Tyson in a streetfight?

[gutshot]

Ok I was reading the news recently and read tyson got in some street fight. this leads me to this one litte question, who in his right mind would take on mike tyson in a street fight!? i mean going against tyson bareknuckle is insane, but an all out streetfight with the guy? my friend once saw tyson at a shopping mall where he was doing some sorta apearance and he says tysons just this giant black wall, tv makes the guy look smaller according to him... what do you guys think about this?

[johndoch]

Depends on the situation. Would you let the guy walk all over you?

I wouldn't want to fight anybody in a street fight but if you've no choice what do you do?

[SoKKlab]

Tyson's not that scary physically
(Well he's a ugly bugger but he can't help that),

Nor is he that big. He's pretty small for a heavyweight. 5'11 and approx 220-240 pounds (Heavier now that he's fatter and lazier).
when you consider that he's usually smaller in stature than the guys he's fighting.

He's unhinged and that's what most people are the most wary about.

But he has a bad attitude and regardless of his rep, if he pissed off someone who had a touch paper temper, then they'd go at it, regardless.

He's also a very good boxer, but not invincible.

Would I like to fight him-I wouldn't like to fight anybody, that's why I stay out of trouble, regardless of whether it's with Tyson or a Flying Midget.

Now Big Show the wrestler, he's massive.

[KenpoDavid]

Tyson was the smallest modern heavyweight champion - 5'10 at 215. Marciano was smaller at 5'8 and 180 lbs, but that would not qualify him as a heavyweight today.

[gutshot]

hmm i never bothered thinking about how heavy he really is and size i guess... one of my friends stepdad is this huge ass 300 pound dude i think hes in the navy or the marines, not too sure though. i guess he could take him...

still if ever faced with tyson on the streets and if i somehow ended up in a fight with him i'd run as fast as i could.

[jet]

yeah, tyson's not that big. even big show isn't the biggest athlete. andre the giant was 7'5 & 550 lbs. big show'll kill tyson in a streetfight cuz tyson's fists can't reach his face even if he jumps as high as he can. show is unable to feel pain so punches to the body r useless. then the 500 pounder'll hit a chokeslam on a 235 pound mike tyson. a chokeslam on the streets would hurt!!! instead tyson'd betta call a big guy like kane or brock lesnar

[LilBunnyRabbit]

That's only if Tyson sticks to boxing rules, if he used common sense and went for streetfighting rules he'd probably gnaw off the guys groin. Love to see him ignore that pain.

[Combatant]

Depends on the situation. Would you let the guy walk all over you?

Exactly! One thing boxers are not generally used to is low kicks.

..........I would still make a puddle though. :eek:

[Hitman]

I box and kickbox among other things, if you watch some of his warm-ups with his trainer that have been recorded, his hook could probably put down a cow. so no I wouldn't want to fight him (but then I'm medium-lightweight, so he could probably sit on me and win anyway) besides, just look at his face, been hammered on so many times it looks like he met a sledgehammer that was reeeeaaally pissed off

[Nimrook]

I would be more scared of Butterbean in a streetfight then Tyson. Butterbean doesn't know how to box, just punch and take punches. Tyson would be in boxing mode, Butterbean would just pound your skull in. I do realize that Butterbean is a joke, but the guy has a chin like a stone pillar, anything short of a baseball bat wouldn't even faze him.

[zun]

I've heard Tyson has signed a contract with K1 in japan for publicity rights. Next step is to sign a fighting contract. Rules are to be decided - most likely under Queensbury rules or even K1 rules, which would allow low kicks.

Being a convicted rapist, whether Japan would allow Tyson a visa would be another matter altogether.

One to watch.

[Floorismyfriend]

Roy jones jr would eat up tyson in a street fight.
Tyson is just too out of shape.

[Kwajman]

CKD student!! Thats great, another line that made me laugh out loud, 'Gnaw off his groin."!! :D

[booj]

take tyson to the floor and ground and pound him into submission....thats wot i'd do

[YODA]

I'll hold your jacket.

[Adam]

I'll pick up your teeth.

[Pika]

Tyson is physically scary in real life. Forget the fact he is only 5 10 guys, he is 100kg ripped, and its all top weight. Don't be fooled, I have met him, and he is physically scary.

lol at taking Tyson to the ground. You want to be slick to keep him there.

[Vincenzo]

i can't see jones beating tyson on the street. Different mentality on those two.

[YODA]

Originally posted by Pika
Tyson is physically scary in real life. Forget the fact he is only 5 10 guys, he is 100kg ripped, and its all top weight. Don't be fooled, I have met him, and he is physically scary.

lol at taking Tyson to the ground. You want to be slick to keep him there.


