I don't judge any style to be better than another, it all just depends on what you want to get out of it.

I did Shaolin Splashing Hands for a week, my dojo is one of the few in the UK to teach it and it's a very good style for fighting and losing weight; while something like Chen Tai Chi builds chi and muscles more, but relies alot more on self defence applications (ableit very good self defence applications :D), than super-fast punching of Splashing Hands. So ya see, it depends on what you want really. :)

They're all tough, they will all hurt (at least in my experience so far :D) and they all have their uses.

[regs]

OK, I'm new to MA's. I'm taking Okinawa Karate and I was doing a little bit of investigation on my sensei. This is probably a stupid question, but, as I can't seem to find the information anywhere else that wouldn't be biased, can someone tell me about Dragon Society International. Is it just one of the McDojo-ish things out there or is it legit?

My sensei is Frank Annese, his wife is Michelle Annese, and they are both certified instructors through Dragon Society. Is that something a person should be somewhat impressed with or is it just some money making thing?

I know that I really enjoy the instruction that I get there, and have seen full contact sparring, albiet with the equiptment on. I'm only a white belt, but we work with the bags or wavemaster's usually at least once a week. Heck, I've already had training accidents and I'm only about a month in. Turned my ankle. It got caught on the base of the wavemaster while I was working on it with combo's. Was moving around the bag, my ankle got caught, body was moving but ankle wasn't, I went down.

Sensei has had us working some with pressure points and we've done some throwing. Most classes are pretty full of warm-ups, then point contact sparring for us beginners. In our dojo we start full contact sparring (with pads) at green belt when you start the Intermediate class. I guess all the post's I've seen about McDojo's on here and other sites have me a bit paranoid, though. If someone wants to check out the school, the website is Annese Martial Arts (www.annesemartialarts.com). I'd appreciate any feedback you could give me.

Sensei owns the studio and teaches pretty much all the classes. Michelle helps out some when he's tied up with something, but usually he only has her do some warm ups, then he will get to the class as soon as whatever he's busy with is through. Michelle I think teaches one of the childrens classes, but they don't have students teaching there to the best of my knowledge. So, if someone could help me out on this, would appreciate it. Is the whole Dragon Society International a legit Society? Is it something that I should be proud about sensei being a certified teacher for? Anyways, appreciate any feedback you could give me on the issue.

regs


EDIT: Please break long posts into paragraphs. :)

[aikiwolfie]

I don't know much about the karate world but what you describe sounds fairly well organised. People do teach martial arts for money. They always have done. And there's nothing wrong with that so long as the teacher is honest.

[TheRyanExpress]

Hey guys, I am new here, and I wanted to know if anyone could guide me in the right direction. I wnt to learn a martial art that is good for self defense. Also, if somebody knows of a good school in Brooklyn, Ny, say something :)

[shootodog]

Hey guys, I am new here, and I wanted to know if anyone could guide me in the right direction. I wnt to learn a martial art that is good for self defense. Also, if somebody knows of a good school in Brooklyn, Ny, say something :)

please read the entire thread. look here (http://www.switchboard.com/Martial_Arts_&_Self_Defense_Instruction/Brooklyn/NY/242-/yellowpages.htm). and google it.

[aikiwolfie]

Personally I would hazard a guess that the vast majority of martial arts would be useful for self defence. Some more so than others. But that's only a matter of opinion. When you're asking for self defence you really have to ask yourself what you personally consider self defence.

You also have to be aware that no teacher or style is going to equip you with a couple of kick ass combo moves that will never be defeated.

[TheRyanExpress]

Personally I would hazard a guess that the vast majority of martial arts would be useful for self defence. Some more so than others. But that's only a matter of opinion. When you're asking for self defence you really have to ask yourself what you personally consider self defence.

You also have to be aware that no teacher or style is going to equip you with a couple of kick ass combo moves that will never be defeated.

Actually, I was looking into a martial art hat stressed defense, so kicks need not apply. idk, something that is good against punchs, kicks, etc.

[arc_avalo]

If you want something good against punches, try boxing. If you want something good against kicks, try kickboxing. If you want something good against both, try karate or hapkido.

[Jon1983uk]

Hapkido seems good, though for pure self defence boxing, kick boxing and kung fu are the way to go for me. I always feel more likely to use punches than kicks in an actual fight, which is why I do kung fu. Shaolin Splashing hands is the best for self defence I've come across so far, it's very fast for starters. Though it's also very rare, there's only 4 schools in the world that do it that I currently know of. The closest to you would be Sifu McNeil's Little Nine Heaven school in California. He is regarded as an extremely fine teacher of various arts of kung fu, he taught my Sifu and I have the upmost respect for my Sifu Lomas, so if yah wanna have a look and can get down to Cali., by all means do. :)

Though I think nearly all martial arts are geared towards self defence (Chen Tai Chi proves even Tai Chi can be deadly :D), so it's really about going out there and seeing the styles in action and thinking it through yourself a bit first.

[aikiwolfie]

Actually, I was looking into a martial art hat stressed defense, so kicks need not apply. idk, something that is good against punchs, kicks, etc.
The point I was trying to make is that it isn't the style that's good in a given situation it's the student. I know you might not think that's very helpful when you're looking for someone to name a style for you. But that would be pointless.

Most of the people will reply with "style A" is good against "X". And just by coincidence "style A" just happens to be what they study. Personaly I study Ki Aikido and I've found it very useful for self defence against punches, kicks and weapons. But that's no good to you if your not interested in Aikido.

Look around your area and see what's available to you locally or within the distance you're prepaired to travel every single week without fail. Find something that grabs you're interest and make enquieries with the teacher. If you want some more ideas try using the search function.

[SixthVictim117]

I have a question for some of you more experienced martial artist. I train in a MA academy but after hearing all kinds of things about McDojo's and Black Belt factories, I'm worried that I may be attending a McDojo :bang: ...The reason I suspect this is because, I started a few months back enrolling in adult classes. There are about 10 other adults in my class, in a variety of ranks...anyhow, I joined almost in the middle of belt testing intervals, I attended for a little over 2 months and tested for my orange belt and passed very easily. I learned one kata (First Basic) and a few simple kicks and that was enough to pass a belt testing. I think it was a little to easy to obtain my orange belt, and belt testing is spread out in 3 month intervals. The instructors seem to know what they are talking about, the head instructor has 22 years experience, and the cheif instructor is a gold medalist...but I'm still confused...

[Playful Giant]

You must remember that some dojos start their ranking off easy and then progressively get harder. Some people may find what you did for the first grading easy, while others might find it hard!

It might be worth investigating what it takes to get a black belt.

In Kyokishinki when I first started, white one was very easy but by the time black belt came round, we were doing one handed push ups, chin ups and pressure tests, knockdowns, katas, etc.

[Yohan]

I have a question for some of you more experienced martial artist. I train in a MA academy but after hearing all kinds of things about McDojo's and Black Belt factories, I'm worried that I may be attending a McDojo ...The reason I suspect this is because, I started a few months back enrolling in adult classes. There are about 10 other adults in my class, in a variety of ranks...anyhow, I joined almost in the middle of belt testing intervals, I attended for a little over 2 months and tested for my orange belt and passed very easily. I learned one kata (First Basic) and a few simple kicks and that was enough to pass a belt testing. I think it was a little to easy to obtain my orange belt, and belt testing is spread out in 3 month intervals. The instructors seem to know what they are talking about, the head instructor has 22 years experience, and the cheif instructor is a gold medalist...but I'm still confused...

