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Orang Jawa
21-Mar-2006, 12:58 PM
Good morning everyone,
I've been around a long enough to see what happening with Silat activities and its applications be it in Indonesia or in the west, how the silat players demo their applications. Some silat players are very impresive and some are a jokes to say the least. IMHO sambut menyambut practice is a very important part of Silat, it gave a student better understanding the risks management, it gave them the advantages to learn speed, timing, power, balance, position, and save distance. However, this "part" is not practice regularly. Some of the silat players does not practice sambut menyambut enough or they never did. For example: Ippon kumite or one puch defense is a good starter to learn the art of fighting. Most of the players are still doing the same thing, they never move on to the next phase. I have seen in some of silat videos where the so called " whatever" demo a silat technique, the attacker attack with one punch then stop and the "whatever" apply more than five or more counter-attack/self-defense technique. Sometime its so obvious that the attacker can easily knock out this so called "whatever" in his second punch. Why this is happening? Honestly I don't know why?
Remember if you want to kick the tiger ass, beware of his fangs.
This is how we practice sambut menyambut.
We learn one technique at a time.
1. Agaisnt one punch, alternate left or right strikes.
2. Against two punches, silmutaneusly, alternate left or right first.
3. Against three punches, silmutaneusly, alternate left or right first.
4. Against three punches and silmutaneously follow by kicks, alternate front kick, side kick, roundhouse kick, back kick, sapu and bessets.
Last but not least a control freefighting.
Started with student must stay in a 4'x4' ring size. They must be able to reach their target. The attacker learn to how to apply the offensive techniques and the defender to learn the defensive techniques (this is the common mistakes, most attacker willingly to be defeated, results the defender did not properly applied his techniques). Most of all, the silat teacher and student adding to many technques before they were able to apply the first technique properly. They are forgot about the common saying: Quality not quantity. The above SOP is only for one technique.
If you do this routinely, say five times on each steps, it will take about fifteen minutes for one technique. Pak Lek said: The difference between basic technique and advance technique, advanced technique is the basic technique being practiced for million times."
Now lets go back to train, talk is cheap, keyboard warriors is dime a dozen.
And I could be wrong too, :bang:
Tristan

RAMANA1
21-Mar-2006, 06:57 PM
i agree with you totally on this methodology as to some static training tool..do you have a public school?is anyone welcome?could you share more training information for us beginners?could you tell us alittle about cimande footwork?training drills?--thankyou

Gajah Silat
21-Mar-2006, 10:04 PM
Pak OJ
We learn one technique at a time.
1. Agaisnt one punch, alternate left or right strikes.
2. Against two punches, silmutaneusly, alternate left or right first.
3. Against three punches, silmutaneusly, alternate left or right first.
4. Against three punches and silmutaneously follow by kicks, alternate front kick, side kick, roundhouse kick, back kick, sapu and bessets.

Exactly how we do it too.

Let's face it, if someone is going to attack you for real they are not going to come along and give you a particular punch that you've learnt a particular defense against. You've gotta cover as many eventualities as posible.

In fact last night , my "whatever" and myself were seemingly unconciously going through a couple of hand drills whilst having a chat!!

I actualy think my "teacher" does this on purpose as a training technique, because I usualy think, "I've been doing sambut x for 5 mins without even thinking about it!" But that's only when I forget to not think :confused:

Sometimes we do it with eyes closed to improve....er for want of a better word, sensitivity. To pick up on the non-visual attack clues that we give by tensing muscles etc.

As for keyboard warriors, it's either do a bit of work whilst perusing MAP, or sit and watch Desperate Housewives or whatever else is on TV at 10.00pm :) .

Orang Jawa
22-Mar-2006, 07:47 PM
Salam Gajah,
Glad to hear that you and your guru doing the sambut menyambut.
Closing your eyes is the next level. Prior to that the student must learn the techniques with his eyes open but in a close distance, we callet it "Rasa" or Feel. Both student standing straight and both of place their hand on each other shoulders. And then both step back with their right legs. This is the distance they must keep through out the "control sparring". This exercises will gave them the habits of changing their stances or kuda-kuda without stepping back, It will makes them pay attention to their opponent movements, it gave them confidence to execute the techniques without closing their eyes, and most of all, to feel it and react.
And I could be wrong too,
Tristan