I belive there are quite a few who could and would take him there and keep him there - but I doubt they're posting it on internet forums.

[Vincenzo]

i can't see jones beating tyson on the street. Different mentality on those two.

[YODA]

You said that already :p

[Pika]

I was referring to the internet warriors Yodmiester :)

[Kwajman]

The only way I could beat him is by running away. You know as good Martial Artists, we're supposed to avoid conflicts, of course there is always the :woo: method...

[booj]

Tyson is indeed a force to be reckoned with, but against a grappler of a similar size who knew how to 'shoot', you'd hav to fancy the other guy if it went to mat...

[pimphand]

Y'all been sniffin the petrol vapours for too long if you think Tyson wouldn't be a menace in a street situation.

He is well acquanted with brawling - he is from Brownsville baby - top o' the food chain...

The only chance would be as booj says - a quick shoot followed by submission attempt/choke.

If you failed to take Iron Mike to the mat though - prepare to look loke Mitch 'Blood' Green after their street encounter in Harlem. He looked like he had been beaten with an iron bar, not fists.

[cioGium]

Street fight with Tyson?!?!? Well, if he managed to almoust EAT Evanders ear aren't you a little afraid he might just eat your...err...head?!!?!
Maybe his is not phisicaly a big guy....but i didn't hear anyone here mention anything about how FAST that "little" man is!! :Alien:
You'd better be very, and i mean very, good at running before anything else!!

[walmart stocker]

Dan "the beast" would take tyson out in 3 mins...no doubt

[fallout]

hey, apparantly Tyson is supposed to be fighting Bob Sapp this year, is this true?

[tang_sou_dao]

yeah, all thats left is japan to let him into the country to fight him. he has signed the contract to fight him and so has sapp. so its gonna happen, dont know where it will tho. Should be this year.

[Montrose]

Submission fighters are much better than they have been in the past. In the old days there were some bouts made between wrestlers and boxers sometimes the wrestlers won but often the boxers one with first round knockouts (Im talking pre 1950).

Many submission fighters are willing to take one punch to get the guy to the ground but Tyson has one fo the most devastating uppercuts in heavyweight history as well as ko power in his hook or short straight right hand that travels only inches (see Botha fight). One blow from Tyson is goodnight. Someone said Tyson was smallest heavyeight in modern boxing not true. In fact Mike Spinks was smaller weight wise as he was only 200 pounds, so is Roy Jones, and Holyfield was 205 pounds in the first Bowe fight. Tyson never weighed that low. He is one fo the top 3-4 hardest hitting heavyweight boxers ever.

Submission fighters cannot punch nearly as well as a boxer, they grapple. I would think the top submission fighters would win in a fair match with rules but a streetfight one doesnt know where biting, eye-gouging, thumb bending and the like are aything goes.

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[Kwajman]

Shoot, one punch and he'd kill me probably....

[Topher]

Taking Tyson on in boxing, he'd wipe the floor with you. But a MAist taking on tyson, would be diffrent. A MAist kicking range would out do that of tysons punching range. Throw in some other techniques that a boxer might not possess, you'll probably have a v.good chance.

[Adam]

Mike Tyson wouldn't stay at that range for long.

[moondog]

MAist aren't invincible. far from it, most of the time they're more vulnerable on the street than boxers and/or kickboxers. why? because of the mentality. boxers and kickboxers spar every day, 3 minutes per round at least. they're conditioned mentally and physically for the abuse and raw aggression on the street. and they spar full contact, with only gloves.
i'm not putting down MAists, i did TKD for 11 years and taichi for about 3 years now, but i've seen a lot of streetfights. a lot of MAists are mentally conditioned by their training conditions in their dojo, where pure raw aggression is rarely seen. you have to be very mentally strong to fight on the streets. i've seen countless MAists get beaten up by untrained fighters. why? because they freeze when they see all the anger and intent on their opponent's face. you have to cultivate that detachment and calmness of mind, and the only way that happens is if you experience several fights.
boxers/kickboxers face that kind of abuse everyday, mentally and physically. that's why most of the time they are better fighters on the street.
sorry for the rant, just my views based on some personal experience

[Hannibal]

Tyson would eat up kicking range without even trying. You would have to take him down to beat him - he is just too strong stood up.

Streetfighting is not nice at all. Mainly it involves teeth, bottles, cues, dog-poo and about 5 of your opponents mates - often at the same time. It is an unfortunate fact that any style you train in will put limits upon how you respnd (conditioned reflexes kick in). I find it very hard not to headbutt people when I am at work because I am used to it as a self-defence move. I also have to watch biting and gouging. The biggest problem most people face is "brown adrenalin". Fear loses fights when people cannot deal with it rather than techniques. Which brings us back to Tyson - he was such a success because people were so scared of him. When Holyfield stood his ground, Tyson lost his own confidence and has been in a spiral ever since.

