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Grimjack
26-Feb-2006, 05:17 AM
I got a PM from a newbie asking if I could reccomend some posts for him to read so he would not have to go through so much chaff to get to the wheat.

It seems like a reasonable request. But I thought it better to open up the conversation to everyone. So I am going to start things off with a great post by Snake Plisskin that I think of whenever I see someone try to talk about how tought their training is.


Wow; I didn't know it was that obvious I'd never had "hard training" before. Funny thing, that; I was really certain that I had.

Then again, if your definition of "hard training" consists of standing in a horse stance while some insane wack-job jumps on top of your legs as an excuse to put his crotch next to your face, we're simply not on the same page.

If your definition of "hard training" involves attending a camp where the older man in charge warns you not to masturbate in the shower, so as to avoid ejaculating on the shower floor, we are definitely not talking about the same thing.

No.

My "hard training" took place from August of 1998 and ended at exactly 10:14 am in Grand View Hospital in Perkasie, PA, December 8th, 2000.

And yet, it's continued for the past five years.

You see, my hard training started when my mom, Linda Landis, spat up a huge gout of blood into the kitchen sink two days before Tai Kai 1998, and was immediately admitted to Lehigh Valley Hospital. Diagnosis: throat cancer.
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When I arrived at Tai Kai--she insisted I make the ten hour drive--and met my warrior-brothers, they simply nodded their concern, and kept silent in the matter, wisely letting my thoughts be my own.
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While I was at Tai Kai, the doctors back home removed her trachea, esophagus, and larynx (voice box) and replaced the esophagus with a length of small intestine.

I spent my time--dark shading into light, light blurring into day, for over two years--weary and afraid, angry and, praying for a miracle that would never come, screaming insanities, and shrieking impotently at whatever god or devil would hear me, that she'd somehow be cured.

I despaired.

And yet, I persisted in helping her. She persisted, in living.

And I continued to train, and find strength in the Place Where the Warrior Gods Live. It was in that place, training beside the same kind of true warriors here on this forum whose words you've read, that I was shown that my heart might break, but it would never be lost, if I just had the will to keep going.
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And I kept going, even as I watched the cancer metastacize in her jaw, whereupon Dr. Koch of Lehigh Valley Hospital removed one-third of her jaw and attempted to reconstruct it using tissue from parts of her mouth, leaving bone chips under the surface that were unspeakably sharp, wiggling into her nerves.

MY "hard training" involved learning from her, as she fought, and fought, and kept on fighting, and we--my family and I--battled--BATTLED a healthcare company that seemed absolutely intent on having her die, as quickly and expediently as possible, so as to save them money on hospital bills.

My "hard training" was seeing her crumpled, half-alive, unconscious body, lying on that thinly-padded hospital "bed", then reading the chart next to her.

Two words.

Three syllables.

"Brain Tumor".

A death sentence.
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The cancer spread quickly after that.

My "hard training" involved having to interpret what my mother wrote, because the tumor began to crush that part of her brain that covers writing ability. I watched her literally stare in amazement as her hands wrote words she did not bid them write.

All the steroids on earth couldn't keep her brain from swelling.
Radiation couldn't.
Chemotherapy couldn't.
Prayers coudn't.
Nothing could stop it.

Did I act like you seem to imply all your "hard training" makes a man? A NINJA WARRIOR, an UNSHAKEABLE MACHINE IMMUNE TO PAIN, TO FEAR, TO EMOTION???

No.

In fact, I cried.

I wept uncontrollably.

I wept so hard, I'd drop to my knees, fall over, drunken with grief, bereft of reason, robbed of my dignity, not giving a damn what anyone thought of me.

I cried out loud until my throat burned itself hoarse; I wept until it seemed my heart would explode.

And yet, did I give up taking care of her?

No.

And yet, I'm sure you'll try to convince me that your little beachside vacation made of you sterner stuff than I, that being King of the Mat shaped you into a much tougher, resilient person, that all that "Sparring" really prepared you for the kind of fighting my family and I went through.