What style are you taking?
Is there sparring?
Could you beat up any of the blackbelts (who are around your age)?
Belt testing etc isn't necessarily a good indicator of mcdojoism.

[aikiwolfie]

The definition of a McDojo changes depending on who you talk to. If gradeings are only 3 months appart it's not surprising you don't need to know much to pass. This isn't always a bad thing. It could just be that your prgressing in bite sizes.

If the gradeings are getting progressively harder, you're getting the training you were promissed and you're enjoying it I don't think you should worry.

[Kay-G]

Desipio, I'm no expert, but with good upper body strength how about western boxing?

[snow_fox_ninja]

hey im planning to start in the arts and i cant afford much but i think u guys can help..what can i do to prepare for the arts?..what r simple tasks to help train myself?..if u guys can help try to e mail me and tell me..im planing on doing ninjutsu or is it called ninjitsu idk i ned guideance..

[Lord Spooky]

It's Ninjutsu ;)

Hop on over to the Ninjutsu forum and do a search.

[gtmazzeo]

Tai-gip we have no way of focusing the sound of our voice.
You need to match a very specific frequency for a number of seconds.
I like your questioning nature but please dont just keep telling people that if they haven't proved something they cannot comment.
Blind accecptance is just as bad as determined ignorance.
My body gives off heat Tai-gip, could I boil water in my hand?
Go on tell me it is possible because no one has proved to you that it cant be done.
she didnt say he couldnt comment with no proof .

[Shadowlynx83]

I am new here, too. I study traditional taekwondo at the moment. I have trained in shotokan for 2 years while in college, and I have trained in jeet kune do and wing chun for 1 year each. I am planning to stick with traditional taekwondo and earn my black belt, but my job situation will ultimately decide whether I remain in the area to accomplish that goal. I love martial arts, particularly traditional martial arts, because they offer so much more than just the ability to defend myself. They are a fun hobby and a way of life. I plan on becoming a master and someday opening my own school.

[orysin]

hey anyone have a suggestion on a martial art to start , i understand the lenght it takes for somemartial arts but which ones will i see quick results with?

[Shadowlynx83]

Hello orysin,

I have heard that western boxing and krav maga produce quick results. You may want to try and explore those if you are only interested in quickly earning results. However, you should seek patience - explore many styles and practice a style that you love, even if it takes many years. You won't be sorry, training for many years allows you to refine your skills to a point of mastery. It is also very fun.

[Ace-Acchillies]

I was Wondering if anyone could aid me in my serach for a Martial Art. I have done research in my area to find out what Martial Art programs are available to me. The list is as follows:
~TaeKwonDo (Also in "Black Panther", I don't know what that is)
~Karate (A large number of different places)
~Ninjutsu (So far, I'm leaning toward this)
~Jujutsu (This would be second on the list)
~Judo
~Kickboxing
~Tae Bo
~Kung Fu (No Type Specified)
I am going to check each Martial Art teacher to make aviod a run-in with a Mcdojo. I would like you guys to give a description of each art and possibly throw in a video or two so it can see it in action. I am prepared to take the time to master the art that I choose, and I hope you can offer some insight.

I am 16 years old, and weigh about 140 Pounds. I am in fairly athletic due to the fact that I was participating in a football team last year.

Thank You

[lucifer_z28]

personally I would suggest jiu-jitsu,takes long time to perfect submissions, rolls, throws and what-not, a monkey can punch(not critisizing strikers i do karate) just my 2 cents

[funnytiger]

I was Wondering if anyone could aid me in my serach for a Martial Art. I have done research in my area to find out what Martial Art programs are available to me. The list is as follows:
~TaeKwonDo (Also in "Black Panther", I don't know what that is)
~Karate (A large number of different places)
~Ninjutsu (So far, I'm leaning toward this)
~Jujutsu (This would be second on the list)
~Judo
~Kickboxing
~Tae Bo
~Kung Fu (No Type Specified)
I am going to check each Martial Art teacher to make aviod a run-in with a Mcdojo. I would like you guys to give a description of each art and possibly throw in a video or two so it can see it in action. I am prepared to take the time to master the art that I choose, and I hope you can offer some insight.

I am 16 years old, and weigh about 140 Pounds. I am in fairly athletic due to the fact that I was participating in a football team last year.

Thank You

I'm always wary of a place the teaches just "Kung Fu" without any kind of style specification. Kung Fu isn't a style so I can only assume that he (or she) teaches a wide variety of Kung Fu styles, which is usually the case. You'll esstentially become a jack of all trades, and a master of none. Which isn't necessarily a negative thing. If you don't mind then by all means have fun! If you are looking to master a particular style I would try Ju Jitsu.

Under no circumstances are you to take Tae Bo. Its not a martial art, its an excercise routine.

My 2 cents. ;)

- ft

[*Claire*]

Hiya! I'm jsut starting TKD i have had 2 lessons so far and i really enjoy it but i was wondering what goes well with TKD and teaches you what there isnt a lot of in TKD.. grappling etc i have been told judo is good for this ? cheers :D

[Ragnarok2005]

Hiya! I'm jsut starting TKD i have had 2 lessons so far and i really enjoy it but i was wondering what goes well with TKD and teaches you what there isnt a lot of in TKD.. grappling etc i have been told judo is good for this ? cheers :D

Hahaha. Maybe we should have this conversation when you're a little further into your Taekwon-Do career? For now just stick with it.

Is your instructor Mr. Minott?

[experiencema]

I was Wondering if anyone could aid me in my serach for a Martial Art. I have done research in my area to find out what Martial Art programs are available to me. The list is as follows:
~TaeKwonDo (Also in "Black Panther", I don't know what that is)
~Karate (A large number of different places)
~Ninjutsu (So far, I'm leaning toward this)
~Jujutsu (This would be second on the list)
~Judo
~Kickboxing
~Tae Bo
~Kung Fu (No Type Specified)
I am going to check each Martial Art teacher to make aviod a run-in with a Mcdojo. I would like you guys to give a description of each art and possibly throw in a video or two so it can see it in action. I am prepared to take the time to master the art that I choose, and I hope you can offer some insight.

I am 16 years old, and weigh about 140 Pounds. I am in fairly athletic due to the fact that I was participating in a football team last year.

Thank You

Ace-

Below is a brief description of each, but you can find more detail here: Martial Arts Styles (http://www.experiencemartialarts.com/styles.html) It has a couple of videos, but will be adding more soon.

~Tae Kwon Do - A standup style focusing on Kicks more than punches.
~Karate-Do - Standup style focusing on punches more than kicks.
~Ninjutsu - The art of "Ninjas". A standup style with teachings of stealth.
~Jujitsu & judo - Both are ground/grappling style that will feel more like wrestling. Less punches/kicks and more hold downs, joint locks and chokes. (These are both excellent styles if you're smaller as they teach you to use an opponent's force against them)
~Kickboxing - I'm sure you know what this is about. It's so focused on kicking that it's day to day self-defense application is questionable.
~Tae Bo - This is an exercise system, not a martial art. Ignore it.
~Kung Fu - "Kung Fu" literally means "one who is skilled" in Chinese. It's not a martial art in itself, so be sure to look hard at these schools if you're interested in it. Most likely they're actually teaching a form of Wushu (China's most popular martial art)

Best of luck to you in your search!