I hear Rickson vs Tyson may be in the offing. Should be a good one as long as it lasts....go Rickson!

[chicken]

Tyson may be tough but his eyes are as squidgey as yours or mine.A fast strike would buy enough time to make a run for it.I wouldnt like to miss though.

[Shadow_Lurker]

Originally posted by booj

take tyson to the floor and ground and pound him into submission....thats wot i'd do



Just make sure he doesn't nibble at your ear...

[Cyph]

lol, I think some of you are seriously deluded..

[moondog]

i'm listening...

[totality]

i'd shoot him AND run away. otherwise i would never want to take him on in a street fight, or any fight for that manner. i find it very improbable that any of the people in this thread would stand a chance. theoretically, though, i would try to get to the clinch immediately, take him down, and possibly stand up and stomp on his face. 200 pounds, kids. you don't really want to try anything on the ground with him, do you?

[moondog]

haha i totally agree. although there is a 1% chance that someone in this thread could beat tyson, the odds against you are about 99%. tyson has an inborn killing instinct, that's part of the reason he's very successful. my teacher in taiji is an incredible MAist, and i think he'd have a very hard time trying to take tyson down, if he could do it at all. there is a reason he's feared and respected.

[booj]

Originally posted by Hannibal


I find it very hard not to headbutt people when I am at work because I am used to it as a self-defence move.

I know the feeling mate - doesn't go down very well in the office tho - na' mean?

[Kanester]

What u saying man - the office is where I do most of my drop-downs - you should see dem squirm in those weekly team meetings!

[Freeform]

Tyson would eat ALL of you guys and still have room for ice-cream, ground or not. :p

By the by, you know that K1 are introducing a Vale Tudo section and have signed Tyson? He's seriously working on his grappling game now! :D

Col

[Hannibal]

Originally posted by booj
I know the feeling mate - doesn't go down very well in the office tho - na' mean?

You should see my "office":D

[booj]

PMSL!!!

[Adam]

Mike Tyson is only 200 pounds? Funny, I had the impression he was a lot heavier. And could melt iron by glaring at it :D

[Jordan]

Tyson is a boxer, he is used to rules. I think he would lose against a martial artist who uses no rules and doesn't hold any thing back.

[redbull]

Originally posted by Jordan
Tyson is a boxer, he is used to rules. I think he would lose against a martial artist who uses no rules and doesn't hold any thing back.


your kidding your self. this guy thrives on aggression, hits really hard and knows where to hit. Also, the guy spent how many years in jail, im sure he had plenty of "no rules" fight in there. And lastly, people are under the impresion that because someone is a boxer he would not know what to do in a ground situation, or would not throw any kicks, or that a judoka is oblivious to what a punch is. this is just not so, when the aldrenaline is rushing you just dont know what someone will come up with. Personally, i think tyson is more dangerous without rules that with rules, he bit someones ear off with rules,imagine what he will do in a no rules fight.

[moondog]

you got that right... tyson also grew up in the streets you have to remember... he's more of a streetfighter than a boxer in my opinion... you just don't lose that instinct no matter how long you've spent away from streetfights

[Freeform]

Originally posted by Jordan
Tyson is a boxer, he is used to rules.

Yes, just ask Mr Holyfield about that shall we!

'What was that sonny? Speak up I don't hear so good anymore!'

Col

[moondog]

hehehe :)

[andycartland]

You must be taking the p1ss. Take on Tyson in a street fight?

[spired]

I watched Fight Club in Eurosport- Remy Bonjaski special. He also said there that he would like fight with Tyson. What do you think about that?
For a 100kg his knee strikes are very strong and fast, also his footwork. Every 100kg of him is good.

[b19vny]

This is laughable - it's a wind-up surely.

One punch - bang! - all over. He'd break/dislocate your jaw, tear the muscles in your neck and you'd be "beddie-byes" before you knew what had happenned. If you managed to hit / kick him first you'd better strap yourself in for the ride of your life!

Take him out of the ring and he'd be in his element. He was one tough kid before he put the gloves on.

Now let's be serious for a minute Superman vs Spiderman?

[Knight_Errant]

Basically, unless your name is lennox lewis, don't bother...

