Combinations for working on transitions

[cal_JJJ]

Do any of you routinely put three or more techniques together to practice transitions and finding out what techniques work well together & which ones don't, or to practice moving to a random technique w/ min. transition when your workout partner gets out of position in the middle of a pre-arranged combination?

If so, what combinations do like most? To start with.....

one of my fav. is *stepping inside a roundhouse punch*to Yoko Wakari*sticking w/ Uke's punching arm to roll up to a top mount position* heel palm to chin or spear hand to throat* seated pivot around Uke's arm to Hayanada Armbar (ude hishigi juji gatame)*hook foot behind Uke's head and roll him over* to modified shoulder lock w/ legs (okuri eri jime).

[doglikesparky]

I like what you're trying to do here. I beleive a fundamental part of ju-jitsu is to practice the 'what if' perspective. No one reacts to strikes/atemi the same.
We purposefully as ukes try to react in the most awkward way possible to allow our training partners to adapt quickly to a constantly changing technique.

[cal_JJJ]

One of the most common problems w/ the above combo is when you have a light Uke, and you are really into the throw, they will land to far away for the *roll to top mount transition* then I have to react & switch to a Kesa Gatame or Shiho var. but I don't like these pins for combat they give your attacker too many options.

Another situation that comes up, is Uke blocks the strike from the top mount position forcing you to control that arm with a Tenada Jime or sim. armbar.

Your thoughts?

[Sub zero]

Thats the way how my JJ club almost always trains.DO u do only one tehc nique and then stop usualy?

[cal_JJJ]

Sub zero;

My classes are generally a progression type training...
Warm-up calisthenics/stretches
Roll & falls
Warm-up throws (one throw & reset)
Advanced Techniques (pairs of techniques & reset)
Open workout (Chaining techniques together or working on problem areas)
Basic escapes ( Yawara - cool down)

Thanks for asking.
How are your classes generally structured?

[Jim]

Class structure for me:

- breathing and light stretching
- break falls
- Tai Sabaki and Kata
- Throw progressions in order (Kawaishi sequence lists)
- Advanced techniques (combo's and counters)
- Randori
- Self defence training
- question time
- rolling to warm down

[cal_JJJ]

Hi Jim;

We have very sim. workout structures. We devide your class structure up between three class levels: beginners, intermediate, & advanced

(That is a little deceiving though as a lot of advanced students workout in the lower level classes to stay sharp on that material)

Beginning classes: Yawara, Self defense, Tai Sabaki
Intermediate classes: As my prior post
Advanced classes: Combinations & Randori (for open workout)

[Sub zero]

Sorry i thought that we were talking about combanations in techniques,not class structures.Our class structure starts with a warm up, breakfall practice, then moving on to the main tehcniques.
I was trying to say that the vast majorty of the techniques that we do involve combinations.Thats how we are usualy taught them.We r taught a sense of overkill when it comes to practiceing tehcniues.

[cal_JJJ]

I apologize for that Sub zero.

Jim & I have been comparing techniques & teaching methods between or two systems for a little while now, and your question about training kind of got us on to it again.

But to answer your question directly, we practice our throws both ways.

What is your standard follow up to Ogoshi (perhaps also called O Ogoshi)? And counter?

[Sub zero]

It is entirely up to the instructor.As long as it is efficent and executable after that throw then it may be applied.

The problem is, i'm sure u are aware, that there is an infanite number of things possible in ju jitsu.

I will attempt to describe a follow up which is used quite often used (My JJ jargin isn't that good btw, and i'll stick to a shorter follow ups to try and limit mistakes)

A)
After the throw the attacker should be directly infront of the defnder.The defender should have kept hold of the attackers right arm (If the attacker was thrown on the defenders right side and assuming the attack was a right handed head punch)

Bending the legs the right arm should now be lifted as to turn the attacker completly on his side.The right foot should now slide up to hit the attackers backs or prefibly kidney.The left foot should now be stamped past the attackers head (In reality stamping on his head)Then pulling the leg back so it is tightly tucked into his throat.
From here the defender should lie back onto the ground with putting the attackers arm in what i can only decribe as (like i said my jargon isn't that good) a variation of a "figure four arm lock".Edging back even sltitly (if the lock is tight and properly applied) should casue great pain to the attacker.Or u could simply brake his rist and do considerable damage to his shoulder.:D

Thats just one sort of beginer level follow up.There are several more that i attempt, but as i am a low grade in JJ do not feel fully confident describing as my instructors teachings could be misunderstood.
Infact i've proabably missed out loads in that description.
Like i said we have alot more elaborate(but not inifective) finishes.

Heres a link to m club.
www.jujitsuscotland.com

I just feel a bit out of my depth here.I am realtivly proficent inLau gar Kung fu, but not in JJ and alot of the people here sem to be instructors.

Thanks
Jamie

[cal_JJJ]

Nice!!!
Thanks for that Sub zero

The combo that you discribed is a tecnique where I train called
Ogoshi Hyanada ( w/ Deashi Hayanada armbar).

From the point that you stomp and bring the heel to the neck, have you ever gone forward drawing your attackers neck into the back of your left knee as you kneel back on that knee choking Uke out w/ left leg & breaking the right arm against your right thigh (oh, step over Uke w/ right foot to draw Uke into hallow of left knee)?

Yes there are an infinate # of combos, that why I like to compare w/ others in case I am not concidering some avenue(s).

[Sub zero]

I can't remeber doing that one exactly but my sensei probably have.
We do something very similar though.We crush the attackers head by putting our caf underneath and then u just sit down.It doesn't sound painful but believe me it is.OOWWWWW.Then the arm bar is applied.
BTW.Have u ever heard of sihan billy doak 7th dan?He'sour cheif instructor.

[cal_JJJ]

That sounds close to the combo that I was discribing (a technique that we call tatsumaki shime).

nice web site. I'm at http://www.fusuikan.com & http://www.pckilohana.com

Know, I do not know of Shihan Billy Doak. I will look forward to the pleasure of meeting you and Mr. Doak if I ever get over your way, though.