Self Defense against a female assailant

[Serpent]

I'm just curious about what everyone's opinion is about fightning against a female attacker. There are some people who believe when a female steps up like a man she will be beaten down like a man. Others don't believe in hitting a female at all and could possibly run away. Last there are some who would just attempt to give her a stop it clue physically (push, grab, etc.) Please explain your selection.

[Oversoul]

I chose the "stop it move" option. If the situation seems to dangerous, I'd obviously go for something else. But if not, a simple hammerlock will subdue an attacker (male or female) without anyone being seriously hurt.

Of course, this would require someone to attack me in the first place, which never happens. Everyone loves me.

[TwIsT]

If someone has the confidence to take a swing, i shall return said swing, regardless of sex. However, i am more likely to tie someone up with holds rather than Beat them down any way, but Beat down for me.

[Ikken Hisatsu]

id be more likely to try and control a girl if she attacked me than a dude. why? because if i punch a chick at a party, I am 90% guaranteed to get the crap kicked out of me.

[mhyst]

I find the whole 'don't hit women' rule very degrading. Anyway, i say do what you have to. An attacker is an attacker, doesn't matter if your attacker is male or female, they're still attacking you.

[Ikken Hisatsu]

degrading or not, its my face im trying not to get smashed in by bystanders :D

[CosmicFish]

^ Agreed, however a large majority of people witnessing a male and a female in a fight will assume that the woman is the victim, often without bothering to check first.

I've not answered the poll as it's too circumstantial, and having never been seriously attacked by a woman before I can't honestly say I know what I'd do.

(Ikken you slipped in before me :D - was replying to mhyst)

[adouglasmhor]

I worked as a steward for several years and women were treated the same as men. A quick stopper and manhandled/locked to a place of safety or outside. I was attacked a couple of times by a woman, the worst being one ran at me and took a wild haymaker at my head, I sidestepped and she overcommited and landed face first on the pavement, I ended up paying for a taxi to take her home after cleaning some abrasions on her cheek and making an ice pack from a bar towel and ice from the bar. I like to think I would have done the same for anyone.

[Kwajman]

Hmmm, never personally been attacked by a female, stalked but never attacked. I did have to disarm a teenage girl who decided to stab my roommate several years ago. Turned out pretty humerous later on. I'd say do what you have to do depending on the situation.

[Developing]

Kind of hard to give a definite answer on this one. I know a gentleman who does a lot of security work and while on a detail one night at a night club he attempted to throw a man out. The guy's girlfriend was giving him all this attitude but he just blew her off. What happened after that your wondering. She broke his neck. There are some vicious women out there and a man would be wise to take them very seriously.

I've never hit a woman in my life though by the way. But faced with a crazy female like that one I would definetly have to do something physical.

[slipthejab]

I'd have to say:

1) if you wouldn't hit a woman... you haven't dated enough of them

LOL! :D

Seriously - the poll is ultra flawed... it's entirely situational and there is no blanket policy. Ikken did point out a very good example of when not to hit a woman/girl.... when it can result in getting your head kicked in by anyone and everyone. :eek:

[Developing]

LOL, maybe so :D But from what I have seen going out with women who are agressive you can grab them and hold their arms until they calm down. A crazy physcopath with a crazy phsycopath girlfriend who grabs a metal object and breaks your neck while you are throwing her crazy phsycopath boyfriend out of club is a different story. But that proves your point than I guess now doesn't it :o , it is very situational.

[WingChun Lawyer]

id be more likely to try and control a girl if she attacked me than a dude. why? because if i punch a chick at a party, I am 90% guaranteed to get the crap kicked out of me.

Wise man.

Now, if I was attacked with A WEAPON, I´d do whatever I had to to disable her, including making her swallow her teeth. Other than that I would keep violence to a minimum, even if only to avoid being trampled by bystanders.

[Lucan King]

I'm just curious about what everyone's opinion is about fightning against a female attacker. There are some people who believe when a female steps up like a man she will be beaten down like a man. Others don't believe in hitting a female at all and could possibly run away. Last there are some who would just attempt to give her a stop it clue physically (push, grab, etc.) Please explain your selection.

Knock the bitch out. Or try and seduce her if she's good looking ;)

[rocketone5]

I would try to restrain her, or move or block.
Untill I know that my safety is in danger.
Also it's important for potential vitnesses to see that you did everything to prevent harm to her.
Once all else fails, I may inflict minimul damage.
P.S. I don't like the idea that women can hit mean, believing that they will not be hit back.

[Kwajman]

I'd have to say:

1) if you wouldn't hit a woman... you haven't dated enough of them

LOL! :D




WE HAVE A WINNER LADIES AND GENTLEMEN!!!!!

:D :eek:

[DCombatives]

Locking her up or knocking her out or walking away is, as most posts have suggested, entirely situational. Sex, relative size, display of ability, prior knowledge (ie you know the person has been involved with assaults before or trains in MA, etc), mental state, intoxication, and any number of other factors all become a part of any self-defense equation. Based on the objective-reasonableness standard used to judge use of force in the courtroom, they have to. However, it's a mistake to take a female opponent lightly.

I have trained with and taught many females who given half a chance would claw their opponents eyes out. I've seen women take out men twice their size because the guy didn't want to hurt them, etc. I've known female officers who have wadded into fights with bikers and busted the bikers up pretty bad.

Just because you're dealing with a woman is no reason to go easy on her unless you want a trip to the hospital. At the end of the day, a woman gets treated the same as anyone else; if they deserve a beat down, I say give it to her.