Good for you. You just keep on sparring and trying to be King of the Mat, and keep on telling yourself you're learning something valuable.

After all, what's spending seventy-two hours straight in the dirty, medicinal-smelling "Death" ward of Grand View Hospital, falling asleep on a crappy vinyl chair, watching the damn TV [they charge extra if you want it turned on] day and night, eating nothing but the cafeteria food and what my girlfriend brought me, thinking nothing, feeling nothing, praying, begging, pleading, falling on my knees crying next to my mother and holding her emaciated hand, as it seemed God Himself mocked me...

...next to that hard-core, quality ninja training you received while sightseeing off some cushy beach in SoCal?

That's your "hard training"?

That's not hard training; that's summer camp for Flight Attendants.
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The last of my "hard training" involved walking into the room and seeing her standing before me, completely naked, a child's gleeful smile on her knife-distorted face, and realizing that the tumor had taken her somewhere else. I dressed her in sweat pants, socks, shirt and sweater, and she just limply let me do it, like she was again a little girl. Then, I took off her socks and rubbed lotion into her cracked feet, and knew that the tumor had robbed her of all but her innocence.

I'm afraid I didn't learn to be as "good" a "MA" as you, because my teacher wasn't some overfed Kapo-wannabe beating on me with a stick.

No; my teacher was a frail woman of fifty-seven years whose throat had been cut out, whose jaw had been sliced out, whose body was wracked with such pain and torture and misery as to drive even the strongest insane, who only taught me to fight, with every ounce of strength, with my soul, to keep fighting until I could no longer draw breath, to maintain what it means to be human. And it was the Bujinkan and my training in it that allowed me to see--to SEE--that THIS IS WHAT IT MEANS TO BE HUMAN. That I am in an art that reasonated in my very SOUL, an ART that literally kept me alive, that showed me I had the strength, the willpower, the sheer tenacity and PA Dutch Stubborness to just...

..."KEEP GOING".

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At 10:14 am, Friday, 8 December 2000, my mom, Linda Landis, lost her battle with cancer. Dr. Willenghanz reported she "retained her personhood until the end." She "kept going" until her body forced her spirit to quit the field.
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I can still remember the weight of her casket. I can still feel it pull down my left arm, and how hard my hands had to grip that brass rail.

I can still remember my buyu in the Bujinkan who were her pallbearers, next to me and my brother: a USN Corpsman attached to Force Recon and later ANGLICO, a USAF C-130 Loadmaster, a US Army Specialist who'd just passed the Combat Medic course, and a USMC M1A1 Abrams Platoon Commander.

Did these men of honor, who all grew up knowing her and loving her as their "second mom", who trained with me and taught me to be as relentless in the pursuit of truth as in being human, did they stay all stoic and tough at that funeral, as I imagine your "Rick Tew Ninjitsu Training" would teach them to be?

No. They were unconsolable. They wept because they were my brothers. They wept because they were men.

Maybe if they spent more time sparring on the beach, they'd have learned not to cry like that. I better send some letters off to Iraq to scold them, now that I've come to my senses and realized that everything we went through didn't prepare us half as much as if we'd spent our time sparring.
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Anyway, have fun in your world of "hard training", and I'll keep surviving in mine.

--Snake

You can find the original post here.

http://www.martialartsplanet.com/forums/showthread.php?t=44771&page=3&pp=15

Any more great posts?

llong
26-Feb-2006, 12:42 PM
That's a tough one to match. Personally, I tend to check out old posts by a number of regulars, like Dale, Snake, SilentNightFall, etc. Although he's gone, Shhh! was a great contributor.

CJ
26-Feb-2006, 01:13 PM
thanks for helping the newbie grim

SilentNightfall
26-Feb-2006, 01:27 PM
Great posts? Whatchu' talkin' 'bout, Willis? I mean...llong? I never post anything above average. ;)

KSprenk
26-Feb-2006, 06:27 PM
Well im not sure about posts but that thread about kukan is good.

saru1968
27-Feb-2006, 05:28 PM
An interesting post by Ben Cole...


