Hapkido Trapping

[Korpy]

Well I wondered if any of you learn trapping at your school/dojang? I learned a trap (just starting to learn my green belt stuff) and on my 3rd technique I have to turn and trap the attacker with an arm and it's a little difficult.

[Cosmo Kramer]

not yet, only been doing it a month. still trying to perfect the falls and escapes

[JimH]

In Combat Hapkido we have trapping and the pass trap strikes as from JKD and Paul Vunak,it aids in redirection of the incoming attack(s) that allow us to choose how we want to take the limb.
We also have foot and leg traps.

Hapkido is really mostly trapping anyway isn't it?
We trap the hand that grabs to allow us to place it and the limb into a lock,a break ,a throw,or a pin.

Good Luck in your training

[blessed_samurai]

Hapkido is really mostly trapping anyway isn't it?
We trap the hand that grabs to allow us to place it and the limb into a lock,a break ,a throw,or a pin.


Yup, this is my experience as well. Learning to trap, etc was integrated at my school start really early.

[kwanjang]

Hello,

I was wondering what you were having trouble with?

One of the principles used in trapping is the concept of flow. Whatever situation you are in try to see the possibilities in the technique from start to finish. Instead of working by counts or individual motions, try to move through the technique in one motion. As you move try to identify the area that seems to bind you up. When you identify that motion work on it to fit your body style of motion. Do not copy someone elses motion because we are all different.

[kwanjang]

Does anyone know where the "subscribe" button is to be notified of new posts?

[CosmicFish]

Does anyone know where the "subscribe" button is to be notified of new posts?
Under "Thread tools" just above the first post on each page.

[American HKD]

Well I wondered if any of you learn trapping at your school/dojang? I learned a trap (just starting to learn my green belt stuff) and on my 3rd technique I have to turn and trap the attacker with an arm and it's a little difficult.

Greetings

HKD doesn't have trapping in the classical sense.

Please explain what you're talking about.

[JimH]

Not to speak for Korpy or his original point.

My view of the Trap(grab/pin/immobilization),is what we do to a grabbing or moving hand ,arm ,limb or head in order to execute our technique.

[American HKD]

Not to speak for Korpy or his original point.

My view of the Trap(grab/pin/immobilization),is what we do to a grabbing or moving hand ,arm ,limb or head in order to execute our technique.

Greetings,

I guess we do that too, with different terminology attached to it.

What do you think the Koreans call that, I never heard anything in particular?

When I grab you to do a "throw or lock" I call that an attack or offensive move.

When I pin a limb or a part of your body to stop you from moving I call that a "Pin".

I guess the term "trapping" may work in place of "pin", but I equate it to Wing Chun style trapping skills not found in classical HKD.

I thought Korpy was doing THKD not CH so I wondered what he was refering to in his school.

[Korpy]

I'll tell you the technique it is attached too.

Someone grabs me from behind, I lift my arms a little, spin under my attacker's arm, trap it with my arm, and knife hand my attacker's elbow then a backfist to their face.

[American HKD]

I'll tell you the technique it is attached too.

Someone grabs me from behind, I lift my arms a little, spin under my attacker's arm, trap it with my arm, and knife hand my attacker's elbow then a backfist to their face.

Thanks.

There's termonology differences that could come up in different schools.

You in fact may have "trapped, caught, pinned, hugged, the attackers arm, but that not what commonly refered to as "trapping hands type skills" in HKD as it is in Wing Chun Gung Fu, Jeet Kune Do or Combat HKD.

What most people refer to trapping comes from Wing Chun, do a google search and read about it you'll see what I mean.

Good luck.

[BSR]

I'll tell you the technique it is attached too.

Someone grabs me from behind, I lift my arms a little, spin under my attacker's arm, trap it with my arm, and knife hand my attacker's elbow then a backfist to their face.

While you're technically trapping your opponents arm that's not 'trapping' in the martial arts sense of the word.

[JimH]

quote:
"While you're technically trapping your opponents arm that's not 'trapping' in the martial arts sense of the word."

Please explain what the Martial art sense of the word for "trapping" is?

My martial definition of trapping is to immobilize,pin or grab.

As pointed out this is also what is done in Wing Chun,I agree,but it is also what we do in Hapkido.

One of Webster dictionaries definitions:
" something by which one is caught or stopped unawares; also : a position or situation from which it is difficult or impossible to escape"

Is this not what we do in Hapkido to enable us to manipulate a joint or limb?

If we do not trap it ,immobilize it,hold it firmly as not to escape,then what do we do?

Trapping as used in CH,as from JKD is the pass/parry to a trap,the trap is the grab of the hand or limb to enable us to do Hapkido.

In Wing Chun the trap is done to the hand or limb to pin it to the body,to immobilize it,the hand is not grabbed in that art as that art is not for joint manipulation,it is used for striking.
(Joe Cowles a student of Bruce Lee,does a whole explanation of the various uses of the pass,trap and includes many uses in Aiki Jujitsu)

Two different arts with two different employments but one,similar definition of the trap,to pin ,hold and immobilize.

I am intersted in what the other definitions of trapping are as relates to martial arts.

[BSR]

I can't really give you a definition of martial arts trapping. All I know is I've seen Wing Chun trapping and I've personally done the "trapping" in Hapkido. They're not the same thing. When people speak of trapping in the martial arts, they're almost always referring to the Wing Chun type.

[JimH]

Sorry but trapping is not a term soley associated with wing chun.
(I did wing chun,near on two years)

While people associate the term with wing chun,that does not define the term.

Are hand ,limb and foot traps not part of Escrima /Kali and Arnis?

Joe Lewis states that Traditional Boxing uses Trapping techniques.

When your wrist is grabbed and you cover and pin it to manipulate it,what are you doing?
Trapping the opponents hand,immobilizing it,pinning it to make your technique.

When you are grabbed in a lapel grab,what is your response?
Trap the hand in place (pin and immobilize) to make your technique.

If a looping punches comes in and you wrap the arm,what are you doing?
Trapping it,pinning it immobilizing it.
(wrapping the arm-s is a movement,the end result is the trap)

If one researches the writings of Daito rRyu one will find that trapping is referenced.
(Saigo-Ha Takeda Ryu Aiki Jujutsu (as an example) references this on their site under blocks)

While no one seems to have a definition for what is done in Hapkido, I do not see why Trapping is a misuse.

Since websters dictionary definition fits,to me,it is a usable term and applicable.

[kwanjang]

JimH did a nice job on expounding on the use of traps/locks. There are very few martial arts systems that do not use some type of trap.

There are many traps use in HKD.
When executed properly it is very difficult for the person to escape. It can be with the hand, elbow, arm, leg, knee, ect. Some traps include wrapping up in clothing where the offender is "trapped" by his own grab. The system I train in and teach has over 3,000 techniques and many of them are trapping techniques.

As far as Korpys described technique it does not appear to be a trap but more of a setup to transition the next move. I visualized about 20 different variations from his discription and it seemed as though the attacker could pull out in the process of the technique. If the offender elbow is turned in & bent while the forearm is pressed in the armpit/bicep then it would be more like a trap.