[TheCount]

Id aim to restrain and calm them down, got no interest in hurting femmes. If she is really going mental though and was going to try and hurt someone, if not always me, i wouldn't hesistate to take appropriate action

[Leo_E_49]

Same thing as against a male attacker, run. (Unless this option is impossible of course) The primary reason is this: women with concealed weapons can just as dangerous as men with concealed weapons and the nature of concealed weapons are such that you don't know they're there until it's too late. Even if I knew there was no weapon, leaving the scene is the best way, imho, to avoid legal trouble.

[pulp fiction]

Fortunately I am a woman and I can hit other women if they attack me.

[Fighter4Higher]

Guys don't hit women.. what if its someones mommy? :woo:

[Serpent]

Guys don't hit women.. what if its someones mommy? :woo:
let us not hit males either because it could possibly be a kid's daddy -_-

[xen]

tricky one...as said already, its totally situation dependant, but the instinctive 'male' feeling seems to be to avoid hitting women...even if they are taking quite a few hits...

one of those CCTV shows had a scene where a bloke was backed into a corner in a street with a woman giving him some serious beats, he just stood and took until the police arrived...his face was a bit of a mess at the end of it...she wasn't holding back...even going as far as trying to push his head down so she could get her knee into his face.

its stll one of those social stigma things that is so strong it is hard to get over.

you can also see it when a bloke first starts MA's and is reluctant to train 'properly' with women. The 'don't hit women' is instilled in us from a very early age.

in a serious situation, my attitude is that they have left the world of 'social conventions' and you've been forced to defend yourself effectively.

if it is a less serious, more social altercation, restraints and locks become the obvious answer.

[Apotheosis]

Definetely depends on the situation, but if I was being attacked by a woman who seemed to have the intent to seriously harm me I would do whatever it takes.

[slipthejab]

WE HAVE A WINNER LADIES AND GENTLEMEN!!!!!

:D :eek:

*waits on podium for large trophy
:D

[thing_no_thing]

I would have to agree. The situation always dictates (situational awareness). I have experienced as a police officer women who, when faced with fight or flight, can put up as good a fight as any man and in some of these situations it has required two or more officers to place them in custody.

[Davey Bones]

I'm just curious about what everyone's opinion is about fightning against a female attacker. There are some people who believe when a female steps up like a man she will be beaten down like a man. Others don't believe in hitting a female at all and could possibly run away. Last there are some who would just attempt to give her a stop it clue physically (push, grab, etc.) Please explain your selection.

Same as any other attacker. Try to walk away. If that doesn't work, go for a simple stunning move and then leave and call the police ASAP. If that doesn't work, use anything in my arsenal to defend myself (and get the cops involved ASAP).

[kallus]

I agree with what was said before.
when anyone smaller than me attacks I would try to stop their attack, and end the situation as non-violetly as possible, if the assailent scares me all bets are off and I'm going to end the attack the quickest way possible.
Eye pokes and throat gouges are always good :)

[seiki juku kid]

if another girl tried to attack me they'd get no more mercy than a guy would :yeleyes:

[Developing]

Locking her up or knocking her out or walking away is, as most posts have suggested, entirely situational. Sex, relative size, display of ability, prior knowledge (ie you know the person has been involved with assaults before or trains in MA, etc), mental state, intoxication, and any number of other factors all become a part of any self-defense equation. Based on the objective-reasonableness standard used to judge use of force in the courtroom, they have to. However, it's a mistake to take a female opponent lightly.

I have trained with and taught many females who given half a chance would claw their opponents eyes out. I've seen women take out men twice their size because the guy didn't want to hurt them, etc. I've known female officers who have wadded into fights with bikers and busted the bikers up pretty bad.

Just because you're dealing with a woman is no reason to go easy on her unless you want a trip to the hospital. At the end of the day, a woman gets treated the same as anyone else; if they deserve a beat down, I say give it to her.
Sounds like a smart man to me.

[Developing]

Knock the bitch out. Or try and seduce her if she's good looking ;)

LOL, I missed this the first time around also a man whose thinking. :D

[Jesh]

Just because you're dealing with a woman is no reason to go easy on her unless you want a trip to the hospital. At the end of the day, a woman gets treated the same as anyone else; if they deserve a beat down, I say give it to her.

I think this comment is spot on. It hugely depends on the situation of course, but if they're fighting with everything they've got... they can expect to get the favor returned.

[medi]

Fortunately my sexual magnetism precludes any attack on my person by a female, even if they started off with hostile intentions.

All I'd have to do would be to (as several of my friends and colleagues refer to it) "put out the Medi Vibe".




No joke.

[slipthejab]

Fortunately my sexual magnetism precludes any attack on my person by a female, even if they started off with hostile intentions.

All I'd have to do would be to (as several of my friends and colleagues refer to it) "put out the Medi Vibe".




No joke.

ALL HAIL THE LOINS FIRE! :D

[Playful Giant]

Attacked by a female assailant? I would say 'Desperate Housewives is on'. She'd look at her watch and run off.

Or how about 'Your bum looks big in those jeans'. Then she would lock herself in a room and cry


Hehe

[pgm316]

Fortunately my sexual magnetism precludes any attack on my person by a female, even if they started off with hostile intentions.

All I'd have to do would be to (as several of my friends and colleagues refer to it) "put out the Medi Vibe".




No joke.

I'd say that makes you more of a target, if you've ever encountered the "bunny boiler" :eek:

[Johnno]

Fortunately my sexual magnetism precludes any attack on my person by a female, even if they started off with hostile intentions.

