looking for silat training in san dieg, ca area [Archive]

serakmurid

07-Jan-2006, 01:26 AM

The best Pentjak Silat Serak school you can find in California is the VDT Academy headed by Pak Victor de Thouars. His school is in Bellflower. A long drive from San Diego, I know but extremely well worth the trip. Sifu Willem Reeders was one of Bruce Lee's silat teachers, as you know. Sifu Reeders was taught Serak by Maha Guru Ventje de Vries, Pak Victor's Uncle, during their time in Thailand. Bruce Lee's protege, Ustad Guru Dan Inosanto, follows in his teacher's footsteps by training with Pak Victor in Serak.Check out my link to the VDT Academy I have provided in my signature.
Hormat and good hunting!

Jawara

07-Jan-2006, 01:37 AM

I have never met Pak Victor, but you simply can't go wrong with Sifu/Guru Inosanto. Also, consider looking into Willem DeThouars' system. He most likely has the same Chinese/Indonesian flavor that you seek.

Serakmurid, could you please give more info on the Bruce Lee - Reeders connection? I can't remember where I read this, but I know I read it somewhere that Sifu Reeders was a technical consultant for the old Kung-Fu series on TV, and also that the premise of the show, a eurasian who learns martial arts from the old asian masters, was based on Reeders life.

Is that true?

serakmurid

07-Jan-2006, 01:55 AM

Selamat Jawara,
I am glad you asked about the relationship between Bruce Lee and Sifu Willem Reeders. Bruce Lee studied Serak with Sifu Reeders for 3.5 years. Sifu Reeders only taught 4 people in the USA Serak, Bruce Lee being one of those 4, as these were the only people he considered worthy of learning the art. If you go to the VDT Academy in Bellflower you can see copies of Bruce Lee's Serak notes hanging on the walls. These copies were graciously provided by Ustad Guru Inosanto. You can also call Pak Victor de Thouars, he would be willing to tell you about it. I have only written what is posted on Pak Victor's website, found in his books, DVD's or videos. Its all right there in plain view. This of course Bruce Lee kept secret from the general public, because he wanted to have an edge.
As for the "Kung fu" TV series being based on Sifu Reeder's life, I don't know. I could ask Pak Victor the next time I call him (I called him this last Monday) he may know. Or he could ask Ustad Guru Dan Inosanto, Ustad Guru Dan Inosanto has a private class with Maha Guru Victor every Tuesday.
Hormat to you.

Silatyogi

07-Jan-2006, 05:09 AM

in California you should go pay a visit to Pendekar Paul dethouars

or Guru CLiff Stewart they both teach Serak

www.buktinegara.com
www.cliffstewart.com

Monyet Nakal

07-Jan-2006, 10:47 AM

Selamat Checkmate,

Wow, studied under William Reeders. I bet that you have a pretty interesting history there.

Sadly, as I'm sure that you've gathered from the previous responses, you are just a wee bit south from being central to some fine pentjak silat instructors and unfortunately I'm not sure that there are any instructors at all in San Diego County. The nearest school I know of geographically to you would be, as SerakMurid already pointed out, the VDT Academy in Bellflower. But even if you lived all the way up in North County (I'm talking way north, like Carlsbad or Oceanside) that would still be an hour and a half drive for you on a good traffic day (which, I'm sure you know, are pretty rare occurences where the 405 is concerned).

If you don't mind the drive or think the drive is worth it I'd highly recommend Pak Victor's school even if it weren't the closest to you (but I am admitedly biased :) ), but there are some other fine schools in the LA area if you need a selection to choose from. As already mentioned Guru Cliff Strewart has a school which I believe is in the Hollywood/LA City area (I'm sure SilatYogi would be happy to provide you with a more exact location), and the PDT Academy of Bukti Negara (Pendekar Paul De Thouars school) which is in Monrovia (a bit inland from the Metro LA area). There is also Guru Art Rhemrev's school for Pentjak Silat Sikap Baru in the South Bay area and I believe that Guru Hans KnustGraichen of the Pentjak Silat USA organization teaches Pentjak Silat Anak-Serak from a school somewhere in the San Gabriel Valley (pretty far inland, but might work better for you if you live in Poway or Escondido or the like).

