Vectors

[cal_JJJ]

Has anyone else been taught or herd of the multiple-vector theory for take-downs?

[Sub zero]

Is this as in the 8 lines of attack.
(I saw some painting of miamato musahi in a stance were he could defend all 8)
?

[cal_JJJ]

No, this has to do with how many lines you apply to a technique.

e.g. Standing arm-bar


1) Apply weight to folcrum point & take attacker straight down, vertically. Easiest to counter as attacker only has to resist, or move around, one line of force.

2) Take attacker down & forward. Harder to counter as attacker has to counter on two lines of force.

3) Take attacker down, forward, & around your center. Even harder to counter.....

etc.,etc.

[johnson]

Ive not heard it called that before but its definitely in tai chi. The idea being to have as many directions of force acting on the opponent as possible eg if they resist one they get the other. Ive always liked this kind of fork attack whereby they are damed if they do and damed if they dont. In tai chi im thinking particularly of the move called repulse monkey. This is a move thiat involves back stepping and pulling somebody who has grabbed and is straining against your arm. Now they are focused to opposing your pull - that is there intention. Now rotate your wrist clockwise and odd thing happens. The other person falls but doesnt realise why. He thinks that you were very strong, this reality is that the very soft twist avoided his detection because he was so focused on one direction..This might sound a bit gimmicky nbut it impressed me. The is a move called push which involves a double hand push. I know someone who can light and softly put his hand on you and you just are uprooted. It feels like magic!!I though it was for a while. Now i know how it works. Each hand has enough pressure so that he can feel your centre, like touching the ground with a stiff sponge. Very softely you rotate one palm in one direction and the other palm in the other as you shift the weight. You see grossly the other persons forward push and so have an appropriate reaction but the tiny twist almost unfeelable is enough to alter you structure, fiendishly difficult to resist. Course if you know which hand is twisting then you can do a counter twist.. I never seen it used in combat - i would love to see it done; sort of you are not uprooted by the hard force and develop other softer forces in the opponent.


The tai chi move diagnal flying is abit like outer knee wheel. In so much as both pushes occur at different directions


anyway back to work

[cal_JJJ]

You can do cool stuff w/ wrist locks & I think they are included in almost all basic self-defense systems. But, they are real hard to apply to stand-up combat unless it gets down to a grappling stage.

I like to apply this science to making techniques stronger or developing smooth transitions from one technique to the next.

On the former point, say you have thrown a stronger opponent & are moving into a juji type armbar and you feel that this person is just going to counter w/ the greater strength by curling his arm. You could counter-counter by switching to a goose-neck lock, but you risk being pulled to within reach of his other fist for awhile.
Or you could roll the hand over as you rock back into the armbar creating two lines of stress insted of the single, further weakening the arm.

Well, that was kind of hacked up, but you get the idea?

[johnson]

this is ju principle. There are whole sequences that you can do like this.eg straight arm bar to key lock, another one is attack a joint then as they put resistance into blocking it switch to a lesser joint eg arm bar to thum lock.. i once saw katas and loop drills purely of locxks

[cal_JJJ]

johnson;

Your post reminds me of a seminar that I attended a few years ago where the instructor opened the seminar by having someone attack w/ a backfist & them did 30 some-odd locks and bars from standing block to pin. It look really cool as he put them together so that they just flowed from one to the next.

Not saying this is a good way to fight, but it was well thought out & I have since used it to refresh myself on all the most common locks & bars.

[johnson]

I know what you mean it sort of puts the art back into martial art doesnt it