what is the worst thing you have seen in a demo?

[psbn matt]

what is the worst thing you have seen in a demo, any demo not just kuk sool

[Unknown Entity]

Me! lol

No seriously - Kuk Sool is

Kjn Alex's Sword form
KJN Sung jins Crane on a cloud form and fast hands form
Kjn Harts 6 board break with knife hand
Kjn Watsons bottle breaks

Non Kuk Sool:

Chloe Bruce doing her musical forms....her flexiblity and leg strength is phenomenal!
Seen loads of other stuff but can't remember names etc

Once seen a sword cut that was amazing. Guy was lying on his back with an apple on his throat and the instructor drew his sword and sliced down cutting the apple in half perfectly.

And finally the kids that perform from the Shaolin Monks.

[Unknown Entity]

Sorry guys this was meant for the bests demos thread....ooops

[Silentmonk]

Me! lol

No seriously - Kuk Sool is

Kjn Alex's Sword form
KJN Sung jins Crane on a cloud form and fast hands form
Kjn Harts 6 board break with knife hand
Kjn Watsons bottle breaks

Non Kuk Sool:

Chloe Bruce doing her musical forms....her flexiblity and leg strength is phenomenal!
Seen loads of other stuff but can't remember names etc

Once seen a sword cut that was amazing. Guy was lying on his back with an apple on his throat and the instructor drew his sword and sliced down cutting the apple in half perfectly.

And finally the kids that perform from the Shaolin Monks.

Well at least the first line is in the right thread. And i'm sending Ms Bruce an email and she's gonna kick your ass for putting her in here. lol :D

[aml01_ph]

OK back on track. A karateka demonstarting a punch with a misaligned wrist.

[Grippereeno]

One thing that annoys me in the kuk sool demos (and im probably gonna get chastised for sayin it) are them litttle bb kids. dont get me wrong they were good the first time i saw them but i dont think they belong in a serious demo.

[Kwajman]

Really really lame self defense demonstations that are so poorly choreographed that my 10 year old could have beaten the "attackers".

[IBelieved]

A TaeKwon-Do black belt breaking his forearm while attempting a knife-hand strike through concrete bricks; he was at the wrong angle so his arm hit the edge of the bricks before his hand connected. It was obvious and ugly; turned off every potential student and really scared a lot of the current students (and their parents).

My second vote would be the highly unfortunate KSW demo a few years back where Sims KwangJangNym fractured the leg of his demo partner with that low spin kick. Same thing: I think that worried and scared a lot of spectators.

[Unknown Entity]

Some womens self defence where it is sooo unrealistic it makes me pee myself laughing! Do it right or don't do it at all.

[Unknown Entity]

One thing that annoys me in the kuk sool demos (and im probably gonna get chastised for sayin it) are them litttle bb kids. dont get me wrong they were good the first time i saw them but i dont think they belong in a serious demo.

The kuk sool demos are not meant to be completely serious though. It is a family martial art and parents will want to see there kids in the demos. Thats like a kjn saying I don't think first degrees should be in our demo! I like having kids in demos but I think KJn Duckers kids routine does go on too long.

To promote the art we have to show all kinds of people demonstrating!

I don't see any harm in letting them on for 5 minutes to demo there stuff. I think it promotes the art well as it shows what kids can really achieve besides a teenage pregnancy, a drug addiction and a council flat.

[Wolf]

A lame display of Ssang Dahn Bong Hyung done by a 2nd degree at the Troy tourney a couple years back. Stances were high and sloppy, movement was lackadaisical. The whole thing was boring and uninspired.

[Grippereeno]

The kuk sool demos are not meant to be completely serious though. It is a family martial art and parents will want to see there kids in the demos. Thats like a kjn saying I don't think first degrees should be in our demo! I like having kids in demos but I think KJn Duckers kids routine does go on too long.

To promote the art we have to show all kinds of people demonstrating!

I don't see any harm in letting them on for 5 minutes to demo there stuff. I think it promotes the art well as it shows what kids can really achieve besides a teenage pregnancy, a drug addiction and a council flat.

I tend to agree i suppose as a student practicing KSW i want to see all the best people performing the hardest things maybe thats bein selfish but hey...

[psbn matt]

I like having kids in demos but I think KJn Duckers kids routine does go on too long. .


i'll second that!

[aml01_ph]

A judoka performing what he says is a morote gari that is clearly a tai-otoshi.

[Choiyoungwoo]

Both of these threads were started at the same time and currently there are 4 posts for good demos and 11 for bad. thats almost a 3/1 ratio,,, isn't it interesting that we are soo good at focusing on the negative. I too have seen many BAD demos in ksw and elsewhere. .......anyway San Antonio TX 1986 or 87 there was this Korean TKD "master " attempting a pak sool break on some cinder blocks, after repeated "ki cho cha ki" disguised as chest puffing, he attempted without success, stumbled back and fell on his arse as his conciosness faded. Absolutely hilarious......he deserved it... :D :bang:

[AirNick]

Haha, would like to have seen that!