All I'd have to do would be to (as several of my friends and colleagues refer to it) "put out the Medi Vibe".




No joke.Does this involve streaking?

[Yohan]

Just like with anyone else, I would run if possible, otherwise try to subdue her causing as little damage as possible. Why?

A. I'm a southern boy, and have been raised think of anything more abhorrent then a guy hurting a gal. I do understand the inherent dangers of women with weapons and that there are some badass women out there.
B. Legal trouble. I'd hate to have to defend myself from an assault charge against a woman in the south.

[TwIsT]

Also, i'm not too sure about the Rest of the World, but women argued for Equal Rights for Years in Australia, so yeah, Equality...

[Shadow_of_Evil]

Women or not...I'll bollock them.
Yeah I'm all for the 'don't hit women' thing, it's fair enough, but the momment a lady hits a man she loses all her rights in this regard.
I'll beat down a women who attacks me just the same as a man who attacks me.
I'm not a violent person against women by any means, but hey, you ask for it...you deserve it.

[Cosmo Kramer]

this is a bad position for a guy to be in cuz if he does hit her and she gets hurt, hes gonna get attacked by one of her brother or bf, or some dude who saw it, and if he doesnt he can get physically hurt and mocked for getting beat up by a female. basically its a no win situation, id prob try to get control of her then tell her to stop, then leave. *shrugs*

[CQC]

Male or female, they're all same to me.If I have to kill her,so be it.

[slipthejab]

Wow. :eek:
You're so rough...
so tough...........
you're...
t3H d34D133!!!!!!!!

We can now do away with the Navy SEAL's, The SAS, The French Foreign Legion and heck... we'll even get rid of giant squids and grizzley bears.

CQC is on the scene.

LOL! :D

[Shadow_of_Evil]

You're so horrible jab. That's why I love you :)

If I have to kill her,so be it.

Yep...sure...ok.

[Johnno]

You're so horrible jab. That's why I love you :)

If I have to kill her,so be it.

Yep...sure...ok.I GOT IT IN MY SIG BEFORE YOU GUYS!!! HA-HA-HE-HA-HA!!! :D

[CQC]

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[bjbrent]

voted restrain her.

In self defense, your not allowed to use more force than is being used against you. Are there some girls who could take a reasonably trained guy?

Sure, one the gracies probably had a daughter. On the other hand, 'big' is important enough that she'd have to be a lot better than a guy to beat him. Why would a gracie girl be picking random fights?

So, yeah, you should be able to restrain pretty much any female attacker, no problem. The only exceptions would be weapon or something.

Besides, how are you gonna convince the cop that she was really a threat to you?

[slowmo]

i would never punch a woman unless she was a serious threat (same for a male) If a woman started hitting at me with strikes that weren't damaging i would just block them (most people give up on trying to hit me because i'm boney and i block fast which hurts them without me having to hit them :P) If that failed i'd subdue with a hold and tell her to chill out!

[shootodog]

i'd watch as my wife puts the major hurt on her...;)

[Mark_Campbell]

Welcome to the land of gender equality! and as i believe in it im not going to be chauvanistic while defending myself.. for any person id use a level of force greater than they are using on me as quickly as possible. If that means i get in trouble for it then i guess i get in trouble for it

[Oversoul]

voted restrain her.

In self defense, your not allowed to use more force than is being used against you. Are there some girls who could take a reasonably trained guy?

Sure, one the gracies probably had a daughter. On the other hand, 'big' is important enough that she'd have to be a lot better than a guy to beat him. Why would a gracie girl be picking random fights?

So, yeah, you should be able to restrain pretty much any female attacker, no problem. The only exceptions would be weapon or something.

Besides, how are you gonna convince the cop that she was really a threat to you?

I think some guys posting here are either assuming that it's the exceptions we're talking about or they don't care and will bust up anyone who tries to attack them (not an attitude I personally have a problem with, but also not one that I adopt).

At about 180 pounds, I would guess that I have more than 40 pounds against most women I see around me and significantly more muscle mass. Restraining holds would usually be a solid option.

I'd say the same against a male assailant, although the percentage of male assailants that I could safely restrain would be significantly lower than the percentage of female assailants.

Still, I'd have to say that I'm not worried about any of this. No one attacks me. :D

[Shadow_of_Evil]

Are there some girls who could take a reasonably trained guy?

I'm sure my girlfriend could kick the crap out of at least a third of the people here. It's becoming more and more common for women to do martial arts these days (its a great thing) so I wont assume anything.

Women hits me and dosn't appear to want to stop? I hit her back twice as hard for as long as I can...make sure I bust her up good enough to not get back up and then I leave. Same goes for males, although I generaly would kick the crap out of them on the ground.

My girlfriend dosn't understand the way my mind works. The way I see it, if someone hits you lightly, you hit them back hard. If they hit you hard, you hit them VERY hard. I'll always double what someone does to me and then do it back. How else can you expect people to learn?







-reading back on this post. Wow, I feel like such a thug. :(

[bjbrent]

I think some guys posting here are either assuming that it's the exceptions we're talking about or they don't care and will bust up anyone who tries to attack them (not an attitude I personally have a problem with, but also not one that I adopt).
...
I'd say the same against a male assailant, although the percentage of male assailants that I could safely restrain would be significantly lower than the percentage of female assailants.

No way is the average girl ANYWHERE near as dangerous as an average guy. Guys are way more likely to get in random fights, and even do contact sports, so on top of our size, we have the fact that we get into fights more.

Yeah, martial arts girls aren't average ones, but how many martial artists go around picking random fights where you are?

