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Thomas
05-Oct-2005, 06:52 PM
Greetings!
I know there are some Hankido practitioners out here and I am wondering how the grading system is set up (geup and dan ranks), and what is usually taught at each level and how it is tested. Please give lots of details if possible.


Thank you! (by the way, I like this site a lot www.sangmookwan.com)

Sahbunim
05-Oct-2005, 11:59 PM
Sorry I thought it was for Hapkido not Hankido. But here it is anyway.

8th Kup White Basic Blocks, Fist Strikes, Kicks, Falls (basic orientation to having your head traveling towards the ground ) & Self defence is the concept of circles which focus's releases from grabs. 20 Lessons

7th Kup Orange Axe Hand strikes, basic kicks, Introductions for falls from being thrown & Self Defence is concepts we call armbar over & hand attacks (finger peels & small joint compresions). 30 Lessons

6th Kup Yellow Elbow Strikes, Kicks and kicking motions, intermediate fallilng, Self Defence is concepts of armbar under, basic pressure points & what we the lock we call s-lock.40 Lessons

5th Kup Green Strikes, Kicks with intro to jump kicks, a fall which we call turnside fall basically the fall from any sort of joint locking throw, Self Defence is the concepts of v-lock and basic balance breaks. 40 Lessons

4th Kup Blue Stikes incoperating spinning strikes, Kicks low range kicks and intro to spinning kicks, no hands roll, self defence is arresting techniques and more pressure points, intro to flowing locking combinations and intro to multiple falls. 50 Lessons

3rd kup Brown Rolling strikes, kicking combinations, Multiple falling drills, self defence is kick defence & intermediate throwing. 50 Lessons

2nd Kup Red Multiple falling drills, flowing locking combintations, ground locks & weapon defence. 60 Lessons

1st Kup Provisional Black Belt (Half red half Black) Revision of all prev belt level techniques & defence from a grounded position. 60 Lessons

1st Degree, 25 variation techniques, short stick, throw defence & amplified locks. Essay. 100 Lessons and a minimum of 1 year, and they have to log specific Black Belt training hours.

2nd Degree 50 variation techniques, Cane techniques, 1 handed techniques & a concept we call offensive defence.Essay. 200 Lessons and a minimum of 2 year, and they have to log specific Black Belt training hours.

3rd Degree 75 variations, reversals & joint destruction. Essay. 300 Lessons and a minimum of 1 year, and they have to log specific Black Belt training hours. Minimum of 10 years in Hapkido and when I went through my grading you had to teach a weeks fulltime training covering every colour belt technique.

Is this what you are after?

John

Thomas
06-Oct-2005, 01:42 PM
That's really nice and well detailed... makes for great reading. Thank you.

I would like to see something along these lines for Hankido if anyone knows...
:)

JimH
06-Oct-2005, 03:21 PM
I am curious as to why so many arts today include an ESSAY in the promotions.

What are the Essays about?

The students desires in the arts?

A specific research goal about the art?

What do the written papers accomplish?

Are there a specified number of words required per paper?

Could this not be done as a circle or verbal exchange amongst the instructors and those to be promoted?

I am just at a loss as to the need in recent years to this aspect of promotions.

JimH
06-Oct-2005, 03:24 PM
Thomas,
Is the DVD sold on the site you posted here the same DVD you spoke of (that you purchased and enjoyed),about Hankido,on another thread?

Thank You for any help.

Slindsay
06-Oct-2005, 03:54 PM
Is it me or was the clip on the right of the web site showing Aikido techniques.

Thomas
06-Oct-2005, 04:10 PM
Thomas,
Is the DVD sold on the site you posted here the same DVD you spoke of (that you purchased and enjoyed),about Hankido,on another thread?

Thank You for any help.
Yes it is... and worth every penny!

Is it me or was the clip on the right of the web site showing Aikido techniques.

Hey! Good eyes. Actually the whole basis of Hankido (in a nutshell) was cross exploration and developement between Hapkido and Aikido... looking for a middle path that would borrow from both arts. Having learned Hapkido and a bit of Hankido and experiencing a bit of Aikido, I can say that in my opinion, "Hankido" really hits a neat middle ground and is a fascinating thing to check out.

You can take a look at some of the other video clips there and at http://www.ushankido.org/index.php?mode=movie

JimH
06-Oct-2005, 08:40 PM
Thomas,
Thank you for the response and thank you for the site with the video clips.
The clips definately show the major Aikido influences.

JimH
06-Oct-2005, 11:16 PM
Thomas,
I placed my order ,Thank You for your help and input.

Since you have some experience in it ,perhaps if there is time at the clinic next week we could discuss it.(I anticipate having it and seeing it by then,fingers crossed,lol)

Sahbunim
07-Oct-2005, 12:52 AM
Hi JimH

Well the 3rd Degree one is Hapkido and my role as an instructor. The essay for 1 Kup's to grade is What does black belt mean to me? it is the same for 1st and 2nd Degree's.

