CMA for Leg Strength Vs Weight Training

[Andy Murray]

To the CMA people;

What do you feel, if anything Deep Stance training provides that you don't get by doing Squats and Leg Press in the Gym?

N.B. Spoilers please sit back and let some of the CMA people answer before jumping in with Steroid fueled zeal. :D

[SoKKlab]

Muscle Endurance surely as opposed to muscle strength/ power?

To stay in a horse stance for X amount of time is an act of continuous muscle endurance, whereas Squats are explosive movements, that can build endurance if you do loads of them, but don't build endurance in a fixed position, like a horse stance does.

The Squat equivalent would be to do a Wall Squat, again for Muscle endurance.

[YODA]

* YODA sits back and lets CMA guys have their say, bottle of Steroid fueled zeal at the ready :D

[Andy Murray]

Originally posted by YODA
* YODA sits back and lets CMA guys have their say, bottle of Steroid fueled zeal at the ready :D

I don't know why, but no one seems to want to have a go at this one, with you looming in the background like a bloated Majorette Yoda. :D

[YODA]

hehe :D

The big difference I see is that stance training develops support structure and isometric stabilisation - in other words it strengthens the muscles in that position - and only that position.

If that's your goal then it's a great training tool.

It also strengthens the mind - but that's a whole diffrent bucket of ferrets :D

[Andy Murray]

OK, let's leave the mind/discipline side of it alone.

What's your idea of Stance training?

Simply standing in one position for extended periods of time?

Stance Training to me is the movement from one posture/stance to another, then another, so it's not static endurance training at all.

You can do it without weights.

You can do it as well as weights.

Good for hip stability?

[SoKKlab]

Stance Training to me is the movement from one posture/stance to another, then another, so it's not static endurance training at all.
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A good 5 Ancestors (Ngo Cho Kun) training drill is they lob weights at each other (Catching and Returning) whilst changing from stance to stance. Therefore achieving the static and the moving all in one, er, lobbing.

Physios are always complaining about Horsestances, they say that they mechanically bad for the body. (They Say).

[YODA]

Stance Training to me is the movement from one posture/stance to another, then another, so it's not static endurance training at all.

Ah - now THAT's worth doing - especially if you plan on using those very stance transitions when you apply your art - so few styles do though.

[Andy Murray]

Originally posted by YODA
Ah - now THAT's worth doing - especially if you plan on using those very stance transitions when you apply your art - so few styles do though.

This is true.

There are good CMA people out there if you are prepared to look.

I'd go as far as to say 98% of instructors are worthless, but the other 2%..........

Every lesson should have a point.

If the point isn't explained, the lesson is a waste of time.

Sometimes the lesson is to make people look for the point themselves.

[David]

We're very proud of our leg training in my school. Rarely is a stance held statically (I can't rememeber the last time I did static); always walking it. We do partner resistance training in many ways.

What's cool about it is that it's all style techniques whereas I've never heard of a Gym style MA.

rgds,
David

[DrFord]

Stance training is a very necessary tool. When you force your body to hold a position like low horse (and by low I mean where you can place a staff across your legs and not have it fall off - so parallel to the ground) you are training 4 major aspects of your muscles.

1. Main muscles groups. Obvious.
2. Locator muscles. The most neglected group. Ligaments and tiny little muscles which need strengthening. You can't train these with machines. Only free weights and stance training.
3. Muscle endurance. This is different from cardio endurance, which you also need.
4. Core muscle training. (From which internal power is derived)

Muscles endurance above all is the name of the game. If you can't lift that leg, no matter how much you can press with it, you are done. If you can't hold your arms up, even though you bench 250, you're done.

On an instructor note, if you don't know how to drop your "Kwa" or "Qua" or however you spell it, then you really can't grapple. And if you don't do stance training, you will never be able to drop kwa into a sturdy frame.

So now... does anybody understand KWA and then to further know how to do lock flows?

-d