Nice use of 'arse' instead of 'ass' Choi :)

[psbn matt]

there's a video clip floating around map, that shows a guy doing a sword cutting demo where he has placed an apple on the throat of his student and then cut it in half, only he allso cuts the throat of his student, and just turns around and wipes the blood of his sword while the other guy is strecherd out.

[davefly76]

there's a video clip floating around map, that shows a guy doing a sword cutting demo where he has placed an apple on the throat of his student and then cut it in half, only he allso cuts the throat of his student, and just turns around and wipes the blood of his sword while the other guy is strecherd out.

yeah i've seen that. it's quite shocking actually. :eek:

[Unknown Entity]

I can just see Maxine and Matt doing this!!!

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/3553/karate_kick/

[Silentmonk]

I can just see Maxine and Matt doing this!!!

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/3553/karate_kick/

Wrong thread again Entity that is possibly the best demo i have ever seen. :D

[Gi Ma Ja Se]

lol entity... needs glasses he he he he :D cant see it at work as its a forbidden site.... D@m it!!! LOL

[AirNick]

Never trust a woman

[Unknown Entity]

Best demo or worst demo....really depends if you are the bloke or the girl....great demo for women.........not so great for the guy getting kicked in the chuckies!!

[Silentmonk]

Best demo or worst demo....really depends if you are the bloke or the girl....great demo for women.........not so great for the guy getting kicked in the chuckies!!

learns a new word "chuckies" lol :D

[Unknown Entity]

learns a new word "chuckies" lol :D

And Silentmonks education continues....today we are going to learn our ....

[psbn matt]

stop giving maxine ideas!

[Unknown Entity]

Sorry mate, I can't help it. The voices in my head keep telling me post these ideas!

[Shibby!]

Worst thing must be

Higher belts doing things that look crap! e.g. self defence routines

They are supposed to be showing what can be achevied with pracitce and coming along to class.

What i would want to see is the best folk in the class, regardless of belt doing things that show off skills.

It doesnt have to be set techniques e.g Punch kick.

i want to see people flying about like mad! Too often i see self defence routines all looking the same, kick punch, technique.

I want to see something different, crazy kicks crazy acrobatics in a self defence routine. With not the same focus on techniques as the other routines, but more along the lines of something you will see in a jackie chan film :)

That is whats going to impress people. Make them want to come and join.

Nick

[Unknown Entity]

Worst thing must be

Higher belts doing things that look crap! e.g. self defence routines

They are supposed to be showing what can be achevied with pracitce and coming along to class.

What i would want to see is the best folk in the class, regardless of belt doing things that show off skills.

It doesnt have to be set techniques e.g Punch kick.

i want to see people flying about like mad! Too often i see self defence routines all looking the same, kick punch, technique.

I want to see something different, crazy kicks crazy acrobatics in a self defence routine. With not the same focus on techniques as the other routines, but more along the lines of something you will see in a jackie chan film :)

That is whats going to impress people. Make them want to come and join.

Nick

I do and I don't disagree with you.

I agree that demo's should be flasy etc but to attract most people they will want to see the practicality of the art. I've been at plenty of demos and the people who sign up are the ones wanting to learn more practical techniques and not a jump 540 spin kick to defend against a knife attack for example! lol

Also if it is too flashy then people will think they will never be able to achieve that level. A demo should show the natural progression through the ranks to show the steady level of improvement.

As soon as you start demoing loads of acrobatics it turns into a gymnastics display if you ask me. Yes the flips and the tricks are part of Kuk sool but remember it is a traditional art!

People need to realise that we get taught techniques as a base for learning the technique. We need to freestyle the techniques into more realistic situations etc to show its real use if you ask me.

[Shibby!]

I do and I don't disagree with you.

I agree that demo's should be flasy etc but to attract most people they will want to see the practicality of the art. I've been at plenty of demos and the people who sign up are the ones wanting to learn more practical techniques and not a jump 540 spin kick to defend against a knife attack for example! lol

Also if it is too flashy then people will think they will never be able to achieve that level. A demo should show the natural progression through the ranks to show the steady level of improvement.

As soon as you start demoing loads of acrobatics it turns into a gymnastics display if you ask me. Yes the flips and the tricks are part of Kuk sool but remember it is a traditional art!

People need to realise that we get taught techniques as a base for learning the technique. We need to freestyle the techniques into more realistic situations etc to show its real use if you ask me.


You are totally right.

In a demo you want to see that.

I think there needs to be both though. The practicality beauty and grace of the art.

However i also think that you should see something mad, something that really impresses. That was its something that you can aspire to :)
If you see someone in a class doing that kind of thing, i think that make syou think its even more acheivable than watching it on tv.