I'm sure this is all impractical for you, but I thought I would provide the info on the off-chance it helps somehow. As for local Pentjak Silat schools I'm not sure how to direct you. I had zero luck trying to find any when I lived in San Diego, but that was more than ten years ago so things might have changed. My only suggestion, and I'm sure I might get a little flak for this, is to try asking around at some of the Filipino martial arts schools in your area. While distinctly not pentjak silat, FMA schools tend to have a more visible profile than pentjak silat schools and the two arts get kind of lumped into the same category from the "mainstream" martial arts perspective, so there's a small chance that someone at one of those schools might have some good info for you.

Anyway best of luck to you and if you are in the neighborhood feel free to drop by the VDT Academy. There's usually a class going on Saturday afternoons so even if you are up on a weekend there should be someone there who would be very happy to talk to you.

Silatyogi

08-Jan-2006, 09:20 AM

Guru Cliff is teaching out of his house.

He is in Hollywood near Fairfax & labrea (I am not sure if I spelled that right)

You can contact him through his site www.cliffstewart.com

He is deffinetly worth checking out. Very few have the actual "real world" experience of Silat. Guru Cliff has been an executive Body Guard for over 25 years. And he was with Pendekar Paul DeThouars for 19 years training Bukti negara & Serak. (Aside from that he has 40+ years experience in martial arts training) He knows his stuff with out a doubt. He is by far the best teacher I have ever learned from and truly a nice human being.

peace

Santiago

RAMANA1

12-Feb-2006, 12:15 PM

salaams andrew,havent we all given the vdt academy enough of our money??if you come froma william reeders lineage you want to go to a pukulan cimande pusaka school,you willl find alot of similarities in what you once did...guru dan of course is always great,plenty of choices there..the pdt academy is very private bunch,not willing to share with the rest of us quite yet..if you go to the vdt academy you run the risk of being banned for 7 generations......tell him andrew how many reallly good martial artists have left and not stayed at the academy and why................

Silat4life

07-Jun-2006, 01:16 AM

tellner

07-Jun-2006, 04:24 AM

Oy vey.

Orang Jawa

07-Jun-2006, 11:55 AM

Oy vey.

Oy vey alright :rolleyes:
Seeks the good my brothers...
Tristan

realitychecker

07-Jun-2006, 11:17 PM

Popeye saysk "da woolsk been pulled oversk someonesk eyesk" ak ak ak ak ak!

serakmurid

07-Jun-2006, 11:41 PM

Thank you for your courtesy and Hormat. I hosted Pak Vic in late April and had a great time with him and Ibu Jane. I'll see him again at the Inosanto academy in late June with Ustad Guru Dan.
No need really to go to the Cimande Pusaka folks, I have everything I need with Pak Vic, as far as Serak goes. It keeps me so busy learning I don't have time for them. I wish them the best.

Silat Junkie

03-May-2007, 11:04 AM

Hi All;

Thought I would throw this out there since it's relevant to the topic which is silat in San Diego. I know it's not a full on class, but it's 4 hours of silat right at your feet if you live there.

Pencak Silat Pertempuran Seminar in San Diego

Date: May 19th, 2007
Time: 9 am - 1pm
Cost: $50
Location:=20
La Mesita Park
8855 Dallas Street
La Mesa, CA

Next to Tennis Courts
Topics: Silat Evasions
Silat Entries
Silat Eradication
More if there's time

Contact: info@combat-silat.net
sdsilat@dslextreme.com=20

Thanks.
Hormat saya,
Sean

www.silat.us

doc_jude

03-May-2007, 10:28 PM

Frank DenDaas, 1st Gen student of Rudy Terlinden, is in Fontana (113mls, 1.5 hrs according to Yahoo!Maps). Just jump on the I-15 and book it North. If you like to drive, it can be a pretty quick drive :cool:
Here is a link. If you're looking for weekly training in SD County, I think that you're out of luck...
http://www.ratuadil.net/ (http://)

Frank
http://ratuadil.org/images/Gfrank.jpg

Rudy and Paul deThouars, peers in Silat...
http://ratuadil.org/sitebuilder/images/Scan0001_1_-570x465.png

Silat Junkie

05-May-2007, 11:46 AM

That image in the newspaper shows good silat legs like my teacher in Pamur had - though, being a Maduran stylist, the stance would have been wider.

It's interesting to see how Guru Roedy had changed from that historical photo to when I last saw him on the unique pub videos.

It would have been interesting to talk to him about his personal progression in pencak silat and what most influenced him, etcetera.

