cloudz
03-Feb-2006, 12:06 PM
Hey guys was wondering if anyone around studies or has studied this stuff..as well as interested observers
what are your takes on it ?
I don't mean like in the organised sense a la Madonna or anything, but if that's the case, feel free to share..
I recently found out that there was also a Greek kabala as well as a Hebrew.
Apparantly... the old testament was written using the hebrew kabalah, and the new testament using the Greek.
Some info:
We are familiar with Hebrew kabala to such an extent, that we assume that this is the only kind of kabala there is. Not so.
The basic point about kabala is that in languages that have no symbols for numbers, letters stand for numbers and numbers stand for letters. This was true of both the Greek and Hebrew languages at the time of Christ. The significance of this is that the Old Testament was written in Hebrew and the New Testament was written in Greek. Therefore there was a Hebrew kabala and there was a Greek kabala. Thus a word could be translated into a number and a number could be translated into a word. The classic example of Hebrew kabala is from the Old Testament:
In Genesis we are told of the Serpent who is called in Hebrew, Nachash. The total numerical value of his name is 358.
At the time of Christ, the Jews were expecting the Messiah, whose numerical value is also 358.
Thus the Serpent that brings the Fall is also the Messiah who brings the Redemption.
But there is more. The number 358 consists of the 3rd, 4th and 5th numbers in the Fibonacci series: 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21, 34, 55, 89….. This series of numbers is related to the Greek mystical number j also known as the golden number. It is the way in which to calculate and draw geometrically, the mean and extreme ratios. In turn, this was one way in which the Greeks taught the abstract principle of the Logos. Further, the numbers 3, 4 and 5, describe the Pythagorean Triangle. Its internal angles are 900, 370 and 530. The Hebrew word mem (water) has the value of 90. This is the "living water" or "elixir of life", of the Rosicrucian Philosophers. In the Confessio Fraternitatis, the Rosicrucians give 37 reasons for their existence. The Hebrew word ehben (stone) has a value of 53. This is the "Stone" of the Rosicrucian alchemists. Finally, the Hebrew name Moses has a value of 345. These are random examples to give you an idea of what is going on.
Now for the classic example of Greek kabala in the New Testament, from the Apocalypse of John ch 13 v 18 (King James version): "Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six." In Greek, the key phrase: "…..kai o ariqmoV autou cxV " (and his number is 666).
from
http://www.crcsite.org/GreekKabala1.htm
what are your takes on it ?
I don't mean like in the organised sense a la Madonna or anything, but if that's the case, feel free to share..
I recently found out that there was also a Greek kabala as well as a Hebrew.
Apparantly... the old testament was written using the hebrew kabalah, and the new testament using the Greek.
Some info:
We are familiar with Hebrew kabala to such an extent, that we assume that this is the only kind of kabala there is. Not so.
The basic point about kabala is that in languages that have no symbols for numbers, letters stand for numbers and numbers stand for letters. This was true of both the Greek and Hebrew languages at the time of Christ. The significance of this is that the Old Testament was written in Hebrew and the New Testament was written in Greek. Therefore there was a Hebrew kabala and there was a Greek kabala. Thus a word could be translated into a number and a number could be translated into a word. The classic example of Hebrew kabala is from the Old Testament:
In Genesis we are told of the Serpent who is called in Hebrew, Nachash. The total numerical value of his name is 358.
At the time of Christ, the Jews were expecting the Messiah, whose numerical value is also 358.
Thus the Serpent that brings the Fall is also the Messiah who brings the Redemption.
But there is more. The number 358 consists of the 3rd, 4th and 5th numbers in the Fibonacci series: 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21, 34, 55, 89….. This series of numbers is related to the Greek mystical number j also known as the golden number. It is the way in which to calculate and draw geometrically, the mean and extreme ratios. In turn, this was one way in which the Greeks taught the abstract principle of the Logos. Further, the numbers 3, 4 and 5, describe the Pythagorean Triangle. Its internal angles are 900, 370 and 530. The Hebrew word mem (water) has the value of 90. This is the "living water" or "elixir of life", of the Rosicrucian Philosophers. In the Confessio Fraternitatis, the Rosicrucians give 37 reasons for their existence. The Hebrew word ehben (stone) has a value of 53. This is the "Stone" of the Rosicrucian alchemists. Finally, the Hebrew name Moses has a value of 345. These are random examples to give you an idea of what is going on.
Now for the classic example of Greek kabala in the New Testament, from the Apocalypse of John ch 13 v 18 (King James version): "Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six." In Greek, the key phrase: "…..kai o ariqmoV autou cxV " (and his number is 666).
from
http://www.crcsite.org/GreekKabala1.htm