[LIghts OUt]

what do you guys think about Tito Ortiz vs Iron Mike ? any match? :confused:

[redbull]

what do you guys think about Tito Ortiz vs Iron Mike ? any match? :confused:


i think tito will have a good chance against mike cause tito is also one badd mother****er. it al depends if tito can take it to the ground or if mikes knocks him out before it gets that far.

[cioGium]

It seems that you all forget the meaning of the expresion "street fight". A street fight might happen everywhere-in a mall, an the cinema, at the dentist or in the street. You are never prepared for a street fight!! This is the aspect that most people that had never been involved in a street fight tend to neglect- no one tels you to begin- it just happens. When you ask someone about a street fight they say: i would do this and that and maybe this again but in a street fight scenario you don't have the time to think, and if you are not train to FIGHT you will lose.

A street fight with Mike Tyson will look like the one in the pic i attached. Just a glimpse of what your oponent would look like. The honly sh*t factor is very BIG in this case! Do you like what you see?!?!? Would you like to be at the end of that right cross? Would you dodge that ? I bet that 80% of us would freeze or at least be knoked out before realize what have just happened. I am the first of that 80%.

[nicolo]

Tyson may not be a BIG BIG guy, but he hits HARD and he has that crazy retard factor going for him. The latinos that goofed on him were expecting a dopey lisping oaf, not an explosive maniac. They were wrong of course. Tyson clocked them HARD and sent them to the hospital.
He's just downright scary in certain ways and any person would now be understandably reluctant to tangle with him.

Tito Ortiz could probably take out Iron Mike in a fight, but with those hammers for hands, who knows?

[BangkokBabay]

Tyson may not be a BIG BIG guy, but he hits HARD and he has that crazy retard factor going for him. The latinos that goofed on him were expecting a dopey lisping oaf, not an explosive maniac. They were wrong of course. Tyson clocked them HARD and sent them to the hospital.
He's just downright scary in certain ways and any person would now be understandably reluctant to tangle with him.

Tito Ortiz could probably take out Iron Mike in a fight, but with those hammers for hands, who knows?

Well said Nicolo!!!!!!!!!! ;)

[Kenpo Kicker]

I would try knee strikes but i'm small and would get my head taken off. I would run. I aint gonna bs, lol. I may have a shot in the dark but thats about it. I don't like to get bitten either... The factor that tyson is nuts makes it worse.

I'm 5'6 140 pounds and have trouble sparring 250 pound giants (they do out rank me though big time but lol I cannot give them damage less I use dirty fighting).

[snailfist]

I think the fight referred to (might be a different one though) was started by two men, one of whom had an iron bar. Mathematically the odds were significantly in their favour.

In case I am talking about a different incident, Tyson was later prosecuted for his actions. He punched the men to the ground- in self defense, which nearly got their case against him dropped- but then got videod taking off his jacket and returning to beat them some more.

[Tireces]

Ted Wong has an analogy I've always liked. A big, strong guy, he's got a lot of money in the bank. A well coordinated, skilled guy, he knows how to make the best use of his money. Mike Tyson, he's got a lot of both, and the two combined make for someone very, very bad to pick a fight with, regardless of what "situations" he's trained for. Are there people out there who could beat him? Undoubtedly. But I think if he breaks into K1, that list is going to get a lot smaller. He certainly seems to be taking this very seriously, and he may just make it big there too. It's funny so many people think they'll just "take him to the ground" and be done with it. One of my sifu's favorite things to talk about is how many grapplers foolishly say they're willing to take a punch to take a guy down. His VERY example is that you certainly wouldn't want to do that against something like a mike tyson uppercut. People seem to think he's just going to stand there and wait for them to close into HIS range, so they can make the first move. Tyson is KNOWN for his aggressiveness, he isn't just going to sit there! Speculate all you'd like, I don't think you'd be able to say what would really happen, and I personally think most of the theories circulating around here would be shattered faster than the jaws of the dreamers who came up with them under one of those punches.

[totality]

why is this thread even still alive? chances are, if you aren't a large, strong, fast, and VERY well-trained martial artist, you won't be able to take mike tyson. that said...
One of my sifu's favorite things to talk about is how many grapplers foolishly say they're willing to take a punch to take a guy down.
sounds to me like your sifu has never fought a strong and determined wrestler. (i.e. Mark Kerr, in his day).

one of my favorite drills is to try to take down someone who is punching me. it hurts (he's a boxer with a little wrestling experience, outweighs me by 40lb.), but he goes down.

[Freeform]

why is this thread even still alive?

Because i find it amusing ;)

Accept it guys, if your not a pro-fighter you stand next to zero chance of lasting more than 1 second with Iron Mike (well maybe if you were a pro-sprinter ;) ).

It doesn't matter if you've practiced complete style X for 20 yrs, you work for a living, Mike fights for one.