[jono1967]

im 40yo been studying taekwondo 4 a year ache a lot shud i still streach wen sore?

[TsuyayakuYuri]

I was hoping for a recommendation for which form of martial arts to begin. I'm a fifteen year old girl, but I'm tall and strong for my age (or, at least, gender) and I'd prefer a form more based on movement. I'm competetive and interested in the sport, rather than being scared for my safety, so one very self-defense orientated would probably be less interesting to me, but I'm willing and eager to try any type. If someone knows a form that they think will suit me, could they please tell me and list the pros and cons? thanks.

[XXXTigerXXX13]

I also need help on choosing a practical style. I did some western boxing and starting a bit of kickboxing, but those just aren't doing it for me. I can't kick and I'm not really interested in kicking.

I want something similar to western boxing because of the power and speed I can get behind punches. I like to use fists, elblows, sometimes a shoulder, and a knee. I'm not big into muay-thai on the fact that it comes across as going blow for blow. Basically, something that I can use close range and get quick explsoive power behind my strikes. Any suggestions are appreciated.

[shootodog]

I also need help on choosing a practical style. I did some western boxing and starting a bit of kickboxing, but those just aren't doing it for me. I can't kick and I'm not really interested in kicking.

I want something similar to western boxing because of the power and speed I can get behind punches. I like to use fists, elblows, sometimes a shoulder, and a knee. I'm not big into muay-thai on the fact that it comes across as going blow for blow. Basically, something that I can use close range and get quick explsoive power behind my strikes. Any suggestions are appreciated.

how about 52 blocks?

maybe bando or lethwei?

maybe fma?

read through the whole thread. basically it's an advise which covers stuff like:

what's in your area? how credible is the teacher? how do you fit in in class? how does the style fit you?

taking my examples. how many gyms in your area teach 52 blocks? bando? lethwei? filipino martial arts? if the answer is none, then you go back to "what's in your area?"

p.s. if you've done boxing i'd say stick with it. ask your coach to teach you "the dirt". you know: little headbutts, short knees, "accidental" elbows, foot stomps, little shoulder striking, little eye pokes (e.g. thumb to the eyes), dirty clinching, etc, etc. there's a lot more to boxing than what you see in the ring.

[PrISM]

It looks like I registered here a long time ago but never really posted anything. So I'll start off by asking a question.

About two months ago I decided it was time to get into shape and I started working with a personal trainer at my local gym. Right now I'm doing strength training three times per week and cardio three times per week. I've been thinking about possibly picking up a MA to replace my cardio workout. Let's face it - running on a treadmill or elliptical for more than eight minutes is far too uninteresting for me. So I guess I have two questions.

Would coupling a MA with my strength training be too intense for a beginner such as myself? (I guess that would depend on which style though...)

So are there any particular styles that are better suited for this than others?

[ap Oweyn]

It looks like I registered here a long time ago but never really posted anything. So I'll start off by asking a question.

About two months ago I decided it was time to get into shape and I started working with a personal trainer at my local gym. Right now I'm doing strength training three times per week and cardio three times per week. I've been thinking about possibly picking up a MA to replace my cardio workout. Let's face it - running on a treadmill or elliptical for more than eight minutes is far too uninteresting for me. So I guess I have two questions.

Would coupling a MA with my strength training be too intense for a beginner such as myself? (I guess that would depend on which style though...)

So are there any particular styles that are better suited for this than others?
I'm no conditioning expert. But I'd say that some classes are definitely going to be better than others if aerobic conditioning is your goal. You're probably going to want a class with a particular training style. Less talking and theory and more participation and experience. That doesn't necessarily fall strictly along style lines. You might, for instance, find a taekwondo school where the teacher tends to lecture. But another school might have you running laps, doing kicking drills, and sparring until you're ready to drop.

That said, I'd have a look for some of the competitive-based arts. Boxing, kickboxing, muay thai, Brazilian jiujutsu, MMA, etc. Because performance is going to be such a fundamental part of their outlook on training, you're likely to get a lot of conditioning work plus an overall "deeds, not words" outlook. Both of which are going to keep you moving and not wondering how much longer the lecture is going to last.

That's a generalization, of course. Always is. The true measure is always going to be checking out a few classes and seeing what's what. But as a general guideline, if you're not moving the whole hour, you're probably going to get frustrated.



Stuart

[PrISM]

I visited a school this weekend and sat in on their MMA class. The school is about 30-35 minutes from where I live and they have classes for many different styles. They do MMA, BJJ, Muay Thai along with some others like Kung Fu and Aikido. Membership runs for $115 per month and that includes access to both of their facilities (they have two) and you can get in on any class you like how ever often you like.

So what are some of the things I should look for to determine whether or not this is a 'black-belt factory?' Do you guys think this is too expensive?

[Divine Wind]

So what are some of the things I should look for to determine whether or not this is a 'black-belt factory?' Do you guys think this is too expensive?

You are already on the path to finding this out for yourself through observation.

Before you commit, observe a few more classes. Find out when their biggest class days are and watch one or two of those. Find out what day or days they test each month and observe the different levels of testing. Are the students just going through the motions or do they really know what they are doing?

The absolute best method, IMHO, is to go with them to a tournament. "Talk is cheap" as the saying goes. Observe the dojo's students in competition, both forms and sparring. If they hold their own, they are fine. If they win all categories, sign up immediately. If they get their clocks cleaned all around, consider saving your money for the next Bruce Lee film festival.

This next thought can be a bit controversial. Like anything else in our community, a Dojo survives on funding. The $115/month fee covers some costs but not all. Testing is another means to generate finances since each time a student tests for a belt they pay a fee. The higher the belt, the higher the fee. Some of this cost goes to the national HQ of the dojo's style, most of it stays in the dojo.

Testing and belts are a means of determining a student's level of expertise. They can give a student a sense of accomplishment. OTOH, the system can be abused as you alluded in order to generate income.

If you are in a dojo where students are going through one belt test/fee per month with only a couple classes per week, I'd start to suspect it is a belt-factory.

Hope this helps.

[LaFaz]

This section is for those who are about to start off down the 'long and winding road' that is Martial Arts. Feel free to ask any question, no matter how daft (within reason) you may think it is.

We are all here to learn, and even the seemingly amazing rank of black belt is just another step on the journey.

Some basic advice :

There is no 'best martial art'. Everyone is different and has different needs.

If you want to find out if a martial art suits you, then go along and try it. Most arts encourage beginners and will let you have a lesson for free (or at least not require you to pay a 'membership fee')

Welcome to the site, and to the world of Martial Arts.

HKF. :D


HKF, I'm 38 years old and I'm going to start practicing again after a ten year layoff. the best options in my area are aikido and vee arnis jujitsu. what do you know about vee arnes and aikido. no insult to either art but vee is relatively new and aikido seems a little choreographed. please help

[melal2003]

I am in Memphis. I train in all styles but I like one style much more than the others. SNKD is that style but my teacher named abeouin bledsoe quit working with me because i would not bring my manual chair to practice. DO you know anybody body else in memphis that does SNKD?