Unfortunately, that can never happen now.

doc_jude

05-May-2007, 08:35 PM

Silat Junkie

06-May-2007, 04:07 AM

Certainly I could do that, but it wouldn't even be close to the same as talking to the source. From experience I know that talking to the person first hand is always better.

There is just no way that any other person has the complete story and ultimately it could get to a point where deeper questions couldn't be answered.

Perhaps it would get to that point or perhaps it wouldn't. No way to know for sure but to do it. Just not so sure it's all that important to me at this stage in the road...

doc_jude

06-May-2007, 04:32 AM

Silatyogi

06-May-2007, 05:57 AM

Well according to CHI GUNG masters There is ALWAYS a subtlity that can be learned through touching hands with people who touched hands with a real Master. I am sure Guru Rudy passed on his art and his "silat vibes" to his students that where closest to him. Sometimes if you "tune in" its like downloading.

doc_jude

06-May-2007, 06:31 AM

Yep, that is my experience. They move in VERY MUCH the same manner as Rudy. At least the Rudy that I've seen in our private videos. Not Unique Publications, vids of private training.

Silat Junkie

06-May-2007, 12:02 PM

Well, there's some truth to that but I don't think it's magical by any sense of the word and I don't believe that it is complete. Or, if it is complete, it gets blended with that person and becomes something at least slightly different.

Silat Junkie

06-May-2007, 12:06 PM

OBTW, I wasn't really talking about application or even skill, I was literally talking about listening to Guru Roedy relate his experiences and his wisdom on pencak silat and how he has changed over the years (or even if he has changed and why or why not).

As for me, I'm not searching for anything else in pencak silat. The seminar I will be giving in SD will hopefully show why.

Silatyogi

06-May-2007, 05:22 PM

As for me, I'm not searching for anything else in pencak silat. The seminar I will be giving in SD will hopefully show why.

Sean there is always room to grow....Even my Guru is still learning and researching.

If I where you I would pay a visit to Guru Rudy's students for history sake alone it would be more than an experience. I know I plan to when I can get out west again.

As for me, I'm not searching for anything else in pencak silat. The seminar I will be giving in SD will hopefully show why.

I hope to always search. There are too many stones to still uncover.

Peace

Santiago Dobles

Silat Junkie

06-May-2007, 06:33 PM

Selamat Santiago

Perhaps you've read into what I wrote a bit too far.

I said I wasn't searching anymore - that's not the same as training, learning, and growing AND ultimately I'm not searching outside of the art that I have but I still search within it all the time. Growth is a requirement imo to claim to be a martial artist. I've found my home in MA and specifically within Pencak Silat, please don't try to convince me that I should follow your path.

You can spend your time training what you want and with whom you want. As for me, I am more than satisfied with the path that lay in front of me already. It will be decades before I get through turning over these stones (maybe, if I'm focused and work hard). I don't need another path to look at. To me, looking at other paths and other methods is a sign of insecurity, doubt, or lack of focus. I don't say that to be rude - I'm just speaking from my own personal experience.

The first 10 years I was in the martial arts, I spent my time looking at many different paths. I studied multiple things for years on end only to discover the answers I was looking for in a single thing. It has taken me another couple of years to realize that constantly looking at other things was actually hurting me.

I know, this isn't what we see in the current trend of martial arts, but I have a destination in mind, I am on the path, and deviations will only ultimately distract or slow me down. There is limited time and tomorrow may be my last day - heck - today could be it. I'm not going to do what I did the first decade and as I close this second decade I will be more focused than ever.

Does that mean I couldn't learn from contact from any other guru. No, of course not. I would be a fool to think that. I've learned plenty that I continue to carry now, from people I only spent a short time with. However, and more importantly, one thing I've learned from all of them is the necessity to focus on one thing and study it to it's ends.

If it's Serak for you, then I suggest you do that. If it's RA then do that. For me, it's neither.

Silatyogi

06-May-2007, 08:45 PM

Selamat Santiago

Perhaps you've read into what I wrote a bit too far.

Sorry there Sean it just came off rather pretentious from you as it was written.

Maybe I read it wrong?

please don't try to convince me that I should follow your path.

When did I?

Train what you wish and as you wish no one is stopping you here.

I just felt your comment was pretentious then again who am I?

