Tito Ortiz vs Ken Shamrock 2?

[Korpy]

According to Tito, he and Ken Shamrock will fight again this June.

http://titoortiz.com/

[DL.Demolition]

UFC 59 Does Tito still have what it takes?

I hope so

DL

[Mike Dunnage]

just read a interveiw with Dana White in a U.K. magazine where he says that Tito has gone off and signed with a professional wrestling organization (WWE???).

[scorpiousmac]

Cool,bring it on!

[brainuse]

Cool,bring it on!
There is nothing cool about this.

[DL.Demolition]

I was hoping he would be back to take controll of the octagon.

I thought he was gona be one of the coaches on Ultimate Fighter 3??

And I thought he had sigend up for a nother 3 fights in the UFC starting in april at ufc 59??

[Davey Bones]

He's scheduled for both, but lord only knows.

Well, linkie to the UFC website...

http://www.ufc.tv/index.cfm?fa=news.detail&gid=2144

Tito is scheduled to fight Forrest Griffin in UFC 59 4/15/06. That's as recent as yesterday...

[DL.Demolition]

just read a interveiw with Dana White in a U.K. magazine where he says that Tito has gone off and signed with a professional wrestling organization (WWE???).

So how recent is this article you read??

DL

[Mike Dunnage]

Decembers issue of Combat magazine.
The way Dana was talking he seemed really frustrated with Tito's behaviour.

[freak]

i hope they go at it during the ultimate fighter 3....i hate tito ortiz!

[Ular Sawa]

Decembers issue of Combat magazine.
The way Dana was talking he seemed really frustrated with Tito's behaviour.

I would guess the Combat article was written a month or two before the publishing date. The UFC then probably gave Tito more exposure by putting him on TUF 3 and giving him a high profile fight against Forest.

[Pitfighter]

Ken Shamrock's threw man. I used to like the guy but after seeing him slip and get submitted by Rich Franklin in UFC and then see him throw in the towel against Fajita in PrideFC (WHEN HE WAS WINNING GADDAMIT) I've lost respect for him. I can't respect great fighters who can't give it up when they age. I figure that's why he lost (he might have taken dives seeing how silly those losses were but I'm too idealistic to believe that). Sure Tito got knocked out by a few guys but he was just outclassed (no way Tito could be the top champs but he can beat an old Shamrock). Shamrock's last few losses are just tragic they just show to me he really needs to quit. In both fights he was winning until he made those mistakes and those are things I can only see an aged guy doing.

[Mike Dunnage]

to be honest i think it is tragic that Dana will let him fight. his job should be to protect fighters not keep sticking crowd drawers into the ring to get beat up. I met Shamrock a couple of years ago in San Diego before he got back in the ufc and he was one of the most arrogant and instantly dislikable people i have had the pleasure (?) to meet but i do not think it is right to stick fighters who obviously have been left behind in the evolution back in the cage for the sake of some veiwing figures.

[Apotheosis]

If Shamrock wants it, who is Dana to deny him? Shamrocks safety is at the end up to him, hes a big boy and he can make his own decisions.

[Pitfighter]

Na Beginner I gotta go with Dunnage here. Personally I think any striking competition fighters should be scanned to see how much brain damage they've accumulated. I ain't just saying this cause I'm concerned about old dudes, I am but come on let's make some room for young blood who ain't half-retarded from hematomas and concussions.

[Apotheosis]

I agree they should be examined medically, but if they are found to be capable of making a sound decision, then it should be up to them to fight. As far as giving younger fighters some room, there already is some. Especially with the TUF competition, gives younger fighters a chance to make a name for themselves. When it comes down to it there is plenty of room for anyone who the crowd is interested in watching, young or old.

[Friction]

I'd like to see Shamrock take it out in a great battle, and then he should retire from the fight game.

[Mike Dunnage]

personaly i am concerned about the affect this could have on the mmas. look at all the critics of boxing who constantly point to the damage that fighters sustain in their later years as a reason to ban boxing here in the uk. I do not want to give those people the ammunition to fire at the mmas. their arguments and critisims will only get stronger if we suddenly have a load of old mma fighters turning up with brain damage and other ailments. Show promoters and refs should be there to protect the fighters from themselves and their pride. I do not know about any one else but i have certainly argued that i could continue a fight when i am clearly in no state to coherently defend myself.
I also remember being dragged to my feet in a kick boxing fight in the philippines THREE times when i could bearly stand up and told to keep fighting just so the promoter could get his moneys worth. I do not even remember the fight let alone saying i could go on.