[hapkidoangel]

Hi Hongkongfuey,

It was good to read your comment welcoming questions from beginners. After 10 years of Tai Chi, I felt I needed a somewhat harder MA, and have taken up the Korean MA of Hapkido. Daft as it seems I feel I'm back on a long, but good learning curve. Do all Martial artists feel this way?
Have a good day,
Hapkidoangel

[pakuazhangkid]

If your looking for a an intrunal martial arts then Pa-Kua Zhang is a great style to practice.:cool:

[aikiwolfie]

I really must remind Saz to hurry up with that spell checker :rolleyes:

[memmek10k]

I am just starting out in martial arts and was wondering on average how long does it take to get a black belt?

[pmosiun]

I am just starting out in martial arts and was wondering on average how long does it take to get a black belt?

I have a friend that started Judo aged 12 and is now a Brown Belt. He is now about 20 years old. 8 years different from the time he started till brown belt. He has impressive abs, it is obvious that he trains a lot. Although he has little confidence in Judo because he has not yet realize that people who cannot fight on the ground would not be able to bet him and that does not help the fact that the only last local Judo club is getting less popular after the arrival of Brazillian JiuJitsu here. To answer the original question, if you train really hard, you can get a black belt after 10 years.

[memmek10k]

thank you

[shootodog]

I am just starting out in martial arts and was wondering on average how long does it take to get a black belt?

depends on what art. bjj could take years and years. others less. but i say why would it matter? martial arts is about the learning not the title.

[aikiwolfie]

Umm ... you want to do what?

[jobeth]

depends on what art. bjj could take years and years. others less. but i say why would it matter? martial arts is about the learning not the title.

i totally agree, and which is the main reason i want to get back into it. learning and the way it affects my life - not the title or belt. http://www.photopile.info/img/c/C.gif

[OneUnder]

Hi guys, I'm not sure how active this thread is anymore but I'm going to go ahead and post my questions anyway and see if I'm lucky enough for a response.
So I'm a 15 year old girl, I stand about 5'10" and weight 218 lbs. I want to take up a MA that is sport based...i.e. I want to train to fight in bouts. I've considered Muay Thai and BJJ, but I really don't know that much about them. I want something that combines striking, grappling, and footwork. I'm not asking for which MA is the best, just which are the more sport-based ones and what do they involve? I want to fight like they do in UFC (sort of that general idea, anyway).

If I were to take up a sport MA to possibly train for bouts, would my instructor want me to be in good shape when first starting out? Are instructors willing to spend the time to get their fighters in good shape, or do they want someone who's in good shape to start out with? I'm not in good shape so I need some kind of solution...

To sum it all up, I want to know which MA are most sport-based and what do most instructors expect at the beginning from someone wanting to train under them?

Thanks for any help and advice!

[Frodocious]

You have a couple of choices...

You could start with MMA immediately, or you could train in a striking style (e.g. Muay Thai) and a grappling style (e.g. BJJ or Judo) and when you are more comfortable with each, start at a MMA gym.

Instructors (and other students) in all styles should be understanding of beginners, so don't let that put you off. I wouldn't worry about not being very fit, the instructor should make allowances for it and you will get fitter the more you train. You could also supplement your martial arts classes with gym sessions.

[progdan]

Yeah, don't put off training because of fitness, fitness will come as a result of training...

[Reuniel]

yes i heard about this indian art (cant remember what its called) that is based on using the voice as a weapon to cause disruptive vibrations in internal orgarns due to us being 70% or something near it water .... is this possible

its called Kiaijutsu and its acctualy japanese.
and YES it is dangerous and it is real, if done properly and for long enough it can acctualy kill people

[illegalusername]

its called Kiaijutsu and its acctualy japanese.
and YES it is dangerous and it is real, if done properly and for long enough it can acctualy kill people
Seems to be real dangerous.
I mean, even just reading that made my eyes roll so violently i think i ruptured something.


Sweet jesus, I guess there really is one born every minute

[Reuniel]

obviously we have a non believer on our hands.
it is as real as dim mak and as effective as jujutsu itself. just because YOU cant do it doesnt mean its not any less effective.

[Spinmaster]

Video please. Or is it to dangerous to record? I wouldn't want to have my eardrums ruptured through my laptop speakers! ;)

[illegalusername]

it is as real as dim mak
When i read this, i gathered my Ki in my Lower Dan Tien while inhaling, followed by letting out the air and Ki with a loud "HA" sound.

It went on for a while too.

[aikiwolfie]

its called Kiaijutsu and its acctualy japanese.
and YES it is dangerous and it is real, if done properly and for long enough it can acctualy kill people

I remember seeing this on Mind, Body and Kick Ass Moves. The master would ring a bell purely by the power of his own kiai. I couldn't help but notice though that ever time the bell rang the master was stamping his foot on the ground.

In principle if a person could produce a powerful enough shock wave just by exhaling air or shouting, then it could be effective. The question is though. Can a person produce that amount of power? And being able to ring a bell with your voice does not mean we can destroy or damage internal organs.

I'm not convinced a person can. Ultrasound is pretty powerful technology. It can be passive enough to let us see inside people or it can be aggressive enough to destroy kidney stones and leave you peeing blood and calcium shrapnel for a month. I don't think anybody can operate at calcium busting ultrasound levels.

[Jt Pickels]

Hey guys, I'm obviously new here and i'm looking to start a martial art, I'm interested in Jujitsu and i used to do Keshin Karate when i was 7-9 years old, i'm 15 now and want to try something new, Is there any Jujitsu classes in Northampton? I'm not fit as i have not been active for the past 2-3 years, do i have to be reasonably fit to start?
Anyway thanks in advance.

[Frodocious]

I can't help you with schools but no, you don't have to be fit to start, you will get fit as you train and you can always supplement your classes with gym work to assist fitness.

[illegalusername]

Hey guys, I'm obviously new here and i'm looking to start a martial art, I'm interested in Jujitsu and i used to do Keshin Karate when i was 7-9 years old, i'm 15 now and want to try something new, Is there any Jujitsu classes in Northampton? I'm not fit as i have not been active for the past 2-3 years, do i have to be reasonably fit to start?
Anyway thanks in advance.
Don't wait to get fit before training, get fit BY training. :)

[aikiwolfie]

Hey guys, I'm obviously new here and i'm looking to start a martial art, I'm interested in Jujitsu and i used to do Keshin Karate when i was 7-9 years old, i'm 15 now and want to try something new, Is there any Jujitsu classes in Northampton? I'm not fit as i have not been active for the past 2-3 years, do i have to be reasonably fit to start?
Anyway thanks in advance.

No. Fitness training is as much of martial arts as learning techniques and stuff. So go right a head and get stuck in.

[Reuniel]

Hey guys, I'm obviously new here and i'm looking to start a martial art, I'm interested in Jujitsu and i used to do Keshin Karate when i was 7-9 years old, i'm 15 now and want to try something new, Is there any Jujitsu classes in Northampton? I'm not fit as i have not been active for the past 2-3 years, do i have to be reasonably fit to start?
Anyway thanks in advance.

the best way to get fit for jujutsu is as they all said, by doing jujutsu. thats what kyu's are about, you dont actualy learn any proper techniques until your a black belt, all the kyu grades are basically just getting you fit, and drilling the basics in.
BUT you could stretch at home everyday, that helps me a TON because I can kick higher, and its harder to submit someone who is more flexible than you. not saying join a yoga group but just your normal athlete stretches do the trick.