When i watched martial arts films when i was a kid, i wanted to learn all the crazy jump kicks and high break falls.

There is room for both in a demo :)

What im really saying is, if in a demo its all just about practicality then i think people will get bored.

I also want to see things done really really well! Everything looking tight, i also want to see contact, of some sort, doesnt have to be full.


Nick

[Mung Kee]

The thing I don't like to see in demo's is when ALL the Jkn's, for instance, who know say..sword form.. get to demo it to the audience at an uninspiring boring pace.

I don;t see why everybody needs to take part? - I'd rather see, even 3 or 4 people doing a really impressive energic form than 25 people attempting to do it in time with each other. Some don't know what they're doing and when you watch it back on DVD just makes me cringe!! They're all over the place with a :confused: look on their face!

I know people will want to take part in the demo - they're moment of fame and all that - but if they don't have the standard they shouldn't be allowed...apart from the new promotees I supose. They should always be given a chance to demo as there'sprobably family in the audience wanting to see what you can do.

It would also ensure that you trained hard so that if you did want to be in the demo, you got in!!

while i'm on the subject - yeah it's good to have all the flips etc but i say leave them for the acrobatics demo, maybe the breaking part. Too much and people may think that's all we do - it's a KSW demo and should show the people watching the full range of Kuk Sool curriculum IMO.

Just my 2 cents

[davefly76]

I don;t see why everybody needs to take part? - I'd rather see, even 3 or 4 people doing a really impressive energic form than 25 people attempting to do it in time with each other.


kind of agree with you on that one.

at last years norwich demo there were around 30 ksn's all trying to do keun dae ryhun. we were told that we should all be on the mats. probably because it would look neater but that meant that i couldn't do the techniques properly incase i threw my partner on top of someone else! and doing number 8 was a nightmare! all i kept thinking was "i'm gonna clout someone when i do jump spin kick" so i end up not going for it and the whole routine ends up looking crap! :bang:

[dimmak]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7569982984516749691&q=wing+chun The worst thing i have seen in a demo is this...

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5323932798798503850&q=wing+chun

[Wolf]

For a training exercise I don't see what's so bad about that first one?

[ember]

On the other hand, a few people, especially synchronized, can be really cool. In Korea 2005 they started with a family of four doing joong geup hyung from a centerpoint. That was pretty neat!

kind of agree with you on that one.

at last years norwich demo there were around 30 ksn's all trying to do keun dae ryhun. we were told that we should all be on the mats. probably because it would look neater but that meant that i couldn't do the techniques properly incase i threw my partner on top of someone else! and doing number 8 was a nightmare! all i kept thinking was "i'm gonna clout someone when i do jump spin kick" so i end up not going for it and the whole routine ends up looking crap! :bang:

[Mung Kee]

On the other hand, a few people, especially synchronized, can be really cool. In Korea 2005 they started with a family of four doing joong geup hyung from a centerpoint. That was pretty neat!

totally agree - when it's synchronized it does look impressive.

that's kinda my point though. trying to synchronize 20 people with about 20 mins practice, who have never trained together before, doesn't seem to work IMO.

[psbn matt]

totally agree - when it's synchronized it does look impressive. though. trying to synchronize 20 people with about 20 mins practice, who have never trained together before, doesn't seem to work IMO.

having been in these kind of demo's for quite a few years now i would have to agree. i would rather see smaller groups of the same belt doing 1 thing than a larger group doing lots. e.g i group comes on and just does tech's, then the next group comes on and does forms, then the next group comes on and does weapons ect.
i would also like to see some more specialised demo's showcasing the indivdual skills of those involved.

[JKN-Taylor]

Best demo?

Why not appeal to all audiences?

Start with white-brown belt 7 year olds... bright eyed and stumbling. (the audience "ooos" and "Awwwwws")

Then go all advanced:

Hyung
pre-arranged Weapon Sparring
breaks
followed by a cheesy acrobatics display with some crappy aerobic techno soundtrack?

[ember]

Gee... that sounds rather familiar... :D

Best demo?

Why not appeal to all audiences?

Start with white-brown belt 7 year olds... bright eyed and stumbling. (the audience "ooos" and "Awwwwws")

Then go all advanced:

Hyung
pre-arranged Weapon Sparring
breaks
followed by a cheesy acrobatics display with some crappy aerobic techno soundtrack?

[JKN-Taylor]

lol... well I'm not the one putting em together >.>

[ember]

I know... I'm not sure I would call the music "cheesy" though. I had the same experience, last testing, that Brian describes - they set us up for nak bub, and the soundtrack started playing in my head.

And that was the day after February promotions. WHAT A DIFFERENCE a partner can make in that nak bub routine!

:love:

lol... well I'm not the one putting em together >.>

[JKN-Taylor]

we need to do a demo to some good old "Oi" ^_^