"In Bujinkan Budo Taijutsu, we teach you how to respond, rather than react. There is a huge difference between the two. The only specifics anyone can give you is to point you to all the practitioners who have used Taijutsu in their actual lives in order to avert or survive potential disasters.

For me, it would be my friend who got hit by a taxi in Tokyo while on a bicycle, was thrown fifteen feet sidewise and rolled right up unscathed. Or my friend who successfully defended a family trapped in their car from a large group of weapon wielding punks. Or a friend who "unbalanced" a crazed druggie in a hotel lobby merely through words and body language. Or perhaps that man from Eastern Europe (Croatia? Serbia?) who had his leg blown off by a landmine and crawled miles, bleeding all the way, to get help. After a several hour trip, on his belly and in later by vehicle, he survives to this day because of his sheer strength of will to live. All of these examples embody the teachings of Bujinkan Budo Taijutsu and NONE of these could be attributed to sparring.

In my opinion, and in the opinions of people with vastly more skill and experience in our art, sparring creates a mentality that there is only one way to resolve an issue. Sparring creates habits and reactions; it gets you to think within a box and within a framework.

Before you got into the toe-to-toe situation, what brought you to this point? Were you situationally aware? Were you an egotistical assh0le or did you simply find yourself in the wrong place by happenstance?

Once you do end up toe-to-toe, when you are focused intentedly upon your sparring partner, have you forgotten that guy behind you who just came back from the bathroom and has found his friend facing off with you? Did you remember him? Did you notice that he had come in with your friend?

Once fists are flying, are you focusing on trying to "get techniques" to "win"? Have you forgotten that you could put an ura gyaku on anyone with greasy pinky fingers, if you would just focus on controlling the kukan? Did you know that at the highest levels of BBT, there truly are no "openings." That's because you are the one molding your fate, in real time.

The world is much more complex than sparring would have you believe. It takes a lot to get into a fight, make it through a fight, and avoid jailtime after a fight. If you want to learn JUST how to fight, there are far faster ways to learn than through Bujinkan Budo Taijutsu. If you want to learn how to live and survive, it will take some time, but we've got some things that we'd like to show you."

-ben

snake_plisskin
01-Mar-2006, 03:57 AM
Grimjack:

Thank you for that.

For my part, although my brain is getting sleepy, I can say, my feelings are often moved reading posts by Dale, Ben, Xen(master), kouryuu, Josh (Silent_Nightfall), Spooky, Mister K(urohana), saru1968, Greg (when he's not cracking skulls! :cool: ), and the aforementioned shhh! as well.

I remember being impressed by the posts from the field (Afghanistan) Althaur gave some time ago.

And, of course, Grim's Fox Mulder-like dedication to revealing the Truth behind ridiculous claims by frauds can be extremely perceptive--and entertaining in a "made me wince" kind of way ;) .

To the newbie reading, you'll notice how each person I've mentioned (with honorable mention going to Kalifallen and KSprenk for asking lots of great questions) has a kind of well-defined "personality" or writing style that reveals much more than just the words, but which reveals something of the essence of what it is to be a community of like-minded individuals on a journey for knowledge.

--Snake

snake_plisskin
02-Mar-2006, 05:15 AM
Oh, and Siphus, too. Whoops. I left him out of my other post.

--Snakey Snake

chow
02-Mar-2006, 06:14 AM
dude that just made me tear up. im not even kidding. wow is all i can say.

Banpen Fugyo
02-Mar-2006, 01:44 PM
Oh, and Siphus, too. Whoops. I left him out of my other post.

--Snakey Snake

haha, perhaps you have me confused with someone else. I feel like im regarded as the village idiot around here.

TrueGamerOmega
02-Mar-2006, 04:34 PM
That post Grimjack...is one of the greatest posts I've ever read. That's one of those "you just got sucker-punched in the throat" posts that you can't have a negative reply about.