[Jt Pickels]

Ok thanks guys, i'll look around for a class i can attend, and i'll start joggin regularly. I'll let you dudes know how i'm doing when i find a class :running:

[Reuniel]

Ok thanks guys, i'll look around for a class i can attend, and i'll start joggin regularly. I'll let you dudes know how i'm doing when i find a class :running:

if you are too lazt too go jogging you can just use the skipping rope.
like bruce lee said, ten minutes with the skipping rope, is more than half an hour jogging.

[Jt Pickels]

:0 I so need to get a skippin rope

[progdan]

Yeah skipping is fantastic for a workout

[Reuniel]

Video please. Or is it to dangerous to record? I wouldn't want to have my eardrums ruptured through my laptop speakers! ;)

YouTube - Kiai attack
it looks a bit fake but all the facts and evidence adds up

[illegalusername]

YouTube - Kiai attack (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9rl1EvJX_k)
it looks a bit fake but all the facts and evidence adds up
Just... where does it add up?
And what does it add up to?

[Aegis]

No, it IS fake. It works by effectively instilling a sense of loyalty in the students so that they believe it will work. Then when they attack their mind does all the work for them.

That guy's explanation of the body being water, etc, is complete rubbish. In order to have any effect using a shockwave on the water specifically, you'd need to hit the harmonic frequency of water. For anyone unaware of this, the frequency required is in the light spectrum and is commonly referred to as "microwave frequency". The fact that there's a cooking device by the same name is no coincidence: if you hit the harmonic frequency of water you effectively cook whatever the water is contained in.

Not to mention your own voice-box and body, plus anyone else standing within range of the emitter.

In any case, this video nicely shows why relying on this sort of technique would be a really bad idea:

YouTube - Kiai Master vs MMA

Similar idea, different far-fetched explanation of how it works, equally useless when actually tested:

YouTube - 'The Human Stun Gun' Investigation

And another:

YouTube - George Dillman - National Geographic Channel

Quite simply, these things do not work on non-believers, therefore they are useless techniques to learn.


Now, a kiai in itself can be quite useful, especially if your mouth happens to be fairly near someone's ear or if you have difficulty breathing while striking. Intimidation can also be a factor, but probably less of one than the correct breathing, intent and effect of the striking that is accompanied by one (or the ringing/disorientation that comes from yelling really loud in someone's ear... not a pleasant sensation). It's also possibly going to attract attention to the fact that you're in trouble if we're talking about self defence situations.

However, on its own will a kiai do anything remotely dangerous to the human body (aside from to the eardrums)? Nope. It's physiologically just not possible.

[Reuniel]

says you
Im not looking for an argument and I cant say that it works with 100% certainty BUT if your so sure why dont you go see if you can stand getting hit with A strike from a kiai or dim mak master.

[Moi]

says you
Im not looking for an argument and I cant say that it works with 100% certainty BUT if your so sure why dont you go see if you can stand getting hit with A strike from a kiai or dim mak master.

I'm sure there was a million dollars up for grabs if anyone could prove it. Considering how publicity seeking these guys are, don't you think they'd have taken the money and proved their power?

Check out the video of the Grandmaster (poor deluded fool)that challenged an MMAer to a fight. So funny!

YouTube - Kiai Master vs MMA

[koyo]

says you
Im not looking for an argument and I cant say that it works with 100% certainty BUT if your so sure why dont you go see if you can stand getting hit with A strike from a kiai or dim mak master.

Most difficult because they do not exist outside of their own minds.

Had one who could face four of his own students brandishing swords but could not last ten minutes hard training.Or face me with a sword.:evil:

Save yourself time and start serious study.


koyo

[Spinmaster]

Or face me with a sword. :evil:

That would have been sweet to see! :D

[koyo]

I have met so many "exponents of ki" that it is no longer amusing.
Ki is intention +fighting spirit.
The rest is supposition.

koyo

[Aegis]

says you
Im not looking for an argument and I cant say that it works with 100% certainty BUT if your so sure why dont you go see if you can stand getting hit with A strike from a kiai or dim mak master.
If one of them wants to come to the dojo I train in to try and use dim mak or a kiai technique against me, I'm more than happy to turn up and allow him to try his little bit of fun. I'm not willing to go out of my way to check out every questionable claim in martial arts: the fact is that if something like this genuinely worked, a) we'd all be using it, and b) someone would have claimed James Randi's $1million challenge for proof of supernatural abilities.

[aikiwolfie]

No, it IS fake. It works by effectively instilling a sense of loyalty in the students so that they believe it will work. Then when they attack their mind does all the work for them. ...

In other words. The students are brainwashed into believing, they are bullied into believing and humiliated into believing. I've seen this happen first hand and walked away from a Ki Aikido club after 10 years of practice because it started down that slippery slope to the reject bin.

Take a loan individual and put them in a room with 20 "believers" and that loan individual will instinctively want to be like everybody else in the group. This "instinct" is biologically hard-wired into our brains. Scientists have even pinpointed the exact group of specially adapted braincells responsible. Incidentally this behavioural instinct is also a key part in the way humans and other primates learn new skills.

So you go to a martial arts class. You're shown Ki being used to knock people over without touching them half a dozen times. Next it's your turn. There's a degree of success. The key wammy worked on you too so it must be real.

Wrong! You're simply doing what you subconsciously or even consciously think your supposed to do because you've just watched it happen to the believers half a dozen times. The more your exposed, the more it works on you.

Interestingly however, the second you don't play by the rules of the game the house of cards collapses and either a copious flow of excuses and reasons begins to flood out or an irate torrent of "how dare you question me" comes thundering your way.

[Reuniel]

No one would, because its a western way of thinking, its not a martial artists way of thinking. of course most videos brought to our attention are of frauds who are trying to take advantage of todays media BUT if YOU were a kiai master, would you tell the world? would you go out and look for a fight? would you go on Randis show and prove him wrong?
I can tell you right now that f you were able too, you wouldnt even have an account here.
martial artists dont draw attention to themselves, they acctualy try to keep attention OFF of themselves, (true martial artists anyway). I can see that this is an argument neither of us will win, BUT think of what I asked, would YOU go around hurting people just to show that you can do something different?
and in any case Randi has only ever had half wits on his show, and as far as I can remember he tries to proove PSYCIC abilities t be false, he said nothing of energies (such as ki or chi). his entire show is based on imaginary laws of physics, can be (and probably have been) broken.
just because you dont believe it because you cannot see yourself ever being able to accomplish something like kiai, doesnt mean it is not as dangerous as even karate, or boxing

[aikiwolfie]

Well when someone flatly denies the testimony of another who has personally witnessed first hand how these falsehoods and lies are perpetuated then you're right. There's no point to the discussion.

Go your way in peace brother.

End of story.

[Moi]

The only dim mak I know to work has a delay period of indeterminable time. Sometimes it weeks, more often it's years. Sometimes up to 50. Guaranteed if you have the patience.

[progdan]

^ lol.

[Aegis]

No one would, because its a western way of thinking, its not a martial artists way of thinking.