The only times I've ever seen a girl go after a guy, she did it badly enough that the guy wasn't in any danger. (ooh! she slapped me!). Or the girl had a weapon.

It's a shame that we can't send some of those "OMG I"D beat anything that threatened me!" to england. If they were anywhere near as brave with tracksuited children as they claim to be with women, I wouldn't see chav threads on all the message boards I read.

If a guy attacks you, chances are he has some fighting experience, and probably thinks he can take you. That stuff happens when guys get rowdy or drunk or whatever. You don't wanna just take the first punch or two that it'd take to restrain them. I just don't see this happen with women.

Every time I've seen a girl go after a guy (without a weapon) she could be safely restrained, making a lot less bad feelings all around.

(Sure, if you get ambushed by 20 ninja women, or whatever, then yeah, go nuts)

edit: oh, and if one of the girls on the board does go around picking random fights, please post and show me that I'm wrong

[Johnno]

It's a shame that we can't send some of those "OMG I"D beat anything that threatened me!" to england. If they were anywhere near as brave with tracksuited children as they claim to be with women, I wouldn't see chav threads on all the message boards I read.

Let's get this straight: you are proposing to send all the keyboard ninjas from the US to England to do battle with our chavs?

I like the way you're thinking! :D

[Anderslam2]

tell her to go get her male friend ill take him

[Davey Bones]

No way is the average girl ANYWHERE near as dangerous as an average guy. Guys are way more likely to get in random fights, and even do contact sports, so on top of our size, we have the fact that we get into fights more.

Actually, this is not 100% accurate.

While guys may be more prone to do the random assault, girls are more likely to resolve issues with their fists than guys. And they have no problems with fighting dirtier than any guy. That's my experience, at least.

[Oversoul]

Let's get this straight: you are proposing to send all the keyboard ninjas from the US to England to do battle with our chavs?

I like the way you're thinking! :D

I'll sign the petition as soon as I see it. :D

[Tenchu28]

I believe that even a woman should be restrained but just like any other person attacking you it depends on the situation and the level of the threat...if she has a gun..take her out if its just her then just stop the attack and controll her untill she has regained her senses..

[reikislapper]

Look being a woman, I try not to get into a situation where I have to fight many blokes unless I have no other choice :rolleyes: ;) ;) .
I have noticed though when I've seen women fight they seem to go in there more than a bloke as we just see red and we don't let up until we've had our pound of flesh ( no offence to any men in here :D ).
No to be honest is there an unwritten rule that men are supposed to be the protector and they don't hit women as they will show that they are weak or something. I'd rather have a bloke who's not afraid to fight back if he's in a Martail Arts class, outside then you can expect a woman to give them hell :woo:. I would lol. I'd be concerned if any bloke had to hit a woman as I'd be wondering what he'd done to get involved in the first place, unless it's domestic violence as it does happen against blokes, (here's another topic to talk about lol)
lisa xx

[Giver]

'Stop it' move.

Even though I'm female myself, I think that males and females are different. I wouldn't beat the crap out of her, but I wouldn't treat her too lightly. I'd be just slightly more gentle than I would with a male.

[Agutrot-]

I'd tell them to back off because I feel threatened, yell for help, say "If you don't stop (threatening, hitting, back off) I'll have to resort to force." If that doesn't work put her in an armbar and break one of her limbs to quickly end the fight.(Same as I'd do to a man)

[Shadow_of_Evil]

If that doesn't work put her in an armbar and break one of her limbs to quickly end the fight

You are the uber hardcore warrior!
You'd break someone's limbs because they wouldn't back off?
Stupid.

[slipthejab]

I GOT IT IN MY SIG BEFORE YOU GUYS!!! HA-HA-HE-HA-HA!!! :D

From uber tough guy post to ridiculing signature. I like it! :D


"Male or female, they're all same to me.If I have to kill her,so be it."


LOL!
Now that's brutal!

[Ikken Hisatsu]

I'd tell them to back off because I feel threatened, yell for help, say "If you don't stop (threatening, hitting, back off) I'll have to resort to force." If that doesn't work put her in an armbar and break one of her limbs to quickly end the fight.(Same as I'd do to a man)

bwahahaha
e-thuggery for life

[slipthejab]

rotflmao!!!!!!!!

[Shadow_of_Evil]

Good call Ikken.

[Lanakin]

Self defense against a female assailant

... WTF Does that mean!? :confused:

:woo:

[Shadow_of_Evil]

What do you mean?
No offence, but what don't you understand about the thread title?

[Lanakin]

I don't know, I've just always thought of that being a non-issue. I mean, if you're cornered by a girl in the supermarket, I think you'd be turned on, instead of running around in circles, yelling "Help! I'm being attacked by a chick!" I don't know, just seems funny to me. :D

:woo:

[CosmicFish]

I don't know, I've just always thought of that being a non-issue. I mean, if you're cornered by a girl in the supermarket, I think you'd be turned on, instead of running around in circles, yelling "Help! I'm being attacked by a chick!" I don't know, just seems funny to me. :D

:woo:
Here's your turn on then:
http://blogs.warwick.ac.uk/images/ccarter/2004/11/11/ugly_girl.jpg

[Playful Giant]

Even worse, what would you do against an elderly lady who was hitting you with her handbag..?

Would you -
a) lay her out
b) talk her down
c) run away

[CosmicFish]

Move so that there was another elderly lady between you and her. Wait for failing eyesight to cause the inevitable, then back off to a safe distance with a camera and some popcorn.

[Johnno]

Even worse, what would you do against an elderly lady who was hitting you with her handbag..?