It is the same for those three belts because the grading panel compares them to see progression and maturity in their development.

My 4th Degree essay is What does Master mean to me.

Why do we have them? Well now more than ever I think, with the great diversity of people we have comming through the ranks, we have people who can communicate really well orally and those who communicate through the written word.

The people still have to sit a grading panel question and answer time.

John

JimH
07-Oct-2005, 03:13 AM
Sahbunim,
I thank you for taking the time to answer my question.

I have seen several posts that speak of the student doing an essay, and I wondered what that consists of.

Now I know,so again Thank You

klaasb
07-Oct-2005, 01:06 PM
Grading in Hankido.

There isn't a set of rules that I know of, and I think it is a good thing :)

Grading is more done a long these lines:
1st dan - you know the techniques and can perform them in a standard manner. Circle is important.
2nd dan - you have some knowledge of the inner workings of a technique. Unbalancing is done right. Flow starts to emerge.
3rd dan - You have good understanding of unbalancing, flow, your circles get smaller you can play naturally with the techniques.
4th dan - An improved understanding of the principles of circle, flow and harmony.

klaasb
07-Oct-2005, 01:09 PM
By the way, want to see more movies of hankido in action??
Go to http://www.hapkido.nl/index.php?mode=movie

I recently uploaded a few movies of kuksa Myung Jae Nam-nim demonstrating hankido in 1986 during a visit to the Netherlands.

Thomas
07-Oct-2005, 01:48 PM
Grading in Hankido.

There isn't a set of rules that I know of, and I think it is a good thing :)

Grading is more done a long these lines:
1st dan - you know the techniques and can perform them in a standard manner. Circle is important.
2nd dan - you have some knowledge of the inner workings of a technique. Unbalancing is done right. Flow starts to emerge.
3rd dan - You have good understanding of unbalancing, flow, your circles get smaller you can play naturally with the techniques.
4th dan - An improved understanding of the principles of circle, flow and harmony.

Thank you. I was curious because when I studied it, we never discussed ranking before 1st dan. We practiced fairly often and really enjoyed it. Eventually my master asked my if I wanted to prepare for the 1st dan test, and I (silly me) was more into Hapkido at the time and chose to focus on Hapkido. As I get older and experience more, I really want to look more into depth of what GM Myung Jae-nam was "getting up to" in his studies. So simple on the outside but so many different implications to Hapkido, Aikido, Life, the universe and everything!

Hopefully as time goes on, i will get a chance to learn more and experience more in Hankido, especially I'd love to go to the school and do a stay there for a while (www.sangmookwan.com). Looks awesome!
By the way, want to see more movies of hankido in action??
Go to http://www.hapkido.nl/index.php?mode=movie

I recently uploaded a few movies of kuksa Myung Jae Nam-nim demonstrating hankido in 1986 during a visit to the Netherlands.
I checked some of them out.... really cool! Thanks!

Martial One
21-Oct-2005, 03:12 AM
I am curious as to why so many arts today include an ESSAY in the promotions.

What are the Essays about?

The students desires in the arts?

A specific research goal about the art?

What do the written papers accomplish?

Are there a specified number of words required per paper?

Could this not be done as a circle or verbal exchange amongst the instructors and those to be promoted?

I am just at a loss as to the need in recent years to this aspect of promotions.

To demonstrate an understanding of the concepts of the art. Of coarse there are the McDojo's out there that "teach" techniques alone, poorly executed ones at that.

JimH
21-Oct-2005, 03:59 AM
The understanding of the concepts of the art should be part of the teachings to the students from day one.

If the teacher does his job the students undertsand,know and implement these concepts they should not have to write about it.

Producing an essay has become an in thing of late,it was not always this way and is not a widely practised requirement at this time.

Imagine the older Koreans who could not speak English,no less read it asking for an essay,you hardly learned concepts,you learned by watching in most cases and you just learned techniques.

Bong Soo Han says most of his early training was done with out a word,they were shown a technique once and left to figure it out and until they did it right they did not learn another.

Most of these essay requirements are put into place by American Masters who believe that as teachers it is their place to help kids develop an ability and requirement to write as well as perform physical tasks.(this has spread from kids to all students including adults)

I can see sahbunims point of why I want to be or what I expect from this rank,but I know of schools now that have people do research projects and have to produce 20 page reports on the art or an aspect of the art.
(this should have been taught by the instructor,not looked for on the web or at the library)

klaasb
07-Nov-2005, 01:59 AM
The same topic (started by the same person ;)) can be found at hapkidoforum.com
Interested in reading the 'long answer'..??

Click: http://www.sangmukwan.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=119