Peace

Santiago

doc_jude

06-May-2007, 09:15 PM

Selamat Santiago

Perhaps you've read into what I wrote a bit too far.

I said I wasn't searching anymore - that's not the same as training, learning, and growing AND ultimately I'm not searching outside of the art that I have but I still search within it all the time. Growth is a requirement imo to claim to be a martial artist. I've found my home in MA and specifically within Pencak Silat, please don't try to convince me that I should follow your path.
When did we?

You can spend your time training what you want and with whom you want. As for me, I am more than satisfied with the path that lay in front of me already. It will be decades before I get through turning over these stones (maybe, if I'm focused and work hard). I don't need another path to look at. To me, looking at other paths and other methods is a sign of insecurity, doubt, or lack of focus. I don't say that to be rude - I'm just speaking from my own personal experience.
Then, why would you want to talk to Rudy, or any master outside of your choses style? Hmmmm....

The first 10 years I was in the martial arts, I spent my time looking at many different paths. I studied multiple things for years on end only to discover the answers I was looking for in a single thing. It has taken me another couple of years to realize that constantly looking at other things was actually hurting me.

I know, this isn't what we see in the current trend of martial arts, but I have a destination in mind, I am on the path, and deviations will only ultimately distract or slow me down. There is limited time and tomorrow may be my last day - heck - today could be it. I'm not going to do what I did the first decade and as I close this second decade I will be more focused than ever.

Does that mean I couldn't learn from contact from any other guru. No, of course not. I would be a fool to think that. I've learned plenty that I continue to carry now, from people I only spent a short time with. However, and more importantly, one thing I've learned from all of them is the necessity to focus on one thing and study it to it's ends.

If it's Serak for you, then I suggest you do that. If it's RA then do that. For me, it's neither.

I hope that this isn't your plug for that seminar in San Diego. It's not, is it? Because if it is, I think that you should take some marketing classes at your local community college or something. You shouldn't alienate your target audience right off the bat. Most of your attendents would probably have been fellow Silat folks coming to see what you've got going on, & seeking some fellowship. & if we follow your example, then we should just stick with our own styles, since that's our path. See what I'm saying?

You're getting off on the wrong foot, I'd say.
Good Luck, tho.

Silat Junkie

06-May-2007, 09:17 PM

Sean there is always room to grow....Even my Guru is still learning and researching.

If I where you I would pay a visit to Guru Rudy's students for history sake alone it would be more than an experience. I know I plan to when I can get out west again.

Well perhaps we have misunderstood each other, because the sentence above strikes me as an attempt to convince me of the need to visit these folks. Which to me is presumptuous considering we don't really know each other...

You strike me as a nice guy Santiago and one who is trying to be helpful. I didn't take it any other way. My reply was only intended to help us get beyond some things and unfortunately in email/web formats I sometimes sound too direct and even confrontational.

In any case:
I am not looking for new material as it concerns pencak silat. I am however, looking to continue to more deeply understand what I've already been taught, grow as a teacher, grow as a human being, father, husband, etc. (Yes, it's coming slowly.... very slowly...)

I am not looking for new arts. New/different arts rarely hold any special keys in my experience mostly just different ones.

I am not looking for the silat master. I've met a few already and there will always be more. In reality I need more hours working hard at what the people who have gone before have already taught me in order to better honor them. To me at least, it does not bring honor to them if I chase around after others, - as if - they haven't taught me something of value already.

I am not looking to inherit any fabled silat lineage. The lineage I want to inherit I'm already a part of and it is by no means fabled, or important. My only hope is that by the time I die, I am worthy of the material that is in it.

doc_jude

06-May-2007, 09:23 PM

The lineage of Pencak Silat Pertempuran is as follows:

Pamur - Bayu Aji Wicaksono - Tulus - Hassan Habudin - ? Raja Sterlak - Bruno Cruicchi - Abdul Muthalief - ? Raja Monyet - Brandt Smith - Jafa' - ? Jati Wisesa - Roedy Wiranatakasumah, Robby Maulana, Abek - ? Hok Kuntao - Dan Molash - Yao Ka Ho - Vincente Goh - ? Madura Keluarga - Daniel Prasetya - ? Paseban Mutakhir - Saleh - Cacang - ? Serak - Victor deThoaurs - Paul deThouars - Maurice deThouars - Ventje deThoaurs - ? Zulfikari - Mushtaq Ali Shah - ? Batak - Tom Kehoe - Josef Siregar - ? Please note, that I do not claim to have studied all of these to completion. Quite the contrary in fact. I still study a few of these systems - the ones that are primary to PSP. The list above serves only to give respect to those who have taught me something about pencak silat or have influenced my direction.