Think of a list of all the martial arts currently being practised throughout the world. Every last one of the good ones was brought to the rest of the world by proving itself effective, not by simply being awesome and not promoting itself. Jigoro Kano is a prime example, going so far as to push the art that he developed into the mainstream to the point where it was adopted into the Olympics only a few decades after its creation as a sport. Before that he developed the art by issuing challenges to local jujutsu schools to ensure that what he had created was a viable way to learn to fight. This is the martial artist's original way of thinking right down to a T. Develop an art through prior training and refinement, then test it, then (in modern times at least) spread it around the world to make it available to anyone willing to put in the hours.

It is usually just an excuse to refuse to do any of this because "it's not the martial artist's way of doing things".


of course most videos brought to our attention are of frauds who are trying to take advantage of todays media BUT if YOU were a kiai master, would you tell the world?

Damn right I would. I'd want to advance our knowledge of the human body and science in general. Hoarding knowledge like that would be pure selfishness.

would you go out and look for a fight?

No, but if I were making wild claims I'd be happy for the opportunity to test the claims against non-compliant training partners. I'd also want to understand what I was doing. As mentioned, the guy on the video you posted talked about effectively the molecular agitation of water. This is absolute rubbish, the molecular agitation of water is microwave cooking, and the human voicebox can't generate a sound that would resonate something with a harmonic frequency on the microwave scale. Even if it could, it would cook itself slowly to do so.

Even working on the assumption that this guy can do what he says he can, his explanation is right out and he would only benefit from getting someone who actually knows about sound, light and basic properties of matter to work out what he's doing so it could be understood.

would you go on Randis show and prove him wrong?

Absolutely I would, as would anyone with any sense. $1million is an enormous amount of money for most people, and even if he didn't want it there are charities which would! It's not even a show, it's just a simple scientific experiment to test the validit of this sort of claim. The proposer of the claim can even design the experiment himself as long as it meets basic scientific rigour and operates on a double-blind standard if test subjects are involved.

I can tell you right now that f you were able too, you wouldnt even have an account here.

I can do some pretty cool things myself, I'm still here because I actually value sharing information with others. Information on how to avoid charlatans is available precisely because there are so many martial artists with an open and honest attitude to their knowledge.

martial artists dont draw attention to themselves, they acctualy try to keep attention OFF of themselves, (true martial artists anyway). I can see that this is an argument neither of us will win, BUT think of what I asked, would YOU go around hurting people just to show that you can do something different?

Training hurts in general.

However, if you mean "would I go around beating people up", then no, I wouldn't and I don't. However, I would happily go and train with people who invited me along and would be keen to show others what I can do if asked. That's exactly how I see myself.

and in any case Randi has only ever had half wits on his show, and as far as I can remember he tries to proove PSYCIC abilities t be false, he said nothing of energies (such as ki or chi). his entire show is based on imaginary laws of physics, can be (and probably have been) broken.

They haven't, the laws of physics are still intact. Hence being laws.

People similar to George Dillman and his fake ki abilities have been tested in the past and found to be faking their abilities, whether intentionally or without even their own knowledge.

just because you dont believe it because you cannot see yourself ever being able to accomplish something like kiai, doesnt mean it is not as dangerous as even karate, or boxing

The level of energy in shouting is so low that you would need to shout at a cold cup of coffee for over 3 years to get it to heat up. That's physics, and that shows just how little energy is transmitted via sound waves. If you expect me to believe that this tiny amount of energy is enough to floor someone or physically stop them in their tracks, you'll need a lot more than an accusation about me being closed-minded in some way.

I'm not, by the way. I'm more than happy to try new things when it comes to martial arts, and I have adapted my personal style over the years to incorporate bits that I like from all sorts of arts. I see nothing of merit in any of the no-touch techniques that have been demonstrated around me so far, so I still don't use any of them.

[illegalusername]

and in any case Randi has only ever had half wits on his show, and as far as I can remember he tries to proove PSYCIC abilities t be false, he said nothing of energies (such as ki or chi).
This has been discussed and yes, he will literally give you a million dollars for proving Ki exists. Way not to do your research again.

his entire show is based on imaginary laws of physics, can be (and probably have been) broken.

As a martial artist, reading your drivel up to this point had been a pain.
<< Personal attacks removed - The Admins >>


In closing i would want to say that the non cursing policy of this forum has made me resort to words i would not normally use.

[ArthurKing]

Hello? This is planet earth, i don't have to have asked everybody in the world to boil water in their hands to know that it is not possible, i don't have to ask everyone to fly to know that the human body can't do it, it simply doesn't have the capability. Human vocal chords are not capable of causing injury directly (but possibly causing discomfort). If you want to pursue this line of inquiry by all means do so and i, for one, would certainly be interested in your results. Keep it real Tai-gip, and are you still there anyway?

[ArthurKing]

P.S. I must stop thinking that the quick reply box means it's the end of the thread...

[Reuniel]

thats exactley what they said to newton upon his dicovery of gravity.
kiai is not about using your vocal chords
its about using your muscle's to send vibrations into your oponent. whoever said kiai is about screaming is flaud.
you dont use your voice box, you use your abbs and othermuscles to force air through your mouth creating vibrations and so on ad so fourth, the sound of the yell is only caused because if done correctley there will be a sound.
karatekas dont yell and scream, they breath.

[Aegis]

thats exactley what they said to newton upon his dicovery of gravity.

No they didn't. Newton's Laws of motion and gravity were testable by anyone anywhere with a little bit of patience. This isn't. In fact, this fails every time it is tested by skeptics, indicating that the entire process is something other than a physical effect, most probably either a flat-out act or a suggested response through indoctrination.

kiai is not about using your vocal chords

It might not be just about using your vocal chords, but that's what generates the sound wave of the shout.

its about using your muscle's to send vibrations into your oponent. whoever said kiai is about screaming is flaud.

What's the medium for the transmission of this vibration? If it's air, then it's a soundwave, and soundwaves are modulated by the voicebox. If it's something in the EM spectrum, how is it generated and how is it controlled enough that it can target an opponent but not yourself or others around your opponent?

Seriously, you have some pretty simple basic science to overcome when you make claims like this.

you dont use your voice box, you use your abbs and othermuscles to force air through your mouth creating vibrations and so on ad so fourth

The vibrations are caused by the voicebox. That's what modulates the sound to turn it into a specific frequency. Remove the voicebox and you remove the sound altogether, thereby removing one of the two possible methods of transmitting this "force" to your opponent (the other being light, as I'm eliminating nuclear and gravitational forces from the equation as these would be far to easy to test and discredit).

the sound of the yell is only caused because if done correctley there will be a sound.
karatekas dont yell and scream, they breath.

Please feel free to explain how this pseudoscience is supposed to work, and I'll happily dismantle all the claims. Quite simply, there is NO science which allows the transmission of force from one body to another without a medium, and unless you claim to be generating electromagnetic, gravitational or nuclear forces you're pretty much left with a soundwave, which has its own problems, as already identified.

[Spinmaster]

thats exactley what they said to newton upon his dicovery of gravity.