CASE CLOSED!

[Jax]

i was watching k1 a while ago was bob sapp against someone(i forgot) but after sapp has finished bad word deleted him tyson, who was spectating tried to get in the ring and fight with him. I dont know if any of you have seen sapp but he is about 280 pounds of solid muscle, now them two would be a good fight.

As for the street fighting, i understand what you mean. if your not used to taking full on punches to the head when you get one all your discipline will most likely go out of the window and you will act like you have no MA training.

When i first started full contact sparring i found it hard to keep my cool, when someone smacks you in the face full on so hard it sends you dizzy you want to dive at them fists flying but after a while you get used to it and you get used to taking it, which i hope if i ever get into a serious street fight will help me to whoop their ass(s).

I think what people need to remeber is in a street fight there is no rules, bad word deleted them up, do whatever it takes to win, even if that means smashing their head against the floor, if you don't they will and then your in a world of crap.

[Tireces]

sounds to me like your sifu has never fought a strong and determined wrestler. (i.e. Mark Kerr, in his day).

one of my favorite drills is to try to take down someone who is punching me. it hurts (he's a boxer with a little wrestling experience, outweighs me by 40lb.), but he goes down.

Sounds to me like you've never fought a strong and determined puncher (i.e. Mike Tyson, in his day). :D

[Freeform]

a strong and determined puncher (i.e. Mike Tyson, in his day). :D

I thought he still was!

[Tireces]

I know, I was just making a joke.

[wcrevdonner]

I don't like to swear but...NOT a then don't swear CHANCE. Anyone ever notice that when he missed with the punches he followed through with the forearm; thats not just good boxing sense but good streetfighting sense full stop. And he was a bad-ass before, as someone has stated. There are certain people you look at and just think, 'not a chance in hell freezing over.' Will be interesting to see what happens in the K1 matches if they ever happen...

Actually, I remember seeing Mark Kerr in a fight, and he seemed like a nutter as well; what what those two would look like in a scrap...

[totality]

while he has no formal training in the art of nutting, he did, at one time, favor the use of using his head as a weapon in the ring.


and it would look terrible now most likely, the man is old, fat, and just got the crap kicked out of him by one of the fighters pride throws in the ring with the intentions of letting them get killed. he knocked himself out when he was taking the guy down...:cry:

[JurassicWarrior]

yeah, tyson's not that big. even big show isn't the biggest athlete. andre the giant was 7'5 & 550 lbs. big show'll kill tyson in a streetfight cuz tyson's fists can't reach his face even if he jumps as high as he can. show is unable to feel pain so punches to the body r useless. then the 500 pounder'll hit a chokeslam on a 235 pound mike tyson. a chokeslam on the streets would hurt!!! instead tyson'd betta call a big guy like kane or brock lesnar
The biggest athete ever(and still is) to my knowledge is a sumo wrestler who is 6.8 and 704 lbs. Correct me if I'm wrong but the guy competed in a UFC.

[Ad McG]

Nobody quote me on this but I think the guy you ^^^ maybe talking about got knocked out.

Tyson is an animal.

Accept it guys, if your not a pro-fighter you stand next to zero chance of lasting more than 1 second with Iron Mike (well maybe if you were a pro-sprinter ).

It doesn't matter if you've practiced complete style X for 20 yrs, you work for a living, Mike fights for one.

CASE CLOSED!

Very well said. I doubt one person on this board would be able to take him.

[JurassicWarrior]

He did get knocked out by a kenpo guy. But nevertheless, he is big.

[englishpremier]

as i understand it, tyson has been in many "street fights" in hotles, roof tops where ever and the other guys hasn't always come off worse.

Heard he broke his hand against a street fighter

[Freeform]

Heard he broke his hand against a street fighter

Yep, its mentioned earlier ;)

[Knight_Errant]

Kgirl: Language!

[Einherjer]

"it's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog."

[Jordan]

Tyson is accostumed to the ring and the rules. I wonder what he'd do agianst a grappler like a Jiu jitsu or Aikido person. Please tell me what you think.

[Freeform]

Tyson is accostumed to the ring and the rules. I wonder what he'd do agianst a grappler like a Jiu jitsu or Aikido person. Please tell me what you think.

Read back, its all there! ;)

[Knight_Errant]

hey, who else feels this thread has ceased to produce meaningful discussion? :)

[JurassicWarrior]

"it's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog."
What if one of the dogs is a chihuahua and his opponent is a n English Mastiff? I'm being sarcastic

[Freeform]

hey, who else feels this thread has ceased to produce meaningful discussion? :)

For once I agree with you KE.