PSP is a system that combines pieces of wisdom from many silat systems, though only a few in any depth. Primarily Pamur, Raja Sterlak, and Raja Monyet.

In closing, for those systems that have direct input into PSP - I have approached those instructors about using those materials.

So, you're on ONE path?

I don't get it...
How can you not be interested in other style? Is it because the two handfuls of styles is enough?

Silat Junkie

06-May-2007, 09:29 PM

When did we?

I already answered this I think...?

Then, why would you want to talk to Rudy, or any master outside of your choses style? Hmmmm....

For the conversation. Literally, just to talk, I'm not saying - as I have already said - that there is nothing to learn from these folks. There is. I just got the impression that people were talking about physical material since the idea of training seemed to be there... In any case, I already answered this in response to Santiago.

I hope that this isn't your plug for that seminar in San Diego. It's not, is it? Because if it is, I think that you should take some marketing classes at your local community college or something. You shouldn't alienate your target audience right off the bat. Most of your attendents would probably have been fellow Silat folks coming to see what you've got going on, & seeking some fellowship. & if we follow your example, then we should just stick with our own styles, since that's our path. See what I'm saying?

That was precisely my point with wanting to talk with Guru Roedy and, if the opp ever comes, others such as guru Frank D. and anyone else. I am very big on the idea of fellowship. Heck, I was at least a large part of why the Gathering of the Tribes was formed. I've also invited several guru to attend the annual training camp that we hold every year just for that very thing and at my expense. Personally, I would love to roam around the country meeting all silat players but it's just not feasible for me at this stage in life. In any case, that wasn't the point of what I was saying.

Silat Junkie

06-May-2007, 09:41 PM

So, you're on ONE path?

I don't get it...
How can you not be interested in other style? Is it because the two handfuls of styles is enough?

So is there a particular reason that you feel the need to be antagonistic?
We have hardly ever spoken. Is it because I don't feel the need to be involved with RA and because you are?

There is only one path that I teach and many of the arts listed on that page were simply listed out of respect for those guru-guru silat who taught me even one or two things. Adat says to give tribute or respect where it is due. I have done that. Sorry it bothers you.

doc_jude

06-May-2007, 10:00 PM

Well perhaps we have misunderstood each other, because the sentence above strikes me as an attempt to convince me of the need to visit these folks. Which to me is presumptuous considering we don't really know each other...
On that note, did I misunderstand your email anouncing your 4hr, $50 seminar, that is a 2hr drive for me all the way to SD.
I don't know you. I would say that your email is presumptuous. JMO...

You strike me as a nice guy Santiago and one who is trying to be helpful. I didn't take it any other way. Enter the word "presumptuous" :rolleyes:
My reply was only intended to help us get beyond some things and unfortunately in email/web formats I sometimes sound too direct and even confrontational.

In any case:
I am not looking for new material as it concerns pencak silat. I am however, looking to continue to more deeply understand what I've already been taught, grow as a teacher, grow as a human being, father, husband, etc. (Yes, it's coming slowly.... very slowly...)

I am not looking for new arts. New/different arts rarely hold any special keys in my experience mostly just different ones.

I am not looking for the silat master. I've met a few already and there will always be more. In reality I need more hours working hard at what the people who have gone before have already taught me in order to better honor them. To me at least, it does not bring honor to them if I chase around after others, - as if - they haven't taught me something of value already.

I am not looking to inherit any fabled silat lineage. The lineage I want to inherit I'm already a part of and it is by no means fabled, or important. My only hope is that by the time I die, I am worthy of the material that is in it.

Step 1. Open Mouth.

Step 2. Insert Foot (preferably unwashed)

Step 3. Wiggle Toes to dislodge any debris.

Step 4. Savor the flavor.

Repeat as need, or desired.

doc_jude

06-May-2007, 10:05 PM

So is there a particular reason that you feel the need to be antagonistic?
We have hardly ever spoken. Is it because I don't feel the need to be involved with RA and because you are?

No... IT'S BECAUSE I RECEIVED AN UNSOLICITED E-MAIL FROM YOU ADVERTISING YOUR GROSSLY OVERPRICED SEMINAR.