Grimjack
04-Mar-2006, 12:53 PM
That post Grimjack...is one of the greatest posts I've ever read. That's one of those "you just got sucker-punched in the throat" posts that you can't have a negative reply about.

And that is the reason why I thought of it when asked for examples of great posts.

Here is one that comes from a thread that Dale Seago linked to. It is not as good, but still worth reading IMO.

Ok,
Since I learn Japanese and teach English I tend to think in terms of language learning/ teaching.

Today I was teaching some fifth graders a lesson revolving around the use of the "to be" verb. Typically when teaching this in middle school the students will start out under the Japanese teacher learning a few "target sentences." These are sentences that contain the grammar point being learned. In terms of martial arts, you may think of them as being the kata and/ or the kihon.

In terms of todays lessons, these key sentences might be "This is a pen," "That is an egg" and/or "These are Shoes." The kids memorize these things before the teacher begins the lesson. This is what I would call "shu" in the Shu- Ha- Ri sequence. They are correct, concrete examples of the principle being taught.

When the teacher starts his lesson, the kids start to take apart the sentences and look at them from different angles. They learn the "why" behind the phrases. Then they start to do exercises that expand beyond the target sentences and push them to use the underlying principle. This is the "ha" section in terms of martial arts.

(And I have seen students that do great at memorizing sentences but never learn to use the underlying principles. These are the equivalent of Bujinkan kata collectors who never move beyond standard kata- usually learned from books, videos and notes with predictable results. In my feces example, Hatsumi talked about people that clung to kata as being constipated. My concern is that many of the kata collectors I have seen have never eaten very well in the first place if you know what I mean.)

The last phase of "ri" is the goal we try to reach in language class. The kids no longer need to refer to grammar points or remember lessons, but can use them freely. In martial arts, instead of "when he throws a punch I do this" we want the students to move freely and create techniques out of thin air based on the principles of the art.

Ok, now the first step in teaching this stuff is the target sentences. These are concrete examples of the principle being taught. We do not start the lesson talking theory. They have no way to relate to things like that outside of their experience. We need to give them concrete examples for them to get that experience. This can be called the kihon happo in the Bujinkan.

But..... Do I have to use, "this is a pen"? Can't I use "this is a cat" instead? Of course I can! I am a native speaker and have enough knowledge to use other examples if I want. And the Japanese shihan like Noguchi have enough knowledge to know what is correct and incorrect Taijutsu, as well as knowing what needs to be part of the lesson for people to learn. Not just a part, but the whole picture. And of course it has to be correct.

The problem is that many visiting students take a look at the different ways the shihan do the kihon and conclude that anything goes. Then they come up with their own versions that contain a little of all they have learned. To use my language example, they say "This are an shoes." Oh yes, it contains parts of all the other sentences they have seen, but the end result is like Frankenstein's monster.

Noguchi knows enough about taijutsu that I trust his target sentences. I do not trust even one in a hundred gaijin who have made their target sentences. They may think they know enough to make their own sentences, but do they? As I said, it is the stuff we are not aware that we are ignorant of that will bite us in the @$$!!!. So instead of coming up with our own examples, why not try to keep to the examples given by those we know have been training under Hatsumi for decades?

Grimjack
13-Jul-2006, 01:26 PM
I was gone when this was originally posted and the thread was locked.

Man this guy reminds me of someone... hummm... myself about 2 years ago. LOL.

So I will tell him what I should have been told to make my transition easier:

Look I realize that you respect the man for having superior skills in your eyes. I also understand that there are many who back his claims and it all seems so confusing. I can see that you have come here to share in some way something that you haven been told just to find others out there who are as excited as you.

Now... Any teacher that claims that he has a stronger lineage than the most well known Ninjutsu Grandmaster should be able to show you in some form of documentation. You should also be able to see pictures of him training when he was young with some sort of identifiable style teacher, patch, school, dojo. etc.