I'd put her in an armbar and break one of her limbs to quickly end the fight.

Sound familiar? ;)

[Playful Giant]

No it doesn't. Should it be familiar?

[Johnno]

No it doesn't. Should it be familiar?Only if you've been following the thread closely. (See the top of this page for the source of the quote.)

[Matt_Bernius]

Ok guys and gals, lets stay on discussion target otherwise this thread needs to get moved to "jokes."

- Matt

[reikislapper]

Even worse, what would you do against an elderly lady who was hitting you with her handbag..?

Would you -
a) lay her out
b) talk her down
c) run away

Hey this reminds me of my mother lol, A few years ago she used to be a crossing patrol who saw young children across the road. She really got known by a lot of drivers that if they went over a certain line she made she'd threaten them with her lollypop stick lol, you should have seen their faces when she used to turn almost like a demon possessed and have a go if they tried to edge forward in their cars and she saw the kids would get hit even very slightly. If you even tried as a joke she would come up to your car window and tell you to back off or else wear the lstick around your neck. She just didn't care who she was having a go at, even the police had to tow the line a few times lol
lisa xx

[Jang Bong]

She just didn't care who she was having a go at, even the police had to tow the line a few times lol

Like Mother like Daughter eh? ;) :Angel: :D

[traz]

Fetal position...I heard it creates some kind of mother-child rappore with female assailants.

Really, if she's unarmed, I'd be trying to just "stop it". If she has a weapon, then its on :P

[reikislapper]

Like Mother like Daughter eh? ;) :Angel: :D

Jang Bong, it's not like that at all lol, you cheeky mare :D

I'm sweetness and light, prove otherwise anyway I've never been arested for anything yet !!!!.
lisa xx :p

[Slindsay]

To be honest, the real question is:

"If your hitting a women what the hell stopped you from running away from her?"

[Johnno]

Fetal position...I heard it creates some kind of mother-child rappore with females assailants.If it works then great, but if it doesn't then she's going to stomp you while you're curling up in a ball on the ground! :eek:

Really, if she's unarmed, I'd be trying to just "stop it". If she has a weapon, then its on :PLike a rolling-pin? :D

[Lanakin]

Here's your turn on then:
http://blogs.warwick.ac.uk/images/ccarter/2004/11/11/ugly_girl.jpg

Wow, where did you find a picture of Ikken's sister?

JK JK GUY :D

:woo:

[Scarlet Mist]

I'd crack her with baseball bat, after which I'd stand over her saying "what? what? You got something to say now? what?"

[backkickgurl]

thats nasty :p all ya gotta do to stop a gurl attacking you is tell them about the sale on shoes on the high street

[Shadow_of_Evil]

Even worse, what would you do against an elderly lady who was hitting you with her handbag..?

Walk away. Old people are not fast. ;)

[Ikken Hisatsu]

To be honest, the real question is:

"If your hitting a women what the hell stopped you from running away from her?"

i have to say that running away from some drunken girl at a party because she was trying to throw down DOES in fact make you a big girls blouse

[ANCIENTMASTER]

i have to say that running away from some drunken girl at a party because she was trying to throw down DOES in fact make you a big girls blouse

Well Ikken I don't know how things are in New Zealand, but In the states a man was to throw down drunken girl at a party that would make him a lawsuit recipeint. OR a prison inmates playmate...I think I'd rather be a big girls blouse than a prison inmates playmate.

[CosmicFish]

Well Ikken I don't know how things are in New Zealand, but In the states a man was to throw down drunken girl at a party that would make him a lawsuit recipeint. OR a prison inmates playmate...I think I'd rather be a big girls blouse than a prison inmates playmate.
Even if it was self-defence and he used reasonable force?

[ANCIENTMASTER]

Even if it was self-defence and he used reasonable force?

Well Ikkens a striker, if he hits her she'll bruise. If you use any form of striking against a female assailant and she gets bruised, its safe to say that the judge and jury will take her side.

[Shadow_of_Evil]

Well you know the obvious thing to do. You gotta kill her and dump her in the alley way of some ghetto neighbourhood.
Duuuuh!


;)

[CosmicFish]

Well Ikkens a striker, if he hits her she'll bruise. If you use any form of striking against a female assailant and she gets bruised, its safe to say that the judge and jury will take her side.
I'm no lawyer, but it's my understanding that the purpose of a court is to attempt to determine exactly what happened. It would be a pretty poor effort if they just looked at a few bruises and said "Oh yeah, guilty". :rolleyes:

In any case I think the main point many are trying to make here, and which I agree with, is that in today's society it's not a case of "it's wrong to hit a woman", but "it's wrong to hit anyone"*

*Consenting MA's excepted, of course. :)

[ANCIENTMASTER]

I'm no lawyer, but it's my understanding that the purpose of a court is to attempt to determine exactly what happened. It would be a pretty poor effort if they just looked at a few bruises and said "Oh yeah, guilty". :rolleyes:

In any case I think the main point many are trying to make here, and which I agree with, is that in today's society it's not a case of "it's wrong to hit a woman", but "it's wrong to hit anyone"*

*Consenting MA's excepted, of course. :)


Tell that to the Americans who have been sued for defending their homes against robbers. America is a crazy country, you can get sued for almost anything. The drunken woman can lie. If I was approached by a female assailant I would just walk away.

[CosmicFish]

I can see where you're coming from with the sueing culture, but it's not like *every* court case is going to go against the victim. Besides, we're arguing over a hypothetical situation here, it's not like we have any facts to go on. ;)

[Oversoul]

Tell that to the Americans who have been sued for defending their homes against robbers.