You advertise your seminar, while at the same time proclaiming that you are not in the least interested in other arts. Why don't you find someone you know who is skilled in critical thinking to read this thread and tell you where you're going wrong. Or perhaps, hire a professional to do your advertising, someone who knows how to appeal to potential customers rather than repel them.

Oh, & why would I drive down to SD and pay $50 for 4hrs with you, when I already pay about that PER MONTH to train with someone with HALF A CENTURY of Silat to teach? ;)

Silat Junkie

06-May-2007, 10:06 PM

Does this mean you don't love me anymore?

doc_jude

06-May-2007, 10:09 PM

Does this mean you don't love me anymore?

Love is a precious commodity around these here parts, son. You've got my respect since you've got good taste in MAs, that's about it.

'Asta...

Silat Junkie

06-May-2007, 10:25 PM

No... IT'S BECAUSE I RECEIVED AN UNSOLICITED E-MAIL FROM YOU ADVERTISING YOUR GROSSLY OVERPRICED SEMINAR.

You advertise your seminar, while at the same time proclaiming that you are not in the least interested in other arts. Why don't you find someone you know who is skilled in critical thinking to read this thread and tell you where you're going wrong. Or perhaps, hire a professional to do your advertising, someone who knows how to appeal to potential customers rather than repel them.

Oh, & why would I drive down to SD and pay $50 for 4hrs with you, when I already pay about that PER MONTH to train with someone with HALF A CENTURY of Silat to teach? ;)

The love is overwhelming. Still again, you've twisted what I said. As I said, all teachers and all arts have something to learn from (though I didn't say it exactly like that). That makes me interested in them, however, I think it's at least silly for me to look for yet more, when there is still years of work to do with the arts I've already been involved with. Someday you may understand what I'm saying.

The martial arts are interesting to me, specifically the silat "community." If I suggest to you that I don't want to learn what your teacher has (or system), it is seen as being prideful, stupid, disrespectful, etc. when in reality it doesn't have anything to do with that. I quite simply, don't think it would help and me not because I couldn't learn from it, but because it would be a fork in the road type of deviation.

Take it personally if you want to. It's entirely your perogative.

As for you coming to a seminar that I teach at. It's entirely up to you. I didn't mention it on here for you and those who already have teachers, but for those, like the original poster, who don't have ps that is accessible to them.

As for the email. I have a few thousand of them. None of whom say they are or aren't practitioners of ps already so it's a shotgun blast. You could of course just let me know and I'll gladly take you off the list. God knows I don't need the grief.

As for the seminar, I'm promoting it to help my students in SD whether or not you like it. I get the same amount whether 5 or 200 come (I'm sure there's some sort of wrong in that too...).

doc_jude

06-May-2007, 10:34 PM

The love is overwhelming. Still again, you've twisted what I said. As I said, all teachers and all arts have something to learn from (though I didn't say it exactly like that). That makes me interested in them, however, I think it's at least silly for me to look for yet more, when there is still years of work to do with the arts I've already been involved with. Someday you may understand what I'm saying.
YOU don't even get what you're saying.

The martial arts are interesting to me, specifically the silat "community." If I suggest to you that I don't want to learn what your teacher has (or system), it is seen as being prideful, stupid, disrespectful, etc. when in reality it doesn't have anything to do with that. I quite simply, don't think it would help and me not because I couldn't learn from it, but because it would be a fork in the road type of deviation.

Take it personally if you want to. It's entirely your perogative.
This is the internet. Why would I take it personally?

As for you coming to a seminar that I teach at. It's entirely up to you. I didn't mention it on here for you and those who already have teachers, but for those, like the original poster, who don't have ps that is accessible to them.

As for the email. I have a few thousand of them. None of whom say they are or aren't practitioners of ps already so it's a shotgun blast. You could of course just let me know and I'll gladly take you off the list. God knows I don't need the grief.

As for the seminar, I'm promoting it to help my students in SD whether or not you like it. I get the same amount whether 5 or 200 come (I'm sure there's some sort of wrong in that too...).

Oh, okay. I got it after looking at your website.

Hey Man, good luck with your Silat instuctional video empire. Hope it all works out for you.

PS: I would suggest for anyone that's actually interested in Pentjak Silat to find a teacher to train with. Silat is terribly complex, probably the most complex art I've ever had the pleasure to train in, and ONE CLASS a week with a real person would benefit you more than trying to sit in your living room learning from vids.