I tend to think Newton's arguments were more logical and thought-out than yours have been so far. ;)


kiai is not about using your vocal chords

Ah, right, so the Japanese had no idea what they were talking about when they named it "spirit yell". :rolleyes:


its about using your muscle's to send vibrations into your oponent. whoever said kiai is about screaming is flaud.
you dont use your voice box, you use your abbs and othermuscles to force air through your mouth creating vibrations and so on ad so fourth, the sound of the yell is only caused because if done correctley there will be a sound.
karatekas dont yell and scream, they breath.

So now kiai is about super breath? Let me find my cape and my red and blue underwear...

Just a note, my Aikido Coach loves the kiai, and insists we "make noise", but it isn't because it's some "super weapon." It's because:

1. It forces you to breath. Something that beginners (like myself) tend to forget. :D

2. It adds power to your strikes by contracting the abdominal muscles, etc.

3. The aggressor may not be expecting you to make noise, so the kiai may have a pyschological effect on him.

Actually, don't quote me on the last one, I think he mentioned that, but it's been a while since the conversation and I'm not 100% certain.

[koyo]

KI means fighting spirit and intent.
Ki AI means to "bring together" the breathing ,intent and technique so as to make the action more powerfull.You can vocalise this or not..just as effective either way.

Kiai is NOT the noise it also permeates the body as the strike is kime'd (focused)

regards koyo

[Dean Winchester]

Reuniel,

I've already shown you in a previous thread you don't know as much as you think you do. So why not entertain the possibility that you could be wrong here and listen to these folks who have, in all likelihood, got a fair bit more experience than you.

[spidersfrommars]

thats exactley what they said to newton upon his dicovery of gravity.
kiai is not about using your vocal chords
its about using your muscle's to send vibrations into your oponent. whoever said kiai is about screaming is flaud.
you dont use your voice box, you use your abbs and othermuscles to force air through your mouth creating vibrations and so on ad so fourth, the sound of the yell is only caused because if done correctley there will be a sound.
karatekas dont yell and scream, they breath.

http://koltchak91120.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/facepalm.jpg

[Reuniel]

look say what you want, Im done arguing ( and if you believe its because Im wrong and an idiot so be it). I cannot explain why or how Kiai works but it does, your all entitled to your opinions as am I.
As for the "screaming", your suppossed to breath in a way that causes you to make an involuntary yelling noise when doing karate or jujutsu (japanese masters teach ou how to breath first then as you prgress and your breathing becomes stronger it ends up in a yell). if you know what your listening to and what your listening for you can easily tell the difference between someone who just yells as loud as he can, and someone who is breathing properly.

[illegalusername]

look say what you want, Im done arguing ( and if you believe its because Im wrong and an idiot so be it). I cannot explain why or how Kiai works but it does, your all entitled to your opinions as am I.
Ah, the "Taking my ball and going home" argument.
The mark of a man of science

[Iam]

Not read the whole thread sorry, and don't want to interrupt a perfectly good row, but has anyone mentioned that some thoughts have a certain sound, that being the equivalent to a form. Through sound and motion, you will be able to paralyze nerves, shatter bones, set fires, suffocate an enemy or burst his organs?

[Dean Winchester]

Why is it people can't just rely and a good old hard punch?

[koyo]

Why is it people can't just rely and a good old hard punch?

You must admit it is even better if you YELL cop that you motha!!!!!

koyo

[Dean Winchester]

Well round by me it often is someones mother :eek:

[Aegis]

Not read the whole thread sorry, and don't want to interrupt a perfectly good row, but has anyone mentioned that some thoughts have a certain sound, that being the equivalent to a form. Through sound and motion, you will be able to paralyze nerves, shatter bones, set fires, suffocate an enemy or burst his organs?
As long as those motions are hitting an opponent, applying a nasty joint lock, using a lighter, applying a choke hold or hitting an opponent REALLY hard, then it's possible. Otherwise you're not going to achieve anything through shouting or waving at an opponent ;)

[Iam]

:)

[spidersfrommars]

As long as those motions are hitting an opponent, applying a nasty joint lock, using a lighter, applying a choke hold or hitting an opponent REALLY hard, then it's possible. Otherwise you're not going to achieve anything through shouting or waving at an opponent ;)

Well you might make them feel awkward enough that they decide to just leave you alone, but it's not the most reliable move :P

[aikiwolfie]

thats exactley what they said to newton upon his dicovery of gravity.
kiai is not about using your vocal chords
its about using your muscle's to send vibrations into your oponent. whoever said kiai is about screaming is flaud.
you dont use your voice box, you use your abbs and othermuscles to force air through your mouth creating vibrations and so on ad so fourth, the sound of the yell is only caused because if done correctley there will be a sound.
karatekas dont yell and scream, they breath.
Clearly you have no understanding as to how the human body produces sound. Lets see. We force air from our lungs out of our mouths which when passing over the vocal chords which if done correctly causes them to vibrate. That sound is further tuned using the tongue and lips to shape the mouth to produce the desired sound.

[reedk]

Different strokes for different folks. Everyone will have their likes and dislikes and strengths and weaknesses. Yes check ou the schools first and see what will interest you before going all out. If you are not excited about certain styles like kung then you can get hurt if you are not concentrating 100% in class and going thru the motions as kung fu stresses breathing. (even karate too)


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[shootodog]

why do the interesting nuts come out while i'm away???

[Krav Maga Brist]

hehe k_girl

Incorrect breathing can cause various problems.

Apart from hyperventilation and such, breathing with tension can allow you to sample heart attack, hernia, heomorrhaging blood vessels, ruptured and degraded (torn) organs.

How about poor digestion and and perhaps halitosis.

Your rate of breathing has a bearing on your nervous state eg fast breathing can eventually turn you into a nervous wreck.

Breathing in through the mouth can admit harmful foreign bodies and exhaling through the mouth loses your body moisture and heat. That maybe a factor, dependent on situation.

Breathing damp air will chill your bones.

I heard of a man who practiced breathing methods solidly for a couple of days and, upon finishing, realised to his horror that his unconscious breathing mechanism had switched off. He had an interesting two or three days kick-starting the autonomous process.

Rgds,
David

Erm read this with a mixture of horror and amusement.

Whilst I agree that breathing can effect heart rate, mental state and various other things the rest of this post is fundamentally wrong and ignorant of the basic processes of biology.

You cannot "switch off" your unconscious breathing mechanism. This is inaccurate and untrue. - trauma, pathological disease and drugs can. If I recall correctly breathing is controlled by the medulla oblongatta and is situated in the so called "Brain Stem" along with heart rate, swallowing and basic functions of life. These cannot be switched off.

Many of the other claims here are highly questionable -

Damp air will chill the bones ??????? I am sorry this is untrue. It could aggravate existing medical conditions bronchitus etc but it wont 'chill the bones". Go ask your local GP.

Bear in mind that chinese medicine is essentially a range of complex and medievil theories that when scientifically tested have not performed well compared against modern medicine. Even acupuncture was shown in several recent studies to be no more effective than a placebo.

Interesting Point
Chairman Mao Encouraged the use of traditional chinese medicine for the chinese people. He wanted chinese people to have chinese medicine - not 'Western medicine'. Effectiveness was less important than political correctness (Mao killed millions of his own people) but for himself and senior party it was Western medicine. Says it all really!!!!

[aikiwolfie]

It was probably a cost cutting measure. Western medicine is more expensive than traditional Chinese medicine in China. Considering the placebo effect is a powerful thing and in many cases just as effective as actual active ingredients. It does make sense to take advantage of that effect when you have more patients than you can otherwise afford to treat.