I think those suits have largely been dropped with the plaintiffs paying court costs.

America is a crazy country, you can get sued for almost anything. The drunken woman can lie. If I was approached by a female assailant I would just walk away.

If she doesn't remember anything, she can't lie about it... :p

[kumikaze]

roundhouse kick to the head

[chazzy191]

At the end of the day, if a girl attacks you you have to teach her a lesson basically because if you run away it will make her more confident when trying to attack someone else, whereas if you hit her or even a "stop it" move she might think twice about doin it again to someone else.

[slowmo]

the reason people think women aren't nearly as dangerous as male fighters is because they tend to think in terms of 'external' martial arts, especially without rules such as eye gouging, biting, groin kick, etc..

i realllllly wish more women would take tai chi chuan as a martial art, it's perfect for them. unfortunately it's usually only males who take it as a martial art and women just do it for exercise/meditation reason and mean while women are doing kickboxing (and heaven for bid 'tae bo' :P)! wrong art for most women in my opinion, unless you don't mind 'bulking up' just to be able to defend yourself (and most women do mind this)

and even if you dont mind bulking up with muay thai training what's gonna happen when you're in your later years of life when you can't train that hard? you need an art you can do for life, tai chi chuan, bagua, hsing-i, aikido, kali/escrima, something like these :)

hope i don't sound sexist, but women can still be equals without becoming men :D

[reikislapper]

the reason people think women aren't nearly as dangerous as male fighters is because they tend to think in terms of 'external' martial arts, especially without rules such as eye gouging, biting, groin kick, etc..

i realllllly wish more women would take tai chi chuan as a martial art, it's perfect for them. unfortunately it's usually only males who take it as a martial art and women just do it for exercise/meditation reason and mean while women are doing kickboxing (and heaven for bid 'tae bo' :P)! wrong art for most women in my opinion, unless you don't mind 'bulking up' just to be able to defend yourself (and most women do mind this)

and even if you dont mind bulking up with muay thai training what's gonna happen when you're in your later years of life when you can't train that hard? you need an art you can do for life, tai chi chuan, bagua, hsing-i, aikido, kali/escrima, something like these :)

hope i don't sound sexist, but women can still be equals without becoming men :D


You are joking aren't you lol,

Your not just being sexist your being ageist as well :D :woo: .

Who says that women can't train in Mauy thai, it's just men who are afraid of a little competition that 's all lol. We only come out like demons in the ring otherwise we are just as soft as anyone else lol.

With tai chi there are a few who aren't right for the art as it's too soft for them and you also need a good teacher to show a bit of patience, if you haven't got that then it's a waste of time trying isn't it. I wonder how many have given up doing tai chi because the teacher isn't willing to give them a go even when they are trying really hard to learn everything. It's not that anything is wrong with tai chi or certain teachers it's more about how they have learnt how to fight in the first place. There are some women who have a problem with being too aggressive and it comes out in different stages. It takes time to sort out these issues out and get your energy sorted so you can see a difference in how you learn the form. I feel for any woman who tries to learn the form and comes from an external martial art like mauy thai as it's really hard to do. I've failed as I've given up so it's down to many others to give it a go.
lisa xx

[slowmo]

You are joking aren't you lol,

Your not just being sexist your being ageist as well :D :woo: .

Who says that women can't train in Mauy thai, it's just men who are afraid of a little competition that 's all lol. We only come out like demons in the ring otherwise we are just as soft as anyone else lol.

With tai chi there are a few who aren't right for the art as it's too soft for them and you also need a good teacher to show a bit of patience, if you haven't got that then it's a waste of time trying isn't it. I wonder how many have given up doing tai chi because the teacher isn't willing to give them a go even when they are trying really hard to learn everything. It's not that anything is wrong with tai chi or certain teachers it's more about how they have learnt how to fight in the first place. There are some women who have a problem with being too aggressive and it comes out in different stages. It takes time to sort out these issues out and get your energy sorted so you can see a difference in how you learn the form. I feel for any woman who tries to learn the form and comes from an external martial art like mauy thai as it's really hard to do. I've failed as I've given up so it's down to many others to give it a go.
lisa xx

i'm not agist, i just know that from years of hard style ma you only end up crippled from em, unless you're really lucky yo uwont end up with arthritis, etc. and with taichi you can START taking martial arts for the first time in your life even in your 50's and above. Sure, you can technically start taking muay thai in your senior years, but it's not wise at all.

Some people say that ema's are quicker for learning self defense but thats not really true and if quick self defense is all you want you're better off learning defendo or just carrying a weapon, hiring a body gaurd, or something than brutalizing your own body (which is exactly the thign you're training to prevent, ironically! :P)

[reikislapper]

i'm not agist, i just know that from years of hard style ma you only end up crippled from em, unless you're really lucky yo uwont end up with arthritis, etc. and with taichi you can START taking martial arts for the first time in your life even in your 50's and above. Sure, you can technically start taking muay thai in your senior years, but it's not wise at all.