Silat Junkie

06-May-2007, 10:40 PM

YOU don't even get what you're saying.
This is the internet. Why would I take it personally?

Oh, okay. I got it after looking at your website.

Hey Man, good luck with your Silat instuctional video empire. Hope it all works out for you.

PS: I would suggest for anyone that's actually interested in Pentjak Silat to find a teacher to train with. Silat is terribly complex, probably the most complex art I've ever had the pleasure to train in, and ONE CLASS a week with a real person would benefit you more than trying to sit in your living room learning from vids.

We do actually agree on this point despite what you might think. And three or four classes a week even more than one. Each for several hours.

Silatyogi

07-May-2007, 03:31 AM

You strike me as a nice guy Santiago and one who is trying to be helpful. I didn't take it any other way. My reply was only intended to help us get beyond some things and unfortunately in email/web formats I sometimes sound too direct and even confrontational.

Cool

In any case:
I am not looking for new material as it concerns pencak silat. I am however, looking to continue to more deeply understand what I've already been taught, grow as a teacher, grow as a human being, father, husband, etc. (Yes, it's coming slowly.... very slowly...)

I am not looking for new arts. New/different arts rarely hold any special keys in my experience mostly just different ones.

I am not looking for the silat master. I've met a few already and there will always be more. In reality I need more hours working hard at what the people who have gone before have already taught me in order to better honor them. To me at least, it does not bring honor to them if I chase around after others, - as if - they haven't taught me something of value already.

I am not looking to inherit any fabled silat lineage. The lineage I want to inherit I'm already a part of and it is by no means fabled, or important. My only hope is that by the time I die, I am worthy of the material that is in it.

You still using sera, Serak at all when you teach or train?

Bruno called me to train him.

You should call Guru Bruno Cruicchi and find out when he is coming to see me next week maybe you could join him when he comes to study Serak.
You are welcome to come hang and train and share.

Peace

Santiago Dobles

Silat Junkie

07-May-2007, 11:22 AM

Cool

You still using sera, Serak at all when you teach or train?

Bruno called me to train him.

You should call Guru Bruno Cruicchi and find out when he is coming to see me next week maybe you could join him when he comes to study Serak.
You are welcome to come hang and train and share.

Selamat Santiago

No, not really. Predominately I use Pamur, Sterlak, SBDSJW and Monyet elements in what I teach. There are little things here and there that I can attribute to other arts, but these ones are the biggest influence. (Of course, a little thing isn't really a little thing, when it comes to matters of self-defense but hopefully the intent of what I meanst hasn't been lost...)

I would love to see Guru Cruicchi again though. I sent him my new phone number but I haven't heard from him (he had tried calling and apparantly had an old pn). Anyway, this time around, it can't happen. We just bought a house and we're in the process of doing repairs and getting it ready to move in. Between that and the other things on my plate it just can't happen.

I would be game for coming down some other time though regardless of Guru Cruicchi being there, if that would be okay?

Silatyogi

08-May-2007, 03:12 AM

Selamat Santiago

No, not really. Predominately I use Pamur, Sterlak, SBDSJW and Monyet elements in what I teach. There are little things here and there that I can attribute to other arts, but these ones are the biggest influence. (Of course, a little thing isn't really a little thing, when it comes to matters of self-defense but hopefully the intent of what I meanst hasn't been lost...)

I would love to see Guru Cruicchi again though. I sent him my new phone number but I haven't heard from him (he had tried calling and apparantly had an old pn). Anyway, this time around, it can't happen. We just bought a house and we're in the process of doing repairs and getting it ready to move in. Between that and the other things on my plate it just can't happen.

I would be game for coming down some other time though regardless of Guru Cruicchi being there, if that would be okay?

any time is fine. You are always welcomed.

Peace

Santiago Dobles

CHECKMATE

11-Nov-2008, 06:11 PM

I have been away from this site. life's little problems. I want to thank you all for your time and information you have provided.
being I am still alive. I would like to further receive information of this type. Perhaps something new has developed . and maybe a new teacher has moved closer to the san diego area. I do have another area which there might be a school or someone who is willing to teach me, that area is in New Mexico. where i will some day be moving to, perhaps in a couple of years.
so any and all info. would be gladly received.
THANK YOU ALL!!!