multiple attackers

[cbraves85]

How effective is jujitsu in street fighting and is effective against multiple attackers?

[YODA]

It's as effective as the person using it.

No martial arts is very effective against multiple attackers - exept run-fu

[Tosh]

Originally posted by YODA
It's as effective as the person using it.
No martial arts is very effective against multiple attackers - exept run-fu


I always fill my guts with beans before I go out so I can fend off multiple attacks in times of stress

:D :D :D :D :D

[Ayanir]

I think freestyle concepts like Jeet kune do (granted it does have its own teachings), and the general mma scene is wherehuman intuition and instinct is MOST LIKELY developed in a MORE likely method of effectiveness (their are always exceptions the teacher itself being a variable).

I think essentially in a real life situation one shouldn't be relying on the "art" of what you've been taught but be able to combine the skills you've learned with common sense, instinct, intuition, and quick thinking. After all we are all essentially animals, no matter how highly we systemize effective form of defence or attack against or with violence, violence is violence.

[TheMachine]

yup its how you use it, not the art

[Scott194]

Originally posted by cbraves85
How effective is jujitsu in street fighting and is effective against multiple attackers?

Krav Maga teaches giving multiple attackers a beating so you can run off with them being shaken up so they can't pull a gun or knife on you right away.

[Hitman]

It all depends how you apply it... common guys, think with an open mind. Generally ANY MA can be used to fight multiple attackers(any "good" one, i.e. not centered on duelling) as long as you apply it correctly, for instance with jiu jitsu, I would suggest keeping contact with each individual for the least amount of time as possible (in other words, don't get bogged down by one attacker when there are 2 more waiting for you to get pinned down) when being attacked by more than one person, redirecting your opponent is king (bringing them off balance and pushing them, twisting their heads,elbows, or wrists until they are forced to the ground from fear of breaking, as no doubt most people underestimate wrist locks, if you've ever had one put on you it becomes quite clear quite fast what will happen if you don't go with the flow, and if you've ever put a wrist lock on someone you should know that it requires next to no effort) Oh by the way, use your head. literally... :)

[Combatant]

As mentioned before, dont get tied down to one attacker. Hit and move.

Ju jitsu is a good one if you apply what everone else has said.

Hit to the throat, groin, nose and eyes in a life threatening situation such as this.

[Visage]

For a situation like this, i would say try not to let opponents get behind you. Use punches and kicks to drive them back until you can make your get-away. Only fully engage if you need to.

[pocketwarrior]

There is a MA club near me where the instructor teaches self defense for up to 6 attackers at the same time and he claims that he and his blackbelts can do this.

Mmmm............

[Freeform]

Well yeah, one BB against 6 10 yr olds! ;)

[mild7]

wow,

multiple attackers is plain out a nightmare. I guess I would use whatever MA I knew to disengage from the situation as soon as I could. If I had someone else with me(wifey etc) I'd yell for her to run and call the cops, while I distract the attackers by engaging with them temporarily.

The 'shield' principle, as illustrated by John Will(machado bjj) would come in handy here, moving around making sure at least one attacker is in the path of others. Getting off the ground as quick as I can when I'm there. etc.

www.defendu.com has an interesting article on multi-attackers, with a more 'BJJ' perspective.

[Trent Tiemeyer]

I would take out the leader in such a vicious manner that his buddies would barf, weep, then barf again.

[Sonshu]

Thats a tough call as there comes a point where you no matter how good you are will be over run by weight of numbers.

Its a tough one but you can only do so much - the best method it get padded up and let people go for you, I find with people who do a good striking art they will eventually grap a person for cover and to protect themselves getting hit.

This is a panic reaction and an odd one as they don't know how to grapple but there body takes them to this range as a defence!

This to me highlights the need to learn a few basic skills in grappling so you can do somthing when your there, even if its to throw them down or use them as a shield from the others.

[littlebird]

I admire Royce Gracie very much.
His explosion on the fighting scene in UFC 93 was an amazing thing.

Now I say this. His techniques which destroyed all comers for two plus years would fail in the face of two adversaries of less skill than he faced in the UFC IF they coordinated any at all, and maybe even if they didn't.

But that is in the ring!

Royce is a great athlete. If he was not in the ring. If he adapted to the street, or bar, or jungle, or hillside and kept his back to a wall or post and used poles,cars, stools, the bar, whatever to enable him to bring his honed fighting skills, his strength and reflexes, his determination to bear on his opponents one at a time for brief moments while the 2nd opponent was not able to reach him because of a calculated move by Royce, then he would be able to handle them and more of them.

The point is though that the methods that made him world champion would not avail at all.
He would have to become "something else."

Personally I think he could. I think he could adapt much quicker than many other fighters of the striking or body tossing variety.

Now another great athlete in some of the other sports say striking, or aikido and the like might be able to adapt more quickly and easily to the multiple oppoent situation, and be able to handle more fighters at a higher level perhaps.

littlebird

[47Ronin]

My friend from the 7th grade said something funny to me-

I can run so fast I don't need to fight. Even if Diablo was chasing me who wouldnt be able to keep up......then again he would be slipping all over my crap.... :D

[Trent Tiemeyer]

If you can't effectively handle one opponent, two or more is wishful thinking. It's like learning a spinning hook kick before you learn a basic roundhouse. Solid basics, baby.

Grappling doesn't mean you have to take your opponent down. It also means you can defend against grabs, tackles, and anything else your attacker(s) throw at you.

(And I learned to fight because I am a terrible runner. In High School football, the only one I could outrun on the team was the fat kid.):)

[RobP]

For multiple opponenets you need something that stresses good mobility, fluid attacks, the ability to take hits and how to use any items around you. Anything that stresses a strong but immobile stance may not be so useful.

[Jim]

Multiple attackers? Training, training and, oh yeah, training. Senario training is useful so you can practice different levels and get used to making the principals a part of you.

What Trent said earlier re: taking out one and making such a horrible example of him can be worthwhile, but again it depends on the morale/motivation that the others have to beat all nine colours outta you. My only addition to that is not to take out the leader necessarily, just pick the weakest so you know that you can give them some serious trauma without getting 'bogged down' while the others take peices out of you.

[snailfist]

Ju-jitsu is a great art for making an example- wheras a striking art may concuss the guy, JJ practitioners have locks that break bones and chokes to black him out but make him gag first. Also, seeing the man thrown over your head will have a psychological effect on them thorugh spectacle. This psychology is helped by the unusual and distinctive nature of these techniques- strikes are the only techniques used in 90% of fights, maybe with the exception of front strangles, but it isn't every day you come across tsasae-tsuri-komi-ashi (spelt?) down your local.

That being said, the issue with making an example of him is one of leaving yourself vulnerable to the rest. These techniques often take longer to execute than your average jab, which gives the other agressors a window of oppurtunity.

Also, some techniques are inadvisable as they are sacrificial- i.e they leave you on the ground. A technique too advanced for my feeble yellow belt self that is I think called sumi-gaheshi (force his head down, apply a choke against your front and sit back throwing him over your head whilst maintaining the choke) may well scare the hell out of them, particularly when they see the look on the victim's face at the other end, but when one of them stands on your prone vitals as your busy yourself with the choke this fear will rapidly diminish. :D