Some people say that ema's are quicker for learning self defense but thats not really true and if quick self defense is all you want you're better off learning defendo or just carrying a weapon, hiring a body gaurd, or something than brutalizing your own body (which is exactly the thign you're training to prevent, ironically! :P)


Look slowmo lol, you might not think your being agist but it sounds like it to me lol. I've done a hard style and yes you can end up with having arthritus but you can have arthritus from birth having it passed down to you in your genes so why worry about it if you've got it in the first place. Just because someone thinks that you have to slow down by the time your in your fifties doesn't mean you have to accept what they say. For starters how would you act your age if you haven't been it before, it's a bit silly putting restrictions on your self just because others do. I'm a bit of a rebel at times and refuse to give in to people being smallminded. It's like saying your life is going to end when you reach a certain age just because others give up, I'm not like that the world is still going to carry on no matter if I train or not, it's not going to stop jusat because I've had a major blow out is it. I don't think so, so you need to stop putting restrictions on folk and let them get on with their training even though it might upset a few. If they feel like they can do mauy thai then let them, it's their life after all.
lisa xx

[slowmo]

Look slowmo lol, you might not think your being agist but it sounds like it to me lol. I've done a hard style and yes you can end up with having arthritus but you can have arthritus from birth having it passed down to you in your genes so why worry about it if you've got it in the first place. Just because someone thinks that you have to slow down by the time your in your fifties doesn't mean you have to accept what they say. For starters how would you act your age if you haven't been it before, it's a bit silly putting restrictions on your self just because others do. I'm a bit of a rebel at times and refuse to give in to people being smallminded. It's like saying your life is going to end when you reach a certain age just because others give up, I'm not like that the world is still going to carry on no matter if I train or not, it's not going to stop jusat because I've had a major blow out is it. I don't think so, so you need to stop putting restrictions on folk and let them get on with their training even though it might upset a few. If they feel like they can do mauy thai then let them, it's their life after all.
lisa xx

i'm not closed minded ive had the same rebellious thinking but simply being rebelious for the sake of bein rebelious leads to a lot of unwise choices. i'd rather be wise than rebellious :D

[reikislapper]

i'm not closed minded ive had the same rebellious thinking but simply being rebelious for the sake of bein rebelious leads to a lot of unwise choices. i'd rather be wise than rebellious :D

We all have a choice at the end of the day don't we, I'd rather be honest with myself and know that it was down to me and not others. If they can't accept you for you then it just proves where they are and it's their karma not yours which needs sorting. What is wisdom at the end of the day, it's not going to sort out the practical stuff out is it. When your training it's down to how you feel and not the other person, if you can cope with the training then it's down to you and not others to interfere even though they might have your interests at heart. They can't feel anything for you and it's your body not theirs so we feel things in a different way, what might work for you might not work for others so how can people say it's wrong when it might be the best thing for them at the time. This is why I feel strongly about people saying that you shouldn't do a certain ma when you might be at a certain age, or even a woman who does mauy thai, who really cares about what a woman can do or not do, as long as she's getting the proper training then it's her choice not anyone elses to make.
lisa xx

[slowmo]

We all have a choice at the end of the day don't we, I'd rather be honest with myself and know that it was down to me and not others. If they can't accept you for you then it just proves where they are and it's their karma not yours which needs sorting. What is wisdom at the end of the day, it's not going to sort out the practical stuff out is it. When your training it's down to how you feel and not the other person, if you can cope with the training then it's down to you and not others to interfere even though they might have your interests at heart. They can't feel anything for you and it's your body not theirs so we feel things in a different way, what might work for you might not work for others so how can people say it's wrong when it might be the best thing for them at the time. This is why I feel strongly about people saying that you shouldn't do a certain ma when you might be at a certain age, or even a woman who does mauy thai, who really cares about what a woman can do or not do, as long as she's getting the proper training then it's her choice not anyone elses to make.
lisa xx

i'm not being as extreme as you think though, i'm not saying people shouldnt choose for themselves or that no one should do these things when they're older. i'm saying it's a shame that people make bad choices (ie a 50 year old woman (or man), who wants to learn to defend herself taking up muay thai training because she heard its effective and ending up damagin her body in the process when she coulda took taichi chuan and got self defense training without the caveats, but she wont because she heard taichi isnt for self defense) that's ALL im trying to say

as for 'coping with traininng' i also said if you don't mind bulking up and brutal training then go for it, but a lot of people do mind and still put themselves through that painful process because they think it's the only way. This is mainly true in the west, we think 'no pain no gain', the chinese masses are way ahead of us when it comes to health and fitness

[Lanakin]

At the end of the day, if a girl attacks you you have to teach her a lesson basically because if you run away it will make her more confident when trying to attack someone else, whereas if you hit her or even a "stop it" move she might think twice about doin it again to someone else.

If she wants to fight like a man, she's going to take a hit like one. I don't care about all those fancy legal things, if a woman wants to seriously fight (Which, most don't) then she should be put down like everyone else.

Though, I guess it's human nature to go easy on them, so they won't get it nearly as bad as many males in the same position.

:woo:

[Lanakin]

Tell that to the Americans who have been sued for defending their homes against robbers. America is a crazy country, you can get sued for almost anything. The drunken woman can lie. If I was approached by a female assailant I would just walk away.

If a robber falls and breaks his leg on your property (at any time of night or day) then you can get sued.. Which is just rediculous.

The only basic alternative to what I posted above, would be to try to put her on the ground using a grab.. But, then, you might be sued for rape. America sucks.

:woo:

[ANCIENTMASTER]

You are joking aren't you lol,

Your not just being sexist your being ageist as well :D :woo: .

Who says that women can't train in Mauy thai, it's just men who are afraid of a little competition that 's all lol. We only come out like demons in the ring otherwise we are just as soft as anyone else lol.