Another interesting point is that while western science has claimed to have discredited such traditional forms of healing. Western science is still looking at the ingredients used and observing their effects. Which would suggest many of these potions have some merit to them.

It's also important to note that quite often western medicine seeks to alleviate the symptoms and not actually tackle the cause. Doctors in China practising traditional Chinese medicine claim to be treating the cause of the ailment rather than the symptoms.

In both systems of medicine quite often the patients own body is actually healing it's self without any direct help from the treatment.

[Krav Maga Brist]

Having worked within the NHS for 20+ years I would disagree with this.

Western medicine is indeed expensive - partly as a result of increasingly complex and expensive procedures/medication and technology and partly because it has become a victim of its own success.

In other words - people live longer. Many who would have died earlier live a a debilitated life sometimes for a further decade or more - the costs, staff and resources required can go exceed £200 000 for an elderly person. I am not criticising this - just outlining the size of the issue.

Having audited clinical outcomes (including acupuncture) I can tell you that the efficacy of Western medicine remains unchallenged by traditional chinese medicine.

T.C.M can be an aid to some ailments in the same way as other alternative therapies. If as you suggest Western medicine was motivated only by cost cutting - we would see a significant rise in the use of alternative medicines. Whilst their effects may not be statistically significant - they are cost effective - if one discounts whether they actually cure anything.

The significant issue is not East versus West "science" or method but efficacy of treatment.

The same advantages can be gained via yoga, relaxation exercises, meditation even a relaxing bath in many cases. Typically the results (alleviation) are attributed to the patients expectation of the treatment- not the treatment its self - or the theories behind it.

From a pragmatic perspective - if you believe T.C.M will alleviate your minor pain/illness it may well do. If its a minor ailment and if you can afford it - there is no harm done. However if you are really ill and intend on relying on Chinese medicine - i would have great concern at the likely outcome.

Whether we like it or not, the reality is that western medicine, with its many flaws is the safest, most proven approach to health care around. I for one am glad of it.

Finally - the scientific model is predicated on testing a hypothesis to see if it works. Testing a drug/substance/process is not indicative of a belief taht something is a given cure. Sometimes, its the processing of ruling a variable out, investigating effect or simply something of interest to an individual or organisation.

[aikiwolfie]

Having worked within the NHS for 20+ years I would disagree with this. ... Having experienced NHS treatment my faith in the NHS isn't exactly unshaken.

[Krav Maga Brist]

Yes - I agree. Went in for minor surgery recently. Staff rude, Dr spoke over me as if I was not there and poor explanation of procedure. On the whole - customer service was not great.

However it worked and I have recovered. 70 years ago I would probably have eventually been unable to walk for lack of a simple medical intervention. Would accupuncture/chinese medicine have worked - no.

Its not perfect but does work.

[aikiwolfie]

So how do we link the NHS with the Beginning Martial Arts thread? I suggest we all do our level best not to get hit. ;)

[Kira]

I'm new to martial arts so I'll be taking my time to digest the information. I'm looking for a martial art that will be right for me and my daughter.

Keep up the good work

Kira x

[redneil75]

hi, just switched from bodybuilding to muay thai. could somebody point me in the direction of a decent weights routine suited to this? many thanks. neil

[Yohan]

hi, just switched from bodybuilding to muay thai. could somebody point me in the direction of a decent weights routine suited to this? many thanks. neil

You should check out the health and fitness section of our recommendations on weightlifting styles. I recommend you begin by reading the FAQ's. If you have any further questions, please feel free to start a thread and the staff or members will address your questions in a timely manner.

Regards,
John

[zairi faiezil]

This section is for those who are about to start off down the 'long and winding road' that is Martial Arts. Feel free to ask any question, no matter how daft (within reason) you may think it is.

We are all here to learn, and even the seemingly amazing rank of black belt is just another step on the journey.

Some basic advice :

There is no 'best martial art'. Everyone is different and has different needs.

If you want to find out if a martial art suits you, then go along and try it. Most arts encourage beginners and will let you have a lesson for free (or at least not require you to pay a 'membership fee')

Welcome to the site, and to the world of Martial Arts.

HKF. :D

I agree with his statement about the martial arts.

For me all the martial arts world has strengths and weaknesses. Importantly ourselves that determine which martial art suitable for us :cool:

[FaustoMerckx]

I will be moving to Cardiff in August and will be starting a martial art when I get there. I did some Shotokan Karate when I was younger but soon got fed up with prancing up and down a dojo all the time so I don't think I'll bother with that again. I am into Eastern philosophy, Buddhism and Taosim, so am looking for something that will compliment this, something that is mental as well as physical. I'm thinking aikido fits the bill? From what I've read I understand that it takes years to be able to put real aikido to use in a real situation, is this correct? I also want to do something involving strikes and that is instantly effective. There is pretty much every style of martial arts available in Cardiff and the surrounding area so I can do whatever I want. Krav Maga looks pretty brutal but effective, good combination with aikido? There is aikido te, is this what I'm looking for? Any suggestions will be much appreciated especially for specific schools as there is quite a selection to choose from. Manseikan aikido in Cardiff say that they concentrate on mind development, anyone know about them?

[reedk]

If there are schools that offer a free class before you sign up that would be good to try first before committing your monies to them.

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[flyingironpig]

Ehhh...there is a lot to be said for having a good teacher that you mesh with well, having said that striking is inherent in making Aikido a martial reality after training aikido for 5 years I trained striking twice. So like 10 minutes, yeah I never got to a point where I was supposed to be making my technique martial but striking is typically not stressed especially in a beginner class. Yes it does have a lot of the philosophical components depending on the school, as for how long it takes well it really just depends on how hard you train.... if you want both the striking/martial aspects and the philosophical aspects I suggest you try a traditional martial art like Okinawan karate, Hung Gar, or a MARTIAL Tai chi school

[Jaspar1988]

So this is my first post on MAP, and I apologize if someone has already asked this question (I haven't seen it anywhere), but what am I to expect on my first night of class?

I'm hoping to start a Combat Hapkido class in a couple of months (I can't right this moment due to my work and school schedule interfering), but have never done any sort of MA before.

[tanjil360]

Is it possible to learn tai chi with some books and video?

[Gigeran]

Is it possible to learn tai chi with some books and video?

I would say no, I would strongly advice finding a teacher, learning from books and video alone one tends to not learn things correctly and might miss important pointers. Plus in a class it's always more fun as well.

Using books and videos next to being taugth however can be a good thing to do (especially once you started and got some basics and understanding in).

Reading up via books to decide if you want to do it however is a good thing next to just visiting a school and joining in for 1 lesson to see if it works for you.

[tanjil360]

Thanks Gigeran,

But in my country (Bangladesh). there is no any teacher for tai chi as well as i know.. But i want to learn it... Because it's touches my heart...

[Gigeran]

Found this link doing a quick search on the internet.http://www.taichicentral.com/tai-chi-schools-of-the-world/tai-chi-in-bangladesh/tai-chi-in-bangladesh.html
It lists 3 addresses which might be able to give pointers to finding a teacher.

[tanjil360]

These location is no more there. Because live near the first position.....

Thanks in Advance.

[fyuan97]

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