Do some real research on what this man is telling you and ask yourself is it makes sense and if it does, to whom else?

The simple fact that the man has taken pictures with others that do train and teach Ninjutsu doesn't mean anything but that he was into Ninja related arts in the 80's.

It is true that some Bujinkan members are mean and degrading and sometimes just plain rude. Most of the nice ones don't even get on forums cause they are too busy training, and the highest ranking ones on here most of the time just sit back and watch and don't like silly squabbles.

Now regarding "Samurai Jutsu"... hmmm well I guess the first step is for someone to show you exactly the difference between taijutsu and ninjutsu. Anyway that class another day.

I would sit down with your teacher or call him or communicate with him and put him in a spot where he has to answer you. If not bail, or try and different school of Ninjutsu. That way you can see and feel the difference.

Good luck in you quest for the truth.

xen
02-Aug-2006, 09:01 AM
Comments on Ki

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I remember reading in a book that the Ninja practiced something called "mystic hand positions" or something. (SNIP) This leads me to my next question, which is, "do Ninjutsu practitioners cultivate qi as in qigong (ki in Japanese)?"




I am posting a compilation of posts that I made on other boards in reply to questions of meditation and the generation of "ki." I feel these comments are topical and apply equivalently to thinking about the hand positions (both during seated meditation and during moving Taijutsu) as well as the generation/role of "ki" in the Bujinkan.

Cheers!

-ben

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ON MEDITATION

Some teachers teach meditation to their students, but this is usually something they acquired from elsewhere. Soke does not teach meditation nor encourage it. "Just do Budo," he says, "and it will all come together."

Budo is moving meditation. In time, you gain the state of "no-mind," which is what people are sitting on their butts trying to achieve. In time, you also gain "ki" (for those of you who believe in it), which allows you to use "kiai" (true kiai, not the grunting of a base Karateka) and "kihaku." Both kiai and kihaku are part of Soke's teachings, but you still don't see people running around in class kiai-ing all the time. Why? Because that is a crass way to learn this stuff. If you just do Budo, everything else will come....

Kiai or Kihaku can be used to make your opponent confused (or even nauseous), blind your opponent (temporarily or perhaps even permanently as Soke admonished once), immobilize your opponent, create bodily reactions (such as tears, fright), take control of difficult situation (large groups in panic), etc. These manifestations can be used (and have been) without Taijutsu (e.g. physical movement).

A true kiai should feel natural. It just kinda comes out. People may feel uncomfortable when it happens (thinking others might believe they are trying to make Taijutsu into Karate), but a truly skilled teacher will recognize the kiai (if it is natural) for what it is. I personally think it is a step in one's evolution as a martial artist.

Having kiai just naturally come out can be a dangerous thing though. So over time, you need to learn to control them. You don't want to risk having them come out at the wrong time. This is no different than learning to turn your "shinkengata" on and off. One second you are standing there talking with a friend, the next second you are in a fight. And then, as soon as the fight is over, you need to be able to "turn it off."

This type of training is very important. That is why I think it is important to NOT train an entire session "turned on." You cannot live life being "on" the entire time. You will frighten people around you. Instead, you need to be "invisible"--only "turning on" when you need to make a point (frighten away an attacker, reach a large audience during a speech, etc.)

During training, you need to train intensely during the time with your partner, then turn immediately carefree when your teacher is showing a technique or speaking. In fact, I think it is important for a teacher to break the intensity of the paired students by talking, telling stories, explaining things, telling jokes, whatever. People tend to get too "wound up" thinking, "If I don't train intensely, I will never get good." In fact, if you always train intensely, you will NEVER get good in my opinion.

A teacher who interrupts class, just when you are "getting into the technique" is not a bad teacher. In fact, it is a sign of a very good teacher who is trying to teach you a skill set without you knowing it.

If you train properly, these skills of kiai and shinkengata will begin to manifest. No need to do anything more than that.

-ben

from this thread (http://www.martialartsplanet.com/forums/showthread.php?t=34102&page=1&pp=15)