With tai chi there are a few who aren't right for the art as it's too soft for them and you also need a good teacher to show a bit of patience, if you haven't got that then it's a waste of time trying isn't it. I wonder how many have given up doing tai chi because the teacher isn't willing to give them a go even when they are trying really hard to learn everything. It's not that anything is wrong with tai chi or certain teachers it's more about how they have learnt how to fight in the first place. There are some women who have a problem with being too aggressive and it comes out in different stages. It takes time to sort out these issues out and get your energy sorted so you can see a difference in how you learn the form. I feel for any woman who tries to learn the form and comes from an external martial art like mauy thai as it's really hard to do. I've failed as I've given up so it's down to many others to give it a go.
lisa xx

2/3 women I train with have been some of the most pathetic MAists I've ever encountered. One was good. I think that its got more to do with sociological grooming than genetics and ability. Saying Tai Chi is better for women is simply not true. People should practice the MA that they enjoy the most.

[Noontidal]

I'm modifying my answer. I'll just kick her in the groin. Don't know if that'll drop her or anythingthing, but the least I'd hope for is to shock her and flee whilst she is confused. If somehow it works, I'll still be able to get away doing only minimal harm, and people'd be too caught up in the oddity of my method to give me a real hard time about it.

Nope, not saying it's a magical cure-all technique, just saying it sounds reasonable. Until of course, I do it and 5 seconds later I'm in a fetal position with my sides being kicked in, then naturally I'll rethink my strategy.

[reikislapper]

If she wants to fight like a man, she's going to take a hit like one. I don't care about all those fancy legal things, if a woman wants to seriously fight (Which, most don't) then she should be put down like everyone else.

Though, I guess it's human nature to go easy on them, so they won't get it nearly as bad as many males in the same position.

:woo:

At last some sense in here, lol.

There are a few women who have been brought up to train like men as they had a good time training with being the only female in the class. I was one of them lol, thing is I had the conditioning all ready to take punches from guys so it didn't relly bother me at all, I just got fed up with the guys treating me a lot different in the class. I'm all for equallity but it was the guys who put pressure on me to be a lot different lol. I used to get in there and fight like a bloke as I had a major problem with aggression and didn't know how to deal with it apart from let it out lol. I do still have that problem as I've never had anyone come to me and tell me how bad it was for the others but it was down to them to tell me wasn't it. I wonder if someone can actually deal with agression in martail arts or do they just tey and get it out of thier system, I don't know, if anyone has any ideas then tell me please lol. I'm all ears .

I do have a question for the guys though and please say, do you guys find it hard when you come up against a woman who's not afraid to fight and will carry on until one of you ends up on the floor. What would you do, would you take her to one side and say calm down and let things settle down and not train with her until she's learned how to relax. I'd like to know.
lisa xx

[rizal]

The title immediately make me recall that scene in Blade I
You know, when Blade fight a little girl inside the Vampire Bible Repository?

For me, you must see it in context. If a woman got mad and beat you with an umbrella and the woman looked like that woman Martin Lawrence played in Big Momma House then I think is easier to just remove her weapon and stayed out of her reach.
If it is in a sparring match, I treat all the same like I treat guys....well maybe not, I won't try to do a groin attack (BTW is it still effective??)

Here's a story: a woman came to the police station, with some bruises, reporting that her husband beat her. the police immediately think, "domestic violence' so they send a patrol car to the house to pick up her husband.
They found the husband, bleeding on the head and with some bruises too. Also they found the house was a mess. The police asked what happen. The guy said that they have a big fight and her wife beat him with a cane and throwing things at him, one bleed him. After a while, he lost his temper and fight back.
Back at the station, the police asked the wife whether what her husband said was true. She said that everything she done was in self-defense.

It is a dilemma for us guys. In one side, an attack is an attack. On the other side, whether the girl is stronger or not, she is a girl.

[Oversoul]

If a robber falls and breaks his leg on your property (at any time of night or day) then you can get sued.. Which is just rediculous.

Has there actually been a case where this happened and the plaintiff won?

[slowmo]

it's a shame that people have to be so superficial that we generalize between gender instead of going by an individual to individual basis. but humans tend to do this with everything :bang:

[Bitsy]

it's a shame that people have to be so superficial that we generalize between gender instead of going by an individual to individual basis. but humans tend to do this with everything :bang:


I agree! I'm a female and have always fought(sparred, grappled) with guys since i was little so maybe thats why i never really thought about gender during fights. But was recently asked by someone if it bothered me when a guy hit me like gave me a black eye or bruised my jaw or something and i found it kind of strange cause like i siad have never really looked at it as a guy hitting/ beating up a girl! But anyways if a female attacks a guy first i think he might wanna try and just control or stop her but if u have to i say fight her!

[reikislapper]

it's a shame that people have to be so superficial that we generalize between gender instead of going by an individual to individual basis. but humans tend to do this with everything :bang:

at least I can agree with you on this one lol.

I used to get really fed up with so called partners seeing the female side to me first before the martial artist side. I used to get really angry and I'd make them pay for the comment while I was sparring with them, so I got the best of both worlds lol.
lisa xx

[Sparkle]

It depends, if it was a black or hispanic woman ( I've had experience in this ) I think I would run like hell. White girls . . . . ah, just let them get all pissy and leave them be : D, just watch the groin shot, lol. I would have to go with the run technique and a little giggle behind it : D.

[Shadow_of_Evil]

White girls . . . . ah, just let them get all pissy and leave them be

My girlfriend is white and I bet she'd kick your arse. ;)
Many years Muay Thai experience. :)

[Matt_Bernius]

If a robber falls and breaks his leg on your property (at any time of night or day) then you can get sued.. Which is just rediculous.
Actually, this is flat out wrong. Its one of the many stories that get spread without backing:

http://www.snopes.com/legal/lawsuits.asp

And from all looks this thread has run its course.

- Matt