[Cedric777]

Could someone fill me in as to who won Tito Ortiz VS Ken Shamrock 1?

I don't keep up & missed it.

[Korpy]

Could someone fill me in as to who won Tito Ortiz VS Ken Shamrock 1?

I don't keep up & missed it.


Tito Ortiz won, he beat Shamrock.

[Teryan]

personaly i am concerned about the affect this could have on the mmas. look at all the critics of boxing who constantly point to the damage that fighters sustain in their later years as a reason to ban boxing here in the uk. I do not want to give those people the ammunition to fire at the mmas. their arguments and critisims will only get stronger if we suddenly have a load of old mma fighters turning up with brain damage and other ailments. Show promoters and refs should be there to protect the fighters from themselves and their pride. I do not know about any one else but i have certainly argued that i could continue a fight when i am clearly in no state to coherently defend myself.
I also remember being dragged to my feet in a kick boxing fight in the philippines THREE times when i could bearly stand up and told to keep fighting just so the promoter could get his moneys worth. I do not even remember the fight let alone saying i could go on.

That promoter was an A-hole. That should never go down here in the US. Look at the last Fight Night, all the fights were so short, 11 second KO.... Boxing is not MMA. Randy Coutour just retired showing that fighters are capable of making educated decisions them selves.

[Pitfighter]

Yo first of all I didn't mean to start a new debate here, but now that it has I gotta say that while I agree that we MMA already has a precarious public rep. I'm not as worried about the P.R. probs since MMA guys don't get hit in the head as much as boxers and MMA uses TKO a lot more as it should. But I'm really trying to say that a certain level of talent should be a prerequisite and a fighter's mental health (physiologically not necessarily psychologically) should be a determining factor in deciding that. No brain scan could necessarily settle the debate but I think that MMA should only allow fighters who continuosly win to remain in competition. MMA should emulate Sumo, in Sumo competitions the top fighters are expected to retire once they start losing more than winning. I suspect that in the lower ranks fighters who aren't winning often enough are kicked out of sumo stables. You know in other sports athletes who aren't as talented are either benched or don't get there contracts renewed. I just wish combat sports besides Sumo had a way of letting worn out fighters retire.

[Mike Dunnage]

I never knew that was the case in sumo. That makes a lot of sense.

[CCG2]

i don't really see any chance in hell of shamrock beating tito, but it wud be kinda cool if he did.

[freak]

i hope they go at it during the ultimate fighter 3....i hate tito ortiz!
i have been very surprised to say the least on how ortiz has coached his team, he is way better then shamrock and ortiz doesn't seem like a half bad guy since i have been watching the show...i really use to hate him lol

[gracie22555]

shamrock will never beat ortiz.

i love watching the video of royce gracie submitting ken shamrock. shamrock sucks hes a big baby.

[Apotheosis]

shamrock will never beat ortiz.

i love watching the video of royce gracie submitting ken shamrock. shamrock sucks hes a big baby.

Suprise, Suprise

[Sever]

shamrock will never beat ortiz.

i love watching the video of royce gracie submitting ken shamrock. shamrock sucks hes a big baby.Stop with the flamebait. Now

[jfreelancer4706]

shamrock is a slacker, he doesnt even train his group in the ultimate fighter how is going to train himself. hes a good striker but has almost no ground skills. tito has it both. he proved hes a better fighter when he fought shamrock the first time.
although i like shamrock when it comes to attittude, tito will destroy him.
shamrock has to work on his ground game and train right instead of working out with food and beverages.... hes cooler then tito ill give him that..

well see what happens...







-j

[duderanch182]

I reckon Tito will as he is very good at the mind games and is great at annoying Ken and from Watching TUF 3 Ken's training does not seem no where near as good as Tito's. I reckon it will decision to Tito.

[stump]

Shamrock is burned out. He's been doing this stuff for years and he's just going through the motions nowadays. The Lions den is a spent force and so is Ken Shamrock personally.

None of this should take away from the very important place he holds in MMA history but he should retire with a shred of dignity left and never should have agreed to fight Ortiz a second time.....Tito is going to eat him for breakfast